The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Chiefs offense is back, the Eagles and AJ Brown don't see eye to eye, Greg Cosell
Episode Date: October 2, 2025NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell joins the show to break down why the Kansas City Chiefs offense is back in elite form, and what's still going wrong with the Philadelphia Eagles Colin has some NFL apolog...ies to give outSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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It's hour two.
It is a Thursday.
You know, sometimes Thursdays are slow days for us, right?
There's no big games.
Thank God for these wild card baseball playoffs.
And games in New York feel different.
Nothing against Fenway.
It's nothing against Wrigley.
I grew up in the West Coast.
Baseball playoff games in New York because of the history, because of the pressure.
they just feel different.
So it was just magical last night.
I got to say this.
The greatest move by any commissioner in any sport ever
is Rob Manfred, Major League Baseball Commissioner,
instituting a pitch clock.
Two-hour-and-50-minute playoff games are fantastic.
Movies, they're better at two hours than three.
And I love the Irishman.
I love Scorsese.
But I don't have time to watch the Irishman
on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday.
Give me an hour-fifty movie.
You know, Adam Silver recently said a year ago, he's like, hey, I would reduce quarters to 10 minutes, not 12, and I think the audience would appreciate it.
I'm all for protecting athletes.
I don't need my athletes on the field for five hours, even golf, old guys, slow sport.
Pace of play is a constant issue.
Listen, I know a lot of you wake and bake crowd guys, you love a six-hour fish constantly.
concert. The rest of us have to go to work in the morning. I'm sorry. Years ago, Red Sox Yankees
played in the ALCS. I looked it up this morning. Brutal. ALCS years ago, 2004. One game was
over four hours, two were over five. Almost everything, Thanksgiving dinner with crazy
Uncle Eddie. Everything's better, quicker. Even holiday parties. So Monday night football, years
ago, I saw the numbers on Monday Night Football. It may have changed, but time spent watching
Monday Night Football was under two hours. Not everybody watches pregame show, post game show,
entire game. The baseball playoffs have been great. Pace of play is fast, it moves. And I understand,
playoff games are going to be longer. Baseball games now last about two hours and 35 minutes.
A playoff game is going to be two hours and 50 minutes or two hours, 55 minutes. I get it.
every outmatters, you go to the bullpen more, whatever.
But it's been just absolutely fantastic.
God, if the Dodgers had a good bullpen,
their games will be over in an hour and a half.
With that, every week at this time,
best 15 minutes, maybe in TV, 46 years NFL films.
Greg Kosell is now joining us live.
Rams Niners tonight.
Let's get that one out of the way because the Niners are all beat up.
I was watching Pooka Nekua last week.
Fifth round pick out of BYU.
you. And he's very, very good. I'm not denying that. He's strong. He's hard to bring down. But it does
feel like when you watch his historic numbers, some of this is fit. I said this the other day.
If you put him in other teams, I think he'd be really good. I don't think it would be like
this. When you watch film, how much a puka is fit and not just talent?
I think you're correct, Colin, because in fact, this week, because he leads the NFL and
targets with 50, and he's obviously been a very good player for the last couple of years since he
came in the league. So I looked at all his targets, and think about this. Only one of his 50 targets
has he been the single receiver to whatever side of the field he's on. He's always a multiple
receiver player. So they use him in motion, they use him in reduced splits, they use him in bunch
formations, they use him to what he is. And he's very, very good run after catch. He's so
physical and he's so competitive. But when you think of the great receivers, and I'm not saying
he's not, but when most people think of great receivers in today's NFL, you think of what
we call that boundary X, that single receiver to the short side of the field that just
can work one-on-one against anybody. He is not deployed in that manner. So he rarely ever, like
I said, one time this year, and by the way, it was a tunnel screen, only one time has he been
the single receiver to the side of the field that he lines up on.
So they play the Niners tonight.
I said the other day, I think Brock Purdy is still injured.
I think he's the ball sailing on him.
I don't think he gets the push off he wants.
I'll defend Brock Purdy.
If you're playing at 75, 80%, the ball doesn't come out the same.
That's what it looks like to me.
What does the film say?
I would agree with that.
I thought last week there were a lot of balls that sailed on them.
Again, we never know if that's due to injury or not.
But to me, they're much larger issue, quite frankly,
because Brock Purdy's a good player.
You know, and everybody wants to get into the Brock Purdy discussion on a week-to-week basis.
He's proven that he's a quality NFL quarterback.
Their issue is they cannot run the football.
You know, one stat we always look at as yards before first contact.
Do you know who's last in the NFL?
Christian McCaffrey.
He gets 1.47 yards before first contact.
And as good as Purdy can be or any quarterback for the most part,
if you can't run the ball at all, and particularly that team,
foundation of how they go about doing everything offensively starts with the run game,
and they've been unable to run the ball with any sustainability or any consistency.
Yeah. Let's revisit Jackson Dart. I thought it was good. What I liked about the game plan,
it was very intentional. They clearly designed plays for him to run. They kind of felt like you could
tell the Chargers O line was beat up. The giant staff felt like they would win some matchups
up front. It would be a pretty low-scoring game. So they were intentional. They wanted to win field
position. It wasn't a lot of big throws down the field. I thought he was good. I don't think he was
exceptional. What did the film say? No. No, he wasn't. And they played to what he is. They ran the
same basic route concepts over and over, and there was one of particular called Snag Flat that seemed to
be open every time they got zone coverage. It becomes a pitch and catch easy throw. They used his
legs. He was clearly in the pocket, a little quick to move. I don't think he saw things really well,
but, you know, this is to be expected in a first start. He's going to have to become much more
disciplined as a pocket player in order to become a really good quarterback. But, you know,
whenever I watch guys like Jackson Dart, it always makes me think of the balance between being
a really efficient pocket player and the ability to use your legs. And it depends on the
quarterback where you fall on that sort of spectrum, where you fall on that line. But he's clearly
in this given game, just his first game, he was a little quick to move. And then some of that is
mental. You don't see it the right way. And some of that is just physical because that's what
you've always done. All right. Let's move to Lamar Jackson and the Kansas City Chiefs.
Yeah. It does feel like, because they've got weapons, Lamar's been around this league for a long time,
but it does feel like
are people defending him differently?
Now, I will argue that Spags
has so many games against him
that the more you see of Lamar Jackson,
the better your odds are.
That's why he's been so great against the NFC.
You never see him, and all of a sudden
it's like, well, we can't even duplicate that at practice.
I think Kansas said he's got his number,
and I also think they're a little in his head,
but are people defending Lamar different?
A little bit.
And I think one of the things you're seeing more and more teams
do. Even Detroit did it, I think the week prior, is they're putting people on the line of scrimmage.
So now what your quarterback has to do, Lamar has to do it, is you've got to change protections
because you've got to account for people on the line of scrimmage. So what you do is you go to
six and seven man protections, then you drop people out. Teams are using a spy, but they're using
it a little bit differently, Colin. And I think this is an important point. The spy is a little
bit closer to the line of scrimmage. And because Lamar likes to run forward. He's not a guy,
like he's not like Josh Allen, who always seems to run to his right outside. Lamar likes to run
forward. So now you have a guy a little closer to the line of scrimmage. There's not enough space.
There's not enough room. Yeah, he might be a better athlete than the player who's spying him,
but he still needs space. And they're trying to really cut down on his space. Now, I don't know
if this is the first time anybody's done this. I can't remember every game in his career,
but, you know, sometimes things happen to work in a given week. I'm not a blueprint guy. I don't
think, oh, every team should do this and it automatically works. I guess he's going to be out
for a couple of weeks now anyway. But I think teams are always trying to tweak and come up with a
different way, show different looks, make him think through the play, make him react differently.
And it's been effective the last couple of weeks. So I kept joking with J-Mack all week. I said,
if you could just put Xavier Worthy in, it'll give him a deep threat, and it'll give him a guy
that can throw to eight times. I don't think he's a one, but I do think he forces you to defend
differently because of his speed. And it was interesting, they brought him in, and suddenly all the
underneath routes were open. So, again, I think when Rishi Rice gets back with Worthy and
Juju Smith and Travis, that's a real NFL offense. I don't think they run the ball particularly
well, but I do think...
No.
When I watched that game, I thought,
oh, that team can compete
for the Super Bowl. I didn't think that two weeks
ago. Right.
Well, it's funny you say that because for the last
couple of years, we talked about the Chiefs as being
one of the slowest teams in the league.
Now, all of a sudden, they're one
of the fastest. It's not just worthy.
Thorne is a burner.
Hollywood Brown can run. And keep an eye
on that back, Rashad Smith, the rookie from
SMU. You know, he was a college
receiver. I think it might have been in Miami.
and then he transferred to SMU where they made him a running back.
But this kid is another explosive athlete.
He's another guy that runs under 4-4.
So keep an eye on him.
They'll start using him more and more.
So all of a sudden, and it shows up in the way they're playing,
they are now again pushing the ball down the field.
They did not do that the last couple of years much at all.
And when they did, they were not very good at it,
even with Mahomes, who obviously can make any throw at a high level.
But now all of a sudden, they're one of the fastest wide receipts.
receiver units in the league.
Isn't that something?
All right.
Bills face New England.
I'm really interested.
I know the bills are the more interesting team to the country,
but I did feel that Drake May was a little less polished Justin Herbert.
I got to tell you, I like their run room.
They found a left tackle.
I think he looks the part.
They're not going to beat Buffalo.
I doubt it.
But Greg, I said this last year after about 10 games with Bowman.
Knicks. I'm like, that works in the NFL. I watch Drake May. I know it's early, but that that works
to me. I think he feels comfortable. He's accurate. I agree. They're not asking a lot, but you tell me it
looks like they found their guy. Well, first of all we have is what he's done up to this point. You know,
I always say this every week when I'm with you. You know, we're not going to talk about what's going to
happen in six weeks. We have no idea. But what we have right now, we have a poised, composed, comfortable
quarterback and there's two areas where he's been outstanding this year and i think most coaches
would view those as litmus test areas number one he's been phenomenal on third down Colin and he's
been phenomenal versus pressure those are two two critical areas for young quarterbacks most
young quarterbacks struggle with those two things uh those two situations and he's been phenomenal
so i really like what i've seen up to this point i think their run game needs to start becoming a little
better. You know, they've got some good backs. You know, you mentioned Will Campbell, the left tackle.
It's really interesting watching him, and I had this conversation with a really well-respected
all-line coach, and most all-line coaches are a believer in arm-length. They say that 60% of the
snaps, you can do everything right and you look really good, and arm-length isn't an issue.
It's the 40% where your technique breaks down, you have to be reactive, and that's where
arm-length comes into play. Yeah. All right. Every year I pick up.
a team that I think is significantly
better than the experts.
Last year it was Washington and Denver
the year before. It was the Rams.
People thought they were in a rebuild. The year
before that was the Vikings, so I've been in a role.
This year it was the Seahawks.
I think John Snyder is an excellent
GM. I think the last three drafts
have been outstanding.
And you and I have
both liked Donald for a long time.
When I watch them, sometimes Greg,
I do the sound down test.
Turn the sound down.
Get the announcers out.
Watch the speed and athletic ability of a team.
And when you turn the sound down with the Seahawks
and you just forget who they are,
that team has got athletes.
Jackson, Smith, and Jigbush, I'm sorry,
but that's a number one.
You're watching Darnold.
I don't know.
I'm not saying they're Philadelphia.
I'm not saying they have that roster,
but the film has got to say they're athletic.
They play with a lot of energy.
Do they not?
They sure do.
And what you really notice it, and yes, Darnold is very, very good, and he's played very well,
going back to last year with Minnesota, and certainly this year, and one of the things he does,
as well as any quarterback in the league, is throw the ball down the field.
But you look at that defense now, that defense is really athletic, they're very good on defense,
and a lot of people are probably not thinking about them as a really good defensive team.
And by the way, they haven't even gotten to play because he was injured in the preseason Nick Eminwari.
I guess he was an early second round pick, if I'm not mistaken,
and the safety from South Carolina, who I think within the context of how Mike McDonald plays defense
is going to be a really impactful player. So to me, this is a pretty complete team. They'd like
to get their run game going a little more, but I think it will because Kenneth Walker has a lot of
ability. But right now, I look at Seattle as a really solid team.
I want to talk Philadelphia. This is bizarre.
It's totally bizarre. They have had the two worst offensive halves.
not Tennessee, not Houston, not Carolina, not the Saints.
The two worst offensive halves of football have been the Eagles.
First half against the Rams, second half last week.
They're trying to get A.J. Brown the ball.
It worked against the Rams who don't have size at corner.
This thing is, this thing is, is it the offensive coordinator?
Is it the play calling?
They go into these holes where it's just a mess.
What is it?
It's a hard question to answer, but I will tell you this.
The offensive line has not played well this year, and the tape tells you that.
And I think the assumption, because it's been maybe the best offensive line in football for the last two, three years, the assumption just is, oh, it's a great all line.
Well, this year has not played to that level.
And Barclay, they're still giving him the ball.
He's got the most first down rushes of any back in the league, but he's averaging three yards of carry.
And again, yards before first contact is awful.
And Barclay is a little bit of a searcher and a looker when he doesn't feel that he has room.
So sometimes he leaves yards on the field.
But the past game, I mean, if I said to you, Colin, here's a team that can't, that's not throwing it very well.
I'm not running it very well.
You'd probably say, well, they can't be very good record-wise, yet they're 4-0.
They're just, the passing game just is not comfortable to me right now.
There's not a lot of clean looks for Jalen Hurts.
I don't feel like he's comfortable with what he's looking at.
Normally they work outside the numbers really effectively.
Jalen is phenomenal throwing the ball outside the numbers.
Other than the Rams game in that second half, you haven't seen much of that at all.
So I don't know.
To me, it's a mystery, but they're not very good right now on offense.
Okay, so coming out of the draft, I definitely did not like J.J. McCarthy as much as the GMs.
And I like Bo Nicks more.
So I watched Oregon and at Auburn, and I thought with Sean Peyton was going to work.
One of the things that I'm always impressed with him is that when it's a ball out into the flat,
and it can be to Mims, Sutton, Harvey, anybody, he puts that ball right out in front
so the receiver, the pass catcher catches it running.
They don't have to wait for it.
It's not a lollipop.
It's very Brady.
It is a tight spiral.
and that's an underrated skill.
He is really accurate, like eight, nine yards, just bang, bang, very crisp.
He was great against Cincinnati.
What does the film say on Bo Nix?
Well, it's funny you say that because 95% of run after catches on the quarterback, not on the receiver.
You just have to go back to Bill Walsh for that.
We all know that if you watch tape.
It's funny you mention Nix.
The first couple of weeks of this season, he struggled.
He was not getting clear pictures.
he reacted to pressure that wasn't there.
Sometimes it looked like he was inventing pressure.
He just didn't play well through the first two weeks,
which sometimes happens with a second year quarterback,
particularly after they've had success as a rookie.
But the last two weeks, he started to play better,
and I thought against Cincinnati, he clearly had his best game.
And I think he's a really solid player.
You know, you know me, I don't get caught up in his top five, top six.
You know, I don't get caught up in that.
But I think he's starting to play a little more comfortably,
a little more calmly, and I think that with Sean Payton, he gets set up in good situations.
And if you want, we can go right to the play of the week because it's going to be Bo Nix.
And it's just to me an example of really good coaching.
It's the touchdown he threw, which we're actually looking at right now.
We'll see it.
It's the touchdown he threw this past week to Cortland Sutton.
And to me, this again, it's just a really good example of coaching and how you set up plays.
And this is Nixon an empty set.
So what is he looking at?
He's looking at a post safety.
He's a single high safety.
And what does he see across the board?
Looks like man to man across the board.
So what's the route concept here?
And it's a great route concept for this look.
It's five verticals.
They're going to run five verticals.
So the matchup we want to focus on, of course,
is Cortland Sutton versus the corner.
That happens to be Dax Hill.
So now there's what you really want to do here
is you want to create distance between the post safety
and the corner that's playing Sutton. That's what you're trying to do. So how do you do that? You do it with
your receiver with Sutton who will widen his vertical stem. He wants to move the corner and expand
the corner. That's what he's trying to do. But then the other part of this is going to be on Boe Nix,
and we'll see that from the end zone. He's got to control the safety because he's got to create the
passing window. And you can see it from this angle. You'll see as he drops back that his head is
looking first to the left, then down the middle, and you can see the safety subtly slide into the
middle of the field. So it creates distance to create the passing window. These are the subtleties
of playing quarterback in the NFL that have to become second nature, because otherwise, if you don't
control that safety, he just slides right there and you don't have the throw. These are the little
things you learn and that become second nature as you play the position at the NFL level.
so good
46 years NFL film
Greg CoSell as always
thank you very much
thanks Colin
love it
talk to you next week
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you guys fired up for Yankees
Red Sox tonight
we have Ian O'Connor last hour
He's going to talk about that
It is
It is
You know it's just there are certain positions
in sports that I temper
my criticism
and baseball managers
are not setting the lineups.
A lot of work has done upstairs.
So, I mean, a college football coach
at a small market
will make more than Aaron Boone or Alex Coral.
Why?
Because the college football coach is so essential.
They do all the recruiting.
And baseball managers outside of three or four
of the top guys, you know,
they don't get paid a lot by their club,
and that tells you what the club thinks.
Is that, you know, the GMs now
are the guys pulling the strings.
So it's hard, you know, when, you know,
Ben Rice isn't out there.
jazz isn't playing. Well, it's
not really the same team.
But the analytics say,
you know, play other guys. So we'll see.
You know, J-Mack, I
don't, uh, you sometimes
you and I were critical
of athletes. Sometimes?
Sometimes.
Rarely.
Yeah, I, I, sometimes I, I,
I want to be the bigger man.
And so I wrote,
I'm old school. I'm,
I'm coming around the corner here. I'm
wrote some apology letters.
I went to the post office.
I know our government shut down, but the post office is still working.
I'm going to know, I wrote some letters last night.
I had a little extra time watching the Yankees Red Sox.
I want to introduce those around the corner.
You know, you get a little older.
You just, you know, you want to maybe get a little soft.
But, you know, stamps, post office still works for me.
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And, you know, I didn't want to eat hot dogs and, you know, crappy food.
So the new Yankee Stadium, it's got fruit stand, it's got 25 great restaurants.
But it's, you know, it doesn't quite feel, even last night, you saw all those,
empty seats behind the plate.
It doesn't quite fit. It's a much nicer stadium.
It has better amenities, but there is something
about old stadiums and the ghosts and
the history, and they kind of shake,
the camera shakes.
So, you know, I just,
when I watch the Yankees, it's hard to get away from
the George and the Billy Martin era.
What I grew up with Reggie Jackson and Billy Martin
in the feuding and the weird press conferences.
But I don't know who I like the nights.
young pitchers. I don't think
home field matters much. I think it's starting pitching.
Game one, Red Sox had
an ace. Game two,
Yankees had the better pitcher.
So who has to go to the bullpen sooner?
And then, you know, you can't make errors.
You got to take advantage on the bases.
But I did think jazz chisholm
playing like mattered.
Analytics guys,
you know, maybe in game one didn't want it,
but he mattered. Jay Mack with the news.
Turn on the news.
This is the herd line news.
Colin, we are talking about Aaron Rogers and the Steelers,
even though they're on their by week, three and one,
and they're on top the division.
Lamar's hurt.
Joe Burroughs hurt.
Steelers insider Mark,
shoot, I'm going to butcher his last thing,
so I won't even say, Kabali, Mark Kabali.
Yeah.
Listen, I don't know that I agree with him here.
He said Aaron Rogers has been the most important player on the Steelers.
I think he's team MVP.
I think he's an A.
You couldn't expect anything more from him right now.
I mean, forget that those are the tangible things that we can see.
But just how he's being able to interact with some of the players,
I think is something that none of us were able to foresee.
I didn't think he would be that type of a guy.
I mean, just look at that Minnesota game, Bob.
Was there a happier guy out there?
I totally agree.
This is where I'm going to agree.
this is an organization that has had no feel for offense
regardless of coordinator.
It's had no feel for offense.
I'm supposed to suddenly now believe after six years they can run the football.
I like Najee Harris better than the current running backs,
and yet they run the ball better now.
Why is that?
Hold it.
So here are the rushing total, rushing leaders for the Steelers.
Week one against my jets, Jill and Warren 37.
Then Warren had 48 the next week, then 47.
then Gainwell had 99.
So it's not really the running.
It's not Aaron Rogers.
The MVP is Arthur Smith, the O.C.
He is calling great stuff, Colin.
Let's be real.
He was there last year.
Yeah, but he's calling great better stuff this year.
He's adapted and changed.
Maybe some of its Rogers.
You know, if we're being honest,
luck is the real MVP for the Steelers.
They got lucky that the Jets fumbled that kickoff
when the Jets were dominating that game.
They got lucky against the Patriots
for five turnovers.
and they got lucky to face Carson Wentz.
Here are the quarterback.
Sorry, one last thing.
Steelers have beaten Justin Fields.
They lost to Sam Darnold.
They beat second year quarterback Drake May and they beat Carson Wetz.
Well, Drake May is pretty good.
He's a second year quarterback.
Come on.
They've been lucky, Colin.
Come around.
Stop giving Rogers credit.
He doesn't deserve it.
No, I think sometimes Aaron's done a good job
with an offense that struggled for six to seven years
and sort of
he's great on back shoulder throws
he's had about six key
back shoulder throws
I know PFF thinks
he's a bomb but that's because he's
not throwing the ball down the field
because he doesn't need
to because the defense is
stealing the ball he's winning the field position
game the Minnesota game
instantly you're five minutes in it's like
all right they leave they are
creating leads and field position
advantages and Aaron's smart enough to go
I'm going to make a couple big back shoulder throws.
I do not need to throw ball down the field.
Remember, they lost their left tackle and George Pickens.
You lose your left tackle and your best receiver,
and yet the offense gets much better with the same offensive coordinator.
Aaron deserves credit.
They come out of the buy and they face the mighty Dylan Gabriel,
followed by the immortal Jake Browning.
This is just cream puff stuff.
I mean, this is basically like Georgia in college football playing like directional.
old roast beef tech. Okay? That's what the Steelers are doing now. They're getting lucky.
I's Rogers. Oh, that guy. Next up, let's go to, oh, Eagles. Everybody loves A.J. Brown,
the story that won't go away. Brown is actually taking some responsibility for his tweet over the
weekend, saying it wasn't a shot at the organization and addressed whether he's happy in Philadelphia.
This is my home, man. I love it here, you know, but you just see frustration because, obviously,
We want to be great and most definitely I want to be great as well.
You know, I don't think it's a bad thing for wanting to ball.
It's not just for targets or anything to put numbers up.
But no, I see that we're struggling.
And I'm a guy that wants the ball in those times when we can't find a way.
Give it to me.
Like when the game's on the line, give the ball to me.
I want that.
I want that pressure.
I put it on myself, you know, and I work hard for it.
I have no problem with A.J. Brown at all.
None.
They're not doing anything well.
And he's like, yeah, I'm great.
Get me the ball.
He's right.
So when I start calling for The Rock here on the show, I'm like, hey, I need the Rock.
Keep me happy, Colin.
You're not A.J. Brown.
You're a good slot receiver.
Oh, gosh.
That's cold-blooded.
Final story.
Stefan Diggs, Colin.
He spent four years with the bills for getting traded to the Texans.
And now he signed with the Patriots.
Sunday, the Patriots head back to Buffalo in Diggs' first game back at High Mark Stadium.
Here's Josh Allen on the return of his former receiver.
We played them last year, so I don't think it's anything super crazy, but obviously being back in Buffalo,
who knows if the emotions are going to be heightened for him or for the fans or whatever it is,
but we're just going to go out there and try to perform the best we can.
Yeah, I don't need any additives to the Buffalo offense.
I think they probably need another safety.
Their back end isn't great.
I'll tell you, though, Buffalo and Detroit Super Bowl, I think would be the best one.
not sure I'm feeling it. I'm feeling more of a Rams. I'm feeling a Rams Super Bowl. I'm not sure
who comes out. Of the A.C. I think Buffalo is the best team, but I, now I watched Kansas
City last week. It was like hard not to be impressed with that. I kind of want to take the bills here.
I need to see if Milano and Oliver are back for the run defense. So you know that there's a lot of
scuttle butt in Buffalo about what happened between Allen and Diggs. There was a fractured relationship.
I would not be surprised here if Buffalo
kind of beat them down.
If they get their guys back to stop the run defense
because that defense stinks.
But it's just interesting that everybody seems to be liking
the Patriots in this spot.
An eight and a half point underdogs.
A division rival with a quarterback playing well.
You know what I like in this game?
I like if the weather's good,
keep your eye on the weather.
The over.
Yeah.
I like the over.
J-Mack with the news.
Well, that's the news.
And thanks for stopping by.
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I'm telling you, watching last week, watching Dante Moore chop it up, I'm thinking to myself,
and the Notre Dame's quarterback car looks outstanding.
All the guys I thought were going to be great have kind of come back down to Earth,
and it's these young guys.
So you and I were talking about this.
It's important for the Giants because if Jackson Dart keeps playing this well,
they need to see if he can play.
So like Russell Wilson struggling, macro, big pictures, good for the Giants.
Let's get Jackson Dart out there.
it's a tough schedule. He doesn't have a lot to work with.
There's no neighbors. He doesn't have to win.
Can he move the chains? Does he look the part?
Because, I mean, it was very, it was this time last year,
weeks four, five, six, seven, eight that we were like,
Bonix can play. It was the end of last year.
We looked at Drake May, weeks 12, 13, 14, 15, 16.
Oh, Drake may complain. Now, we knew Jayden Daniels early.
That was obvious. We're looking at Pennix now.
We're kind of having a judgment on Michael Pennix.
We're like, oh, he was awful. Oh, he was good.
Now, I think he can play.
But these are really big times.
These first eight starts, you don't have to win them.
But I have to watch and see moments and go, okay, that's a little magical.
That's confidence.
He's not overwhelmed.
Caleb, I mean, Caleb Williams, there are moments.
You're like, yikes, but there is no question.
He makes big boy throws that a lot of guys don't.
Yeah.
Let me ask you about this because I know the Saints are winless and Spencer Rattler's never won a football game.
but if you look at their week to week,
they're actually competitive in all their games.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And now they're facing Jackson Dart,
whose first road game, no Malik neighbors.
Listen, I don't advocate putting your after-tax dollars on the Saints,
but I like the Saints.
They're winning this game outright.
I'm just telling you right now.
Rattler's been okay.
Rattler's always had a good arm.
That's not it.
He's decent and throws under 10 yards
as long as he doesn't try the, you know,
hero ball stuff down the field,
which is he's a turnover machine.
But I like the Saints, yeah.
Yeah.
So, you know, Jay Mack, I do Colin Wright wrong on a Monday, but one of the things I always try not to be,
I try to be fair, even though I'm critical.
And sometimes people say, well, you kind of pick on blankety blank, and you're always harsh.
And I was thinking this morning, I tend to be old school.
I love to sit down and write letters.
I do it all the time.
Not long letters, but I like to write letters.
I love the post office.
I love stamps.
And so I thought, you know, I just, last night I sat down, watched the Yankees and Red Sox.
And I penned some letters.
and I'd like to share them with the audience.
Yes, cannot wait to hear that.
People I've been a little critical of.
The first one I wrote, I wrote to Aaron Rogers,
and Aaron doesn't like me, and that's okay.
A lot of people don't like me, but I wrote to Aaron.
I said, listen to your Aaron Rogers.
I was wrong to call you a snarky, prickly, weird uncle.
You are a balder, not a bailer, after all, my bad bro.
You've been magnetic, energizing, and resilient in Pittsburgh,
the rare eccentric quarterback who was pointing steel city out of the darkness
and in to the lights.
your CC.
And then I wrote another letter to Daniel Jones.
Dear Danny Dimes,
I said you were a bland vanilla,
unremarkable turnover machine.
I was wrong.
You're a steady, gritty,
you're bankable.
And now I'm coining you Danny Dollars
after minting your franchise valuable.
Yours, CC.
But I wasn't done.
I had to get a new pan.
I ran out of ink.
I got a new pan,
and I wrote another letter to Baker Mayfield.
Dear Baker, I once called you an immature, undraftable two-time transfer, a frat guy in commercials.
Well, it takes a big man to admit when he's wrong, and, well, I'm six-two.
You are undeniable.
A flag-planting rebel.
A team captain of a pirate ship, the walk-on quarterback forcing foes to walk the plank.
Yours, C.C.
I wrote some other stuff on the back of that, but I'm not going to show you.
Dan Campbell.
I wrote one to him, too.
My wife's from Michigan, so I knew the zip code.
Dear Dan Campbell, I laughed at you as a too much raw, raw kneecap-biting meathead.
And it turns out, chomping on knees is authentic and strategic.
And culture correcting.
With you at the helm, the lions are never down, even when it's fourth.
Your CC.
This one was tough.
This last one, I was pretty brutal.
I got to be honest.
It was tough.
And I don't know the area code in Dallas.
Zip code, excuse me.
I wrote to Brian Schottinimer.
I said, Dear Shottie, I called the Cowboys a two-win team after I saw your backwards visor.
It was a loss.
A lie, excuse me.
It was a lie.
Your two losses in a tie.
All right, that's being a smart aleck.
It's all going to change.
You're steady and adaptable.
You're stabilizing.
I'm sorry, Coach Shottnheimer.
You prove that a backwards visor
is just forward thinking.
Yours, C.C.
See, J. Mack, sometimes you have to sit down
and be pensive,
poignant, and tell these people,
listen, I know it's rough.
Hopefully they open their mail.
A lot of people these days don't even go to the mailbox.
Yeah. Is this the new, Colin, your Midwest sensibilities,
you're writing apology letters and week five of the NFL?
By the way, Schadenheimer, you should have just torn that one up.
There's no way that they're doing anything with that.
guy at the help no shot and quickly on dan campbell he was a little goofy at the beginning remember
he was he was they've turned it around we'll see if it continues one of one of the people uh in the
nfll that i've just always respected their opinion was bill parcels parcels parcells loved him and so i was
like oh come on bill she she comes you know what um i was told i think i've told this story a
couple times, so I'm sorry, but most of you don't listen all day. So I was told by a GM that I was
in the offseason, I was asking him about hiring coaches and how hard it is. Like seven new guys
every year, five don't work. You know, I mean, Andy Reader, Jim Harbaugh or Sean Payton,
that's the easy stuff. A lot of times it doesn't work. And he said, you know, you're really
hiring a CEO. He doesn't have to know schemes. If you get Andy Reeder, Shanahan, that's a bonus.
You don't need a scheme guy. You need a man who can stand in front of 55 alphas.
and lead the team over the hill,
create self-belief,
because everybody's hurt by week five.
Guys have to believe in each other.
That's very much Jim Harbaugh.
Harbaugh loves his players,
so his players will do anything for him.
And that's Dan Campbell.
And then that's what I've questioned with Mike McDaniel.
I don't question the intelligence.
He's a scheme guy.
But you can make it in this league
being a culture creator
and not good with schemes.
Well.
I don't, you can't,
uh... it there it's yet to be proven if you can make it as a great scheme guy
but your players don't really trust you or believe in you and dan campbell
i remember his first year and a half
they were bad
and i went on the air i think they played baltimore at home they lost and i was like
i don't think i've ever seen a team in the league play as hard as they do
they're getting they're getting hammered they don't have personnel
so i think you if you're a great c eo you don't have to be anything in the scheme
department
if you're a great scheme guy
if you don't have the ability, that was always the knock on Matt LaFleur.
Everybody knew he was a great scheme guy, but he wasn't the guy who had ever stood in front of the room.
And he's not a real big brash guy with a big ego.
Now he's become very good at that.
But I remember talking to a GM, they say he's super smart, but he doesn't have the McVeigh.
Like McVeigh walks into a room and he's just like, wow.
You know, Matt's kind of quiet.
He doesn't need to talk a lot, but he's developed into a great culture guy as well.
Yeah.
I mean, listen, it's tough because with Campbell, yes, I agree with everything you said, 100%.
But, Colin, there's going to come a time when there's two minutes left and it's 24 all, right, of the NFC championship game.
And all that CEO stuff that Dan Campbell brings to the table is not going to get you over the top and get you to the end zone, right?
You need the scheme.
So like most things in life, it's a little 50-50, maybe 60, 40.
You hire the scheme.
Right.
So Ben Johnson, as the OC, they take the, they make the jump to lights.
But early on in the Dan Campbell era, they weren't great.
They needed that scheme guy.
Now, have they found him in whoever their OC is now?
Johnny Martin.
We'll see.
I mean, listen, that Bengals game could be dangerous.
I'm seeing an injury report.
I know you don't like him.
Lions could be down both starting cornerbacks against Jason Higgins.
Philadelphia is a great example.
Siriani's more CEO.
He's not a scheme guy.
So when he had Steichen, oh, he looked great.
Yes.
Stuyken leaves.
He's awful.
He hires Brian Johnson.
It doesn't work.
then he hires
Callen Moore. It works.
Callen Moore leaves. They've got
a new guy in. Now it's not working.
So Siriani has been
incredibly dependent on
Howie Roseman's drafting, but he's
been as good. Nick Sirianney's an
offensive guy. He has been as good
as his coordinators because he's not
a scheme guy. He's heavily
rel- Now, he's hired a great one
that he missed. And they hired a better one
has he missed? We don't know.
but it's tough that's tough it's like drafting you don't know what you're getting some of these
oCs remember the Houston Texans two years ago thought they had their guy awesome OC's like the world off fire
a stroud he's gone we're slow it now what's he doing you have these guys did anybody ever think
tom cofflin would beat brady and bellichick in two super bowls when he was at boston college
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