The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd-HOUR-2-Belichick vs Brady, Charles Robinson

Episode Date: September 1, 2020

Doug explains why he believes that Gisele Bundchen is the alpha in the relationship between her and Tom Brady, and how that may have affected the relationship between him and Bill Belichick. Also Doug draws a comparison between President Trump and Bill Belichick, they both never changed. Charles Robinson joins the show to talk NFL Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday from 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeartRadio app by searching Heard. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. What up? Welcome in. This is The Herd, wherever you may be in. However you may be making this part of your day, thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. Man, we got a great show. You know, here's what happens in National Sports Radio. We get together, six in the morning or so on the West Coast, 9 in the morning or so on the East Coast. And Ryan Music comes in. He's got a stack of papers. And we just kind of start going through stories like, is that good enough? Is that good enough? Because we now only hold our own show, the Doug Gottlieb show, which follows this show on most Fox Sports Radio stations, your iHeart radio app. You can download that podcast as well.

But obviously we have great respect for Uncle Colin, his show, and, you know, the topics that resonate. And it's amazing. Ryan asked me, he's like, hey, have you heard this book, The Dynasty by Jeff Benedict? I was like, it's funny. Colin called me about it last night. We were sitting around talking.

And he's like, man, it's a fact. fascinating read. So it kind of started pulling through it. And this is an excerpt from it. Excerp. The friction between Brady and Belichick. And trust me, when I, when I get to this, you'd be like, okay, I kind of see it. Like, Bill Belichick, to me, has never changed. Never changed. And it's fascinating. You know, Donald Trump is back in the news in sports, because earlier in the day he reached out to the commissioner of the Big Ten in an effort to put himself in the story and as he has come out and said,

try and get college football back. The Big Ten just released a statement saying they did speak with the president yesterday. So this is all fact. This has in fact happened. I think Trump and Belichick are one and the same. I'll show you why here in a second. Let me read this excerpt. Doug Gottlie been for Colin.

So the friction between Brady and Belichick that simmered throughout the 2017, 2017, after the Patriots' historic Super Bowl win over Atlanta, came to a head in the weeks following the Super Bowl loss, right? The loss to the Eagles, right? Jeff Benedict's book is called The Dynasty. Benedict writes, Kraft's paramount concern after the Super Bowl was the dynamic between Belichick and Brady. Belichick's decision to banish Alex Guerrero from the sideline and the team playing in the middle of the 2017 season had been the tipping point. Kraft knew that Belichick's methods were grinding on Brady.

He also knew that Belichick was tired of the exceptions, excuse me, exceptions that Kraft felt were necessary to accommodate a transatlantic. transcendent star. The differences of opinion between Brady and Belichick were more pronounced than ever. Kraft wanted to clear the air. Soon after, soon after, Kraft summoned Brady and Giselle Bundyden to his home for discussion, and Bungeden took up for Brady. She also pointed out how ridiculous it was after these years that Belichick still treated Brady like effing Johnny Foxborough. It was bad enough to never voice approval. It was BS to still be dressed down. to still dress down the most accomplished quarterback in league history during team meetings

and treating his personal trainer and best friend like some kind of outcast. By the way, yes, Giselle Bunchton is the Yoko Ono to this story. She is. By my estimation, Giselle Bunchton is toxic, and that's the toxicity led to the breakup of Belichick and Brady. And look, anybody who's been married understands that there are times when she, the woman can become the alpha in the relationship. Remember, Brady, and he was, he was respected for saying this, and many people still do.

Truly respect him for saying, like, hey, I had to check myself a couple years ago. Giselle came to me and said, I wasn't, he wrote me this letter and what I wasn't doing. Keep in mind, Giselle Bungdon is an amazing businesswoman. she is financially the most successful supermodel in the history of the world. But supermodels expect to be treated like supermodels. And she expects her Super Bowl champion six-time over husband to be treated like a supermodel. But that's not how the Patriots worked. That's not the secret to the sauce.

She doesn't get it. Which is fine. You don't have to get it. You don't. You don't have to get how his job works. How his team works. What you can't do is put your own feelings and thoughts because of your own business and how that works into his mind, into his life.

There's the toxicity. And oh yeah, by the way, Alex Guerrero, come on, man. The mistake wasn't getting rid of Alex Guerrero from the sideline. It was probably in the handling of it. And in the fact that why was he in the sideline to begin with? Who gave into that acquiesce? Who acquiesced to that to begin with? That's the mistake.

But here's the thing about Belichick. Bill Belichick has never changed. Never changed. He's the same guy. Success has not altered him at all. Not a little bit. He was a defensive coordinator winning Super Bowls with the New York Giants. He became a coach with the Cleveland Browns to he, I'm sure if you asked him,

I'm the same guy. I've learned some. I've made some different mistakes or whatever. But people don't change when they're in their 40s and 50s. and 60s. It changed in their 20s and 30s, especially when they get some success. That's what happened to Tom Brady.

Brady changed. Or maybe he didn't change, but his wife's feelings and his probably complaining when he went home. Like, who doesn't say that, right? Who doesn't come home and goes, my boss doesn't appreciate me? Dude, he yelled at me today. And, like, look, the language of a locker room is so different

than real world. I call them civilians. it's a lot like the Montres-Herald non-traversy. Colin, you know, Colin Luca Donchick, a B-A white boy, right? Like, this trash talk. Anybody who's ever played basketball, especially as a white guy,

has been called something like that. It ain't racist, it's just trash talk. And if you can't deal with it, you're probably not a basketball player or an athlete to begin with. The reason the Patriots worked was because he got dressed down. He gets all the advertisements. He gets all the adulation. You can tell me all this crap about Tom Brady being underpaid.

You know, he made like $250 million off the Patriots? They moved money around. There was a time in which he was the top paid guy in the league or in the top five. And all they do is they moved money around. But the reason it worked was because he would take less and then they push it back and push it back and push it back. And he did it for 20 years. That's why it worked because he wasn't selfish. because he was willing to be dressed down in a locker room,

because he was just like any other guy. That's the secret to the Patriot sauce. And it worked until Giselle got involved. And Alex Guerrero got involved. And you're only playing great because you eat avocado ice cream. And Robert Kraft got involved. They all changed Brady. Belichick, same guy.

It's funny. I'm one of these people. I've always kind of been a centrist. of a left-leaning centrist, right? And I feel like a lot of the country is economically where we lean a little bit more right. Socially, we lean more left, but you watch on TV and you're pushed

to these far reaches left and right. And now the left is trying to be exclusive, which the right has always done. I'm sitting here in the middle of like, man, I feel like I'm on an island, but I'm not. I think that's how many of you are. We don't have to disclose. I'll just tell you,

I did not vote for President Trump. will not vote for him again, but I do respect this. He has not changed. Oh, he's a bully. When was he not a bully? He had a TV show where his catchphrase, his favorite line was, If I had.

Right? I can't believe how many people he's going through at the White House. You can't? Did you watch a TV show? Do you know anything about his personal life? He took pride, not just in publicly firing them, but in humiliating them, in pointing out their flaws.

That's who he is. Well, he's dishonest. Do you know anything about him? But I will also tell you this. The things he said he was going to do four years ago when many people in the media, on one hand laughed at him. In another hand, they put him on every news show.

He's done. Can't close down the borders too. He did. He can't build up. He is. The tax cuts. He did it. Right?

Like, he just, just going to do, he's going to be Trump. Yeah, he goes off prompter, he says things that, you're like, what? That's what he's always, that has never changed. He has not changed, like, yeah, he kind of became religious, whatever,

but, I mean, that's politics. I mean, he's always been a bit of a liar or chameleon in the, yeah, I could, you know, that's what people in sales and business sometimes can be. Okay.

The hair didn't change when he got there. The suits didn't change when he got there. The persona didn't change when he got there. That's the same. That's Bill Belichick. That's Bill Belichick. A lot of people say they treat everybody the same. Bill Belichick actually does what he says he's going to do.

A lot of coaches say, hey, man, we're just going to try and win each game. but they don't. They get caught up in the, we're a 4-3 team, we're a 3-4 team, we're a throwing team, we're a running team. We got to make sure this guy gets his touch. It's like, Bill Belichick, just like, all right, how do we win this game?

Let's figure it out. Run the ball, 45 times. The filming of, did they film practice? Do they not film practice? Like, by my estimation, everybody I've talked to within that organization and football believes that the Patriots, they don't necessarily break the rules.

They just know exactly what the rules are and push right up. try and push right up to that, to that limit, whatever that gray area is. That's what they've always done. Like, why did DeflateGateGate happen? Do you guys remember? They played the Ravens in the playoffs the week before. They used some tackle eligible to fool the Ravens.

They go into the locker room. They interview Tom Brady, and Tom Brady says, arrogantly, but correctly, they need to read the rule book. Because that's what the Patriots do. They read and know the rulebook and know every little trick in the trade that you can get away with. The Ravens get pissed. You know, you have the head coach of the Colts, happened to be a former assistant with the Ravens, and the Colts just happen to be the team that calls the league that says,

hey, you should check the footballs for the game. And I'm sure whatever they did to the footballs, they've been doing it for years. Doesn't actually matter, by the way. It took the air of the footballs at halftime, and Brady played better. and I'm sure they know when they test the football is that when you can take air out of them and they've done it the same way for probably

10 years before that they know the gray areas of it and where you can where you can do what you can do they've never changed what changed what changed was Brady had to suddenly have his guy around all the time and his wife's making demands and he and and the owner is

hey we got to treat Tom Brady like he's special Bill Belich looks like we don't do that that's not who we are it's not the patriot way That's not how we've won for 20 years in a league which takes pride in the fact that half the teams that make the playoffs don't make the playoffs the next year. The outlier to that was the New England Patriots. Why? Because their quarterback took less in terms of money and took more in terms of coaching and at sometimes being dressed down by his coaching staff in front of his team. They were different because they were the same and they never changed.

And you may take away from this excerpt saying, Belichick was a jerk. Why didn't he acquiesce the Thomas, Tom Brady? But it worked. And if something works all the time, why would you change? It's the opposite, right? What's the definition of insanity? Doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a different result?

What if you do the same thing over and over again? you do the same thing over and over again, and you get a positive result. Literally, every year, it seemed like the AFC championship game was in Foxborough in some sort of terrible weather condition, right? Like, how many times if I watched this game? It was either the Ravens or the Colts or maybe the Broncos against the page. It's like every year, it's like, man, this is like flipper reruns. You keep doing the same thing overall game.

You get the same results. The one that changed was Tom Brady. Not Belgium. All right, we got a lot to get to. Charles Robinson's going to join us. Yahoo Sports Insider. Get his thoughts on Brady, Belichick, the book. And will Leonard Furnett land a job?

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Doug Gileven for Colin, this is The Hurd. This guy has a podcast and it's a good one. He's a Yahoo Sports NFL insider. We are a week and two days from NFL football being played. Like, wow, that snuck up on you, right? Yeah, it's September NFL football. Like, man, what happened? No Hall of Fame game, right?

Remember the Hall of Fame game? You know, no Hall of Fame induction ceremony. No preseason games. We do have some preseason injuries. we'll get to. Let's catch up with Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports NFL insider. He joins us. Just kind of a bizarre lead-up, right? Like this, everybody will be excited when it's back on TV, but how would you kind of contextualize for a guy who's covered it as long as you have what it's like to cover the league this year when there's no preseason games and there's nothing

tangible to see before next Thursday night? Oh, it's going to be messy. I mean, it's a lot of the aspects of the remaining, you know, 10 days to two weeks now before we get to, well, shoot, not even 10 days. I mean, a week from Thursday is the kickoff. You talk to teams right now, and they're kind of scrambling to figure out how we're going to offload guys and maybe onload guys. Like, nobody has any clue who's going to be available. Like, that's the really interesting thing is when you, when you talk to different teams,

they ask you, like, hey, you know, what do you hear it? Like, who's going to be expendable from some of the. these teams. The Riley Reef stuff is coming out of left field for a number of teams that could use offensive line depth. All of a sudden, you know, you're getting text where teams are like, yo, is Minnesota seriously thinking about cutting Riley Reef. You know, it's, it's, I think procedurally it's going to be messy just because, you know, teams have to think about COVID and the process of bringing guys on if they're going to bring people from other franchises. But then what's interesting to me is when you talk to teams about what they expect for the actual kickoff in the games,

everybody thinks it's going to be really bad football to start. Like it's going to be really sloppy. A lot of really bad offensive football. I would expect fans, you know, like don't expect this to be the seamless humming thing week one. You mentioned Riley Reeve, of course, left tackle, Minnesota Vikings. They go out and get Yonik and Gokwe to take a $6 million haircut. They're going to make that. But they are in cap hell.

They're trying to pay their running back. They're trying to keep their defense together. a new defensive backfield, and they're like, look, you got to restructure your contract where they might cut him. What is the status of that? Well, I mean, I don't think at this point he's inclined to take the haircut. You know, as I said, there are a number of teams that are looking for, you know, frankly, starting offensive tackles and offensive tackle depth. And, I mean, he would slot in as a starter somewhere. the one thing that, you know, I think could motivate a restructuring on his part is teams are not, like, rushing out to spend money right now.

I mean, there's a reason why, like, Leonard Fournett, zero interest in picking up the $4 million on his contract, Judeaubian County, zero interest in paying that guy, I think even North like $12 million. You know, Logan Ryan was a sweetheart one-year deal for $7.5 million. dollars finally comes off the free agent market to the new york giant it just teams are not looking to add salary and you know i've heard for example like the jets you know joe douglas the general manager there you know i've heard that he's on sort of a financial pitch account i don't think if you know if that is legitimate and i think there is some legitimacy to it i don't think he's alone i think there's a number of teams that are staring at hey we we thought we would at least get some fans in you know maybe 50% of fans in and now they're sitting there going we're not getting

any fans in and we're going to take this revenue hit and are just not inclined to spend a bunch of money on a player who has not been in the building at all, has not gone through any of their processes, has not been in for the 14 padded practices. It's going to depress the market a little bit. And I could see Riley Reef sitting there and going, am I really going to do financially better anywhere else? Maybe my best move is to take the haircut here and try to figure it out after the season. Yeah, or see if you can get some money later down the road, right? Take less down and see if you can get some security a little bit later. Charles Robinson joining us, Yahoo Sports NFL Insider.

Then you got Earl Thomas, who the Ravens, you talk about a financial pitch count, they wanted him out of their building so badly that they're willing to take a huge financial hit because the players, the players themselves had spoken. Does Dallas touch him? Like he wants to be a cowboy. They could use him. They could probably get really good financial terms, but is he so toxic they won't bring him in? It's complicated because, you know, I think,

you see Jerry Jones what's interesting right now is he's leaning into a lot of what Mike McCarthy wants. And what's interesting is when you go to their scrimmage, which was televised, you know, no numbers on players. The television broadcasts, they didn't show anything. I mean, it was like sideline shots, it's tight shots of some plays, things like that. But zero information out there at all, which frankly, to be honest, is not Jerry Jones style. You know, like he wants his team on display. He wants the numbers, all this different stuff. So to me, that's definitely a Mike McCarthy driving the bus kind of moment where you're like,

wow, you know, clearly the franchise is listening to Mike McCarthy wanting to obfuscate a lot of information. Well, I also know that Mike McCarthy really, really wants the locker room to be right where it needs to be in terms of the mentality, the culture, the guys that are in there. And, you know, he said that before. Like, look, the locker room is very important to us and how people fit in the locker room is very important to us. One of Mike McCarthy's best friends in the world is John Schneider, the general manager of the Seattle Seahawks.

Earl Thomas, it was not always a great situation with Earl Thomas in Seattle. Remember, Earl Thomas never a team captain in Seattle, despite being one of the best coverage safeties in the NFL, a superstar there, young superstar, and yet never a team captain. They had, you know, their financial ups and downs with him, but I guarantee you, Mike McCarthy and John Schneider have had conversations about what Earl Thomas would be like in the Dallas Cowboys Locker Room. So I think part of Jerry Jones being completely ambiguous right now about whether they're even considering him is because, you know, it may not be clean in terms of how the organization feels about him across the board. And I was told flat out, like, look, if this comes

down to money and he's a cheap signing, that's probably a Jerry signing. You know, that's Jerry saying, look, I'm just going to do this. The money is to where, you know, it's not a ton of risk. And he could be a better player for us, but it may take really budding right up against the season to figuring out whether or not he's willing to take that risk. Who starts in Chicago? Wow, that's a good question. Look, I still think. They have to start the kid.

I mean, they got to start too risky because if they start, if they start Foles, he's done, whereas Foles will be fine coming off the bench. But it's kind of weird. Like, Nagy said it, and Foles is like better coming off the bench, right? Like, he's like, do you remember Derek Anderson from, uh, uh, uh, Oregon State, right, started for the Browns. Yeah, Cleveland. He went to Carolina.

Yeah, but remember that one year that he got to start for the Browns, like on late... Oh, it's great. He was good. Yeah. He got paid. Like, I feel like that's where Foles is best. He's such a good dude. He knows the system so well.

It can be mentor and then maybe come in and start. But you would think, but Nagy went from, I'm not going to name a starter to I'll name a starter next week. It almost feels like he's compelled to do something. And the fact that he hasn't already named Tribisky, The starter is weird to me. Well, it's definitely, it's troubling. But, I mean, at the same time, maybe he doesn't want to remove competition. You know, I mean, in that situation, I don't think you want to just, A, send a message to the fan base to, hey, we're completely okay with, you know, what Mitch Trubisky represented on the field last year.

Like, we're still keeping pressure on him, you know, to produce. You know, I think one thing you touch on, it's absolutely true. if you think of it just from a mentality standpoint, Fulth has been in that situation where, hey, he's the backup, you know, be ready, man. Like, you could be the starter by week two, week four, whatever, and flourished in that. He's been down that road.

And if you've ever talked to Fulth, he's the kind of guy that can handle that, no problem. I think, as you said, if you reverse it and you, and Tribiski's the backup, there's a mental hit that gets taken there. And there's a lot of the media that, you know, kind of comes down on him. And, you know, it's, I think there's also that,

of if you roll Foles out there and it doesn't work and then you switch to Trubisky and it doesn't work, your season's over. Like you're done. That's it. Like there's no, I think there's a way to, you know, start with Trubisky. If it's not working, you go to Fools. If he's hot, great. If he doesn't

work out, you say we're going to give Mitch one more shot. Like this is it. Like this is our last shot. Sure. You know, with Mitch. Whereas I think if you reverse that, if you go through Foles first and then Trubisky, your season's pretty much toast. Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Yahoo! Sports NFL Insider join me. Doug Gottliebin for Colin. This is the heard, I don't hate saying I told you so. I love saying I told you so. Jordan Love was somebody

who's described to me as a year away from being a year away, right? And the whole world freaked out and Aaron Rogers was depressed and drank a bunch tequila because they drafted a quarterback. They moved up for a quarterback who's probably three years away from being, you know, from being ready. And turns out that's how he looks. Like he's at best their third best quarterback in camp. He did have a nice little end of his scrimmage, but he was wildly inaccurate. Has his performance or lack there of

quality performance changed any of the feelings in Greenback? I, you know, I think it's more about the absence of another piece for Aaron Rogers. I mean, here's the thing. The way Rogers looked at it is that guy's not taking my job.

Like, this is my job this year. I'm not in front of the way Rogers is looking at. As long as I want to be here, he's not taking my job. And that was, frankly, the conversation you had with Brett Farr was, you know, look, man, I'm, I'm, I'm good. Like, I'm going to endure here and he's going to stay on the bench and I'll keep him on the bench. I think the feelings that will be problematic is when they go out there, the skill position issues, you know, Devin Funches obviously not going to be there. I kind of thought he was a weak attempt anyway, you know, to try and, you know, solidify some options for

Aaron Rogers. And, you know, if they struggle offensively, as they did last year, particularly an NFC title game, the question is going to be, well, okay, well, Jordan loves not even really the backup now. If he's a third string guy, if he's really a developmental a couple years away guy, this seems like a pretty big mistake. You know, this seems like to have taken something off the table for Rogers and now have invested a first round pick and a quarterback that's going to take a couple years of developing, that's going to end up, you know, being the storyline.

As you said, Love did have a good day in the scrimmage. You know, that was probably the best. he's played in the preseason. But yeah, I mean, he was a guy who, when you talk to people, the natural tools were there, you know, but there was a lot of erratic play. And people were like, is it because he doesn't have good players around him? Which I don't think he did. You know, he did not have NFL caliber players at Utah State.

Sure. But, no, I mean, there's going to be a ton of develop left there. It's all about just taking that piece away from Rogers and how that's going to manifest. Yeah, it's interesting. If he's a mistake, I don't know if you're familiar with the name Abe Lemmon's former coach of Texas, legendary, like, quote machine. His famous quote was, like, doctors bury their mistakes.

We got ours on scholarship, right? That's, that's what it, in the football, it's doctors bury their mistakes. We have ours in ball caps, calling in plays on the sidelines. Holding clipboards. Holding clipboards. Charles Robinson joining us,

Yahoo Sports NFL Insetter. I don't know if you've read the book yet. Coward has the book. I've read excerpts from the book. It's called The Dynasty by Jeff Benedict. Yeah. Okay. So it talks about...

No, I haven't read it. I know the book, though. I know what you're talking about. Okay. So a portion of the excerpts talks about how, like, look, Robert Kraft, he was concerned the dynamic between Belichick and Brady because Belichick got rid of Alex Guerrero from the sideline, his little office. And, you know, and then there's difference of opinion in terms of how they treat him. And then, Giselle Bunged in, apparently in some meeting was, you know, didn't like... that he was dressed down continually in meetings.

My assessment is this is who Belichick is, has always been, will always be, and what he believes is the secret to their success. And it's Brady that's change or the people around him that have demanded that he's treated better. And that's what led to the breakup of the relationship. Is that a fair way of looking at it? Well, yeah, I mean, I think the success changed the scenario. You know, I think the success changed part of the dynamic for, Brady. You know, I did Brady change? Sure, but I mean, do players change once they've had,

you know, a certain amount of success and then expect, you know, maybe more consideration from the coaching staff that they wouldn't get as younger players, you know. So I think that was part of it. You know, I think something lost in all this was definitely Giselle. And I think that came out in, in Tom versus Time, you know, the Facebook kind of documentary on him. She made some pretty candid comments that I thought were pretty clear. And, and again, again, Brady had final cut on that. So for those to go in, to me, those were tacitly, basically, Tom Brady's statements. So when she says, I think it was really in the last episode, she's like, you know,

hey, he would just like to know, like he's appreciated every day and enjoy himself and come in, you know, like, I'm like, this is Tom talking right now. I don't think it. I don't think it is. I think she's the alpha in the relationship, you know? Remember when they lost to the Giants. My husband cannot catch the passes by himself. Right? Do you remember that? Like that of the cell phone like look she's just she's a really really

successful businesswoman and she is also a supermodel they're demanding like I I you know I think you know even even and I understand that it does he allowed that to be and he also said you know she wrote me this letter about how I had to change and I did I did in fact change whereas there's a lot of guys have been like look I'm a football player I've been successful I don't ask you about modeling why are you telling me how to do my, how to be me in football, right? And she's like, well, it's more about a relationship at home. She's got a little, there's a little yokeau going on there. Oh, I don't, I mean, I don't doubt that she's commanding in the relationship.

But, you know, I mean, I, look, I can just tell you from being around, you know, that Tom and the spare few times I have been, but knowing a lot of people that Tom knows, knowing a lot of the text message threads that he's a part of with a lot of teammates, you know, Tom has expressed, you know, something he's feeling so. No question. you know, himself. But yeah, I mean, look, who do you go home to? And who do you vent to your wife?

And so I'm sure that's a little bit of an echo chamber there. She probably repeats a lot of what gets said, what ends up being said behind closed doors. Yeah. Ross Tucker doesn't believe that the chiefs will be a dynasty, mostly because he believes to be a dynasty, you had to win back-to-back championships. And it really hasn't been done in 16 years.

You know, it's only been done 13 times, three times ever. It's very difficult to do. I offer up that if you look at Andy Reid, he essentially had a dynasty in Philadelphia. Maybe they only went to one Super Bowl, but you go to four straight NFC championship games and win one of them, and you do so with Donovan McNabb, who's a good quarterback, but he ain't Pat Mahomes. Right. I feel like it's not just that they have the makings of a dynasty. It's that you have a coach who's had his own kind of mini dynasty before giving you a sense of he knows.

You know, the trappings of that fame, what's your thoughts on the likelihood that the chiefs are a dynasty and here to stay? Well, I think, you know, a lot of their pieces, but let's get two or three years into the dynasty and see what happens. I mean, part of what sustained the Patriots was they figured out how to swap out a lot of different guys, whereas what disassembles most dynasties in the NFL is when you start to lose key players or their injuries to guys who are in your top five in terms of, you know, paid salary. Chris Jones goes down. That's a dramatic impact on the defense, and suddenly you don't have the money to pay, excuse me, other guys. So I don't think Mahomes is going to be a problem.

I just think, you know, look, they're going to get poached, and this is going to come down to your personnel department. The one thing the Patriots did really well over the years is taking a lot of shots at draft picks, missing on a lot of guys, but also finding a lot of guys, both through pro-personnel and then also the draft who fit little niches. And they were able to... And they're, I'm sorry to interrupt.

they're the best at the waiver wire pickups. Like there's just, they were okay at the draft, unbelievable at picking up guys in the waiver wire. This time of year, which, as you pointed out, this is so different than any other previous year in terms of who's going to be on the waiver wire and when they're going to appear there. I mean, that's a huge part of an organization.

But I mean, that's why top to bottom, you know, that's often the sifting point for a lot of organizations is just, you know, what happens personnel-wise, top-to-bottom, and then the roles you can get your players to agree to step in. to that maybe they wouldn't elsewhere. Give me a team that you believe is going to be very good this year that not enough people are talking about.

Good. You know, I think maybe one that people, I think Detroit, honestly, has a shot to be a pretty decent team. I mean, when you look at their roster, you look at their too deep, they're probably better than people realize. I think it just comes down to whether or not Matt Patricia, you know, things have quelled a little bit with some of the players in the locker room. I think if guys are healthy, you know, Detroit actually has more talent than maybe people realize, you know, T.J. Hawkinson, I think, has a chance

to take a big step forward. You know, the running back position is actually pretty, you know, strong. You know, the division, you know, the division, I think, the Packers won a lot of games that were close last year. There's a chance they could take a step back. The Bears are the Bears. You know, the Vikings are still trying to figure out salary-wise what they can do with some of the, you know, injuries and the reef. So, you know, I think the Lions could be a little bit better. But again, I think it comes down to Patricia's relationship with his players. But as you saw, the players called the cancellation of practice.

And that's the first time that's happened there. So maybe there's a little more solidarity there inside the locker room and their husband in the past. Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports NFL Insider, check out his podcast. Follow him on social media. Read his work in Yahoo. com. Charles, great stuff. Season's almost here.

Thanks so much for joining us. Yes, sir. Thanks for me, Doug. Take care, man. Let's get you to rhyme music with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Great stuff with Charles Robinson there, Doug, and we'll continue with some NFL. I don't know, Doug, if you were aware of this, but we're going to need to hop on a flight to Kansas City ASAP because apparently the chiefs are just paying everybody.

First, it was the players, Pat Holmes, Chris Jones, Travis Kelsey. Now it's Andy Reed and general manager, Bruce. Brett Beach, they are reportedly both finalizing a contract extension to remain with the chiefs through the 2025 season. Makes sense. I mean, Brett Veach has done a magnificent job. They have a very talented roster. And remember, you know, he comes in and replaces John Dorsey, who was ushered out the door. And, you know, look, the chance they took on Tyreek Hill, and then remember, they re-up Tyreek Hill as well, even after the tapes came. came out last off. See, remember this time last year, we didn't know if Tyrie Kill was going to play because of that leaked audio tape where his mother of his child recorded him without him knowing.

So they did get a little bit lucky. Yeah, they've done a good job. They drafted well. And that that's going to be the challenge. You're going to have to continue to draft well. But this is an amazing restoration of Andy Reid's reputation after it took a little bit of a dip at the end of the Eagles run. Finish up here with another NFL story, Doug. Earl Thomas remains. a free agent. The team he's been basically trying to force his way on to is the Dallas Cowboys. Sure. This was Jerry Jones on 105.3, the fan this morning, talking about Thomas and if the team is looking to sign the Raven, the former Raven and Seahawk. Discussions internally, we have discussions that certainly he's an outstanding football player, and we're sitting here at

personnel time and we're looking for ways to get better. And he would be one of several that we would discuss during this particular time as we finalized this roster. And, you know, it would be a misleading thing to say that we didn't, haven't discussed him. It'd be a misleading thing to say that we have. So there you go, Doug. It's misleading to say that they've discussed them, but it's also misleading to say that they have not discussed them.

So Earl Thomas That is the subtle art of saying nothing. Yeah. I would guess that Jerry is, you know, Mike McCarthy talked about chemistry a lot and that you use chemistry as your code word. That means don't touch, don't touch him. It's very, very different

when the players themselves saw him as a guy who didn't work hard, wasn't committed, and said we don't want him on our football team. That's very different than any other situation. That's a buyer beware. and I don't even think the Dallas Cowboys will take that bait.

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Milwaukee, no, Milwaukee Bucks lost to the Miami Heat. Oh, really? Yeah. There's two upsets last night and one favorite got a huge win. You're like, I'm looking at these scores. There's only two NBA games. The Heat won 115-104, they beat the Milwaukee Bucks. The Thunder came from six down to win by four, finished on a 12 to 2 run,

and they beat the Houston Rockets to force the game seven. Chris Paul was fantastic. We'll talk about that top of the hour. but you know who really won last night, don't you? Your Los Angeles Lakers. How'd they win? They didn't play. And they don't have to play for another couple of games.

Another couple days. And whoever wins, Rockets, Thunder, are going to be absolutely gassed. Think about it for a second. This is a team that they had two games, essentially two games postponed, got an extra. like five days off, then took down the Blazers and didn't have Damien Lillard, and now they've been off since game five, which if you go back and look, you know, game five was played several, what was that, Sunday? Yeah. So, I mean, if you, if you think

about it, they were rested going into game five. LeBron was fantastic. So too was Anthony Davis. Anthony Davis had 43 points. And it wasn't like LeBron was some sort of slouch. rested sharp, 36, 10 rebounds, 10 assists in only 34 minutes. And now you basically get like a week off before you play, that's all you could ever ask for. When you're LeBron James and you're, what is he,

35 years old, 35 years old, to get that extra time is incredible. And then, you know, I think they hope really that it's Houston. They feel like they match up better with Houston. Houston does have the ability to beat him a game because they shoot it so well and they stretch you out. But there's no real matchup for LeBron and no matchup for Anthony Davis. Who's going to guard those guys?

Nobody. But I thought the Lakers got a win last night because the Thunder won the game. That would be my, that's my read on it. All right, a lot to get to coming up. Moe Dachl is going to join us. He writes for Bleach Report. He used to work in the NBA. got great insight into what the heat did yesterday to take down Janus and the Bucks.

We'll get his thoughts on tonight's game seven. That is game seven between Donovan Mitchell's Utah Jazz and Jamal Murray's Denver Nuggets. And I don't normally say one guy, but if you've watched these two, I mean, you got to drop in 50 in multiple playoff games? It's been unbelievable. Unbelievable. Also, in our best for last, and you know, look, I'll tee this up because we asked for your help yesterday. We do have our list, but we'll continue to build it.

The most annoying, great players. And by annoying, I mean, you know, like Chris Paul has never committed a foul. Like, Chris Paul can be incredibly annoyed. Like, the way he looks at talks to, he got a technical foul, which felt like a weak technical with like three minutes left to go in the game. But then you had to know that Chris Paul. saying something condescending to an official. Whether he deserved it or not, doesn't matter.

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