The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Final Herd Hierarchy, Nick Wright Examines What is Next for Aaron Rodgers

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

Colin gives his new Herd Hierarchy. First Things First host Nick Wright explains what he thinks the Steelers will do with Aaron Rodgers, reacts to Josh Allen and the Bills beating the Jaguars, and much more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Well, so many delicious topics. But let's not waste any time before we get to Nick. right. Robert Mays on our show in an hour. Here we go with our herd hierarchy. Heard hierarchy. Time is now. Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams according to college number eight. Listen, I'm going to put Chicago there. Season low in penalties and penalty yards against Green Bay. I didn't love Ben Johnson's night. I thought it was a little desperate in the first half. Try to get a little cute. But they played clean. They're seven and two at home this year. nine and two against teams outside of their division.

They're a great fourth quarter team. First win without a, without a takeaway. So there's a lot to take from it. They played a clean game. Caleb was remarkable, but losing their starting left tackle and linebacker, T.J. Edwards is going to hurt against the Rams. They are not nearly as athletic defensively, and it's not a great defense to start with without T.J. Edwards.

and their left tackle against Jared verse, I worry about the bears. I have them at eight. Number seven. San Francisco. Again, now you can prepare for the Niners without George Kittle. You're not losing him in game. Brock Purdy has a pick in four straight games.

I don't really care. What I care is if you look at Brock Purdy's had four game winning drives in six playoff games. That's what matters to me. They've won 11 straight playoff games in the wild card or divisional run. and that's, you know, a lot of that's Kyle Shanahan, but I think going into a game without Kittle, very rested Seattle team,

that is a lot to ask. I have them at seven. Number six. Denver. Listen, they're very, very good at home, and 11 and 2 and 1 score games, but there's no more Raiders. You know, there's no more lightweight offenses like,

like the Chargers. and they do lead the NFL in sacks and allow the fewest sacks. So I like the roster construct, but they've been held at 20 or fewer points in five of the last nine games. And I said this, I'm not so sure taking the week off was good for the young Seahawks or the inconsistent Broncos. I have them at six. Number five. Buffalo. I think Buffalo is probably going to beat him.

and I didn't think that a couple of weeks ago, but it was the first road win under McDermott. They've won six of seven games, and Josh Allen, listen to this. In his last seven playoff games, Josh Allen, 19 total touchdowns, one pick. He has a way of getting rid of the mistakes. They've got their push-push-push figured out,

which they didn't last year in the playoffs. And, I mean, I don't, I think their offensive personnel is better than I give it credit for, left tackle, quarterback, running back, A couple of tight ends I like, good slot receiver. I have them at five. Number four. But neutral field, I take the Texans.

They've won 10 straight. Their defense last night outscored the Steelers offense. I mean, Pittsburgh was playing well, and then all of a sudden they saw Houston, and they weren't. They outgain the Steelers 408 to 175. Nico Collins' injury is not good. Not good at all. But you know what, Woody Marks is healthy, Christian Kirk, C.J. Stroud. I got Houston at four. Number three. The Rams. I mean, they're beatable because I don't like their special teams. And they had nine penalties against the Panthers. They just couldn't lock in. And they're four and three over their last seven games. The key to beating the Rams is forcing turnovers. So they're 0 and three in games with multiple giveaways this year. That's the way to beat them. Get pressure on Matt.

Stafford, dial up a reckless play. They don't fumble a ton. That's the way to beat the Rams, because when they play clean and they are healthier than the Bears, they're 13 and 2. Rams at 3. Number two. I like New England. Everybody says, well, I mean, they're two and two against teams, you know, with winning records. Yeah, they lost to Buffalo, and they also beat Buffalo. I don't think, in a weird way, it reminds me a little of the Brady Belichick Patriots. I don't know what their whole is, but they're not great everywhere. I never thought Brady had the best receiving core. For a brief time, he had the best tight end core. I never thought the Belichick Patriots had the best pass rush or the best linebacking

crew. But they spread the money around and there was nowhere they were weak. And that's how I look at the Patriots. Now that Will Campbell is back at left tackle, two running backs I like, there's nothing to pick on with New England. I have them at two. Number one. And I have Seattle at one. Rest advantage over the Niners. Eight wins by 10 plus points coming off a buy. They have not allowed a hundred-yard rusher in 26 straight games. You have to throw the ball to beat Seattle. And Brock Purdy, when he's got to throw the ball 40 times, and Seattle will get a pass rush. and there's no kittle underneath the throw it to now, that's when you can get Brock Purdy in trouble.

That is my herd hierarchy, and with that, Nick Wright, we'll get the first stab at it. He is joining us live. Yeah, I mean, when I look at the Bears, I'm like, they could not afford to lose a left tackle, or they're really one linebacker that's active, and they lost both. They could have lost a wide receiver.

They could have lost. It's not that they're a bad, team. They didn't play clean, but man, that Rams team right now is really healthy. I think anything, take your shot at it. Listen, I agree, given the injuries, I understand where you have the Bears. I also think what they have working for them is they are the only team in this tournament that if the fourth quarter starts on Sunday or Saturday and they're down two scores, they feel totally fine about it. The stat of the year for the Chicago Bears, Colin, is

the NFL other than the Bears, down 10 plus with five minutes remaining, is 3 and 159. The Bears, down 10 plus five minutes remaining, are three and three. What for everyone else is a 5% shot, it's not even a 5% shot for everyone else. For the Bears, it's a 50% shot. shot and Caleb has shown how specially is late in these spots, but that's a long way of saying, I agree with you. The left tackle injury, the defense was already shaky.

That was more to me. I understand the Bears' defense stepped up in the second half. It also was a culmination of a season worth of bad offense for the Eagles for finally coming to, I'm sorry, for the season where the bad of, for the Packers of the injuries and everything, then being able to stop them. but that I agree with you on the Bears. The Texans are a little rich for my blood, Colin, which is that as great as that defense is,

I thought CJ was brutal yesterday, and I don't trust the offense. The Steelers did nothing for 45 minutes, and it's 7 to 6 entering the fourth quarter. The Steelers were right there, so the Texans are a touch high, but other than that, I like where you're at on the hierarchy,

and I thought that the Patriots, able to win with Drake May playing his worst half of the year was very, very impressive. Okay. It could have been the last game for Aaron Rogers. How will you remember holistically Aaron Rogers' career? What a great question. Listen, I think he is one of the five most talented quarterbacks ever. I also think that you can find specific, three huge spots in the playoffs where the defense left him drawing dead, where they allow

44 points to Matt Ryan's Falcons in a conference championship game, where they allow 45 points to Kaepernick when they score 30 plus, when the Niners in a conference championship game, score, I think 37, maybe more, but I know they only threw the ball eight times. There are instances where Aaron defenders could rightfully say that that's not on him. Yeah. But there are also instances where in those biggest spots, be it the famous game against Seattle with the onside kicks, where everyone remembers the onside kick and the Russell Wilson throw.

What they don't remember is Aaron was brutal throughout the almost entire. entirety of that game, and it was really remarkable the Packers were leading near the final moments for the comeback, or the game against Brady, where he had the brutal first half in the conference championship game and then couldn't get it in score from inside the red zone with a couple minutes remaining. Yeah. Everyone remembers the Two Hail Mary game to force overtime, and then he never gets the ball. Well, maybe they don't remember is they were in that spot because that Packers team had

14 points, 59 minutes into a game against that Cardinal team and he hadn't played well. He wasn't at his best in the biggest spots consistently. And I think part of that was, Colin, a little on display last night. Like, I'm not going to hold last night against Aaron Rogers legacy-wise, but the things you saw last night, which was the almost hyperbolic body language, letting everyone know it's someone else's fault and what felt like icing out his best player after the one drop in D.K. Metcalf, we have seen those things throughout his career leading up to it. So it's a complicated legacy. He's one of the four greatest regular season quarterbacks ever. He's one of the five most

talented quarterbacks ever. He has four MVP's. And so this is a compliment and also probably a bit of a dagger. I look at his career as underachieving given how great he was. It's really remarkable that in his second, third years of starter, they get to the Super Bowl and win it. In his fourth year as a starter, they're 15 and 1, and he's damn near the unanimous MVP, and he never got to another Super Bowl. I have a hard time believing it, but I think some of the things that made you forever skeptical about him early on far earlier than me

maybe hurt him in some of the bigger spots. Yeah, three former Packers have told me to my face, you know, having a coffee or a cocktail that he's moody. You're never quite sure which Aaron shows up. But I also can say simultaneously, he's smart, he's a little prickly, he can be a little condescending,

but he can also be amazing, and there's as many teammates that love him that are turned off by him, and that's kind of the complexity of life. So, you know, the way I look at Josh Allen, and I think Caleb Williams is like this, is I don't, sometimes people, yesterday I talked about the gifted child syndrome. I said, you know, you hear about occasionally like one out of a thousand kids, they're gifted children. And they're like at 12 years old, they're still putting their pants on backwards, but at 13, they're taking advanced college calculus. And so the rules are different. Like with Caleb Williams, I'm like, I'm going to get over the completion percentage. he does stuff that nobody except Josh Allen can do. And Josh Allen's probably better at it. And I said, I don't know what to make of Buffalo's first half offense.

And I think Josh is the most talented football player, period, I've ever seen. I'm not saying best quarterback, most talented football player. How does that land for you? Well, I mean, you know how it lands for me because. Poorly. You know, I could be really mean here and be like, man, you sure are damaging your relationship with your dear friend Tom Brady. Because that's now two guys in the last two years that you've elevated past Brady. Because you told me Mahomes was the most talented football player you've ever seen.

Now it's Josh Allen. Brady's holding on for a bronze medal spot. I don't even know what happened to your guy, Tom Brady. Here's the deal. And even in your commentary, you're like, Caleb makes throws that only other Josh Allen can make. Listen, I understand Patrick had a bad year, but his games were on TV in Los Angeles and Chicago, right?

Like, we have seen him do these things. So part of this feels like an attack on Patrick because he had the audacity to have a downseason after making five out of six Super Bowls and winning three of them. With that said, Josh is an all-time great player. And I got annoyed at, this is like, meta-media conversation, but going into this game, it felt like some of Josh Allen's biggest

fans were trying to lower the stakes for this game and set it up to where like it would, that expecting Josh to find a way to get a wild card round victory over the Jacksonville Jaguars was asking too much and being unfair. And I didn't feel that way at all. And the reason that commentary bothered me as much as it did is because if you lower the stakes, if you lower the risk, you lower the reward. That was a big spot for Josh Allen. These are a massive postseason for Josh Allen because of who's not there. This is a clear path as far as the other legendary quarterbacks for Josh Allen. It is all in front of him, which makes that throw to Brandon Cooks, all the more impressive, which makes the fact that he basically played a perfect game

on Sunday against a really good Jags team, all the more impressive. It makes the fact that two years ago in the playoffs, he had the ball in his hand down three to win the game and couldn't come through. Last year, ball in his hand down three to go win or tie the game, couldn't come through. this year, ball in his hand down four, and he does that. That makes it greater. That makes it better. The way someone with legendary talent becomes a legendary player are these moments. He has been the second best player in the league for a half decade.

The best player in the league is not there. I understand it's not basketball, but the bills are not the Washington generals. They have the rushing champ. They have the best offensive line in the playoffs, arguably, or at least top three, and they have a top five pass defense. They have bad receivers and a bad run defense and a superhuman at quarterback. That team can go win a Super Bowl, and it is not asking too much of Josh Allen to say, we want to win or lose, what you did against Jacksonville,

even if it's not that prolific against Denver, that level of execution, that's what we want to see, and I think he can do it. I think the Super Bowl is going to be Rams Bills. I said going into that Jags game, I thought the winner of that game was going to go to the Super Bowl. Josh is a special player who could be on a special run, and I believe in him. Now, the greatest quarterback I've ever seen, or most whatever, however you phrased it, that's a bridge too far for me, but he's the best player in the tournament. We'll see what he can do.

Okay, so I said this. yesterday in the show. I said, Patrick Mahomes, if you're really honest with yourself, has had back-to-back years he struggled. Is it because Andy Reid or Travis Kelsey or, I mean, he's been doing it with Hammondagina wide receiver units? I said, no, his O line stinks. And it's like bottom seven in the league.

And I'm like, he's been blown out twice in Super Bowls. The reason Brady wasn't, one of the reasons, Dante Scarnacia. Brady never had a bad old line, ever. He didn't have the greatest, but he never had a bad old line. line. Is this a Justin Herbert defense? Is this a long bridge for Justin? Oh, my. So Justin Herbert's got the 32nd ranked offensive line. PFF came out last week and said, no quarterbacks ever want to playoff games since we've been a company with an offensive line like that. Okay. And yet, have they scored more than three points? What about that? What does PFF say about, what does PFF say

about the fact that Justin Herbert, I understand. Yeah, I mean, it's never his fault. It can't be his fault. Did you see him at the combine? I mean, the guys were armed talent. I mean, how we're six years in, Colin. Yeah. He has the second lowest passer rating in the history of the NFL in the playoffs. The second lowest. You know who has the lowest? Andy Dalton. And I've heard people compare Justin Herbert's on this trajectory. Peyton Manning Manning. or Matt Stafford or Matt Ryan. Through six years, he has a hell of a lot more in common with the career of Andy Dalton than the career of those legendary players. And I understand the offensive line stinks. But the offensive line sunk all year. Yet for the second straight

year, he had far and away his worst game of the season in the playoffs. For the third straight time in the playoffs. His defense put him in great position. Whenever we hear about Herbert not having any help, nobody brings this up. In his three career playoff games, his defense has forced 10 turnovers. Ten, that is the most turnovers forced by a quarterback's defense in a three-game losing streak in the history of the NFL playoffs. Only one quarterback in the last 25 years has had their defense force more than three turnovers in a three game playoff losing streak stretch.

It was Chad Penning 10, who's defense force 5. It is not unfair to say we now have a growing trove of evidence that this guy for all his talent and ability and measurables

has simply played his worst in his biggest spots and has played 10 consecutive F-minus quarters of playoff football. And everyone who knew the Chargers' offensive line situation, if I had told you the New England Patriots were going to have six points at halftime, Drake May was going to have his worst half of the season,

the Patriots were going to have nine points through three quarters. Do you think Justin might be able to come through? Everybody would have said yes. Everybody would have been on board with it. And now, after the fact, when, and now that we've seen the all 22, he has guys running open. We're like, oh, man, once again, he needs more help. Once again, we need to fire this coach or fire this coordinator. It's, if Patrick's Brady and Josh's Peyton and Lamar's Big Ben and Burroughs Phillip Rivers,

somebody's got to be Andy Dalton. It might be your guy, Justin Herbert. I'm just telling you. Okay. Finally, you know, I don't like my quarterbacks at the podium, hat on backwards. I like him to be like Jalen Hertz and buttoned up, and I like him to be Dak Prescott.

I will say, Nick Seriani, jay Brown, I'm like, it's too juvenile. Yes, of course. It's just insane. The fact that we have to have a security guard, sometimes between the coach and players, would you move off Siri on? Listen, he won the Super Bowl a year ago.

I know they're not going to. I also know that this is always a good test. If the Packers fired Matt LaFleur, Colin, how many of the open jobs would say, we don't even need an interview. If you'll take our job, you're hired for Matt LaFleur. Maybe all of them. That every job would call Matt LaFleur

and say at least interview, come here. Yeah. If the Eagles fired Nick Siriani, is he a head coach next year? I don't know. I don't know. I've never quite known what he does because Howie Roseman picks the players and the coordinators previously. This year he got to pick Petulow. That didn't go well. You can't say like he's an ego manager guy because of the video we're watching here. He's obviously not designing sick offensive plays. He doesn't call the plays. So other than jawing at opposing teams fans, I'm not sure what he does. I also, though, think that for the Eagles as a whole, and he owns, where's this more than anyone, this was a failure of a Super Bowl defense,

and it was preventable failure, because we have been talking on this show about the Eagles offense going into half-long comas as often as the damn Titans offense did all year long, and they never got it right. And so all of a sudden, the MASH unit of the Niners' defense, getting stops and finding a way to slow them down

actually wasn't shocking. I was so excited to talk about this. I was acting like the Bears played them earlier. But they, the Eagles, the Eagles this year, since that game against the Rams, did not score more than 20 points against a playoff team

once after, after week three. They had a hit and miss passing game all year. They had issues with AJ Brown all year. They couldn't get, the Sequin from last year, never showed up all year long. So it wasn't shocking that in the playoff game, who they were all year is who they were. Yeah. By the way, yeah.

I want to give you a little heads up on a chefty Schefter just released this. Chargers fired their offensive courts. coordinator, Greg Romney. See? A shot. Man, another, listen, another pig to the slaughter at the service of

Justin Herbert's arms, Allen. Something had to be done. Something had to be done. One day, he will have the perfect situation. You called it, you love his head coach, the demon's been excellent two straight years.

But listen, I understand. They didn't have They were missing both tackles, one of which we knew was out all year when people were picking this team to go to the Super Bowl without Rishon Slater. It's fine. I'm sure year seven will be the time Justin Herbert just plays a mediocre playoff game. 64 career passer rating, the only player in league history with a lower career playoff passer rating. Andy Dalton. I'm just saying there's a lot of similarities there.

I ran into Andy Dalton once at the JW Marriott in Los Angeles. I like Andy Dalton. People think that this Andy Dalton comp is a slight to Herbert. Maybe I just think more highly of Andy Dalton than everybody else. Andy Dalton beat out your guy Sam Garnold, my guy, Baker-Mayfield, Carolina. Maybe Andy Dalton should put some respect on his name. And maybe if he was six-six with a rocket arm, people would have, even though own four in the playoffs, own three in the playoffs.

I don't know. Good to see you, Colin. Good to see you, Nick Wright. Yeah, Greg Roman got, yeah, listen, it's Herbert. You know, you got to get, somebody's got to pay for that. Man, we got good stuff. You know, I hope we don't forget about Miami and Indiana National Championship. Let's not forget about that either.

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This is the herd line news. Yeah, Colin, I was a little giddy last night on that Aaron Rogers ending. You see everybody going up to him to congratulate him after the game. Hey man, great career. Colin, it ended with a pick six. His last throw in the NFL was a pick six. I mean, we all think he's going to retire. The Texans were treating it that way.

The camera literally full. followed him around everywhere. They didn't get the coach's handshake, nothing. Cam Hayward says he still wants Rogers around. Okay. Yeah. He's the only one. I think there's a hard reboot in Pittsburgh. But do you think Rogers, you know, does another darkness retreat and decides, I'm coming back, man. What do you think? Well, I just don't think, I never thought it was a great fit. I thought, I kept saying all year. I think Aaron Rogers is the comeback player of the year. I thought the fit was Minnesota.

I'll tell you right now. My take is I would go and look at Minnesota because I think they're going to bring somebody else in to compete with J.J. McCarthy. He can't stay healthy. Can't make starts. They're not. You can't go into the year saying,

we think JJ is going to play 17 games. You'd be lucky if you'd sign up today that it could play 10. I scoff at that because he would be exactly copying Brett Farv who went Packers, Jets, and Vikings to end his first. career. I just find that comical. Sorry. I don't know if that's possible. But hey, quote quick on Rogers, Colin. I had to look this up. 2020 was his last playoff win. 2020. We're in 2026. It's five years. It's on a playoff game. The only reason they're in the playoffs was because Tyler Loop misses a 44-yard field goal. And because Burrow missed half the

season. And Lamar missed a bunch of games. Otherwise, they're not even in the playoffs. I don't know. I just, I kind of think Aaron's going to disappear and we're not going to have an answer for a long time. And I think for the record, I think Minnesota loves that. So I think Minnesota going into the draft isn't sure what they're going to do. So I think I think after, I think Minnesota watch the Vikings in the draft. What do they do at quarterback? I would say better than 50. I'll make my guess here. It's only three things going to happen. Retire, Vikings. Okay, two things. Retire or Vikings is my guess. Right. Do you think of Roger says, hey,

Mike, you want to run it back, that that is more likely for Tomlin to want to stay versus go to a cushy TV job or take one of the other openings? Yeah, probably. He'd stay for Aaron. Yeah. A lot of kumbaya. They like each other. Did you say ayahuasca or kumbaya? I miss that. All right, let's go to the next story. And that's the Green Bay Packers, Colin. Reports currently indicate Matt LaFleur is in contract negotiations with the Packers. It sounds like nothing definitive. He's going to be staying in Green Bay. news for edge rusher, Micah Parsons, who told the media he wants his coach to stay.

I've had my fair share of coaches and people around this league that I've been around. And Matt's one of the best guys and people. Like, as a person, I've been around since I've been in this league. I reached out to him when I started seeing this and I said, man, you know, when I agreed to come here, like, you were part of the reason why I came here. I want you a part of this and, you know, I love you. And, you know, I think you're a great coach. And, you know, he appreciated those words, and we had a brief conversation.

Yeah, you shouldn't fire Matt LaFleur. It was a bad game. You could admit, it was a terrible. Well, he had a very good first half. Yes. That's the coach's half. He out-coached Ben Johnson and the coaches half. Well, okay, so he had a better game plan than Ben Johnson,

but he had that in all three games against Ben Johnson this season. Maybe that's his strength. Okay, but adjustments are part of coaching. Well, Kyle Shanahan's not very good at adjustments. because he's never won a game where he trailed entering the fourth by a touchdown. Yeah, I mean, I've seen that stat. How much were they trailing the Eagles by entering the fourth? Was it 16-10 or something like that?

I don't know. I mean, that's, I just like the adjustments for Dennis Allen and the Bears. They decided, hey, we're going to dial up the blitz. We're not going to just let Love sit back and kill us. And I saw zero adjustments from the floor, man. I was extremely disappointed. That being said, you know, we got some stats on him. Most wins by a head coach in their first.

seven seasons. He's tied for second most in the history of football, Colin. Now, some would argue that's because he had Aaron Rogers for a few of those. Okay. I mean, you don't win without a good quarterback in this league. We know that, right? The guy's won with Malik Willis playing. Yeah. So, I mean, just, it's the idea that you'd fire Matt LaFleur, that you're just too close to the forest can't see the trees. That's like Packer Cheesehead guy. Don't, it's just dumb. And it shouldn't even be a topic. It's ridiculous. I'm with you.

Final story. Let's go to college football. You're right. We shouldn't forget about the national championship coming up. I mean, it will have been a long time between games. But let's focus on Dante Moore in Oregon. He was ticketed for my jets. And then he kind of had a rough one, shall we say, against Indiana.

Fumbling interception on the first play. But Urban Meyer was on a podcast and said if Dante Moore does come out, he hopes he gets a chance to develop. Here we go. I just hope if he goes somewhere, he can go sit and learn for a year. Yeah. I hate that when they throw the, I did it. You throw that rookie quarterback in there, and it's just, man, you just wish you had some veteran guy in front of him.

Henry Rogers learning from Brett Farrow. Number four, Brett Farre. So that was the perfect way. Well, remember. For quarterbacks to have great success. Yeah. I love Urban when he comes on the show. That's just not realistic right now with these teams at the top.

It worked for Patrick Mahomes, right? with Kansas City. They had a playoff team with Alex Smith, you know? I'm dead serious. If the Jets had a coach I liked, like if Dante if the agents did a deal and Dante Moore literally

through his agent, contacted the Jets, because you can do that. And the Jets hired Kevin Stefansky, I'd come out. I'm not coming out for the Jets mess and Aaron Glenn. I'd come out if the Jets hired Kevin Stefansky. I would, if I was Dante

more and really wanted to leave. I would call my agent. I mean, I've done this a million times. I call an agent and say, can you give me a phone number of somebody? I want to pay him a compliment or I want to ask him a question. Just go to your agent, get a hold of the Jets, find out if Aaron Glenn is absolutely coming back. If he is, there's no way I'm going. I'm not because you'll have to play.

It'll be awful. I'm not doing it. This idea of sitting sounds great if you're drafting it like Lamar Jackson 32, you know, Patrick Mahomes, 10, in the teens. you just can't do that at the top of the draft. The team is there because they stink and they need a savior. The Jets need a savior. How about this?

I don't know that Dante Moore is that guy. I'll tell you. Not right now, at least. You want to know an under-the-radar story developing? Please. Brian Daibold of the Titans. You were on this last week. We haven't heard Daibold's name anywhere.

I just saw a website, one of the prominent ones, projected the head coaches for every opening. Brian Daibow is not listed as a head coach. That's interesting. What's that about? Is there some back channel stuff happening somewhere? He's interviewing Friday. I mean, they had Jeff Halfley ticketed for the New York Giants.

I mean, if that happens, just start the mutiny in New York. I mean, Jeff Halfley? What? Cam Ward, Brian Daibel? That sounds good to me. I don't know what my jets do. Keep your eye on Brian Davel to the Titans. Sounds like you have some inside information.

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Here's Mario Cristobal on facing Indiana as a dog in the nanny. we have to prepare for an awesome opportunity we preach it we teach it and then we go and we get away from everybody just like we did a couple weeks ago the last couple of weeks when we went on the road and that's where I know the process was asked about earlier it's it's no different just got to shut out the outside world and go to work yeah so it's just a new world we've seen it not only three years in a row with no SEs team in national championship. We've seen that.

Go look at who the SEC is beating in the college football playoff. Only SEC schools. And Tulane. They're not one in the other games. So I think the drop-off is precipitous. I was talking to an agent

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seven figures out of Syracuse like that's the kind of money that's being like it's it is it is Notre Dame Michigan Ohio State three Texas schools

Phil Knight money USC money it's just six seven hundred thousand dollars for off ball linebackers that that's the kind of money we're talking about until the NCAA can get this whole thing fixed.

So, and Indiana. I mean, again, Indiana's got a great business school, massive alumni. And I said this two years ago. These Big Ten schools are bigger than SEC schools. And they got 40, 50,000 people and a lot of good business schools. And those kids pour out to the West Coast, East Coast. And then they come back to write a check for football and basketball, especially football. So that's where we are right now.

I think Miami keeps it close for a while against, Indiana. And again, say what you want about Carson Beck, but this will be his third national championship gaming is in. So he's been around the block. My top 10 next 10, there it is Miami, SC, Texas, Texas, A&M, Texas Tech, Notre Dame, Oregon, Ohio, State, Michigan, Indiana. All right. Let me ask, sorry, people. What's wrong? Why is USC in there? What's that about? L.A.'s economy. They just had the best recruiting class. Why? They got their collective in order and they're building a $300 million facility, and they're paying Lincoln Riley 80 million over the next eight years.

Money's not an issue. Got it. Just making sure. A dozen different boosters. Indiana is, I love this story, Colin. Great. It's awesome. Great business school.

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