The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Caleb Williams' breakout with the Bears, Cowboys better off without Micah Parsons, Greg Cosell

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

Greg Cosell of NFL Films joins the show to break down the impressive development of quarterback Caleb Williams and how head coach Ben Johnson has transformed the Chicago Bears offense into one of the NFL’s most exciting units in the NFL. Topics Covered: JJ Redick’s impact on the Lakers’ early-season success How LeBron James’ absence is fueling LA’s growth Jerry Jones’ Cowboys trade deadline strategy Why the Cowboys are better without Micah Parsons Greg Cosell on Caleb Williams’ breakout with the Bears See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Load it up on Bo Nix and the Broncos. They're just waiting for them to screw up. Over under on Gino's gets getting benched tonight. Would you give it two quarters? Because Aiden O'Connell was back practicing with the team. And he can't move. He's a pocket quarterback. If he plays, take Denver.

Gino Smith in primetime last year and this year, 0 and 5 against the spread, 1 in 4 straight up. The lights get bright, and Gino Smith shrinks badly. What is it with Pete Carroll and Gino Smith? You know, Brady didn't want Darnold. There were reports that Brady didn't want Sam Darnold in Vegas. You can ask Tom next time he's in. I was saying.

It seems to me Sammy's pretty good. You know, I'll say this. The one thing were pro athletes, their lives are like our lives, is that workplace matters. And for SOSGartner, there's this general consensus that the Colts and the Cowboys, they just paid too much. They gave up too much to get Soss Gardner and Quentin Williams. And when I see Soss Gardner and Quinn and Williams, I see excellent players who are in a bad work environment. And now these employees are going to go to very, you know, better situations. I mean, the Colts were missing a corner.

That's going to be a division winning team. Really talented guy in a bad workplace in New York to a better workplace in Indianapolis. And Quinn and Williams, from a bad workplace to a place he plays next to Kenny Clark. So I look at it and that's the one thing pro athletes and our lives are very similar. You can only do so much with a bad boss. Anybody that's ever had a bad boss or currently has one should sympathize with Quinn and Williams and Soss Gardner. Nothing works in New York. It's just a bad place to work.

You know, I was looking this morning, Quinn and Williams, six and a half years with the Jets. he got drafted by one GM, he got paid by another, and he got traded by another. Is that the most ridiculous thing you've ever heard? Well, the Jets got a bunch of draft picks. So what? That's like giving your loser brother money. He doesn't have any financial ability. I mean, seriously, giving the Jets draft picks is giving somebody with no financial literacy a bunch of money.

So what? They don't know what to do with it. I mean, we all got that person in the family that, you know, you don't want to be executor of the will, right? They're fun, their party time. You know, their name's Doug. You know, they're always got the funny sweater on Christmas. You don't want to give them any money. You don't want to lend them any cash.

So I don't care about draft picks. Who's the Jets coach, the GM, the quarterback, who knows? Here's Quinn and Williams on becoming a Dallas Cowboy. I can't wait to get the work because I feel like action speed louder than words. And this organization taking a chance on me and trading for me, give me the honor to come in and help this team win football games and do the best I can do to do my job. I mean, I don't mean to sound harsh,

but you can give people with no financial literacy a bunch of money that don't know what to do with it. You can give the Jets draft picks. I was looking at all the teams that have had, multiple first round draft picks the last several years. There's a lot of Raiders on that list. There's a lot of Carolina on that list. Cleveland.

Jets. The Rams have two first round picks next year. My guess is they know what they're doing. They'll move down. You know, they'll end up getting a third and a fifth, along with their two ones. It sounds harsh, but it's the truth. Greg Kossel, 46 years, NFL Films, is joining us live.

So, you know, it's interesting. If you look at Patrick Mahomes' career, his kryptonite, when they really, really look bad, it's not that the running game's not available. He's won Super Bowls with below-average suboptimal receiving cores. Travis Kelsey's had bad games. He's still won. He won Super Bowls with mediocre defenses. When he's getting hit and does not trust his protection, that offense does not look the same.

So was this just about scheme by Buffalo's defense, or was it Bosa and personnel? Why did they get to Mahomes for three and a half hours? I think it's a combination, Colin, because what Sean McDermott did, and just so I say right up front, I'm not a blueprint guy. I don't think Mahomes has had obviously great success in this league, and he's a great player, so it's not as if, oh, just do what the Bills did, and everybody's going to stop Patrick Mahomes. But in this particular game, what the Bills did was, They ran a lot of what we call hybrid coverages, where there were his own parts of it,

they were manned parts of it, and all you're trying to do is you're trying to slow down the processing for Patrick Mahomes, and that's when the pressure becomes a factor. And he did not really get out of the pocket very much. They did a good job of maintaining him, keeping him in the pocket. So in this given game, I thought it was very schematic in what they did on the back end with their hybrid looks, and therefore he couldn't really get a... sense of rhythm and he's not purely a rhythm player except when he's throwing the ball short so it just slowed everything down for him and then he took way too many hits i mean there was one of particular on

the sideline i don't think i've ever seen him hit like that yeah you know josh allen came into this league with so much horsepower and now he's become so incredibly efficient and we always sort of had baked it in gregg that if you have a big arm if you're big ben if you're cam newton we don't need you to be Kirk Cousins. You go do your magic. We'll give you a little on the efficiency scale. Yet, with Al and I get both. He can give me a 22 for a 25, and I get the horsepower. Why has he become so efficient? Well, I'm sure a lot of it has to do with him in the offseason. We know, I'm sure you know, Jordan Palmer, he's worked with him for years. And I think that he's, he's what would they call a rotational thrower. So when you're a rotational thrower, I think you have to really

work on that as opposed to being a linear thrower where everything is lined up exactly straight. When you're rotational, you can throw the ball from different angles, different ways, and I think you have to really become good at that. So now I think they also understood, and this is where I think Joe Brady did a

very good job when he became the coordinator is, I think schematically they've tried to rein him in to a certain degree, to allow him to play with a much more defined sense of timing and rhythm rather than just, hey, you know, You hear so many people say things about certain quarterbacks.

Well, let this guy be this guy. Let Josh be Josh. That's all well and good, but at some point you've got to play the game within structure. And you can argue that the bills offensively, and they do score a lot of points, Colin, that offensively they're one of the most structured teams in the NFL with the combination of their run game and their past game. And their past game at times actually, sometimes I feel like there could be more to it. But if you're going to score 30 points a game, I guess that's a tough argument to make. So Green Bay is the youngest team in the league.

Seattle's offense, Seattle's second. So Donald, when he leaves Minnesota, there were a lot of people that thought, okay, it's going to come down. He's not going to look like that. Well, right now, analytics tells you he's as good as any quarterback in the league. Are you surprised that how successful he's been in Seattle? We didn't even know if JSN was a number one receiver.

Like, are you surprised by what you're seeing? Yes and no, by the way, JSN, 80% of his routes this year, of his snaps have been as an outside receiver. And if you recall, a lot of people said when they signed Cooper Cup, what are they doing? They have two slot receivers. Well, they obviously knew JSN could line up outside, which he's done, as I said, an 80% of his snaps. But I'm not surprised with Darnold for this reason. He's really gifted, as you know. You know Darnold well.

But he's a certain kind of player. You know, he's not necessarily a sit back in the pocket, read it, scan it, see it all. So what Clint Kubiak, and Clint Kubiak is the one who wanted him, he sort of comes a bit from that Shanahan Kubiak tree of play action, play action boot, define the reeds and the throws, push it down the field off the run action looks. And that's where Darnold is really, really good. And he does throw the ball very well on the run. So it's a classic case of matching what a quarterback does really. well because he does have some things he doesn't do well of matching what he does really well with the scheme and you see how successful there's a perfect example

on that play action boot worked perfectly that got the long touchdown to Cody white by the way Rashid Sahid is a burner how does that how I mean that that feels like to me that plays into Darnald what do you project there yes well first of all there's very few guys in the league column that have what I call terrifying speed and he's one of them. And now they're a team that plays a lot with two tight ends, 12 personnel as we call it, two tight ends. So what happens a lot when you play that way

is you get a defense that sees the formation, the personnel, the formations, and they think run. So they play a lot with a single high safety. So now you're going to get an opportunity to really work the intermediate and vertical route concepts off shot plays, off run action, and you have to account for Shaheed. And now on the other side, you're going to have JSN. This is a real, that trade to me,

maybe it was overlooked by some people because Shaheed's not a star in the way we think of stars, but that may have been one of the most impactful trades that were made on Tuesday. So J.J. McCarthy, and we see this, we saw it with Caleb early in the year, very good on script. And then the last three quarters, not good at all. I said when I watch him play with me, Minnesota, I see a lot of Michigan, J.J. McCarthy. We're at Michigan, I love the coach Harbaugh. Right. I love some of the weapons, Justin Jefferson or Colston Loveland. And I love the defense, and I thought the defense against Detroit was sensational. And he makes about one to two big throws a game, J.J. McCarthy. Overall, I don't see him somebody carrying a franchise. But, you know,

again, I liked Michigan's supporting cast. I like Kevin O'Connell, Justin Jefferson, Jordan Addison, the left tackle, Brian Flores. What did the film say on J.J. McCarthy? Yeah. McCarthy, to me, has something that in some ways it reminds me of Alex Smith. And what I'm about to say, and this concerns me as he develops. He's what we call, Colin, I'm going to view a little tutorial here on quarterback mechanics. He's what we call a locked front leg

thrower. So when he steps in, he locks his front leg. So what happens when you lock your front leg, it's like running into a wall. You can't really transfer your weight. You don't get any core torque. So if you watch him throw, you'll notice that it looks like he's working hard to throw the ball. Now, I don't think his arm, just as an arm, is bad, but it limits your ability to drive the football because you can't really bring your core into your throw. And, There's been quarterbacks throughout the years like that. Alex Smith, as I said, is a great example. And based on what you said, you might think he's very much like an Alex Smith

and the way he's going to have to play. And by the way, Alex Smith, on teams he was on, won a lot of football games. So you can win, but I think it'll be interesting to see how his career progresses. But you're right. And by the way, Brian Flores did an unbelievable job in that game against the Lions. And you know what stood out watching that tape? The pressure in the A gap. And you know why the pressure in the A gap was so important?

Because you know what that did? It made Jemir Gibbs have to stay into pass-protect. And that may not seem like a big deal when you're watching the game, but therefore he's not getting out in space and killing them as a receiver. I don't know how many times I didn't count it. I don't know how many times Jamir Gibbs had a pass-protect because of A-Gap pressure. It had to be definitely more than 10. And that really handicapped the Lions pass game.

So I just went on a rant about the Jets. And when a workplace environment is lousy, and then you go to a good work environment, the same employee can be a different employee. Sauce Gardner with Robert Sala was excellent. In the last couple years, he's bad. Well, he didn't get, he didn't lose length speed, he didn't lose intelligence, he didn't lose any of those qualities. It's just a bad work environment. Sauce Gardner to the Colts. Chris Ballard told me years ago, we were texting.

He said there's a cornerback shortage in the league. He goes, everybody can find a third or a fourth great receiver. Nobody can find a second good corner. It's hard. They're not out there. So I like the move by the Colts. What do you make of it? Yeah, and that's why I think it's hard to look at what Gardner's done the last year, a year and a half,

because there are not many guys at 6, 3, 210 pounds that move like he does. You know, there's not a ton of those guys. So, again, we're not in New York. You know, we don't know the environment, but obviously it has to wear on you after a certain amount of time. But, you know, he'll obviously step right in and start and play. I guess they play overseas this weekend. But the Colts are a team that plays a lot of different coverage schemes. So it's not as if, foundationally, they do one thing.

And I think he's got the ability to pretty much play any coverage scheme that you want him to play. They actually have a very good defense, Colin. I mean, everybody's been talking for the most part about Daniel Jones and Taylor and the offense and deservedly so. And by the way, I didn't think Daniel Jones was as bad as maybe a lot of people fought this past week. But just talking about their defense, they've got a lot of good players at all three levels of their defense. This is going to be a real interesting team to watch. I want to talk, if I could, about DAC and Arizona on Monday night. Forget Arizona.

Jacoby Brissette's a pro. the Dallas defense isn't good. When Dak struggles like that, is it pressure? Is it coaching? I didn't think it was a good night for Dallas's coaching staff. And by the way, great coaches have bad nights. What did you make of Dallas's offense? Yeah, I thought it was a tough watch watching their offense.

And, you know, Dak, we've talked about this over the years. You know, Dak is a good player, no question. But at this point in his career, he doesn't have the same movement that he once had. He's essentially at his core now a pocket player. So he's a ball distributor. He's an executor of an offense. It needs to be in rhythm. It needs to be in timing. If it's not clear to him for whatever reason the defense takes it away, he feels a little pressure, then he's not going to play quite as well. It's just the way it is. But there are some games where he's really very, very good. He certainly is a veteran who sees things. But every once in a while, you know, I remember years ago, Ron Jaworski telling me that there's two games a year where you just don't see it the right way. And I got that impression watching the tape of him on the other night. It just didn't seem comfortable. He didn't seem like a comfortable player, and that can happen. And by the way, Arizona does have a defense that does a lot of things that can make it difficult for quarterbacks. Yeah. All right, there's two games this

weekend getting a lot of attention. One of them, Philadelphia at Green Bay. Yeah. So you got to be careful. Green Bay has lost to Cleveland, Carolina, but they can play with the best teams in the league. Does Green Bay match up with Phillies personnel? You mean overall, like the roster? Yes, I mean, when you look at what you've seen on film from Green Bay. Here's what I've said about Green Bay, Greg. They're a team with talent, but I don't know what they are. What is your identity?

I think they want to run, and they're not terribly effective at it. They haven't been this year. And Maddala Flore always wants to run because he comes from the Shanahan School. So he definitely wants the run game to be a strong foundation. nation. Last week was an odd game for them, Colin. They had eight possessions, they never punted, and they scored 13 points. That's a very odd game. Now, they had a fumble in the red zone, but the run game this year has not been what it's been the last couple of years with Jacobs, and it's hard to know why, but it just hasn't been the same. And I, look, I think Love's a really

good player. He had a really reckless interception last week, which he doesn't do very much, but it was a very odd game. If you look at Love's game on tape and then his numbers, they were fine. It wasn't as if he had a bad game. That's the interception. That was just reckless and undisciplined. But, you know, they're starting to lose receivers. We have always said, boy, they've got a ton of receivers, but now they're starting to lose receivers to injury. Tucker Kraft is out for the season. I'm really anxious to see from your old Nick of the Woods in the Pacific Northwest, Musgrave, because when Musgrave came out, he was hurt his last year at Oregon, but he was considered a really really big time prospect. I did his tape. He's faster than Kraft. Now, I'm not saying he's as good,

not as good. We don't know that because he wasn't used as their number one tight end. He will be now, but he's got a lot of juice to him. So I'm very curious to see how that fits into their offense. Also another game, the Rams and the Niners. Now, the Niners are plagued with injuries. I've always been fascinated when you can go get a puka, who I watched at Washington and VYU. And then he goes to McVeigh, and from the very first training camp, Stafford was telling people, this kid, this Puka kid is unbelievable. He's not the fastest guy. I do think he's physically strong. When you watch this Rams offense, how crucial is Puka? Now, over in London, he didn't play, and they used four tight ends. And Devonte Adams now is a growing relationship with Stafford.

Stafford had no camp. How important is Puka in this offense, and why does he excel to the level he does? Well, there's a couple of things going on here. First of all, the last two games, they've played, they've played a lot with three tight ends on the field, which is crazy. Last week, they had 35 snaps with three tight ends on the field. But I think McVeigh understands exactly what Pooka and Akua is. He's not what we call a true boundary X, where he lines up as the isolated or single receiver to one side of the field, and you let him just win one-on-one. He's not that guy. In fact, only two of his 198 routes this year have been where he's been an isolated receiver. That's why they went out and got to Vante Adams, because he is that guy.

That's how they use him. But McVeigh understands what Nakuwa is. They use him as a movement guy. They use him as part of two and three route combinations. They get him off the line cleanly. He runs a lot of in-breaking routes, and that's where he's so good because he's so physically strong. Yes. And he's a great player within the context of how he's used and what Sean McVe understands his strengths to be. I'm not sure, no matter what his numbers are, Colin, and I would think you would agree, I'm not sure anybody would say just as a physical talent that you're going to put him in the Justin Jefferson or Jamar Chase category, but he's a great player within the context of that offense. Yeah, fit matters in life and in sports. Let's do some Caleb Williams. We'll end

our segment on a Thursday here in the herd. First of all, what did the tape say? Let's just simplify here. What did the tape say with Caleb against the Bengals? I thought, and again, we know the Bengals are a bad defense, but that's not what I'm looking at. I thought this was a game, maybe the first one this year, where I thought the combination of looking at what Ben Johnson did offensively, and I said to myself, oh, this is a Ben Johnson offense. This is what we want to see from Ben Johnson. This reminded me of the Lions offense, seeing the same concepts,

and it was a game where I thought that Caleb really started to get a feel for those concepts. Now, there still throws where he's a beat late. There's still times where there's just a little too much freneticism in the pocket, and he gets out of there, and it just looks random. That's what he has to continue to develop. But I got to tell you, Colin, and you know this. I mean, this kid, particularly on the move, he's got a power hose now. Oh, it's incredible.

He throws as pretty a ball as you'll see in the league. But there's still work to do, but it just started. There were some plays in this game where I just fell like. like, oh yeah, this is the way Ben Johnson wants it to look. And I'm actually going to show one of those. And it's funny, I actually watch the Lions offense after I watched Caleb Williams this week, and I saw the same play. So we're going to go to this play.

This was a 39-yarder to Loveland. Okay, and this was in the second half. And this is Ben Johnson, a classic Ben Johnson play. You're going to see Williams under center here. And what they have here is 6-0-Line personnel. And this is something that the Lions did. it's something that Ben Johnson likes to do. And there's a tight end now up top, and it's closed to the boundary.

So it means there's no one wide to the boundary side of the field. It's closed to the boundary. So what you're going to get is a Dunesay and Loveland stacked to the wide side of the field. So this personnel, this formation, it says to the defense, hey, it's a run look. So it's single high. So now you're going to see what the route concept is. It's dagger. This is a Ben Johnson special.

It's an inside vertical by Adunze and a dig route by Loveland. So what you end up with is you're going to get essentially a two-on-two kind of matchup because you're going to get the corner playing Loveland, and obviously you've got the safety in the deep middle. Now, then you run play action under center. That's something else that's very representative of Ben Johnson. So you get the play action under center, which they're doing more and more of now, and that's critical. So you get that. Now what happens, you get a Dunzee.

He's going to get the safety out of there. So now what's going to happen because you only have the single high safety is the whole middle of the field becomes open. And you get Loveland. And by the way, Loveland can beat corners. And that's why he's running this route. So Loveland now works into a void in the middle of the field. There's no one there. And look at this throw.

I mean, this is just one of those where this is a beautifully thrown ball to Loveland. It's 31 yards. You see it really well from this angle. I mean, the ball comes out of Caleb Williams' hands beautifully. He just needs to be a little more consistently precise with his ball location, and he just needs to become a little quicker with how he sees things and how he delivers the football. But there's a lot of talent there. Greg Kossel on a Thursday, as always, great stuff.

Appreciate it. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. Yeah, I know you were all worked up on all the gifts that the Jets got, but even you would have to acknowledge is if you look at this league of teams that have had two first round picks it's a lot of raiders, it's a lot of

Panthers, it's a lot of Cleveland and that's my take is it's like giving somebody with no financial literacy a small powerball win they'll screwed up I mean I knew the jets were broken when they fired Sala as he was going to Buffalo with a chance

to be tied for first and Sala was the best coach on the staff. Right. And it's like guys, you got to identify, you have to self-scout. You have to identify in any business, who are the best employees, who are the weak spots. Sala was your best coach and you let him go. And to me, since that point on, I've looked at the Jets, it's like they just can't get out of their their own way. They can't even identify their own best employees. Yeah, that was a flub for sure. But listen, the Jets have crushed the draft before. I mean, a few years ago, Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Breece Hall, like they had an awesome

draft. He just didn't have a quarterback. Aaron Rogers let them down. got hurt. I don't know what you could do about that. So just because you've failed in the past, a different regime, I don't see why you shouldn't be taking more shots in the future. Come on. What's it? What's a Michael Jordan quote? I missed more shots than I missed more game winning shots than I made or something like that. I don't think that's it. Oh, you know, I'm close. I'm in the ballpark. Bottom lines, you've got to keep shooting. Keep firing. Don't give up just because you've failed draft picks in the past. Come on. You've got six months to identify a quarterback, less than that, probably like five to identify a quarterback if you want.

Or, Hold on, Colin, you could go to Giants route. Take a defensive player in the top three and take your quarterback at the end of the first round if you don't think there's one there. I think Mendoza, Indiana is going to win it. You're coming up to him, huh? Well, no, everybody now. Again, you don't know. You have to watch everybody. I think what's happening is Dante Moore, people like, he may go back to Oregon.

Mendoza is the play. Is Mendoza or Simpson right now? We'll see. I think Mendoza is a bigger show. stronger athlete. He's just smart. Have you checked his LinkedIn page recently? No, he's the kid. He updates that. He's a genius. Yeah, the kid's really smart.

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But I was thinking about this. Two days ago, I had a cappuccino. And forever I was a coffee guy. And I refused to go to these coffee places because they're so outrageously expensive. Then I became a cafe Americano guy. Rick Buecker said you should try an Americano like two years ago. I did. I loved it.

And somebody else the other day said you should get a cappuccino. This point forward, I think I've changed. I think it's cappuccinos or nothing. They're delicious. I even did it with almond milk. It's just terrific. So going forward, if you want to buy me something and just be nice to me, and you could just offer to buy me a cappuccino,

and I'd like you more for that. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the. heard line news. I was trying to think of something witty that you could buy me. I'll buy you cappuccino.

All right. Let's get started with the Baltimore Ravens, Colin. They seem back, right? They won back-to-back games. Lamar had 400, sorry, four touchdowns and 238 yards passing. However, only five rushing attempts. He didn't look 100%. He did address those rumors about the hamstrings saying he's being cautious.

The speculations of what I'm saying are totally different. I feel good. I feel like I did what I needed to do to win. Ravens 4.5 at Minnesota, really interesting game here. Nothing would surprise me. If the Vikings won this, but, you know, Lamar against the NFC, he's faced Brian Flores twice. I don't know if you remember the Miami game against Baltimore.

No, I think this is one of my favorite plays of the weekend is the Ravens minus four and a half. Again, this game is urgent. If I go into a game and I have to win it, and I go into a game with the superior quarterback who now is finally healthy. I get probably the better roster. Well, the Ravens defense is not great yet. Yeah, but J.J. McCarthy can't do anything. He can't.

He just wanted to Detroit and beat the Lions. I think. He made the key pass on third down and whatever to keep to end the game, basically. Back shoulder throw to Jalen Naylor. I mean, that was impressive. Why do you always like these quarterbacks who are a little small who don't quite have the arm. What are you saying?

Let's just move on. I know you're a little combative with this cold you've got. Let's move on to the New England Patriots. They were expected to be buyers at the trade deadline. Given that they're 7 and 2, they got a young team,

but New England stood pat, and Mike Vrable was asked about it. He's got an amazing quote. Here we go. Deals are like being pregnant. You either are or you aren't. There's no like it's either a deal or it's not. So I don't know how close you can.

be. I know that everyone worked hard. We investigated and looked in and made phone calls and what personnel departments do. And in the end, we decided that this was what we were going to do. I like them not moving. I think they're way ahead of schedule. Honestly, like the Col. Quarterback on the rookie deal, though, could you have pushed? I mean, the Colts are freaking all in.

For the record, most. trade deadline deals don't pan out. They don't. Most don't. That's why the smart GMs usually go small C plus B minus player. The Colts went all in. Now, I think the Colts look at it as we're really good in every unit. We got to have a number one corner.

And I do, there is something to be said, like Chris Ballard looks at it and thinks, okay, this Daniel Jones magic carpet ride does it last forever or does he have confidence we have the right protection we have the right young pieces so I kind of I like Ballard saying we're going for it. We're going to take a big swing here

and again I think Soss Gardner is a really good player but I think New England you look at them I think they're way ahead of schedule who's more likely to end up in the AFC championship Patriots or Colts? Because the Colts went all in the Patriots. Patriots. Interesting.

Because I think they have a better quarter. So why wouldn't you go all in if you really think they're that close? You know, my take is they spent a fortune on free agency. They spent like, I'm sure I'm wrong on this, $290 million in free agency. So they're probably looking at it thinking, listen, we spent our, we took our big shot in the off season. We'll do something if the valuation works, but we're not going to go big. Listen, when Christian Gonzalez plays at Corner, they don't lose. I think they're 6 and 0.

He's practicing this week just for that. I don't think, I think the Colts have more elite players than New England, but I think New England's way ahead of schedule, a year ahead of schedule. Anything on Patriots bucks. I know you love the Patriots. Well, the Bucks are still all beat up. I mean, it's amazing. Nobody's practicing.

Still not back. Godwin, not back. We know Evans is cooked. But they're off a buy. Yes. Teams off a buy this year. Are really good. I'm really good.

I'm a lot of numbers tomorrow. But it sounds like maybe you're leaning buck. here? Yep. I think under a field goal, yeah, I would agree. Finally, to the NBA, Colin, you know, the Dallas Mavericks, your pick to go to the, oh my gosh, NBA finals. So Cooper Flagg did not start at point guard last night, and they decided, oh, we're going to change things up,

we're not going to do, well. Also, Clay Thompson now coming off the bench, Clay Thompson, really on the struggle bus this season. So they started me, Angelo, I'm sorry, DeAngelo Russell. The Mabs lost to the hapless, winless pelicans. Here's Jason Kid. Yeah, okay. Jason Kidd.

Just looking at when we have a point guard on the floor, it's been all right. And so talk to Clay, as to this isn't a permanent thing, but can you come off the bench? And he was good. He was good with it. And so I thought him coming off the bench gave us a spark. That first group was, for whatever reason, a little tight. You know, everybody's trying to play perfect. You know, a Cooper's giving you about 15 a night.

He's playing good. He had one really bad game against OKC. Okay, take that game out, and he's closer to 18 a night. He's been really good. He had, like, this is always the case with young players. They have stinkers. They get into foul trouble. They just, it's a bad matchup.

If you take one OKC game out, he's giving you 18 a night. It's been a good player. We forget. Luca elevated everybody on that roster when he was there. Everyone. There's nobody to do that now. And Kyrie Irving ain't doing that when he comes back if he comes back. I don't think this is the playoff team, Colin.

in the West. I don't. Can we look at that Western... I mean, the West is so low. Dallas is probably... Have you seen a new Golden States losing to? Well, they didn't have anybody last night. They blew it against the Kings, I think.

Russell Westbrook talking all kinds of junk after the game. NBA's fun, man. There's just a lot of games. You can't get too excited. What was Wemby like in person? I was super impressed. Now, he got in foul trouble. So the new book on Wembe...

Here we go in the Western Conference. You do not see the Mabs in there because they're nowhere near the time. Lasers are a fun watch. They beat the Thunder last night. Nice win. So real quick on Wemby, what they're doing now is they're switching everything. They're not keeping a big guy on him. So like Marcus Smart's on him, Jake Luravia.

And when he gets it outside the paint, instant double team. And he's forced to give it up. I mean, he's not getting by two guys. He's still wiry. But the Sons did that this week, beat him. And now the Lakers did it. I think Wemby's going to see a lot of that. So how he combats the double teams, we'll see.

He means Dierrin Foxback, by the way. Really misses him. He's a good point card, man. Yeah, yeah, he is. J-Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News.

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts. We're starting a trend. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys?

I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this.

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Jenchian went. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lernerabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any surface. Because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open.

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You know, everybody, I always love the public. listen to the media when it comes to politics. The blue team's raising funds at a great rate right now. The blue team had a great early week. This idea that one political party is going to run this country for any extended period is complete nonsense. The public doesn't like extreme. The public can feel the economy doesn't feel quite right. And the blue team has a big night. Shocker. It continues to happen. Trust your gut. I always trust the people. I don't trust the people talking about politics, I trust the people voting on the politics. So when Ben Johnson got hired, people may forget this. Ben Johnson was offered another job.

He was offered a job and mid-flight decided to turn the plane around. I'm not going to take the job. And a lot of us, myself included, were like, are you going to go back to Detroit? Can you top what you're doing in Detroit? So Ben Johnson eventually takes a job in Chicago. And he took it for a large degree, not because they were particularly well run, but he knew the division, and Caleb Williams was super talented. And he thought to himself, well, I've got all this production with Jared Gough. This kid in Chicago's got more talent than Jared Gough. And so when he was with the Lions, Ben Johnson's offense was third in big place with Jared Gough. Now it's number one in the league in big place. And Greg CoSell came on 40 minutes ago to talk about Ben Johnson's

impact with this Bears offense. I thought this was a game, maybe the first one this year, where I thought the combination of looking at what Ben Johnson did offensively, and I said to myself, oh, this is a Ben Johnson offense. This is what we want to see from Ben Johnson. There's still times where there's just a little too much freneticism in the pocket, and he gets out of there, and it just looks random. That's what he has to continue to develop.

But I got to tell you, Colin, and you know this. I mean, this kid, particularly on the move, he's got a power hose now. Also, the Bears are second in the NFL in a rushing. I think Buffalo's first. So we always think there's a gap in quarterback play. But, you know, there's a big gap in coaching in this league. There's a big gap in coordinators and owners and general managers. And everybody that I've talked to texted in the league, they all think Ben Johnson is next.

level. Kevin O'Connell, McVeigh, Shanahan level, just a next level coordinator, and it takes time. But when you watch the Bears play, they've just got a lot of, they got a lot of jet fuel. They've got a lot, the ability to make big plays at any part on the field. And it's, again, he was the hot commodity in coaching, and he is delivered on it. Usually, you get seven openings a year in the NFL. There's always one guy that gets a job and you kind of know it's going to work. Like either it's a good organization, like Mike Vrable this year was obviously going to work. Jim Harbaugh last year of the Chargers was obviously going to work. Sean Payton two years to go to Denver. Yeah, that was a no-brainer. They had dead cap hell with Russell Wilson's contract.

Coaches matter. You've got to pay 10 million plus. So there's a lot of things you can go sheep on in business or in life, you can't on the coach. It's amazing to me. I'm trying to think of the best coach available right now. That's why I keep saying, keep your eye on Lane Kiffin. If I was the New York Jet to the New York Giants, I would consider Lane Kiffin. Jackson Dart loved him at Ole Miss. Reunite those two.

It feels like Lane Kiffin who coached in the NFL, but it was an older Al Davis, highly flammable, highly dysfunctional. Al Davis loved Jamarcus Russell. Lane Kiffin warned him. It's not going to work in the NFL and it didn't. Lane was right. So Lane's grown. I'm not sure if there is a great candidate. Some have suggested Bill

Belichick from Carolina. But I do think, and this isn't a shot at Bill. I think Bill's best days are over. I don't think he has the energy. And I think he, you know, Bill is a little like Jerry Jones right now, Bill Belichick, is that

they're only willing to do, there are stipulations to their performance. Belichick only wants the coach certain players. You can't have stipulations. You just have to get the best players. Jerry Jones, I'll hire a coach, but I want control. Well, you're not going to get control with Jim Harbaugh or Sean Payton. So the best coaches right now, the best candidates to me,

Mike McCarthy, who's a good B-plus candidate, it, Jesse Minter, defensive coordinator, who's got kind of a Mike McDonald's Seahawksfield, and Lane Kiffin. So one's a great college coach, one's won a Super Bowl, and one's a coordinator. But with the Jets, you've done the coordinator multiple times. It's not working. If I was the Jets, I would go get Mike McCarthy. I would go get a proven B-plus coach, give him Mendoza out of Indiana, and use those picks.

I think the Jets have to go head coach. You know, the other openings in the league, I wouldn't have a problem with Jesse Minter. So I'm not saying coordinators can't work, but in the Jets case, it's time to go spend some money, spend $10 million and get a pro. Couldn't you argue that Glenn, who was in Detroit with Dan Campbell, Dan Campbell struggled when he was hired by Detroit. Remember, they started like one in seven that one year before turning it around. You've got to give Glenn a little more time. How many coaches have the Jets had in the last like six years? Can't keep cycling through.

You've got to give him another year at least. You've seen nothing? They fought hard. He's not good handling the media. He's not good situationally. I don't see a lot I like. I mean, offensively just doesn't feel like he's got any say. He's still a Cubiak.

That's something to consider. I like a head coach. I like Mike McCarthy with a Jeff. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. I'm Nick, and guess what?

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