The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Best destinations for Derek Carr

Episode Date: January 4, 2023

The best possible destinations for Raiders QB Derek Carr Reasons why Jim Harbaugh would leave Michigan for the NFL Thoughts on the criticism Patriots QB Mac Jones is getting   Guest: Channing Crowder...See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Transcript
Discussion (0)
Starting point is 00:00:00 This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel,
Starting point is 00:00:19 help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.
Starting point is 00:00:41 Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fans,
Starting point is 00:01:10 so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tauntons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule. of two. Listen to stuff to blow your mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast.
Starting point is 00:01:37 Be sure to catch us live every weekday from 12 to 3 Eastern, 9 to noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and FS1. Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Heard. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. All right. here we go hour two live in l a la it's the herd wherever you may be however you may be listening iheart
Starting point is 00:02:03 radio fox sports radio fs one so during the break sometimes our show is much better during the break we were talking about a segment i want to do tomorrow where the quarterback market has gotten crazy over the last four or five years and the reason being a lot of these young general managers are much more prone to roll the dice and make moods you see young NBA GMs young NFL GMs young baseball GMs These young guys, the analytic guys, they'll make moves tomorrow. Their predecessors not so willing to do that. I mean, Jimmy Johnson always tells the story when he made the Herschel Walker trade and got all the players in picks.
Starting point is 00:02:39 The New York Giants had made one trade in their franchise history before that. People just didn't make moves. And Jimmy's like, I've got to rebuild the Cowboys, I'm going to make a huge move. And he created a draft trade chart, which is used by half the teams today. So tomorrow, let's do this as a segment. We'll take the four names that could. move. Brady, Carr, Garapolo.
Starting point is 00:03:02 Daniel Jones? I think... Tannahill? We may put Tannahill in there. I think they can move off him because there'd be no big huge dead cap hit. Playoff quarterback. Okay, okay. Then those are the four and we won't
Starting point is 00:03:15 tell each other our answers. We'll each have where they go. And the reasons for it. Then we have to make one, you can't tell me, one bowl prediction. It has to be a star quarterback. Because we've had now three years, Russell moving to Denver, Stafford moving to L.A., Brady going. So three years in a row, we've had a massive star move.
Starting point is 00:03:38 So they'll be, we'll just project, we think there'll be one. So I know what my stars are. Yeah, you're going Kirk Cousins or Aaron Rogers, one of those two for sure. Kirk Couss is not a star. Oh, he's not a star, top 12 quarterback in the league? Star is like, star. The disdine for Kirk Cousins. He's not a star. He's a starting quarterback.
Starting point is 00:04:00 All right. So, you know, years ago, years and years and years decades ago, I remember being told, if you go on a date and she crosses her arms, that's bad body language. That's a rejection. Change the subject. She's not into you. So for you people out there, if somebody crosses their arms, that's rejection. They don't like what you're saying. It's a defensive pose. So body language, there are body language experts out there. attorneys tell their clients, dress nicely, don't roll your eyes, don't shrug your shoulders for this or that. So body language matters. And I've been saying this for years on this show, and I'm always amazed at the pushback. Jay Cutler was somebody I used to bang on all the time for terrible body language.
Starting point is 00:04:45 We later found out a lot of teammates didn't like him. It was a tell. In poker, they called a tell. For years, Aaron Rogers, 10 years ago, I'm like, his body language is awful. We found out Aaron's difficult and prickly and moody. Kyler Murray's body language stinks. We found out he alienates even Larry Fitzgerald.
Starting point is 00:05:05 Body language is real. So Boomer Ossison on radio in New York, WFAN, said he just can't stand the Patriots body language with Mack Jones. Here's the thing that I really dislike about Mack Jones, if you want to get to the root of it. His body language, his facial expressions, his gyrations on the field, piss me. off. Body language for a quarterback is so important. And I hate when quarterbacks sulk on the sideline. You know, they have to be above all of that. They have to have the backbone. They have to have the leadership bone. They have to be able to look guys in the face, know what they're doing.
Starting point is 00:05:41 You know, don't come off with your hands in the air. And now, it's easy to say, and I have defended Mack Jones saying they're screwing with his career. I understand he's angry. but Trevor Lawrence was dealt a horrible hand with Urban Meyer first year in Jacksonville. His body language wasn't awful. Let's be honest about Tua. The first two years, I mean, his coach wanted him out of the building, didn't want him in the franchise. He was always great at the podium.
Starting point is 00:06:09 He was always great with body language. That's never been an issue. So I do think it's gotten worse and worse. Sometimes Matt comes off as a spoiled brat. I do like, I have always defended quarterbacks on being. emotional. Like I like them. If they have to yell to a coach or yell to teammate,
Starting point is 00:06:28 I'm okay. Brady's done it. I'm okay with that. But the body language for Mack, there's a lot of finger pointing. I don't think it's great. He defended himself on Boston morning radio. For me, it's just trying to channel my competitiveness in a good way and just continue to be Mac.
Starting point is 00:06:46 Obviously, I want to have a respect for everybody that plays in this league and coaches in this league. so I'm definitely things I can get better at. And just like with execution, with football plays, it's the same idea just trying to grow and earn the respect to people, obviously, most importantly, in the building. I mean, we have to be honest about it. He was a child actor.
Starting point is 00:07:08 He goes to Alabama. He's a great high school quarterback. He had a very good rookie year. This is the first time maybe in his life. He's losing a lot. Things aren't going his way. They called him McEnroe Jones at Alabama, so he's got a temper. So, you know, he grew up, you know, pretty good life.
Starting point is 00:07:29 And a lot of wins, a lot of support, a lot of momentum. Now he's not getting it. But I could make that same argument for Trevor Lawrence. His body language is great. But I appreciate Boomer Ossison saying this. It does matter. Quarterback is different. I've said for years, I don't care about the Wonderlich test.
Starting point is 00:07:47 But I kind of do want to know the score if you're a quarterback. Like if it was eight or nine or ten, I'd be like, wow, cognitively, that's a hard position to play. You got to memorize a lot. I don't love that number. So they're everything I think as a quarterback counts. I think your body language counts. What was your upbringing? Were you a spoiled brat?
Starting point is 00:08:08 I mean, I always said this. Zach Wilson reminded me of Johnny Mansell. Both grew up with lots of money. I didn't like it. I was not a fan of it. I like my quarterbacks. I like the fact that Aaron Roger. had to go to a junior college and Tom Brady went to the sixth round and Russell Wilson told he ran too
Starting point is 00:08:26 much and was too short and Dak went to the fourth round and Big Ben had to go to Ohio, Miami of Ohio. Matt Ryan didn't get a lot of great offers, had to go to BC. Philip Rivers, NC State. If you go look at the history, not a lot of big USC quarterbacks crushing and Alabama quarterbacks crushing in the NFL. The guys that have are doubted, are mocked, fall in the draft, have a chip on their shoulder do very well in this draft. Very few quarterbacks were number one in high school, number one in college, number one pick star. Peyton Manning's an outlier. You think it would be like that, right? Well, he's the best high schooler, best college quarterback, number one pick. Very rarely happens. Matt Stafford's had a very good career, but he had to go to Detroit and go
Starting point is 00:09:08 through that tunnel of losing. Most of you, there was a time in the NFL when there were no USC quarterbacks, no Alabama starting quarterbacks, and three from NC State. So is Mack a little spoiled? A lot of these Alabama quarterbacks, they don't get hit. I mean, they don't get sacked. They got number one, you know, they got two first round wide receivers, a first round left tackle, a first round running back, the best college football coach ever. You know, maybe that's part of it is this is the first distress. He's really, really faced and he's not dealing with it.
Starting point is 00:09:39 Well, I don't know, but I do appreciate Boomer Osias and coming out and saying, yes, this stuff matters. Everything matters for quarterbacks. I don't give a, if my corner has had made mistakes or did this or. did that. He's a corner. Shut your guy down. I'm not going to worry. Corners don't generally speak for a franchise. They don't call the plays. They're not a coach on the field. Channing Crowder, former dolphin linebackers, become a great broadcaster and a podcaster. He's all over the place. That's a terrific job. So I want to start with this. Demar Hamlin, the injury, as somebody
Starting point is 00:10:12 who played in this NFL for six years, all with the dolphins, I was sick to my stomach as a broadcaster. I literally after a while, I shut the TV off, I got off social. I just, just, it was rough. As a player, how did it land for you? Oh, it hit me hard. And Colin, I've seen ankle bones pop out during games. I've seen, you know, dozens of guys get knocked out, eyes rolled in the back of their head and all of that. When an individual technically dies, cardiac arrest, your heart stops, you stop breathing, on the field, you're seeing, you're seeing, them due to the fibulator. You're seeing them give a teammate CPR. That's something that blew my mind. I saw a guy paralyzed in high school and my coach had to convince me to finish the game.
Starting point is 00:10:59 And it wasn't that extreme. You know, like the guy was laying there, I just saw his body go limp and mentally I was gone. So after watching that and seeing Tredavius White, seeing Stefan Digg, seeing Josh Allen, seeing, you know, guys I know, seeing their reactions, these tough barbarian guys, it, it messed me up. My son is about to start playing tackle football. We were training before this happened. And now I'm watching it with my son who I'm preparing to play this game. It really got to me at a higher level of any other these terrible injuries I've seen in the past. You know, prayers and thoughts for his family, everything we say.
Starting point is 00:11:31 But I really, I really think the NFL did a good job not playing that game. And as a player, all the players I've talked to, that was something that was unprecedented on a field of play. So, you know, I said this between Tua and Teddy. this is a big man's game. I mean, Channing, you're a big guy, right? Even the quarterbacks, Ben's big, Cam was big, Peyton's big, Tom's big, Herbert's big, Allen's big. It's a big man's game.
Starting point is 00:11:59 Two is not. And now we have injuries. And now we have the Hamlin situation. And I can see the Miami brass in the offseason saying, guys, we got, we got, this is a big, this is the franchise. You're in Miami. You know this franchise. Do you think, if I said to you 12 months from today, Tua is the quarterback, are they still, because some of this stuff is just bad breaks?
Starting point is 00:12:25 It's just unfortunate. Where do you think the dolphins are privately on tour right now? Evaluating the entire quarterback room. I'm with you, Colin. And I've been a Tua fan. There's a Tua non, the two of detractors and all. I'm a Tua guy. I like Tua.
Starting point is 00:12:41 Now, he's a talented dude. But as you see him, getting concussions off not dead. devastating hits. He's not having, you know, Julius Peppers and Von Miller dive in the back of his head. He's getting wrapped up around the legs and he's falling down and getting those concussions. A guy, there's availability, the best ability is availability. That's the thing with Tua that I'm concerned with right now, super capable guy. You saw the stretch he had when they were winning when he was having 300-yard back-to-back games in the MVP conversation, but then he gets hurt again. And he gets hurt again. So now we're looking at it. And to tell everybody, he's not playing the rest of the season.
Starting point is 00:13:15 I don't care what happens in, you know, New York. And Tua can't go back to your point about the injuries and the, the sensitivity of injuries right now, the NFL. But the entire quarterback room, Colin, Teddy Bridgewater went in for Tua and got hurt himself. Two games he replaced Tua. So he goes in there and gets a concussion second play at a game. And then he breaks his finger.
Starting point is 00:13:34 So the entire quarterback room has to be addressed. And Miami coming in this year was Superman with osteoporosis. They had it all. Yeah. If you look at the roster, they're loaded. They have Ogma. They have Jalen Phillips. They went and got Bradley Chubb.
Starting point is 00:13:48 They went and revamped the running back room. They tie-re kills there. The best receiver in the league, top three for sure, we can argue. Waddle still there. They're loaded. The defensive secondaries loaded. One of the best top ten defenses last season. And now Brandon Jones gets hurt.
Starting point is 00:14:02 Byron Jones gets hurt. Xavier Howard's out now. Terran Armstrongstead. He doesn't even practice throughout the week. They were a loaded roster. They looked great on paper, but so many injuries just killed this team. And the biggest one is Tootong of our love. and not being able to stay healthy, stay on the field.
Starting point is 00:14:18 So the entire roster, but really this quarterback room from one all the way down to three, has to be evaluated in the off-season. You know, I said this is that if you connect the dots, this offense comes from San Francisco. This offense does not need a playmaker. They need a distributor who's durable. And I said, Kirk Cousins, roll your eyes, but Minnesota needs draft capital. Minnesota has hit a wall. Derek Carr.
Starting point is 00:14:49 Derek Carr is available. He's played behind some bad old lines, and you start looking at it and you go, oh, I don't know. But I look at this offense and I look at San Francisco's. They don't need Josh Allen. That's not what they do. They made Matt Ryan an MVP with this offense.
Starting point is 00:15:06 Matt Schaub was a pro bowler. If they move off to a and your options were Carr, maybe you call to Kirk Cousin. Garoppolo, Brady, do you believe there's a favorite in the club? Maybe Daniel Jones with the New York Giants is somebody to think about. Is there in your head, Channing? That's the guy they'd call first. I was listening from the last, earlier this segment.
Starting point is 00:15:30 You're talking about Kirk Cousins like this guy is something special, Colin. I'm not a Kirk Cousins fan. But you talk about guys that's been in the system and been successful? Jimmy Garoppolo was in the system and successful. He's a good quarterback. not going to do too much. The Daniel Jones taken off running, you know, the athleticism, I don't think they really need that. Now when you, you know, you throw an athletic guy in there and teach him when to use it, it would be good. But my two, my top two guys would be Jimmy G.
Starting point is 00:15:58 And Derek Carr, like Derek Carr is not washed. The, the, the Raiders right now are doing them wrong. Josh McDaniels, he doesn't know what's going on if Bill Belichick's not around him. But I would say Derek Carr, Jimmy G, you put them in that system. They tell you where the ball is going. We know what Kyle Shanahan does. We know what Mike McDaniel does when they scheme this stuff up. It looks great when it's working. It looks great when the quarterback is making those quick decisions. And I think Jimmy G. and Derek Carr are capable of playing a system that the dolphins have implemented. And it comes right back from the 49ers where McDaniel was before. But I would say those are my top two if they're available. And I think both of them are this offseason, seeing what the
Starting point is 00:16:38 Raiders did to Derek Carr and Jimmy G sitting out there as a lame duck right now. So the owner of the Dolphin, Stephen Ross, Michigan guy, Harbaugh is now all sorts of stuff is leaking. And I said, not all college football coaches see the world similarly. I think the coach of Tulane winning a bowl game, that is his national championship. The coach of Oklahoma State beating the Sooners, winning the Big 12. That's his national championship. I look at Harbaugh and his love for Michigan. and I think he privately thinks, listen, I can't beat these SEC teams.
Starting point is 00:17:16 They have 25 NFL guys on it, but I have restored Michigan to the king of the Big Ten over the team I hate Ohio State. I do believe, to a large degree, he feels mission accomplished. And I'm okay with that. I think he's going to go to the NFL. Outsider a little bit, but knowing Stephen Ross and his workings and the Michigan connection, he's not going to go to Miami, obviously. Your gut feeling on what Harbaugh does.
Starting point is 00:17:42 I think he goes back to the NFL. Colin, it's unfinished business. This man was 44, 19, and 1, lost two NFC championship games, lost a Super Bowl to the Ravens. Three years, back-to-back double-digit wins is starting his career as a coach. It's unfinished business. Saban will never go back. I played for Saban.
Starting point is 00:18:00 He walked in NFL and said, no, I don't want to coach these opinionated millionaires. I'm going to go back and beat up on these little kids. He didn't want to deal with the grown men. Right. I think Harbaugh, his success he had, being on the doorstep of a championship, going back to college, to your point, going to his alma mater and getting them back on top, he has to come back for that unfinished business. You know the Harbaas, all the way to their dad, they don't give up.
Starting point is 00:18:25 And I think Harbaugh feels as if he quit right on this doorstep of winning that big championship. And I do think he will be a successful NFL coach, as we've seen, the record speaks for itself. You were a six-year starting linebacker, a couple of years, over a hundred-plus tackles. The AFC, right, and this is something the dolphins have to think about. If they were in the NFC, it's different. The AFC now has Burrow and Herbert. Now Deshaun has always been pretty good. Mahomes, Alan, Lamar, Trevor Lawrence. You know, if you're the dolphins, that is the, that's the roadblock to get to an AFC championship. When you look at all these young quarterbacks, is there one, has a former linebacker.
Starting point is 00:19:08 Is there one that's a little underrated to you? I think Herbert, because he plays with the Chargers, doesn't get nearly the love. He played at Oregon. A lot of the country didn't see him. What do you make of all the young quarterbacks? Is there one that you really think is a former linebacker you really like? The underrated guy, I would say,
Starting point is 00:19:28 just like flat out, Patrick Mahomes is a generational town. I'm not telling anybody anything they don't know, Colin. but the guy that I think was Delta bad hand was Trevor Lawrence. He is super talented. You're seeing it now when he has any sort of a competent head coach. I'm a gator. Urban Meyer gave us two national championships. Urban Meyer should have never been an NFL head coach and we saw that.
Starting point is 00:19:50 By his actions when he was a coach, we won't get back into it. Trevor Lawrence was in there, elementary offense. Oh, this is a matchup based thing. No, coach, Urban. He gets back and now you're seeing it. Slowly but surely every single game Trevor's getting better. I believe in the next couple of years, we will be talking about Trevor Lawrence as we talk about a Josh Allen. I think he could take over a Justin Herbert.
Starting point is 00:20:11 Herbert is very talented man, and it seemed as if the Dolphins might have made a mistake with that pick in five and six with Herbert and Tua. But I would say Trevor Lawrence is that guy that he gets brought up last in a lot of conversations. I believe in the next year or two, he will be starting to get up there with the Mahomes conversations, with those Josh Allen conversations because he is amazing talent. and you talk about, I heard you talking earlier about the Matt Jones body language. It's called affluenza. You've been given too much. You have too much money.
Starting point is 00:20:40 You're a little different. I was around a bunch of rich dudes growing up and I play with rich guys. And they just have this little demeanor to them and you know it gets to you. You brought up Jake Cutler. I want to bring him Josh Allen in this conversation. Kyler Murray was a trust fund baby. There are guys that have money and don't act like it. Zach Thomas, people don't know if Zach wants me to tell this to the world.
Starting point is 00:21:00 Zach Thomas's dad's a billionaire. And Zach Thomas is one of the hardest workers I ever touched the field with. It didn't get to him. That affluencea gets to somebody. It did not get to Trevor Lawrence. And I'm going to see Trevor Lawrence being spoke about like some of those top, top NFL quarterbacks in the next year or two. Channing, you just crush it everywhere.
Starting point is 00:21:19 You've got a podcast, a radio show with Mark Hockman. All of it good. Always do your homework. Really appreciate it, Channing. You're totally honest. And I just love having you on the show. Thank you on a busy guy making yourself available for us. Thank you so much, man.
Starting point is 00:21:35 It's an honor, man. Anytime give me a call. Your staff is amazing. Y'all are amazing. I watch every single day, bro. Thank you so much. All right. Channing Crowder,
Starting point is 00:21:43 who's had right now, he's got a really nice media career. A lot of things to say. The Miami situation is really interesting because I've said this before. I had an agent once that told me this. Companies make a decision on you a year before you find out. And I think you're having conversations in the building right now. now and you're looking in Miami and you're like Burrow and Alan and Lamar and you start
Starting point is 00:22:05 naming Herbert and this and that and I mean Deshawn Watson now in the AFC we used to think of him as elite I'm not even sure if he's top six seriously I watched them the last couple weeks he's not in the same class he sat out a year I know but he didn't play football for a year I know I know I forget the stuff that's despicable but when I watch him play I'm like he's not close to Mahomes and Alan. Who's more likely to bounce back next year? Deshawn Watson or Russell Wilson? Back to normal level being a good quarterback.
Starting point is 00:22:37 Depends on the coach. If Russell gets Sean Payton, then he's going to bounce back. Yeah. Sean Watson has Stefansky, a pretty good coach who... No, I think it's good. Kind of underwhelmed a little bit this year, but I digress. Yeah. One more herd?
Starting point is 00:22:51 The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds.
Starting point is 00:23:20 I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clivert Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.
Starting point is 00:23:42 Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast, it's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger.
Starting point is 00:24:15 So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok. Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun,
Starting point is 00:24:40 thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tontons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith Rule of Two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Sunday, it's the NFL week 18 season finale on Fox featuring a double header that starts with the Jets,
Starting point is 00:25:11 taking on the Dolphins or other regional action. Then in America's Game of the Week, the Cowboys continue their improbable quest for an NFC's title against the commanders, where the Seahawks try to keep their playoff hopes alive against the Rams or cards 49ers. It all starts at one-eastern on Fox and the Fox Sports app. Yeah, this is one of those interesting weeks, like the Titans' Jags, do the Titans just say, you know, we got guys banged up, we don't want to risk it, you don't know what you're going to do. Do the Jags say to themselves? You know, you get these teams, I think you just keep playing. I think you always play. But if you're like the New York Giants you're in, Sequin Barclay, do you give him like six carries? Go through practice, go through game rips, get him in, get him out. That might be six too many for me, Colin. By the way, Washington just announced literally a minute ago. Sam Howell, the rookie will start the season finale against Dallas, the rookie out of North Carolina. Ron Rivera is going to take a look at what he's got for potentially next year. We all know Carson Wentz's toast.
Starting point is 00:26:10 There's another landing spot for a quarterback. By the way, nice weapons, nice roster, a couple of great draft picks. Listen, I got a buddy who has a friend that's a CFL general manager. That's where Carson Wentz is headed. He's not going to be in the NFL. No way. J-Mac with the news No
Starting point is 00:26:30 No no no Turn on the news This is the Herdline News Start with the 49ers and Brock Purdy What a star What a story You gotta love this Colin The most interesting thing about Purdy
Starting point is 00:26:41 Who you compared to Jimmy G earlier You did a good job with that I should add Is that he was drafted Mr. Irrelevant The last pick Yeah In the most recent draft Some might wonder if Purdy believes
Starting point is 00:26:53 He should have been drafted earlier Here's what he had to say You know, you look at the last two years of my film in college and everything like that. There's some parts in my game where, yeah, like I had to work and improve on. And so I'm honest and open about that with myself. But there's always been this part of me, like, man, when I'm playing my best football, I know I can play at the next level and, you know, take a team down the field and be the guy on the team to help us win and put points up on the board.
Starting point is 00:27:18 But I'm not mad at where I fell or anything like that. It's part of it. And I just, I'm glad I had the opportunity to go and play for the next. Niners, have a shot. I'm making it. You know, it illustrates that if you have the right support system, it makes life a lot easier. Take out the
Starting point is 00:27:37 Trevor Lawrence's, the Andrew Lux, the John Elways. These are all timers. And maybe Mahomes would have succeeded anywhere. But even Josh Allen was a bit of a mess his rookie year and needed great coaching. By the way, as
Starting point is 00:27:52 reverted back to some turnovers, Daniel Jones, needed saving. It looks like Brian Dable has saved Daniel Jones career. Wasn't Josh Allen like 56% completions at Wyoming? No, I remember. So I was told he was going to get drafted
Starting point is 00:28:08 and I watched him play. I think it was Iowa and Oregon. He was huge thin with a huge arm, ran around, but crazy and accurate. And I can remember saying he's either going to be amazing or a total bust.
Starting point is 00:28:25 And after the first year, about seven, eight games in, you were like, wow, he's completing 55% of his throws. It's a mess. But again, Brian Daibol, now, we think Josh Allen would have worked to some level regardless. But Daibol was huge. Daniel Jones' career has been saved by Brian Davel. That's why he'd be my coach of the year. So when you see that, if you're Jimmy Garapolo or one of these other quarterbacks,
Starting point is 00:28:48 don't you want to go work with Daibol? And that's my concern with the Jets and maybe going back to the Breer thing. Maybe you've got to give a pick and try to get car before he hits you. open market? You don't think the giants are, they're not moving off Daniel, Joe. We'll see. There's no way. They, they, they, what do you mean? Well, I think he, he almost looks like Eli. He's more mobile. He's a big, strong, sturdy kid from the South. I think, I don't know, I think those owners, the Mara family look at him and think, hey, it took four years with Eli Manning. Maybe the owners. Yeah, but Eli Manning was like a, wasn't the number one overall
Starting point is 00:29:17 pick? No, no, no. But don't you think Daibold says, man, I, I, I raise the level on him. This is the max that we can get out of Daniel Jones. Let's see if we can level up and get new guy. Privately? Yeah. Okay. But the Mara family told Daveal we want to make this work. So they're tired of their chaos with coaches and GMs.
Starting point is 00:29:38 I think the Mara family would rather come back with Daniel Jones, do this again, playoffs, one and done. My entire NFL media existence, since I've been in this business, I've always thought of the Giants as a Blue Blood franchise. Giant Steelers, right? Yeah, I mean, just they're like, dependent. They're boring. They're the accounting firm of the NFL.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Even when they're good, they're boring. I never thought they were a chaos or a mess. Then the last eight, nine years, you're like, they're a circus. Total disaster. I think them are a sense that to their older fan base because the Yankee fans and the giant fans in New York always feel older. They've got championships. The Jet fan, the Met fans, a little younger. They don't have the history, a little more outspoken.
Starting point is 00:30:21 Yeah, a little bit. So I tend to think you're a classic Jets fan. I hope that's a compliment. Well, the giant fans I know tend to be older, and so I think the Mara family wants to get back to what they are, traditional, not bouncing around on coaches and quarterbacks every three years, and I tend to think they're going to go with Daniel. Just a quick word on Purdy.
Starting point is 00:30:41 So he was a three-star guy coming out of high school, and he goes to Iowa State, and he was pretty damn good the first two years. Matt Campbell, who's a very highly thought of coach in NFL circles. Like, Purdy was on track to be drafted, but he kind of spiraled the final. two years, which is why he fell to the seventh round. Let me ask you, did he lose a great player? Did he lose? He had Breeze Hall. He had a wide receiver that was drafted by Arizona. I'm spacing on
Starting point is 00:31:05 his name. He never became anything. But it just, for whatever reason, did he lose a good coordinator at Iowa State? I don't know. Did he, you know, sometimes you're a college player, the coordinator at Iowa State, get the head job somewhere, so you lose a coordinator. I mean, the pressure of, hey, I'm an NFL quarterback, got to you and you're overthinking it. I don't know. Let's remember. Look at the scenario he's got. You say the first. 49ers have the best roster in the league. You know, Brock Purdy goes to, I don't know, Houston tomorrow. Is he anything?
Starting point is 00:31:32 Probably not, right? Yeah, right, right, right. All right, next up. Oh, geez. I want to thank the producers for getting the Jets in here all the time. Listen, they're looking to play spoiler this weekend against the dolphins. Dolphins, by the way, will be without Tua for another week. And Teddy Bridgewater, some kind of broken finger,
Starting point is 00:31:50 sounds like he's not going to be the guy, and it's looking like Skyler-Tombo. I'm going to take them still. You're going to take the Dolphins this weekend? I think it's close and low. I think it's like 14-13. Who do you like? I like the Dolphins close. I always like the Jets.
Starting point is 00:32:05 No pressure here. I picked Miami to get in as a wild card with about nine wins, 10 wins. So I'm going to go with it. So you're hoping your bet. You're rooting for your earlier bet. I think this offense does not need a playmaker. Skyler Thompson for a Sunday. Is it Sunday?
Starting point is 00:32:19 Yeah. Can win a game. So here's what Mike McDaniel said about the quarterback situation. I have thought about playing status. It is about him getting healthy each and every day. And so I can't really even factor him into any sort of equation until we're ready to broach that. So it's just really a situation of at this point in the week, Monday and Tuesday in game prep. I'll be preparing for both Skyler and Teddy
Starting point is 00:32:54 and then proceed as the week progresses. Boy, tough stretch for McDaniel. Five weeks ago. Well, last week... Tool was like an MVP. McDaniel's maybe coach of the year. Well, I think they were missing... Did you look at the injury report?
Starting point is 00:33:10 Five or six guys on the starting line up. Like top guys. So last week was they just didn't have enough players. Good players. Jets smacked the dolphins around in their last meeting. I don't remember that. And they faced Skylar Thompson. It was like four.
Starting point is 00:33:21 40 to 17. Okay. Bridgewater got hurt on the first play. Final story. Many thought the Chiefs would take a step back without Tyreek Hill this season, but Patrick Mahomes, he's been MVP worthy.
Starting point is 00:33:31 His MVP odds are soaring, Colin. A league leading 5,048 passing yards, 40 TDs. Chiefs are currently the number one seed in the AFC. NFL best 417 yards per game, 29 points per game. One week to go, looking ahead to the Super Bowl, Fox Bet makes the Chiefs the favorite to win it at all. Plus 370.
Starting point is 00:33:52 Here are the latest Fox Bet Super Bowl odds. No surprise at the top of the leaderboard. A couple AFC teams in the Chiefs and Bills, followed by Niners, Eagles, Bengals, Cowboys. That looks, oddly enough, like your Super Bowl bubble, Colin. I think that's exactly your top five are who's in your bubble. It is interesting. Cincinnati never quite gets the respect.
Starting point is 00:34:14 They don't. By the way, I know it was only one drive, but damn, did they look good against the bills on Monday night football. They just went right. down the field. I mean, they don't make a lot of noise. They're in the Midwest. They're not as flashy as Buffalo. They're certainly not Kansas City. They don't have the roster of San Francisco. Nobody respects. Cincinnati is really, really good. If I said to you Cincinnati, like every team has a whole. Like Kansas City sometimes defensively, they laugh. Buffalo
Starting point is 00:34:42 offensive line, Niners quarterback. Philadelphia now, O-line right tackle. Major injuries. Dallas, kind of a complimentary piece of quarterback could use another receiver. If I said Cincinnati, what's the whole? They could probably use another corner, maybe. I think their top cornerback went down. I'll tell you right now, I like their defense over the Chief's defense. Oh, yes. I mean, and the Bengals, D.C. is calling much better second halves than Spagnolo and K.C.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Listen, I think I like Chiefs Niners in the Super Bowl. Are you with me or no? I like Cincinnati Niners. I don't know. I don't like that. Plus 750, it? I like them. You put a couple hundred dollars down on that couch?
Starting point is 00:35:21 Maybe buy us a dinner? Maybe use your superpowers to buy me a meal sometime? Jeez. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports
Starting point is 00:35:38 Radio, FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's Ben. Host of The Fifth Hour with Ben Mallor. It would mean a lot to have you join us on our weekly auditory journey. You're asking what in God's name is the Fifth Hour. tell you, it's a spinoff of the Ben Mather show, a cult hit overnight's on FSR. Why should you listen?
Starting point is 00:35:57 Picture, if you will, a world where we chat with captains of industry, in media, sports, and more every week, explore some amazing facts about human nature and more. Listen to the fifth hour with Ben Mather on the Iheart radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where
Starting point is 00:36:13 doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football
Starting point is 00:36:51 or my career in sports media. Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.
Starting point is 00:37:11 One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to The Clifford show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars.
Starting point is 00:37:48 fan, so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of Tontons and Wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith Rule of Two. Listen to Stuff to Bo Your Mind on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Good to have you back in. Start this year, slam dunk, wireless savings, about half off your cell bill, go to consumercellular.com slash the herd. Consumer cellular.com slash the herd. So I thought it was a great college football season.
Starting point is 00:38:28 But inevitably, over the last 15, 20 years, we're back to how all college football seasons end. A dominant Southern program heavily favored to win the national championship. An SEC team loaded with talent. If you go to the last five national champions, 2017 Bama, fall. followed by Clemson, LSU, Bama, Georgia. Those teams, these are the first round picks those teams have. 5, 6, 5, 3, 4. This year's Georgia team is projected to have four.
Starting point is 00:39:04 TCU has one. So when Jim Harbaugh's name is out there, I think Jim Harbaugh looks at this and sees the obvious stuff because he's losing a lot of those players he's recruiting to those schools. and when you're at a decided NFL athlete disadvantage in college, winning the Big Ten, putting the stake in the claim, Michigan runs the Big Ten, that's it.
Starting point is 00:39:30 You leave head high. Michigan, since Harbaas got there, become the Michigan coach, has averaged one first round pick a year. And they're a power in the north, the north where there's fewer great high school players. Penn State over eight years has averaged half a first round pick. That's why I think Harbaugh is leaving is that Jim looks at it.
Starting point is 00:39:57 I wouldn't, but if he does, I get it. Brian Kelly, he just looks at those numbers. You've got to have about five first round players. And by the way, all those SEC teams, LSU, Georgia Bama, they got another five that are sophomores. So they got 10 guys who will be first rounders in a two-year period. period. Michigan will have two, and eight pro disadvantage. Ohio State is the best northern program in the country. They also have to go to Texas, Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, get some of their players. They average about two, two and a half first round picks. So when you hear about
Starting point is 00:40:33 Jim Harbaugh, why would you leave, it's all numbers. Same reason Brian Kelly did. It's just data. If you really want to win a national championship, it is hard not to do it. Even the first Football Factory, Ohio State is. They've got one national championship in what? 17, 18, 19 years, 2014. There you go. All right. So Albert Breer was on earlier talking about Derek Carr.
Starting point is 00:40:58 So he said, somebody's going to have him make a decision very quick on Derek Carr. Where does Derek Carr? So I think he's worth a second round pick. And Albert Breer argues this. Here's Albert earlier. The Raiders have to make a decision on this by February 15th. And so, like, to get a trade partner, you'd be asking for that team to move way ahead
Starting point is 00:41:20 of the market and say, we're going to lock in with Derek Carr as our quarterback on Valentine's Day. And then you look at what else is going to be out there. Well, you know, for the Raiders or the Niners, it could be Tom Brady. But then you look at some of the other names out there, Jimmy Garoppolo, Daniel Jones, Gino Smith, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold. The other thing that complicates it, too, is the no trade clause. Like, he doesn't have to go anywhere that he doesn't want to go.
Starting point is 00:41:43 So I just think that there's a very real scenario where we get to Super Bowl Sunday. And, you know, with all of our reporting on the morning of that game, we're all talking about Derek Carr potentially getting cut within the next 72 hours. So let's play, start the car or park the car? Which spots feel like he should take? Okay. I would say, let's start with it. Yeah, I like these car graphics we have.
Starting point is 00:42:07 I think the audience is going to love it. Let's start with should Derek Carr start for the Miami Dolphins next year? I would go for it. Also, he has a no trade clause. He can say no. To me, this is the best place to go. Two superstar speed receivers, warm weather. He doesn't have a huge arm.
Starting point is 00:42:24 And a brilliant offensive coach, this is the place for him. To me, this and the Jets work. Start the car. So we move off to a interesting. All right, your Derek Carr start for New Orleans Saints down in the bayou. Yeah, they've had five quarterbacks last two years. Excellent defense. Don't love the coach.
Starting point is 00:42:41 but that's one of those if Dennis Allen survives you have good ownership great GM Mickey Loomis really good front office there's weapons here good young receiver in Olave winnable division
Starting point is 00:42:54 Brady's probably jettisons the division that's an interesting one should Derek Carr start for the Indianapolis Colts instability the owner now is let's be honest
Starting point is 00:43:05 it feels like the owner is now running it that's car parked I'm not I'm not taking that. Listen, he has a no trade clause. There's too much instability. I'm out. We all should have no trade clauses, right?
Starting point is 00:43:17 It's a genius strategy. Should Derek Carr start for the Houston Texans? Park it. Four coaches, three years, total instability. Viewed as one of the weaker front offices. Now, they're trying to correct some things. They've moved off some people. Jack Easterby was highly criticized.
Starting point is 00:43:34 But I'd park the car. All right, let's go to... This one is interesting. I hadn't thought of it until right now. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Derek Carr. Again, warm weather. The taxes. Don't forget about the taxes. Everybody loves to bring that up. Mike Evans, Chris Godwin, a very capable...
Starting point is 00:43:49 Now, they're going to lose some free agents on defense. But I will say this. This front office has really drafted well. I mean, they've really drafted well. They also had an incredible amount of injuries, so the O-line next year is much better than it's perceived today. So I think that's an interesting one. Is Byron left which a big question mark for you? I don't know. I think Byron, I think for Derek, He has a no trade clause.
Starting point is 00:44:12 For Derek to say, I'll come. I want an offensive coach. Yeah. All right. Let's move to the Carolina Panthers. Should Derek Carr start there? Park it. Too much instability.
Starting point is 00:44:22 You don't know who the coach is. I do like a couple of their weapons. DJ Moore. I just think if I'm going to go to that division, I like Tampa's momentum. I like Tampa's got more stability. I think in the front office, I'm going to go with Tampa. Okay. Should Derek Carr start for the Tennessee Titans and your guy, Brable?
Starting point is 00:44:41 I think it's interesting. I don't know if the Titans want him, and I do, I don't know if they do. I will say that they may just look at him and say, we've got Tanna Hill, Tanna Hill, Tanna Hill, same guy. I think Mike Rable's a top five coach in the league. Excellent defense. O lines, I don't know where the O lines rank. Derek Henry, mostly warm weather.
Starting point is 00:45:02 Traylon Burks, the young receiver. He's talented. They have to go get another receiver. But it is a wonky division. You got Jacksonville surging. Indies am mass right now. Houston's a mess. So that's an interesting one. Okay.
Starting point is 00:45:13 New England, Patriots. Derek Carr. Parkett, don't have receivers. It's a defensive culture. No, thanks. I've only got time for two more. Derek Carr and the Washington Commanders. No. Parkett, 11 different starting quarterbacks since Kirk Cousins left. Complete instability.
Starting point is 00:45:31 Don't have the right coach for a quarterback. Let's end on a high note. Should Derek Carr start for the New York Jets? I like the roster. Yeah. There it is. Just get a left tackle with your first two picks. I think Miami and the Jets are very interesting.
Starting point is 00:45:46 Breeze Hall, Garrett Wilson. He is available. He's a veteran. Now, a lot of people think New York will chew him up. I don't know. I think Derek's tougher than people give him credit. He's a nice guy. He's a really nice.
Starting point is 00:45:59 Doesn't say bad words. You know what? Eli Manning's a nice guy. New York loved him. Derek Jeter's a nice guy. New York loved Derek Jeter. New York's not that tough. Win games, New York loves you.
Starting point is 00:46:08 Hour three next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes.
Starting point is 00:46:32 Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your performance. Podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.
Starting point is 00:46:51 Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey, this is Robert from the Stuff to Blow Your Mind podcast. Joe and I are both lifelong Star Wars fan,
Starting point is 00:47:16 so we're celebrating May the 4th with a brand new week of fun, thought-provoking Star Wars-related episodes. Join us as we tackle science and culture topics from a galaxy far, far away, such as the biology of tauntons and wampas on the ice planet hot, or the practicality and corporate business sense of the Sith rule of two. Listen to Stuff to Blow Your Mind on the iHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get. It's your podcast.
Starting point is 00:47:41 This is an IHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.

There aren't comments yet for this episode. Click on any sentence in the transcript to leave a comment.