The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Colin's new Herd Hierarchy, Jerry Jones is winning the trade, Nick Wright

Episode Date: November 25, 2025

Colin unveils his Week 13 Herd Hierarchy, ranking the Top 10 NFL teams. Where do the Philadelphia Eagles land after their shocking collapse against the Dallas Cowboys?  He doubles down on why Jerry Jones is winning the Micah Parsons trade and that he is owed an apology   Guest: Nick Wright See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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local station for the herd at fox sports radio.com or stream us live every day in the iHeart radio app by searching fox sports radio or fsr. You're listening to fox sports radio. Here we go hour two and a Tuesday. It is Thanksgiving week starting Thursday. Great. NFL and college football Ohio state in Michigan. Cowboys and the Chiefs, Lions and the Packers, Well, we do this every Tuesday. It's getting easier. I think we've reached the point. I kind of know what everybody is,

and I know what they're not. So let's not waste any time before we get the Nick Wright. Here is our herd hierarchy in a Tuesday. Third hierarchy. Time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. Number 10.

Okay, listen, I've got to put the bears in here. Eight and one over their last nine games. Their defense leads the NFL. and interceptions and takeaways. They have 24 takeaways. I don't think they're a great defensive team. But they take in vain. When the ball's in the air, they fight for it.

They're also the second-best rush team. Offense number six. I don't think Ben Johnson and Caleb are a finished product. This team wins close games. Same thing I say about Denver. There is value in that. Chiefs did it last year. I think teams that win close games are tight locker rooms,

bears at 10. Number nine. The Ravens. Obviously Lamar Jackson is not 100%. Brought pretty last night, no velocity, toe injury. He won't say anything. Lamar won't say anything. Fifth straight win, their defense right now since week seven is the number one defense in the league.

They're not pretty. They're out of rhythm. They're a little broken offensively. I always say I put Baltimore in the top 10 because I just respect the culture, the ownership, the coach, the front office. I don't know how good they are, but they make the list. Number eight. Green Bay. Here's what's weird.

For the first time and forever, it's just a defensive story. Their offense is conservative. Their defense is excellent. At home, opponents score 13 points a game. That's the best home defense in the league. They've held opponents under 20 points in four straight games. They have a pass rush. Their offense does not give it away.

This is rare. It's a boring Green Bay Packer team led by their defense. Okay? And we look at all these offensive receivers and all these stars, and we're like, oh, I don't understand it. It's just a different Packer team, but it's a good one. They're eight. Number seven. The Lions, third game with 200 plus rushing yards.

Shamir Gibbs is like fired out of a cannon. The guy's unbelievable. Their defense, though, major problem. They give up chunk play. They gave up 10 catches of over 20 yards to James Winston. But they can control the game. They've got a home run hitter in the backfield. They've got a culture creator and an accurate thrower.

They're unimpressive and uninspiring, not as good as last year. Number seven. Number six. The Chiefs. Listen, lead the NFL in yards per game. It's not pretty. Yeah, they could have been five and six, but they held the Colts. to season loaves in points, totally yards, and first downs.

They're good at home. They're not as good on the road because they're not a great team. But they're a good team, and they're one of four teams to rank top ten. Only four in the league. Top ten in all major, four major categories. Scoring offense, total offense, scoring defense, total defense. Well coached, smartly quarterback. I have them at six.

Number five. One inch behind Philadelphia. which like Baltimore has a broken offense. Jalen Hertz attempted 39 throws against the Cowboys. That's about double what people in Philadelphia are comfortable with. Nine of their 11 games have been decided by one score, but I can't hold it against them because that was the case with Kansas City last year. They have a culture, they've got athletes,

I trust them in big spots. They just had a disastrous second half against a hot cowboy offense, Lamb, Pickens, Dack, five. Number four. Seattle, the one team I would not want to play in the playoffs. Young, confident, aggressive, great on the road. Seattle, highest rush percentage in the league. And they love to throw the ball down the field.

Number three in point differential. They're going to go in as a wild card team, and they'll be the only wild card team that honestly, I mean, I would argue their roster could be better than the team that wins the division. They're a little more mistake prone than the Rams, but I have them at four. Number three. The Patriots played like crap and one on the road. That's pretty good.

The offensive line, now it's a little banged up, but they've only allowed three sacks over the last three games. They just don't have a fundamental flaw. If they score 20 points, they're 10 and 0. Best record in the NFL. I think Josh McDaniel, offensive coordinator, once again quietly, just like with Brady, is really, I mean, he is the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain for this offense. They just call and perform a really smart offensive game plan every Sunday.

Number two. Denver, here's why. There are certain stats you can't ignore. They lead the NFL with a plus 36-sac differential. They have the number one. ranked offensive line. They allow 4.4 yards of play, easily the best in the league. They get four and a half sacks a game. Now, way too many penalties, more than any in the league, I could see them beating themselves, they have terrible halves and are inconsistent. But there are stats in this league that tell me you're going to win multiple playoff games. Oh yeah, they got a Hall of Fame level head coach. Number one. I mean, honestly, the Rams. They're number one and everything. Seven of their nine wins have come against teams with winning records. They're

blowing people out. Tampa's not a bad team. They scored 31 in the first half. They don't turn it over. They never get penalized. They take leads. Number one scoring offense, number one scoring defense during this six-game stretch. Let me tell you some. Nate Landman, the inside linebacker, stole him from Atlanta. Devonte Adams' free agent stole him. I mean, it's just incredible what they've done. I mean, they went and got the corner from Washington. Forbes, he looks like a number one corner. What an off season of acquisitions for very reasonable prices.

There we go. Let's bring in Nick Wright. I'm interested to see what Nick has to say about this. I think Green Bay is hard to get your arms around because our entire life, Green Bay's been an offensive story. And this one, they're actually a defensive story. And we're all like, they're no good. No, they're good.

They're just different. anybody that jump out to you? A few things. First of all, good hierarchy. I like it a lot. I am a little surprised at the lack of inclusion for the bills with the inclusion of the Ravens. So I understand the concerns about the bills, you know, many of which I have been raising for five years. However, the Ravens have not played a six.

60 minute football game where they're good on both sides of the ball once all year. Zero times all season. And it appears whatever magic elixir the defense took to get good, they took it from the offense, which now is not good. And I'm not a doctor, but Lamar's injuries going from in chronological order, hamstring to knee to ankle to now toe, feels like now maybe after the toe there's nowhere else to go. He's just healthy. but that's concerning to me.

So I would probably put the bills where you have the Ravens. The Packers, the Devens is awesome. I don't trust Jordan Love at the moment. I know he's got a lot upside. I don't trust him. And I'm interested in why you don't have the Niners on their college. Okay, okay, a prime example. So you ever seen Brock Purdy's Monday Night Football numbers?

Five touchdowns, 11, pick, 75 passer rating. He is not a good cold weather quarterback. We know that. Seattle is going to make the playoffs. Philadelphia is going to make the playoffs. Green Bay is going to make the playoffs. Chicago's going to make the playoffs. And he's going to go on the road.

So my point is, I've never thought it. Let's be honest about Brock Purdy. You and I feel the same thing. Saul has done an unbelievable job. McCaffrey might as well be Walter Payton. He's the whole offense. If I don't trust your quarterback, at least early or late, I can't have you in. You feel that way, don't you?

Listen, here's the deal. I set you up to go on that rant just so I can be like, I agree with all of it. And you and I, you and I never, never wavered. When the lunatic fringe was like, you're just being unfair if you don't acknowledge Brock Purdy is a top five quarterback. That was said by allegedly credible people. Folks are like, oh, it's draft pick bias.

Why won't you give Brock Purdy as flowers? Oh, he's a bargain at 50 million a year. You and I held the line, Colin Cowherd. And now, last year we saw Brock Purdy without all the fancy weapons take a dip. This year, we got the real science lab experiment of, I don't know, what if you threw, God, call it Mac Jones in there. How would they do? And the answer is just fine. And now he's out here.

You know, this is his second in the last, less than two years. years. His second three interception half, this is his sixth three interception game in the last three years. Brock Purdy, when he was content being a game manager in the Shanahan brilliant system, was just fine. Brock Purdy trying to be like, I'm going to show everybody what I can do is a disaster waiting to happen. He threw three picks in the first half, and he was very, very, unfortunate, it was not five. If I were the Niners, because

here's the thing, as long as McCaffrey's healthy, Shanahan's calling plays, and Big Bob Salas dialing up that defense, they're scary. I'm one more purdy game like that away from going back to Mac Jones and dealing with the

contract stuff in the offseason. Yeah. How about that? I'm going to throw this at you. Is it possible? Now, I said when they traded Micah, I said, it's good for Green Bay. They need a closer because they lead games late. Dallas doesn't.

Dallas needs draft picks because look at Philadelphia, Rams, lions. They just don't have the players. Well, you look at Jerry now. They still have two first round picks. Don't need a quarterback and half the league does in the next draft, which is a quarterback draft. You can't run in them anymore because Quinn and Williams now looks like Pro Bowl Quinn and Williams. Kenny Clark's good.

They've got overshone back who was a monster at Texas and now is a monster. healthy with Dallas, and they're probably going to get Caleb Downs than an edge rusher. Do we owe Jerry an apology? They stole George Pickens. They got incredible value for Micah. Their pass rush is third in the league in pressures. Do we all owe Gerald Wayne Jones Senior an apology? No.

No, we don't. Because here's the other way to look at it. You're right. They do have, and you always do this. You're like they have two first round picks, which is true. but one of them is their own. They were always going to have one. So it's one additional first round pick

now that they've made the Quinn and Williams trade. My counterpoint would be this. Had Jerry's ego and negotiating tactics not cost them Micah Parsons, they wouldn't be in a position where they are 10% to make the playoffs despite having Dak Prescott playing the best football of his life

and right now up to this point, this season, the best wide receiver duo in football. They are, if I, I don't have a vote on anything for NFL awards. If I did, Dak Prescott would be my second

team all pro quarterback right now. It'd be Stafford, first team all pro, Dak Prescott's second team all pro, and they're 5, 5 and 1 because up until two weeks ago, they had the worst defense in football. So I don't think they had to have that.

And I still think if the net net of the trade is you traded away Micah and you got Quinnon Williams and one additional first round pick, which is it actually probably got a little bit less than that, but call it that, I think that's a loss for Dallas. I think Quinn and Williams is a excellent player. I think Micah is a Hall of Fame player, and I think that's the difference. So no, I don't owe Jerry an apology. George Pickens trade was good, though. And as happy as Jerry is about the George Pickens production, he's even happier that he now has, because they didn't have a star to get in a messy contract battle with this offseason, because everyone was locked up. And now they do. So that's kind of, you know, two for the price of one in Jerry's book.

Okay, I said this about Shadoor. I was surprised he dropped in the draft. I like my quarterbacks to be intense and obsessed. I just, that's my thing. They get goofy, they get a little Johnny Mansell or Cam or Baker or Shadour, who's kind of fun and a little loose. It's not my thing. But I will say this. He takes swings.

I watch them against the Raiders, and I'm like, well, that's the Colorado guy. Dylan Gabriel, I said this, nobody gets rich with a 401K. Dylan Gabriel's not even a 401k. He's the savings bond your grandma gave you. But you can't win being small and safe and making. coach is happy. I think there's value in the fact that the players like Shador. That's what I saw. What say you? I think this is a very simple decision that you start Shador if you can for the rest of the season.

And that's not because I'm a huge Shador guy. I didn't love him coming out of school. I said on this show when he was projected to go in the top five that I could see him slipping out of the first round. that Pittsburgh traded. People are talking about should Pittsburgh trade up for him? And I said, listen, I think he'll just be available when Pittsburgh's picking at like 21, wherever they were. So I'm not a huge fan of Shador the player. I actually, people are criticizing his personality.

I have less a problem with that. I have more a problem with. I just don't know if he is NFL starting quarterback caliber. With that said, there is a chance Shador Sanders is going. to be an above-average NFL starter for 10 years. There is a bigger chance, and I would put that at like 5%. There's like a 10% chance that Shador Sanders is just an average NFL starter for 10 years. I think there is, and I know this sounds mean, I don't mean it to, a 0% chance Dylan Gabriel's above-average NFL starter, and I think there is a close to 0% chance. Dylan Gabriel is a

longtime starter. Dillon Gabriel was drafted in my eyes to be a more than competent backup stop gap quarterback. That's fine as a third round pick. So if I'm Cleveland that has started 42 different quarterbacks in the last quarter century, I need to get as much info as possible on did we get, you know, a diamond in the rough, so to speak, with Chador. I would bet against it, but it's possible. I don't think it's possible that Dylan Gabriel is the Brown starter in four years. It's possible Shador is, so I'd want to see him play. Caleb Williams, it's remarkable to me that a team that's six and one in close games is on a heater, number two in rushing, number one in big plays, wins every close games,

is a seven-point dog at Philly, a team that's broken. the Bengals were a seven and a half point dog to number one seed New England without flack or Jamar Chase. It tells me the desert just doesn't buy Chicago. I'm sorry, but last night, Cuddy Carolina, without Warner or Bosa was a seven point dog to San Francisco. That is a massive number, and it's telling me the Sharps don't buy Chicago. What does it tell you? Well, listen, I think that maybe the public or Vegas, you know, one or the other, maybe slightly overvalues Philly's offense right now.

Because I don't think Philly's team is broken, but I think Philly's offense has massive issues. And while A.J. Brown is an awkward messenger, I think his message is correct. So I think that Philly should not be more than a six-point favorite over a good team. So the fact that there is seven-point favorite means Vegas isn't. buying that Chicago is a good team. And I understand they have a negative point differential, and that's obviously concerning, but they eight and three, and I don't want to be reductive,

but eight and three is eight and three. And more importantly is this, I do think Caleb has gotten better month by month. Is he still behind the schedule you or I would have set for him the day he declared for the draft two years ago? Sure. But I do think he is slowly surely improving. He's not taking the sacks anymore, even though he took one terrible one in the end zone on Sunday. And I, you know, I don't know where you're, it sounds like I know where you're leaning on this, but I like Bears plus seven. And I think Philly is in a precarious spot as far as they, last year when they were having issues on offense, they could just press and spam the Saquan button. Sequan's 450 touches, shockingly, are showing up looking like a player that had 450 touches.

So I don't know what the quick fix Philly has is. I know everyone's mad at the offensive coordinator Petulow. Luckily, their head coach that everybody loves nowadays, he's an offensive mind. Why doesn't he fix it? Sounds like the easiest solution. But so I like Chicago in this spot as well, Colin. So I saw kind of a veiled shot at me as your mentor. it was hurtful a couple of weeks ago on LeBron.

And so I said, and I was a little tongue-in-cheek. You're my mentor, but, I mean, you see, you know, my relationship with LeBron, I love you, Colin, but I mean, there is a loyalty factor of player. But go ahead. So I said, I know LeBron is smart, calculated, he'll walk in, it'll be fine, two Utah games, a lot of rest. I said, but here's the thing. Right now in the world, Luke is the best offensive player.

And I want his usage rate pretty darn close to four. 45%. He's in his athletic. Skinny Luca should have the ball in his hands 40% of the time. This is not Oklahoma City with a deeper roster. I want Austin Reeves also in his prime, and he also is a shot creator. I want him to have it about 25% of the time. That's it. That's about 65%, 70%, really needs it. My question isn't whether LeBron for a game against Utah or two can acquiesce. but at 30% usage is about what it looks like he should be. And I think over the course of a season, he's never been, you know, he's been at least tied for the best player on the team, usually easily the best.

Don't you worry at some point? LeBron could be like, hey, I ran the league for 20 years. Give me the ball. So I would worry about that if the following weren't. I'd worry about that if he still had counting stats he was trying to run down. He doesn't. He has all the records. I would worry about that if it's like, oh, man, I need one more All-MBA team to break the record.

No, he broke that record seven seasons ago. I'd worry about that if it were that he was still, you know, able to be in the argument for best player in the world. but he's not and he knows it. And so because of all of those factors, because he said himself a year ago, at this point everything is extra credit, and because he came back to the Lakers, A, because he still loves playing basketball,

there wasn't a better place for him, and B, I think he believes, well, we're not the favorites. We're not even the second favorites. But if something happens to Oklahoma City, and it's open, we're live in that spot, I think he will be fine with it. I also think for the Lakers being able to deploy quite simply the smartest player in the history of the sport as something of all, you know, jack of all trades, here's what we need tonight could be very, very valuable for J.J. Reddick. And so I am, and to be clear, I was not sub-tweeting you or taking subtle shots at you.

I think what I said was, and I quote, my dear friend and mentor, Colin Coward, is out of his bleeping mind on this take. I think that's what I said. It was not supposed to be like, wait, was he talking about me? No, I think you're crazy about that LeBron's not going to fit because LeBron can fit anywhere, and he said as much. And by the way, I'm going to be there. Maybe not quite with Colin Coward court side seats, but maybe just one row back of that Friday night to watch it in person. I'll be in L.A. for Thanksgiving.

So I don't know if you're in Chicago or L.A., but maybe I'll see you. But I'll give you an on-the-ground scouting report from Lakers Mavs on Friday night. I appreciate that, my friend. First things first, happy. Happy Thanksgiving to you and the fam. Nick Wright, thank you for stopping by. Yeah, I think there's three quarterbacks. There are either franchise guys, bridge guys.

like James Winston's a great bridge guy fun, capable, productive, little goofy to build around. But there's franchise guys, we know who they are, there are bridge guys, Bryce Young is starting to look and feel like a bridge guy, a starter for a year,

and then there's backups. I think you're getting to a point with Brock Purdy. He's somewhere between franchise and bridge, and last night he looked like a bridge guy. I think the people in Carolina won't admit it. I think Bryce Young's feeling like, a bridge guy. Like, I don't know if we can go all. Would you sign him to an extension? I mean, look at his password rating. Week to week to week. It's just all over the map. One of the things

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J-Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, we have time later. Ask me a question about Michigan, Ohio State. I have a crazy staff for you. But right now we got to go to the NBA, Colin,

because this is a big issue for the league right now. Injuries, this is not good. You know how quarterback injuries can rip apart the NFL? Star injuries are killing the NBA. Colin, there was an analysis done of last year's NBA All-Star team or all-NBA team. Half of the players from last year are injured in street clothes, out of action. Now, what exactly is causing all these injuries? Here we have it on the screen.

Look at all these stars who are currently down. And that does not include LeBron, who was down, is now back. But like Janus, Tatum, Halley, I mean, Wembenyama, like, it's really not great for the league. The games have been fantastic. On a nightly basis, the league is putting out a great product. Some of these guys are just older players. Curry, Butler, Kauai, Yonis. Curry's still an all- NBA player.

Butler's an all-NBA caliber player. I didn't say they weren't. They're older players, and they don't want to play 82 regular season games, and they have the power that they don't have to. So Steve Kerr is pushing a narrative that it has to do with the pace of the league. If you go look at, it's funny, nobody wants to do this. But that 80s, 90s NBA, go look at like a Michael Jordan game from the 90s. Slow.

It's walk it up the court, pound it down in the post. Jordan, 10 seconds with his back to the basket, dribbling. It's like boring and slow. You go to the modern NBA? It's pace and space so fast. You have to have a deep roster, which is why OKC is thriving right now. Best record in the league. They got like 10 guys.

No, I think you've got a lot of older stars. I mean, again, these guys have played in a lot of games. Bam out of Bayou, Joel Embed, Dame Lillard. Tatum plays 82 and he's healthy. Janice, Butler, Kauai, Curry, Anthony Davis, Kyrie Irving. So a lot of these guys are old guys, and so it doesn't bother me. but it, and I do think pace and space is the league, so I think Steve Kerr's onto it. Yeah, so tonight, Lakers paper clips, if you want to hop on the private jet and come out,

I can probably get you a ticket to it, Kauai versus Luca. We know that's always a great show, but listen, it's not great when your stars are down. I do think I'm with you, like sitting out a few games to rest up for the playoff. I got no problem with that, Colin. I'm with you. Let's move on to Mr. Pickens, George Pickens, one of the best stories in the league. in the league at wide receiver this season. He was an absolute heist by Jerry Jones. Congratulations.

And Jerry Jones seems to think they want this guy long term. That's two number one receivers. And that's just exceptional right at the time when, guess what? Our quarterback is probably the best that there's nothing that we can gain from speculating. And the bottom line is that we're in good shape. He's playing better than we could have even anticipated, and he's an outstanding. Let me emphasis this again. Outstanding teammate.

He's not wrong. Hicken so far. So far. When they offer him a franchise tag, he may not be happy with that. Well, somebody, we'll get to that in a second. But somebody on Instagram hit me with this and said, J-Mack, did you see that Pickens has more receiving yards than everyone on the Pittsburgh Steelers? The team he was on last year.

Combined. that is a little crazy. The one thing about Dallas and Jerry Jones, and maybe it's just the showmanship. Jason Garrett, offensive coach, Mike McCarthy offensive coach. Shottie. Shoddy offensive coach.

Jerry is leaning offense. I think the smart owners in the league see the value of that. And Dack deserves a lot of credit. He has noisy players in his career. Des and Zique and Pickens was. It's all quiet on the Dack front. Everything always works with.

Jack. Well, I'll just say this. Now let's get to the contract, Colin. Pichens ain't going to be happy with a franchise tag. And I know it's going to be like 28, 29 mil. He don't want that. He wants the long-term security. He wants that guaranteed money that Tyree Kill and all these superstars got. He's going to be ticked off at that, okay? And remember what ticked off Pickens was like in Pittsburgh? Oh, I know. Remember, we ran the plays. He would like, he's supposed to block. He would just jog out of the block and like pretend like he's blocking. He checks out pretty quickly. I would just, you know, be ready, Dallas, because this offseason could be rocky with the superstar pickings. Final story, Colin, is the Kansas City Chiefs and Patrick Mahomes.

You know, Mahomes was having a good year. He's kind of not been awesome the last few weeks. He is the only quarterback, however, in the NFL with a winning record in games that his team has trailed by double digits. Obviously, that's a great, you know, thing to have. When you're down, we have a little chart here of some of the other quarterbacks when trailing by 10 or more points. Tim Tebow, Otto Graham, and Tom Brady. Otto Graham. I don't think wore shoes.

I think they played in flip-plop. Listen, Mahomes is great in comeback mode. I don't know that I can give Mahomes all the credit for the Colts meltdown. I mean, listen, the defense stopped Indy and Indy stopped running Jonathan Taylor. You know, Stikin was playing scared. But whatever. Mahomes is a great comeback guy. Look at that line, Colin.

three and a half against Dallas. Oh, I like Dallas is good at home, but I like, I can't, I can't wait to watch that. That game's going to get 45 million people. I think it's going to get 40 to 45. I'm not crazy. I'm not kidding here. Mahomes, Dak, Cowboys, Chiefs. Well, there's nothing else to do.

I mean, 44 million people. So do you think Chiefs win this? Yeah. Interesting. Okay. No pick yet from me, but headlines, Maniana. That's tomorrow. banish.

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Top-rank, defending national champion Ohio State. Heads to the big house, looking to at Michigan's five-game win streak in the game. It all starts at 9 a.m. Eastern with a special three-hour big noon kickoff live from Ann Arbor. Then it's Michigan, Ohio State at noon only on Fox. Ryan Day, that a rough little stretch against Michigan. They're beating everybody except Michigan.

Here's a little Ryan Day talking about the one. Wolverines and trying to snap that losing streak against Michigan. I feel prepared, feel ready. I feel like the guys that we have going up there is a great group of guys. And we're going to be locked in, focused, concentrating on doing our job. And just can't wait to enjoy being together in another person, in other people's stadium. You know, I mean, that's, to me, something that's different than playing at home

and going into another team stadium and winning a game is. there's nothing better than that. Listen, if you go, they lost to Michigan last year, then they played Tennessee in the playoff. From that Tennessee game on to today, easily the best team in the country. Last year, offensively, ages look different. And this year defensively, they don't look like a college team.

So it's somewhere between pro and college. Linebackers, unbelievable, corners, safeties. I mean, when they went out to Seattle, like Washington, at home, couldn't even compete. It's a whole different. I mean, go look at that Arch Manning game. Like, they're intimidating people. You can't get off the blocks.

They, I mean, the windows are tiny. Matt Patricia, the scheme, I think Michigan is going to struggle to move the ball. Struggle to move the ball. So I like Ohio State. Everybody's always afraid to say in games like this, it's going to be a blowout. Michigan better fight like mad in that first quarter. order. Because if Michigan's behind and has to throw, it's going to get ugly. Michigan needs to score first. By the way, J. Mack, you said you had a great stat on this game.

So last year's game, Ohio State lost 13 to 10. I'm looking at the Ohio State box score. I'm going to read off some names for you. These were the running backs Ohio State had last year against Michigan. Cushon Judkins, he's currently starring in the NFL. Trayvon. He's currently starring in the NFL. They could do nothing against a Michigan defense. This was the Ohio State wide receiver room. Cardinal Tate, who's a stud and probably a first round pick this year. Emeka Ibuka, Jeremiah Smith, and Trayvon Henderson.

They scored 10 points, Colin. This is more about Ohio State's dominant. They got guys every year. If you go back two years, look at the depth chart. It's insane. Ohio State has way more talent. How are they coming in? up so empty in these last couple games. That's the only thing that scares me. I have, I have,

I'm afraid to bet Ohio State here. I'm afraid. Yeah, well, one of this is, one of us is not. But there's no logic behind it. I generally, I don't, I've bet this game a few, what is the number right now? The last year they were like three touchdown favorites practically and vomited all over themselves and lost. What's the number? I haven't even looked because I'm afraid to bet Ohio State. I mean, it can't be that big of a number. Michigan this year is better than they were last year. I can't unsee the Michigan game against USC. I can't unsee it. I'm sorry, I can't.

I will, I got to, this is one thing. I've been saying this, this week of college football is going to be crazy. It's just, I mean, starting Thursday, the games are outrageous. Lane can't, a lot of people that write for newspapers are old and cranky in no particular order. Sometimes they're cranky and old. sometimes they're old and cranky. But what's happening to college football, Lane Kiffin's right. It's now pro football on Saturday.

And this idea that Lane's not being loyal. The players aren't loyal anymore. Here's Lane on everybody saying, well, what will the players say? Lane, if you leave, you recruited them. What were the players? What about the players? And here's Kiffin. I've said it before.

It's a different generation, guys. I know it's different than, what we were in when players couldn't leave and players chose to go play for their home state a lot and all that this is a different generation they all can leave every year a lot of that is financially based and so they don't think the traditional way that years ago about their coach and what's going to go on with him next year that that's it's not how they think anymore they don't and he's right and it's up to college football to create rules where you can't poach a coach because be mad at LSU in Florida.

Don't be mad at Lane Kiffin. So I've been talking about this. Here's what's funny. Everybody knows Drake May is really good. Nobody doubts that. But the other two young quarterbacks that you're getting a ton of pushback on, Bo Nix and Caleb Williams.

Now, everybody and myself included, Bo got off to a choppy, choppy start this year. He regressed. Good against Kansas City, but he regressed. That's fair. They always call it sophomore slump. Everybody's got film. Defensive coordinators have an entire offseason.

Here's throws he makes. Here's throws he doesn't. Now, in fairness, Sean Payton's never been good the first four to five weeks of the season. So, I mean, some of that is Sean experiments. He puts a lot on the quarterback's back, and Bo Nix is still young. The other quarterback is Caleb Williams and his accuracy is under 60 percent. in four straight games. But in both instances,

the reason I defend both Bo Nicks and Caleb Williams, they're good late and they win close games. And there is value in that. I mean, yesterday, Bryce Young had multiple opportunities to steal that game. He couldn't do it. Look at Caleb Williams in November. This is worse weather, fewer of guys around you're healthy.

Caleb Williams in November is 4-0. Seven touchdowns, no picks, third highest rated quarterback in PFF. And I thought about this this morning. As quarterbacks over the last decade have gotten far more athletic. I mean, I grew up mostly, go five years ago, and then go back 10 years. It was Peyton. It was Brady. It was breathed.

It was a pocket game. As the NFL is changing and more. great athletes are playing quarterback. Should we not then judge quarterbacks differently on completion percentage? Now, I've said, I like my quarterbacks like I like my furniture, big and hard to move.

So I'd never bought into this tiny quarterbacks work. It's one of the reasons I'm not a huge fan of Tua. I'm not a, I was never, you know, I, you know, Johnny Mansell, I like Bryce Young. I like quarterbacks who are big, thick, trunky, and can play in cold weather and can take hits. But when I hear about completion percentage, I'm just, I'm asking the question. It's more of an analytical question.

When you grow up with Breeze and Manning and Brady and Eli, it was a different era. Now the position has changed. Now the offensive coaches are different. Now it's about going forward on fourth down and not kicking field goals. Should we not look at quarterbacks like Bo Nix and Caleb Williams, who are hyper, I mean, Bo Nix is the most underrated athlete at quarterback in the league. And Caleb's got all sorts of horsepower. So why should I be so beholden to 62 and a half percent completion percentage,

which has always been my sort of line. You can't be below that and be elite. I mean, go look at Andrew Luck. I loved Andrew Luck. Andrew Luck was sort of the starting point of maybe we got to get over interceptions, and high completion percentage rates. I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying, when I look at Beau and Caleb, all I gets pushback.

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