The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Don't believe the hype

Episode Date: August 30, 2023

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The herd rolls on. Colin is away. Don't worry, though. We got you covered. You can worry if you want, but it's not going to change the situation. I'm Ben Mallor. I host an overnight show at the Mighty FSR and the Great... Rob Parker.

He's doing double duty also. Double duty today, the great Rob Parker. The eye couple. Coming up. Seven to ten tonight. Seven to ten p.m. We play. You know what I mean, Ben?

We're working. We're worker. Well, it's talk radio. It's not. Come on, man. It ain't like digging a ditch. No, it's not hard physical work. Toughest job I ever had.

I was a shoe salesman at the Queens Center Mall on Queens Boulevard. That was the worst. That was tough, you know, getting shoes, kids slobbing on your foot when you were measuring their foot. I haven't had any real. You never had a real job? I remember the newspaper.

That was a pain in the butt because, you know, newspapers. What's a newspaper? I know. I just help me out. That's like, right, Rob? I mean, you tell people that. What are you? A dinosaur?

A boomer? A newspaper. I did that. I got a radio gig one time and they told me I had to sell spots. That's a kiss of death right there. Oh, my God. They gave me an office and a phone. I'm surprised your nose is not broken from having a door slam.

Oh, my God, Rob. What a nightmare. And yet, like, I look at the people in radio sales and these people have, they seem to have a great life. They make a lot of money, you know. Oh, it's a lot of rejection. They golf a lot. I don't know. It's like they don't work on Fridays, a lot of the people I've known over the years.

But when I tried it, man, it was brutal. Like, who are you? You know, what do you? No. Did you ever work fast food? I never did. I've eaten a lot of fast food. I feel like I have worked fast food.

I feel like you worked there because you ate there so often. I spent enough time at Burger King and McDonald's over the years in Wendy's where I had a whole, I had a rotation. Baseball teams have a pitching rotation. I had a fast food rotation. Of course, now I don't eat at all, Rob. Now I'm on this Fugazi Intermint Fasting thing. Well, thank you, Rob.

Not as good as you, though, Rob. Traveling the world. Rob Parker. If you don't know, Rob, you're the globe trekker, man. Every time I look at your social media, you're in a different city or country, it's wild. It's all seven continents. We're going to call it. You know what?

Later in the show, I got some travel tips for people. How about that? Yeah. Oh, you do. No, because travel is insanely expensive. It's only got more expensive. But you have figured out a cheap. code on how to travel all over the country and not go bankrupt.

Exactly. You got to know how to do it, how to figure it all out, so it all works together. You should start a YouTube channel, Rob. I told you that before. You did. Travel tips with Rob Park. That would be good. Let's do it.

I've tried to incorporate, I know what I talked about is earlier. I've tried to incorporate some of your moves, and I am completely shot down by my wife. I'm sure she will not travel that way. No, no. That's the difference. you're married, you have a female companion that will not allow you to lower yourself. I'm solo. I'm the divorce guy. I just do what I want.

You do what you want. I make these pitch. I, you know, here's what Rob would do. And she says, that's why Rob doesn't have a wife. No, she said, I love Rob. But, yeah, there's always the butt there. It's like, no, no. Anyway, we'll get to that. I love your wife. Yeah, no, that's great. What a sweetheart. Wonder was. You love you. And anyway, so, the Chicago Bears, Rob. Let's get down to business. year as we're in for Colin. The Chicago Bears were the worst

team in football because the Houston Texans won a game they weren't supposed to win last year. That was a great ending. Are you kidding? You enjoyed that? I love that. It just cost them the top pick. That's fine. So the Bears, if you pay attention to the buildup,

the lead-in to the NFL season, the Chicago Bears are on the short list of teams that have been puffed up, like a Pufferfish, that the Chicago Bears are going to be a lot better, and that division with Aaron Rogers not there in Green Bay anymore, the Vikings are good but not great.

And you look at the Lions, you're down on the Lions. I think the Lions will be okay. But it's a competitive division. So the Bears are going to be a contender, many people think. And the big point here is that Justin Fields, the quarterback in Chicago, is not only going to improve, but he is an MVP candidate. Rob, I am blown away by this.

I look at Justin Fields and I say, what are we doing here? I liked him coming out of Ohio State, and he's been a wonderful highlight, sizzle reel guy. It's been really good with the sizzle reel. But the reality is that his throwing of the football ball has been terrible. He was

statistically, if you look at some of the numbers last year, throwing the ball for the bears, he was horrible and I just don't see a... He's going to be better but for him to go from where he has been last year into MVP, rarefied air,

I don't get it. I think these people are talking out of their behinds with this nonsense. Well, it's just I don't know. People are looking for stuff to fill, over summertime, throwing out names, like I want to be as a cutting edge as possible so that if something happens, I'll tell you. Well, I get that. You're looking for the next big thing.

But the thing you did bring up about Justin Fields, I'll say this. It wasn't that long ago. People were questioning whether Jalen Hertz could throw the football consistently enough. I remember we had Anthony Gargano from Philadelphia, you know, the Pope down there. The fellas. Yes. And he came on our show. And this was last year. Yeah.

Not this past season, you know, the year before. And said that, you know, while he loved Jalen Hertz and thought he was, you know, just a great football player, he just questioned whether or not he could throw the football consistently to be an NFL quarterback. And then what happened in the year's time when you got him some weapons and some other things happened? He had an unbelievable year, including a tremendous Super Bowl that had they not turned the ball over, Ben, you don't know. They might have won the Super Bowl. I mean, that's how great he played. So can people improve and take another step

if the right weapons and scheme is put around them? Sure. Do I think that Justin Fields is in the conversation for MVP coming into the season? No, I don't believe that. But can he improve and play better? I saw Jalen Hurts do it in one year. You've got to admit that, Ben. There were a question more.

Here's the difference, though. And you're right. Hertz, I didn't think Hertz was going to be very good. I thought he'd be average. But he started at a better spot than where Fields is in Chicago. I got it. But there were questions as well, I'm saying. No, there is.

But the over-hyping, and this always drives me nuts. I guess we're kind of in the hype business doing what we do here. I'm not a hype man. But you got to earn. To me, you've got to earn it. And I just don't think he's earned. People are, they're pulling muscles trying to stretch reality. and I do not see it.

The Bears have a slightly better roster than they did last year. The other thing for fields, I see this with a lot of quarterbacks. This is also a thing that drives me nuts. I call it fact-shaming, Rob, where people rip. When quarterbacks get sacked, they always think it's the offensive lines fault. They never think, it cannot be the quarterback's fault. Maybe the quarterback held a ball too long. That's what I'm saying.

A lot of these, I look at a lot of the quarterbacks that are sacked at the very top. And, you know, a lot of, many times the sacks are because they, held on. They didn't get rid of the ball. And you can, I remember in the old days, Peyton Manning, who I ripped, but Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, the top quarterbacks all time have been able to, if they have an offensive line's got issues, you adjust. And Justin Fields hasn't gotten to that point. Now, maybe he will get to that point, but he hasn't gotten there yet, and he's going to get killed when you combine the way he runs the ball and all the sacks. The Bears will be on their third quarterback by week 10. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, do I think he could take a step? Sure, I do. Because I think you've seen that in the NFL. If you get people weapons and you improve the roster and you figure it out,

he has a year he watched what happened last year. And if you decide that, okay, I need to do these things and I need to figure out how much time I have with the offensive line and if I'm throwing a football, all kinds of stuff. So it's not inconceivable that he can definitely get improvement. Now, them saying that the Bears are winning the division, is that a part of this story too? Well, that there are a contender. I don't think of the Bears as a contender.

Do you have the Bears as a – to me, it would be a contender. You've got to win nine – round nine games. I don't think the Bears are going to win six, and the Bears are going to – Is that what the thing is? Well, you have the Lions winning about four games. No, I didn't say that. Come on. I did not say that.

You're taking a strong anti-Lions position. Oh, only because I covered them for 20. years. Is that what it is? Listen, I covered the clippers when they were dreadful, but they're a good team now. Things can change. Things improve. That's what I remember when you were covering the Cubs for those 108 years. That's what you said every year, right? I might have missed a couple of those years in

Chicago. Okay, I'm just saying, like, just be careful of assuming that things are going to be one way or the other. MVP, no. Can he make big steps and strides? Yes. That can happen, Ben. I just don't see the MVP talk. There's too many other quality quarterbacks and and it's turned into a quarterback

award. It's not a real MVP. You might as well call it to Cy Young of quarterback because that's really what it is. Right? Yeah. No, no. I mean the last who's the last one? 2012. Was it Adrian Peterson? 2012, I think. I mean, that's a long time ago. Yeah. No, no for sure. It absolutely isn't.

But as far as the Jalen Hertz thing, here's my, one of my issues. Like, Jalen Hertz, to me, that's the exception of the rule. But it's doable. It is doable. But it is the exception rule. Oftentimes, like, you start

out a certain way and most of the time it's not going to deviate from the path you've started on. Yeah, but look at where he went from people questioning, you know, if this guy could play consistently in the NFL to a

Super Bowl and no... Well, more importantly, he got paid. He got the big contract. And his numbers in the Super Bowl was suitable for framing. I mean, they weren't like he just was on the ride with the defense. He played great. Yeah, he did not have the tight-took his syndrome in the Super Bowl. The moment was not too big for him.

That one turnover turned everything, changed everything. But, again, I go back to the point. It's like, that's the exception. Is it possible? Sure, it's possible I could go, you know, a second head, but probably not going to happen. Probably not going to take place there in terms of that. I did want to mention here the Washington football team, I guess they called the commanders now.

Ron Rivera said something this week, Rob. And it caught my attention. Talking about the situation there in Washington. And I'm going to paraphrase. I'm not going to give you the exact quote because I'm not Ron Rivera, but I'm going to paraphrase. So they were talking about the quarterback and Sam Howell has played well in these practice games. and I hope he does well, but practice. I don't make any opinions on exhibition games.

But the gist of the Ron Rivera quote was, if I had known he was this good, we would have played him earlier, was the quote. And to me, I know Ron's had some health problems. He'd been away from the team a little bit, but that's, that quote right there, to me is a quote that, I own the team. My eyeballs are popping out of my head.

No, if I own the team, I'm going down to his office. in saying, can I have your key and clicker to the garage? I mean, seriously, like, to even say that, if I knew he was that good, I would be playing. Like, that sounds ridiculous. Aren't you watching the film? Aren't you talking to people? Aren't you watching them play? Even if you're not at practice, because Ron had some health problems, but even if you're,

you do have to, you're still, the head coach, you've got to keep track of this stuff. And you're the one, I'm not the one. I have strong opinions on everyone, Rob, but they're not paying me to make the actual decisions. They're paying him to make the decisions here. And so you talk about a good soft launch for Sam Howell, though. The Arizona Cardinals, the worst team that you could possibly have in the NFL, at least talent-wise. And that's the first game Washington plays. So if he does not get off to a good start, you're just like, what are we doing here?

My goodness. My goodness. Well, Rob Parker, you are ready to unload. one of the biggest names in the NBA ASAP. We'll get to that. We'll do it next. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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The herd continues. Colin is away for a couple days. You got me, Ben Mallor, today. And the great Rob Parker doing some double duty. If you can't sleep, if you have insomnia. or you're running away from someone and you're up in the middle of the night, I will be on the radio.

And Rob will be on just a few hours from now again. Seven to ten, the odd couple, Fox Sports Radio, Chris Broussard and I. Can't believe it been September next month. Chris and I will be starting our sixth year. No way. Can you believe that? I feel like we're in a time warp.

I can't, it's just time zooming by, Rob. Can we slow it down? I know. How many years have you been at Fox Sports Radio, though? Have you been on 18 years? No, it's over 20. Over 20? Well, they did get rid of me for six months and 26 days.

Just. The worst decisions ever made by the company, but they brought me back. So I have, yeah, I've been there since the, I was there when the network started a couple weeks after the network started Fox. They hired me to do a weekend show. Wow. And I've been like a cockroach where I kind of hang in the shadows and they don't even know I'm there most of the time. And so I just kind of hide in the back and all that. So the six months you were.

off, what was it, six months? Six months and 26 days. Right. How was that getting coffee for Jim Rome during that time? Well, I grabbed the vine. Is that what that is? And don't suck, right? I told you. Don't suck. And I'm wondering with a huge call. I was eligible at that point, but I did not do that.

So the NBA, they're going to be starting the NBA soon. Training camp. Is it about the playing tournament? Is that how we start the season? I'm just trying to figure out. No, I think they're going to play tidily winks to start and then they'll do something else. and they'll have a potato sack race

to begin the NBA season. So the NBA season is going, but we are in the period of time now, Rob, you know this, better than I, of the land of make-believe, if you will. There's been a lot of chatter out of Milwaukee about Janice Adentha Cumbo. Zentai.

And his future. You know you're good if you have a name like that and we know how to pronounce it. So he is, I give him credit. But anyway, so Janus has been great, MVP multiple times and all that, NBA champion. And every

indication we get from his own words, parsing the words of Janus, is that he's looking he's looking beyond the Milwaukee bucks, that he's got his eye, a wandering eye. So what is your position Rob on the situation with

Janus and the bucks? If I'm on, if I'm running the Milwaukee box, quietly I let it be known that Janus is available, Ben Maler. And I'm not waiting. I know he has two years left and then a player option. Okay, so there's two seasons under contract and then a player option. And he's already talking about, oh, well, let's see how committed they are and all this other stuff. Forget that

they signed his brother, right? They've done all that they can for him. They just re-signed Middleton and Lopez, right? So they're trying to keep the team competitive. Yannis didn't play that well in this past postseason. So Boudinizer got, right, got, got a few. fired. So the whole idea is, if you're the Milwaukee Bucks, don't let this guy dip out on you when he's ready to go and he's going to pigeon

hole you like Damien Lillard did to the Portland Trailblaze. Right? Because once he says, I'm not going anywhere other than Miami, trade value out the window, I can't maneuver, I'm stuck. And so what you do is you head him off at the past.

He's already talking about looking around and he's not sure. You don't need to be sure, Janus. We'll make it sure for you. Because what I would do is I got my championship out of Janus in Milwaukee. Thank God, Kevin Durant doesn't wear a size 13 because you wouldn't have that championship. He beat Milwaukee at the buzzer in a game seven, but he told was on the line and they lost an overtime. So you get your championship and you move on. The best deal you're going to get for Janice is the unexpected deal when you make them available and nobody thinks you would trade him.

It's now. It's not during the season. It's not at the end of next season. It's not into the second year where he's still on the contract because all he has to do is open his mouth and say, I only want to play for the Knicks. I only want to play for the Lakers. I only want to play for the heat. And guess what?

you have no leverage. Yeah, but this, if I'm on the other side of the aisle on this one, Rob. If I'm the Milwaukee Bucks, I'm going to keep Janus as long as he's contractually obligated because you're going to trade Janus for pennies on the dollar. No, you won't. You are. You're going to get scratch your tickets, lottery picks, who you don't know whether those players, the chances of getting a guy in the lottery that is as good as Janus, a multiple-time MVP, very slim.

Very slim. I'm not, I'm talking about a, you. Young player. Who are you going to get? Name a young. I can't think of anyone off the top of that I would want better than Janus. Who's in the prime of his career right now? Maybe you get John Moran.

Maybe you say to yourself, why? He's a young star. Why would the Grizzlies trade for Janus? Because he's not going to stay in Memphis. That's fine. But you might get him for a couple of years with the team you have. I wouldn't. And why does every star player in that business have to go play for the Lakers?

No. I'm tired of that. Enough. I just, there's a story out today. I just saw. always the Lakers and Nix are always mentioned. Here you go. This is bad news for your Nix, though. Because front office sports reporting

that Yannis is investing in a golf club in Los Angeles. So what does that have to do with anything? Because you want to play for the Lakers. Okay. Maybe he wants to play for the Clippers. I don't know. What about the clippers? Yonis has changed, though. We do agree that it seems when he came to Milwaukee the first couple years. It was a breath of fresh air

when he resigned. You remember everybody criticized him and said, go to Miami. You're dumb. Why would you stay in Milwaukee? you'll never win there. I remember everybody's shouting at him. You'll never win in Milwaukee. And guess what he did? He won.

No, I get that. But the thing, and I understand people change. He's obviously got a family now. He's not the same guy as when he started with the bucks. But when he first took off in Milwaukee, and he was on the launching pad. And he first started, you know, he was going to be that good. He became good.

I remember they were playing in L.A. And the media already was like, what about the Lakers? And I'm paraphrasing you, but he had a quote. And I remember it because I ranted about it on the overnight show about how, you know, he didn't want to play in the big city. He liked Milwaukee. He liked it.

It was not as much hustle and bustles at L.A. or New York. And he loves beer and bowling alley, so it worked in Milwaukee. But now it's, you get the sense, you know, he had the, I think he'd play in Afghanistan if they had a professional team in Afghanistan. He would go go play there at this particular point. And he had that cringe-worthy quote, Rob, in the playoffs last year, right? When the Bucks were eliminated and he says there's no failure in sports. And it's like, well, no, that's why we like sports.

It is failure. There's winners and losers. And in life, there's a lot of gray area. But in sports, there's not. Yeah, that went over my – I had no idea what he was talking about. No, there is a winner and a loser. That's why it matters. Otherwise, we wouldn't be doing it.

Yeah, but again, if I'm in the box, I'm like, I want to keep this guy. You're not going to get equal value in return. Totally disagree. I think right now is when you're in control and you can make a move to get some picks and a young player who somebody's willing to give that they have a team that's built that's ready to win now but they have a young star who say maybe isn't on that level as far as being mature enough you make that move but you work at a at a you work from a strength not at a disadvantage once he opens his mouth and says he doesn't want to go to certain places

Ben now you're getting pennies on the dollar because because you can't go anywhere that's what the Lakers did that to when AD came from New Orleans. It hamstrung them. Yeah. But, like, Damien Lillard is still for now in purgatory in Portland. Well, because what he did limited what the Trailblazers could do. I still think he's getting traded to the heat, though. I'm not so sure.

I think he is. I'm not. I would not give him up. You know why I think he's being traded, Rob? Because the NBA schedule has one TNT game for the Portland Trailblazers. and they happen to be playing the Miami Heat, which it's all scripted. Lillard comes back to Portland in a Miami Heat uniform, gets a standing ovation. They play a video vignette on the score.

What's the hold-up then? They're on vacation, these NBA executives. They're on vacation before the season. This is the time of the year. You know these guys go on, these exotic things. They're like you. They're going to Costa Rica. Kevin Durant asked for a trade too.

and Kevin Durant didn't get a trade because they couldn't get a viable deal that made sense. No, I'm talking about it last offseason. Sometimes it takes longer. Okay. And I'm saying if you're Portland, I'll trade you, but I'm going to get the maximum deal

that I could get to give up a player of his ilk. It doesn't make sense. And if Janice is already talking about going somewhere else instead, either Pavarale said something when he coached the Knicks, and I'll never forget it. Either you're in or you're out. There's no stress.

Rattling the fence, there's none of that. Either you're in with what we're doing here or you're not, and if you don't want to, I tell you, Ben, once your wife tells you, okay, she wants to date other people, I'm changing the locks. I'm changing the logs. It would definitely be a problem. What was?

That would be problematic. But it's like the old line from Rick Bettino. If Janice leaves, he's not coming back through that door, right? I mean, the boxer. That's okay. They got what they wanted out of him, which was a championship. The same way they got one out of Kuhim 50 years ago. go, you're Milwaukee.

You're not winning two or three championships. How dare you attack the great city of Milwaukee, Rob? That's a low blonde. I love Mary Tyler Moore's show. I mean, got a statue there. Right. And rightly so, but I'm just saying, oh, now it was Minneapolis. Was that Minneapolis? Yeah.

Minneapolis. Who's got, is it the Fons that has a statue in Milwaukee? Yeah, or Laverne and Shirley? That was set in Milwaukee too. But anyway. I remember, I was in Milwaukee last time, and there's an odd, like, Hollywood statue of some old TV show. But my point is,

The Fons. I'm right, the Fons. But the point is, you can't allow the player to pigeonhole you. Once he starts talking about other people and flirting with other situations is when I'm done. Thank you. Are you saying, though, that Yannis is going to go full James Harden and just... You don't know that. He's already talking about... He doesn't seem like that kind of guy to me.

Yeah, but he's already talking about other franchises, the notion that, Well, I got to wait and see if we're all in. This team just won a championship a couple of years ago. I understand. I understand. I understand. I understand. I know that it's like the Mike Tomlin quote, we want volunteers, not hostages.

Exactly. I understand that. But I don't think Yonis is going to be a guy that's going to quit like a lot of these other NBA stars when they don't get what they want. They just sulk and they're going to. I think Yonis will still, to me, as Yonis said, there's no failure in sports. He's just going to go out there and play the same way no matter what. And, you know, that's that. So you disagree.

I disagree. I wouldn't be afraid to make a move. Especially, it's different if Ben had you not won a championship. He said to yourself, okay, let's play these last two years out. I think we have a chance to win, whatever, whatever. That's not the case here where you have won already. And you can get a haul for Janus, especially if you don't go out and broadcast that you're trading them. You make a couple calls to people and say, hey, I disagree. He's available if you give me Joe Blow.

The problem is trades are supposed to be. They're not always like this. They're often not quid pro quo, right? You're supposed to give up something and get something. And if you're Memphis or these other medium market teams, you know Janus is not going to sign an extension there. So it comes down again. It's going to be the Knicks, the Lakers, the heat, the Bulls, the same golden state.

If I have a team that I think could win in the next two years, I'll take Janus for two years. Seriously, it's worth it. Ben, it's about trying to win a single championship. It's not about running a table or running a dynasty. Tell me, if you're Memphis and you get Yannes for two years and you give up John Moran and you win a championship in second year and any bolts, are you mad? No, you're not mad. As Toronto with Kauai Lai.

I know, I know. He's supposed to do that with the Clippers, by the way. What happened there, Kauai? My God, show up sometimes. Play. Play more than 40 games. 50 games. How is Janice going to turn down $173 million?

He's eligible for $173 million extension. We saw Juan Soto turned down $440 million, fully guaranteed. I would need therapy. How many contracts? Oh, my God. Is he ever going to get that deal again? Yeah, no, you're right. All right.

Listen, let's get you caught up on the news here and the great Ryan music. Headline news. This is the Heardline News. We're going to do a quick scoreboard check for those. At home, that's right. Rob Parker has taken a shot at the culinary delights of Cincinnati and the great city of Milwaukee. Are there any other Middle America?

I know. How about toasted ravioli in St. Louis? Do you hate toasted? I love toasted ravioli. You're not anti-toasted rafioli? Is that your position? Yes. I'm trying to think about Cleveland, Detroit.

What else am I missing? What is the Cleveland food? Is there a Cleveland food? I don't know if there's really Cleveland. Cleveland's all right, you know. Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I don't understand the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Why would you go on vacation?

Why would you go on vacation to Cleveland? Remember? Yeah. If the worst you have to say about Cleveland is that it's all right, we're already heading in the back direction. Yeah, that's a bad direction. I've been to Cleveland. I was there.

I was at a World Series in Cleveland back in the day. All right, let's turn our attention to college football, though with the most fascinating team this season could be the Colorado Buffalo's under Dion Sanders, turning over almost the entire roster, many labeling this as a culture overhaul. But Prime doesn't agree. Here's what he had to say about that.

Quote, I'm not welcoming to that word. That's all I heard when I was in Jackson. Culture, culture, culture, culture, culture. What the heck does that mean? I don't care about culture. I don't care. I don't care if they like each other. I want to win.

I've been on some teams where the quarterback didn't like the receiver, but they darn sure made harmony when the ball was snapped. I don't think what you have is unity. You just have to have good. players. We got Boy George on line one. He says culture work for him. A lot of money. A lot of money.

Yeah. No, I agree with Deon. I love the Deon Sanders. So I hope he wins. I think he'll be successful at Colorado. I'm pulling for Deion. I think it's a breath of fresh air. I think it's great. And I love how the whole college football establishment seems to be out to get Deon. They're really bothered by

Dion Sanders. A lot of these old line guys. I love it. And I agree with Deon. And you know, as an old baseball scrap. How many baseball teams hated each other, but they were successful. They were able to win on the field. And I know firsthand, when I covered the Clippers back in the 90s,

and they were terrible. But those guys, they had a bunch of lottery because they loved each other. They hung out all the time. They played video game. They had a wonderful. They went out clubs, and they sucked when they played. But there's other teams that don't like each other. The Lakers with Shaq and Kobe.

They didn't get along all the time, but they won. I always remember Arsenio Hall when he had his talk show. did a Clippers joke. He said the Clippers were the only team where 10 black guys couldn't play basketball. I thought that was great. I still remember that joke. It was a quality joke.

It was pretty good. But, yeah, I'm with you with Dion. He wouldn't be there if they were winning. If everything worked and all those players were great, he wouldn't be, he wouldn't have got the job, and you've got to change. You can't do the same thing and bring back all the same players that just didn't work.

So I don't have an issue with it. The other thing, too, about, you know, Dion and all that, he's already been a success. We're talking about Colorado Buffalo's football. Hello! They've been good in 30 years in Colorado. All right, back to the NFL. Matthew Stafford's wife, Kelly, made some waves when she revealed that Matthew is struggling to connect and gel with some of his younger teammates on her morning after podcast. The Rams head coach, Sean McVeigh.

He was asked about those comments. of the fallout sense then and here's what he had to say. I'm not concerned because I think if you know, Kelly, I took that as more of a joke at the old man. And I'll be honest, there's a couple throws that he made during training camp where I wanted to say yes, sir, to him as well. So he's done a great job being able to, I mean, if you watch and if you've come out to camp, this guy's done a phenomenal job of leading, connecting with his teammates.

I think it's one of those deals that becomes a fun narrative in a dead period. If anybody knows about connecting with people, it's Kelly, because I think she connected with a fan in the stands with a pretzel filled with mustard. Hey, he was a soft pretzel. It was a soft pretzel. Yeah, but she connected. I think it stuck to his head, right? She should be the backup quarterback for the...

Kelly, what has she been... She's got a podcast. Everyone's got a podcast. Even I have a podcast. Everyone's got a podcast now. Come on, she's got to fill content on a podcast. What podcast? You're the wife of a guy who makes $35 million.

Go shopping. What are you doing with a podcast? What are you doing? And then you're going to tell your husband, like he's 50s, man. You want to be famous, man. You want to be famous. He's 55 years old. I know.

He's 35 years old. He grew up with a phone in his hand. He texted his whole high school. What is this about? He can't connect with the players. You know what people do when they don't want to deal with you, Ben? What's that? They act like they're busy on their phone.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And maybe they just don't want to talk to Matthews. Stafford or they don't like them or there's a reason. So you go, when Stafford comes over, you go like, I'm in my phone or I'm doing, oh, yeah, I'm texting somebody. What is this about? Yeah. My takeaway, though, from Sean McVeigh, you think McVeigh right now is like, boy, I should

have taken that TV job. He's sure. That team looks bad. I hope the rain, you don't want to make any opinions on the exhibition games with the Rams look horrific. Like, they don't know how to tackle anyone on the defense. You're 100% right. That deal was on the table.

You won the Super Bowl. You knew, like, the. residuals of all the moves that they made was going to be bad. Yeah. You could have got out of Dodge and gone off on your white horse to that great TV job. Yeah, it's going to be a couple of years before the Rams are relevant, it would appear. And it reminds me of that the story with, we talked about it in our production of me, Brian Shaw with the Nuggets years ago. He had similar issues.

He couldn't relate? Well, at least he was older than the players where Matthew Stafford is not that old. He's part of the same generation. He's, you know, anyway. All right, straight ahead. Defending Cheapness in the NFL. We'll get to that. We'll do it next.

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So Bill Belichick, people still talking about this. If you didn't hear it, Belichick on his weekly radio spot in Boston on W.E.I. Belichick normally says nothing interesting at all. It is painful to listen to, but

Every once in a while, every once in a while, Bill will say something that has got some meat to it. And so Belichick this week on his weekly radio spot in Boston there, he was asked about the money and spending money. And, well, he then mentioned certain teams that spend too much money. Take a listen. Can't you create cap space by spending more cash and guarantees? So teams like the bills are... Temporarily, you can. You can't sustain it. No. I mean, you can't sustain the 20 years. the success that we sustain by overspending every year without having to eventually pay those bills and play with a lesser team.

So I think if you look at the teams that, you know, have done that, that's kind of where some of them ended up, you know, Jacksonville back in 14, the Rams are going through it, Tampa's going through it now. So I'm not saying there's any right or wrong with it. It's just a different way of doing things and there's, you know, there's the results for doing that. All right, so I totally disagree with Bill Belichick. And it's a good question, Belichick, it's like the Rams and Bucks are the bad guys. But they both won the championship by going for it.

And I look at Belichick, Rob, and I say to myself, this guy for the last 20 years, he's been protecting Robert Kraft, who has never been one of the top spenders as an owner with the Patriots. And my guys in Boston I talk to, they tell me, he's like, well, nobody really criticizes Robert Kraft. He's the beloved owner and all that. And Belichick, there's this perception that Belichick would rather coach guys that are lesser guys. He does not want to pay the big money guys because they're big eos and all that. But that's a terrible way to look at things. I want to work for a business that wants to overpay people.

I don't want to work for a business that doesn't want to pay people. and the NFL salary cap, I'm a salary cap truther, Rob. I've got a tinfoil hat on here. Are you really? Yes, I believe the salary cap is totally malleable and it's easy to manipulate and it's the only like any business, any business has a budget. I've worked in the radio business a long time and if they want you, if you're important enough to the radio station, they will pay you.

They'll pay you. Exactly. They always have money for people they want. And if you suck or they don't think you're very good, they will not pay you. So that's kind of, and it's no different in the NFL. So I hear Belichick go on that rant and I'm like, yeah, come on. It's ridiculous. And the Patriots, at this point, they have to spend money. And yet they are 31st in the NFL and cash spending heading into the season.

31st. There's only 32 teams. There's only 32 teams. This is a lesson to all these players and fans who get duped by this whole salary cap thing and not spending money on players. what they're doing to the running backs bend that tell you, oh, yeah, let us use you up for five years

and then we'll go get another younger player for no money. Like seriously, who wants to sign up for that? Josh Jacobs led the league in Russia and he couldn't get a deal, right? Like how is that you're asking people to put up their blood, sweat, tears, give up their bodies, right?

Get those extra two yards you need for a first down to help you win the game. It's the same thing like Jim Mersey in Indianapolis and what they're doing with Jonathan Taylor, right? Like, oh, yeah, we don't need you. We can take anybody can play that position. We can put anybody in your spot. Well, if that's the case, why don't you just release them?

Well, because he has value, right? That's why you didn't release them. Well, they treat running backs like disposable toothbrushes. You use them and then eventually you get a new toothbrush. How is that fair? How come you're not paying people? this whole notion, oh, Tom Brady took less. The narrative around Tom Brady is that he didn't have any players around him,

that they didn't spend money other than when they got Randy Moss on the cheap, right, because of what happened in Oakland? They never went out and got anybody. So what am I giving up money for or taking less than my market value? Patrick Mahomes, oh, we want to keep the chiefs together. What happened? Yeah. The other thing that drives me nuts.

They lose players. Ask Kelsey if he got paid in Kansas City. It works both ways. The Patriots have been so great, and they have a huge fanbiz, which is ironic because when I started doing the syndicated radio and we were on in Boston, the early days before the Patriots took off, there were all Giants and Jets fans there. They were not Patriots fans because the Patriots had stunk. And, of course, now everyone's a Patriot fan, but they make tons of money the Patriots. if you're a fan of that team, why would you spend the entertainment money that you have on a team that doesn't,

they're first of all, they're mediocre, and secondly, they don't reinvest the money. So not only you talk about the players and the gripes the players have about not getting a top dollar and all that, but then you also, from the fans' perspective, like, what are we doing when you're out there and you're essentially reinforcing bad habits?

And that also annoys me, The guys that post on social media call radio shows, and they're like, well, you know, we love that our team save 50 bucks. Why, who cares? I want it. It's not my money. What fan? That's what I'm saying. They're brainwashed into buying into that.

Oh, I wouldn't give that money. I don't want. What? Did your beer prices go down? No. From the savings? Are your tickets cheaper? Why would you ever stand on that defending team for saving money, Ben, when they don't pass the savings on to you?

Exactly. It reminds me the great agent Scott Borst, I'm going to name drop here, but he told me one time, he said, the player contracts have no bearing on the price of tickets or the price of concessions. And he was absolutely right. I know he's biased, but he's absolutely right. There's no correlation between how much a player's making and how much the price of nachos are going to cost or a soft pretzel or any of that stuff, right? It's just, they're totally different things. And yet generations of fans have been brainwashed here with this, Rob. Unbelievable. It's ridiculous is what it is. It's insane. from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

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