The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - First Herd Hierarchy of 2025, Colts have a new starting QB, Albert Breer

Episode Date: August 19, 2025

Colin unveils his first Herd Hierarchy for the 2025 season with an NFC powerhouse at number 1 and the Chiefs surprisingly low He talks to Albert Breer about the Colts making Daniel Jones their starting QB, what to expect from the Bears this season, what the Bengals will do with Trey Hendrickson, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Albert Breer is going to be around the corner. John Middletoff is joining us for the rest of the week. Jay Mackin next week, he's been on vacate. So a lot of things moving. The Trey Hendrickson thing, apparently they're miles apart in Cincinnati. The J.J. McCarvey stuff's still fascinating. Joe Burles playing three series last night. Caleb Williams.

So John, I figured today, because I kind of feel like we got coaching changes, free agency, draft, development, OTAs, training camp preseason, I kind of feel like I know, whether I'm right or not, I kind of feel like I know what I believe as of today. So I'm going to give you kind of this is my final herd hierarchy before we get into that season, which is the first Thursday after Labor Day. here, in my opinion, are the top 10 teams headed into this NFL season. The hierarchy. Time is now. Let's go.

The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. Number 10. Detroit lost both coordinators who were excellent, lost a couple of their best offensive linemen on the interior. That's an issue. That's why they addressed it in this draft. They've already had injuries in this preseason. And so they're the fourth NFL team to lose both coordinators in the last 25 years.

It's hard. Go ask Philadelphia. And especially when they're elite coordinators that get head coaching jobs. So the division's better. Lost their coordinators. I have Detroit at number 10. Number nine. Green Bay.

Very quiet camp. Now, Jordan Love struggled in the division last year. It was one in five. Only beat the Bears barely. So that's a little concerned. but they upgraded their receiving core. They've added some nice pieces, not necessarily game changers, although they improve the interior of their offensive line.

And I just think they've had a quiet camp. I'm not worried about the Jordan Love left hand injury at all. I think this is a well-run operation. I like teams that are quiet in July and August. They have been. I have them at nine. Number eight. The Rams.

I would have them much higher. I'd have them two or three, but the Matt Stafford injury is concerning. No team played more rookies than the Rams last year, which you'd think is a bad thing, but they were also the least penalized team in the league. They have a smart, young, hyper-aggressive defense that will be the key to their team, not Matt Stafford, but you've got to have Stafford on the field. They're not particularly strong at backup, the division solid, Rams at number eight. Number seven.

The commanders, I may have them higher. I don't like the Terry McLaurin vibe. I think you have to give young quarterbacks dependable weapons. Their offensive line is still okay. Debo will help, but I think the Giants could be a tough, mediocre team. Philadelphia is not going backwards. So I think there's some tough games on the schedule.

Back-to-back playoff teams from last year to, no, that's Green Bay. I think Washington overall is going to be good. I do not think they'll end up in the NFC championship. So they may take a step back in how they finish, but I still think they'll be a very viable, fun team to watch and a playoff team. Number six. Seattle, back-to-back-to-back drafts that I like. They are going to rely on that run game.

They upgraded their offensive line. Their defense will be in the second year under Mike McDonald. The early schedule is pretty easy for Sam Darnold, who I do believe is a better version of Gino Smith. He's a better athlete. Can be a bit reckless, but he's a West Coast kid. I think he's comfortable. I think they upgrade an offensive coordinator.

So I just think that's a team, if Jackson, Smith, and Jigba can become a number one ride receiver, I like their backs, I like their O-line, I like their secondary. There's not a lot about Seattle I don't like. And if Stafford, by the way, did not play much this year, I already have them winning the division. That could be two wins.

Number five. Kansas City. Listen, the last two seasons, they've been number 15 in scoring offense. All right. So they're getting old. Tight end. Chris Jones is not getting younger. I really like the hierarchy of the franchise.

But they're not going to go 11 and 1-1 score games. The division's tougher. God, if they could go 8 and 4 in 1-score games, you'd feel great about it. But I think they're built for the postseason. Great coaching, great quarterback, old weapon. But I think they'll get dinged up in the regular season. I have Kansas City. They're still waiting on that Rishi Rice news on the suspension.

That doesn't help because I thought he developed into a volume number one wide receiver, maybe a lower tier one, but a one. I have him at five. Number four. Broncos. Listen, they didn't just add players. They added elite players. Drake Greenlaw, Evan Ingram, who fungut,

safety. Last year's defense was good and aggressive. Why would it go backwards? So again, Bow-Nicks in a second year. I, the O line is rated number two according to PFF in preseason. So last year caught us by surprise. This year, all their good young players are a year older in the system of Sean Payton. I have Denver at number four. Number three. Baltimore. And they're going to win 75% of their games with Lamar Jackson. Number one total offense last season. top 10 scoring defense. They do everything well. I mean, they really do. They can throw it. They can run it. Special teams, defense, culture. I think it's probably the best run organization along with Kansas City in the National Football League, maybe Philadelphia. But what don't they do well?

Well, they don't win a lot of playoff games. Okay. Josh Allen, Patrick Mahalms, now Sean Payton and Harbaugh, it's hard in the AFC. I have Baltimore at three. Number two. But I think the world's best football player is Josh Allen. I'll put Buffalo at two. Also, Buffalo in their division should go two and oh against Miami and two and oh against the Jets and should be a much better team overall than New England. I think they come in with a better seed. James Cook has wrapped up. I think he's a really, really good running back. I don't know if John and I have talked about this. James Cook quietly has become a really nice running back in a weapon. I think they've drafted well. I don't think their roster's overall as good as Baltimore. I don't think it's overall as good as Philadelphia,

but I think their quarterback is able to do things to extend plays and elevate teammates that nobody else in the sport can do. I have Buffalo at two. Number one. Listen, not only was their defense number one last year, I looked it up this morning, it was the youngest defense in the league and the cheapest. So they do everything right.

I don't think they're as good at quarterback. I think when you can force Philadelphia to play from behind and you can force them to throw, they're not as dangerous as a Buffalo is forced to throw where a Kansas City is. But again, they do everything well. They GM well,

they quarterback well. Their line plays. Incredible. Sequin Barclay has just been jet fuel to an over talented roster. So there is my herd hierarchy. A couple of teams, where are the Chargers?

I think the Rashon Slater injury is a real problem. They are a Joe Alt-twisted ankle from being in real trouble up front, and I still don't trust They're receiving core outside of Lab McConkey, so I have them at 11. Bingles at 12. With that, Albert Breer joins us, and he is joining us live.

Let's touch on the Matt Stafford thing. So Matt Hasselbeck said, listen, when you get old, the back injuries are a problem. You can overcome a lot. This thing looks, I mean, I know the Rams do a good job like the Patriots did to hide bad news. Like, what's the feel around the league on Stafford and the Rams? Is it worse than they're letting on? Well, I think there's like some teams that are looking at the Rams now with a little bit of an arched eyebrow based on all the things that you just said.

As for the Rams themselves, the vibe I've gotten is that like whether it was 80, 85, 90%, like during training camp, like they just weren't going to push him out there until he was 100%. And they felt like, because of all the damage he's taken over the course of his career, that there are only so many bullets left in the gun. they also felt like having Jimmy Garoppolo on the roster gave them a good amount of flexibility in that they could go and run their offense and practice without a hitch while again saving those bullets that Matthew Stafford only has a limited amount of so that's the approach that they've taken like they felt like the last couple of weeks if we have a game tomorrow he's playing but it's not worth you know it's not worth putting those miles on his body at this stage of training camp at this stage of the summer yeah And so I think they go forward now and ramping Matthew Stafford up for the season. Obviously, the setback a week ago wasn't great news, and it should have everybody's radar up. But Matthew's been through this before.

He had the elbow. He had the wrist. Those were very troublesome injuries for a quarterback. This is a troublesome injury for any older player, and you just see if you can manage it over the course of the year. So John Middlakov said by naming Daniel Jones the starter, and Shane Steichen said it's not a short-term move. it's kind of like he's surrendered on Anthony Richardson. Like we gave it a run. Yeah.

And that's what it feels like to me. What is your take on the move? It doesn't sound like it's just week one and two. It's like the decision by the franchise. Well, I think if they were going to build that in, Colin, what would have made more sense is you go to Anthony Richardson, knowing you can go to Daniel Jones, right? Like if you go with Daniel Jones from the start,

I think it's much harder to go back to Anthony, Richardson based on all of the history there. And look, I think that one play, the play that he got hurt on, nobody wanted to see the result that the Colts got, right? But that one play was sort of a microcosm of the problem with Anthony Richardson, and that, like, the awareness, the ability to run the offense at a high level, it just hasn't been there with Anthony Richardson, the level where Shane Steichen wants it. And on that particular play, he should have been able to recognize what it was in front of him.

He should have been able to recognize he was hot. He should have gotten the ball out to the flat. And he did none of that. And he exposed himself to injury. his team to a loss of yardage, a loss of down. And that's the stuff that they've been trying to eliminate the entire offseason. It's actually interesting. If you look at the Colts last year, right, they were 29th in total defense,

and they were 30th in giveaways. And they felt like if they could clean those two things up, because they would won eight games despite all of that. They could have a playoff team this year. So they bring in Louis Anorumo to change the face of the defense. They spend on defense. They went out and got Chavarius Ward and Cambine them to help their second And then on offense, the idea is we've got to be way more better at taking, way better at taking care of the ball than we were in 2020.

And so I think they feel like Daniel Jones, his ability to operate the offense, his ability to protect the ball, was just at a higher level right now than Anthony Richardson. And there are jobs on the line there this year. So they felt like for the team they have right now, Daniel Jones was the better answer. So, I mean, you've been to 20. 23 training camps. What was the and I assume the bears were one of those. Was the bears one of those camp?

Yep, okay. Yep, the bears were one of them. It's so interesting. You probably went from quiet, pensive green bay down of a circus in Chicago by a 40-minute train ride. What was the Bears camp like?

I think there's a lot of, I would say just a lot of curiosity about where, Ben Johnson was going to have that offense. I think for a lot of people coming in, if you didn't know what Ben Johnson plan was, you would look at it and be like, holy crap. This does not look the way that it's supposed to look. And to be fair, like the day I was there, Caleb Williams looked terrible.

There's no better, there's no sugar-coating it. I mean, the first ball he threw was a throwaway that landed five yards in bounds. A couple of plays after that, he threw it out to the flat. No one was home. So then you ask around about, you know, what their plan is and what their plan is. trying to accomplish. And what Ben Johnson and his staff were trying to do with Caleb was, let's feed him through a fire hose in the spring and then early in training camp. And let's see what he can handle. And let's see what he's good at. And let's see what he's not good at. And let's

see how he learns. Let's see how he takes those early lumps and is able to compartmentalize them. And then over the course of camp, the hope was that they would get a more resilient player who's playing faster. And as coaches, they would get a better idea of what he would was best at so they could build an offense based on that. And I think you saw the result of some of that on Sunday night. Now, look, Buffalo wasn't doing a lot defensively. They had their backups out there. So it has to be tempered. But I think what you saw was a Caleb Williams. We really haven't seen, maybe even going back to college, where he's playing fast, he's playing on time, the ball is out, the plays are run in a fashion where everything looks coherent. They know he can put on the cape

and be Superman. The idea is, like, how do you balance that was running in a lot? actual NFL offense. And it's a process getting a player like Caleb there. And I think the evidence we saw, especially with some of those throws to the tight ends to Loveland and to commit down the seam, I think would indicate that Caleb's playing a lot faster than he was last year. So I think sometimes you go into a season and you know you're not a Super Bowl team, but you have to figure things out before next year's free agency, the trading deadline, and the draft. So I have argued, you can start Russell Wilson, but I want to know by Thanksgiving, can Jackson Dart handle cold weather?

Right. Can he go on the road and win? He had three years Elaine Kiffin. So don't tell me he's not ready to play. Three years Elaine Kiffin and a camp with Brian Daibble, that's hard coaching. I would play Jackson Dart pretty early from what you've been around the Giants. Is quarterback one set in stone? because next year's draft.

I mean, you start looking at it. I did last night. There are like four quarterbacks that could go top 10, 12 picks. Nussmeier, Aller, Sellers. Arge potentially. Yeah. You know, so what is the kind of quiet, covert game plan at quarterback from New York? So Jackson Dart has checked every box.

And everything that they thought they would have with him has come to fruition. And so everything they put in front of him, he's handled. He's also shown a certain presence in Moxie for the position that you hear about, but you don't really know until you have them in the building. And they had a lot of close connections to Old Miss, right? Like the offensive coordinator at Old Miss is Charlie Weiss Jr. And who's Brian Dave All's mentor is Charlie Weiss, Sr. So Joe Judge is on that staff.

Obviously, still a lot of people in the Giants building still know are no Joe Judge. you know so there's a lot of connections there that part of it's checked out as well so i think what we're seeing here in the preseason is a manifestation of what they're seeing in camp which i don't think changes their week one plan but i think it does mean the leash is a little shorter on russell wilson in other words it was do we registered him is he ready to play now it's a little more ready to play if we're oh and three if we're one and four do we start to look at our options i think that's where you put yourself right now if russell wilson goes out wins games and plays great and they win 11 or 12 games this year and gets the playoffs then maybe

you don't see Jackson Dart. I just think there's going to be a little less patience if the Giants stub their toe now because of what they know because of what they have in the bullpen. So Joe Burrell said yesterday, listen, we tend to sign our guys right before the season. Once again, Burrow being reasonably honest, which I appreciate. Is there a team lurking out there that you wouldn't be surprised if we don't hear in 10 days. we have a major deal and the Bengals get four picks for Trayette's. I mean, that's the kind of thing where Cincinnati would go, oh, good, inexpensive players draft. I mean, their defense is atrocious without Hendrickson.

But is there a team that you think is kind of sniffing a little bit? And I mean, I always look at Philadelphia, but I don't think they need it. Is there a team out there? I'd be surprised. And I say that with all due respect to Tray Hendrickson as a player. And I think this becoming news over the last few days is probably a little bit of acknowledgement of that from the player's side and wanting to try to provoke something to happen here, some sort of offer to come across here. I think the amount that Cincinnati is asking for, in addition to the contract is part of the problem, right? It's a pick. It's a really good defensive

player. And then, of course, you've got to give them the contract. And here's the thing, Colin, if I'm another team, right, like let's say I'm a contending team, because you would assume only contending teams are going to bring in a player of this age. If I'm a contending team, and Cincinnati asks me for a premium draft pick, which is going to be a young player on your roster next year, and a really useful defensive player this year. So now you're taking that player out of your defense and adding Trey Hendrickson, and now you're paying a guy who's 31 years old, whatever it is, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39 million dollars a year. Like, is that worth that? you know what i mean like is it so in other words if is hendrickson going to be that much better than the

player you're taking out of the equation to take on the contract in the age and i just think it's really hard to thread that needle um when you're talking about finding a trade partner here and the bengals view themselves as a very real contender and rightfully so and so you know they're looking at it as well like the picks are nice but the picks aren't going to help us this year we need something that's going to help us this year so i don't know how much they're going to move off the idea that they want a really good veteran defensive player out of this too. So I just, it's hard for me to see where all those pieces come together. Well, I don't have the camps you went to in front of me, but I know that Cleveland sounds

like you went there because you could sneak a day over in Columbus and check out. I bet you did. Columbus is right around the corner. You got a little sneak peek at your alma mater. So, I mean, listen, I'm not watching film. Flacco is my starter. I'd move Kenny Pickett. I've said this for months

and then let the two guys stay on the roster. It's starting to feel like Tebow. Like it's getting into the, you know, and I've said this, nobody wants a celebrity backup quarterback. Nobody in this league wants it. People will deal with a young celebrity star quarterback if he's, you know, if he's really talented.

There's a story today. They may keep all four quarterbacks. Really? What do you make of that? I think it's going to happen. Wow. I mean, yeah, and you're right, Colin. Like, I think a big piece of this.

And we went over this with, you know, with Colin Kaepernick, with Tim Tebow. And a number of other quarterbacks saw their careers end a little prematurely. I think like Cam Newton's in that category, Jay Cutler's in that category, because it was hard for people to envision them as backup quarterbacks. Coaches want their backup quarterbacks to blend in with the furniture,

to be a resource to the starter. You know, so obviously, like, you know, a fifth round rookie that has a celebrity that she or has flies in the face of all of that. I think right now what Kevin Stefansky is trying to do is he's trying to serve the roster that he has right now. Have you looked at the first six games in their schedule, Colin? I can look it out. Is it rough? It looks like Owen Six is staring you in the face, right? Like so you look at that schedule and then how are you going to look guys like Miles Garrett, like Denzel Ward, like Joel Betone,

in the face if you're not giving them the very best answer you can at the quarterback position. Like you can't, if you're Kevin Stefanski, go into the season with somebody who's far lesser than the best player on your roster at the most important position on the field. And I think that's what Joe Flacco is right now. Joe Flacco gives them the best answer right now. I think if you look at the way they set up the quarterback competition over the course of the summer, they felt like coming out of the spring, Kenny Pickett, was really the only one who had a chance to challenge him. And so you go into the season, you have that six-game stretch with Joe Flacco is your quarterback.

You have the buy a couple weeks after that. And so, like, then I think maybe you reassess if things have gone off the rails. Because, again, like looking out into your locker room at the beginning of the year and giving them a rookie quarterback who the locker room isn't quite sure can play instead of Joe Flacco, that's a really tough look for a coach. Now, if you get to one in seven or you're three and eight, or your four and nine, that's a different deal altogether. At that point, players know the score, but for the here and the now,

the idea is to give them the best answer to win right now. And a guy who's going to give them the best chance to succeed individually and as a team, and very clearly that's been Joe Flacco. All right. You know, it's funny, we took, this morning, I took the bear's schedule, and I said, I'm going to be optimistic. I'll give you a split, I'll give you a split, which they, They never do.

They were one in five in division last year. I'll give you a split with Green Bay, Minnesota, Detroit. I'm going to give you the go-either-way games like the Giants at home, Steelers at home. I'm going to give you all those. I'm going to give you wins in Las Vegas. I thought I was incredibly optimistic. I mean, they don't split their division very often. They went one in five last year.

They're a home dog to Minnesota in week one. And I went through every game. And then I said, I took a bunch of games. like I said, listen, you're not winning at Baltimore. You're not winning in San Francisco. You're not winning probably in Philadelphia. I had a few not winning. And I got to 9 and 8.

And I thought that was really optimistic. If you look at that schedule, and that's why he said, happiness is connected to expectations. If 9 and 8 and Caleb Williams, you got the right coach and the right quarterback, take it now. You look at this schedule. I mean, there's some non-winnable games at Philly, at Baltimore, at Green Bay, at San Francisco.

Those are tough games for a rookie coach. What do you see when you look at the Bears? Well, it's indicative of the division in general. Like last year you had a 15-win division champion and a 14-win wildcard. I don't know that that's going to happen again with the draw the division got in general. And the Bears obviously are in the midst of that. And you would think with the strength of the division just on its own in a vacuum, With the Vikings and the Lions and the Packers all coming back as playoff teams,

there's a chance that they cannibalize each other to begin with, which is going to, I think, like, look, all four of them aren't making the playoffs, you know, based on the schedule and based on the balance and the division. So, like, I think what's fair to look at for the Bears is, are they ascending at the end of the year? Did the offensive line come together? They spent a lot of resources in bringing in Joe Tunney and Drew Dalman and Jonah Jackson. how does the defense look like?

How does the defense look under Dennis Allen? Obviously, that was his strength in their Matt Eber flus. And you hit the biggest one, which is Caleb, is Caleb Williams ascending going into year three. If the bears are at seven wins, eight wins, nine wins, and Ben Johnson is starting to show signs of being the mastermind that he was in Detroit. And you're going to be able to watch and see some of the schematic stuff they're doing. Is that stuff starting to show up?

and is Caleb getting the ball out on time? And is he putting the Superman cape on when he needs to put the Superman cape on and not at other times, right? You start to see a combination of those things at the end of the year. And I think you can be really happy with the season. I don't view the Bears as this sort of team where it's like, okay, well, if they don't

make the playoffs, then we need to take a really hard look at things. But, like, based on the makeup of their roster and where they've invested, I do look at it, like, that should be a team that's a center. at the end of the year. Albert Breer, 23 camps, as good as anybody that does this. Good seeing you, buddy. All right, thanks, Colin.

You bet. Great stuff. Great information today. Have you watched, John, have you watched that, I'm getting a peek of that Cowboys thing? I need to fire it up. Is it out tonight? Yeah, well, it's, you know, it's one of those streaming ventures, so you can go back and watch it if you don't watch it the night it comes out.

Very interesting. Jerry gets very emotional. He says he likes the pain, which is, I don't. I'll be honest. Same. I don't love pain. I have very little pain tolerance. Totally agree.

Yeah. I mean, I've called in sick because I jaywalked the day before. Like, I'll just, you know, not show. So it's interesting. It is a, it is. Jerry likes being on camera, and Jerry likes the pain. And he has created lots of it in recent years. Fun stuff to think about.

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I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. There's a lot of stuff going on. I thought Albert Breer. A lot of things out there. Heard hierarchy today.

We may bring that back a little bit. Final hour of the show. Mark Sanchez stopping by today. John Middlecoff with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. There was a fight at Titans camp yesterday,

and it stemmed from a Cam Ward. He'd be the quarterback, a touchdown throw. After Ward threw the touchdown, he celebrated in the face of Jeffrey Simmons with Simmons retaliating and pushing Ward's Facebook, or face mask. The offensive line jumped into defend their quarterback, and a scuffle broke out.

D.B. Jarvis Brownlee broke down how the quarterback reacted. You get that same attitude, that same confidence, that same edge each and every day out of those two guys. You know, they never change. So, you know, that's what you expect. But when it does happen with our quarterback, you know, we try to break it up as soon as possible, fix it as soon as possible.

But for me, I feel like it's a great thing. You know, you've got great teams, man. Brothers fight. You know, you never want to see your quarterback in the middle of those type of things. But when it do happens, you know, it just shows you. level with all, he got him. You know what I mean? He's going to take nothing. First of all, Jeffrey Simmons is the last guy in the

AFC maybe I'd want to pick on. You don't want to mess with Jeffrey Simmons. By the way, Cam Ward's totally humble and respectful on camera. But it doesn't bother me that he's kind of feisty at practice. It doesn't bother me. I got a parallel for you. Remember last year, two years ago, Jaden Daniels at LSU, the defense was terrible, and he can't.

carried them to nine wins. I mean, they were not a very good team. Miami last year, defense was atrocious. Cam Ward dominated. I see some similarities with the two. Not necessarily, Jaden's a better runner than Cam, but kind of a gunslinger, really good quarterback. I kind of like the Titans. I mean, their team last year, offensively, but specifically a quarterback, could not have been worse. I mean, Will Levis was an all-time disaster. Their head coach is an offensive guy, Brian Callahan. His dad's there with him, widely considered one of the best offensive line.

coaches. They have the pieces on defense. If Cam Ward, obviously, he's probably not going to be Jane Daniels as a rookie, but if he can just be pretty good, who's to say they can't win seven-eight games after being the team that just drafted number one overall? I mean, most people are picking Houston to win the division, and I trust C.J. Stroud and Domeco Ryan's, but, you know, that organization took a step back last year. So I, that division to me, there's a wild card spot there for the taking. I totally. I think Houston's the biggest divisional lock in the league.

You can get it like plus 110, love that. I do think the second place, the Colts, I mean, they just chose Daniel Jones. We know the Jags. You can never trust them. Titans just keep an eye on them. Another guy to keep an eye on, Trey Hendrickson. He's still in the middle of this hold-in thing with the Bengals, and there doesn't look to be an end in sight.

According to Schefter, the two sides have an agreement for the duration of the deal, and the average per year on the deal, but they are nowhere close to what many consider the most important thing when it comes to these NFL deals, guaranteed money. Do you believe the Bengals need Trey Hendrickson to be contenders, Colin? Oh, in terms of value,

he's the most valuable defensive player in the league. Not saying the best, although he's the most valuable. This defense, I mean, last night, it's atrocious. Washington had huge runs. Can I give you a stat? Trey Hendrickson, he accounted for the largest percentage of sacks for any team. Almost 50%.

It was 48.6. The next closest in the NFL was Miles Garrett, who's going to the Hall of Fame, at 34%. So there's a 14 percentage difference from 1 to 2. That's insane. This guy accounted for 50% of the sacks. The team on defense won their personnel. You know, to me, you can out-scheme people offensively. defensively, you need a combination of them both.

Nick Sabin's known as a genius, so is Belichick, Lawrence Taylor, Vrable, all the guys at Alabama over the years. You can't just outthink everyone on defense. You need the players, and obviously they need Ray Andrewsson. Totally agree. Last but not least, Archmanning, the hype couldn't be any stronger. Obviously, it's going to be the most anticipated game

coming up against Texas on Fox, number one versus number three. The hype is at an all-time high. And a couple days ago, former LSU coach, Ed Ogeron, made a visit to Texas, him as soccer boys, and he said, he's as close or maybe as good as Joe Burrow as I've seen. And I've never said that about anybody. Comparing Arch to Joe Burrow, can Arch Manning live up to the hype, Colin?

Oh, I don't think he can live up to the hype. First of all, of all the Mannings, he's the most athletic. He runs the best. his arm strength from what I've seen, not an issue. And what blew me away in a world of the transfer portal and the NIL. Let's just talk transfer portal. Where everybody transfers.

Marginal talents transfer. He was the best quarterback Texas had last year. Not a peep. He could have easily gone to anywhere. Iowa, Louisville, anywhere. He could have gone to big programs and started. Now, I'll just sit here. A steward, I'll be, you know, Texas football above me.

I can't say this enough. When you're not getting your way in life is when the truth comes out about who you are. If you're a dad and your son loses a game because of a bad umpiring call, how you react is who you are. They always say alcohol's truth serum. Losing is truth serum. Everybody's in a good mood when their kid wins and when you win. Archmanning is a more talented quarterback than Quinn Ewers. I don't think it's going to be close.

And he just sat there as a backup. And it's like, that is all I need to know about the maturity needed because he's going to go to a bad team. He's going to go to the Saints or Cleveland. And we've seen guys who aren't mature enough in those situations unravel. This kid's got it. To me, the intangibles clearly are not going to be the question. But on the field and the SEC, you know, to be the number one overall pick,

comparing to Joe Burrow, who had a historic season. And we've seen other guys, you know, Baker Mayfield, Cam Ward, Jaden Daniels, Caleb Williams. They put up big, big numbers in college. So it's going to be interesting. The pressure is on at this program. I mean, a lot of people are picking Texas, rightfully so, to win the national championship. You know, I'll tell you another quarterback that's fastened. Nico I. Maliazza at UCLA.

So he didn't. You know, his dad, as I've said, quarterback dads become pageant mom. Their heart's in the right place, but sometimes they get in the way. I was looking two days over the weekend. I was looking at quarterbacks in college. The wild card is that kid, because I watched him last year at Tennessee. Now, he did the opposite of Archmanning. I'm not getting my way.

I'm out. Could have been dad, but, okay. So I don't love that at all. And he went to a program with less town around him. But the two quarterbacks in college, I can't wait to watch. Everything. Archmanning and Nico I amaliava at UCLA. Keep your eye on that kid, because we all kind of dissed him when he did that.

And he did the opposite of what I think you should do as a bat signal to NFL GMs. But that kid's also fascinating to me. But you talked about it earlier on the show with expectations. The expectations for Arch couldn't be any higher. And for the first time in a couple years, Nico kind of gets to fly under the radar. He does. I mean, he's in the second biggest football program in his own town in L.A. John Middletoff with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd-line news. How about that? Albert Breer came out and said, when I was at the Bears camp, Caleb Williams was awful. And I think that's part of it. That's the growing pains. Caleb's an ad libber, a freelancer.

I think his comp, having watched him now, is Brett Farv. He is sometimes at his best in chaos, like literally at his best, but you can't live that way in the NFL. And that's what costs Farv so many times in big games. He would just ad lib his way out of a win. Remember that in Minnesota what he threw across his box? You're like, oh, bro. Cost him a Super Bowl. Cost you a Super Bowl.

So I think that's his comp. He may not be as talented as farv, but I thought it was interesting. thing, Albert's like, yeah, I was there for a practice, and I think you're going to get a lot of that with Caleb. I think you're going to get a lot of play like that. He's going to have really good Sundays, and even in his good games, he's going to have really bad plays. Like Joe Burrell had one last night. You don't get that much from Burrell. But here was Breer. I thought he was brutally honest on the day he was at the Bears camp. I think what you saw was the Caleb Williams, we really haven't seen, maybe even going back to college, where he's playing fast, he's playing on time, the ball is out. The plays are run in a fashion where everything looks.

coherent. They know he can put on the cape and be Superman. The idea is, like, how do you balance that with running an actual NFL offense? Yeah, we'll see. He also said again, he, NFL, they're just, the NFL really, and I said this yesterday, it's like being the head of Paramount Pictures, you know, you don't want bombs. It's okay to dirt a screenplay. It is okay to throw the ball out of bounds. You do not want negative plays. these run-around guys, Lamar was so fast, he didn't have a ton of them,

but these run-around guys that have lived in high school and college on just making stuff up with a broken play and it turns to a net positive, it doesn't work that way in the NFL. Johnny Mansell, it just doesn't work that way. So I just can't wait to watch it.

Caleb Williams, year two, Ben Johnson, open at home with Minnesota, and yes, they are a underdog as a home, team in week one.

It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us the Jonas brothers and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, name? Huge news. We created

our own podcast called Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But, This one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name

Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes.

I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it.

Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel. help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter.

Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What's up, fam? It's Isaiah Thomas. And I'm C.J. Toledano, and our podcast Point Game is about defying the odds. Like LeBron heading into the playoffs without Luca and Austin Reed. And finding ways to win no matter what. He's the smartest player to ever play the game. His IQ is at a level that we've never seen before.

And he knows without Luca and Austin Reeves, I got to manipulate the game. We get a player's perspective on the challenges of the playoffs. I think Joker's going to be exhausted this series because when they don't have Rudy in the lineup, he has to really guard guys like Nas Reid. He has to guard Julius Randall. And then he has to give us everything he gives us

on the night-to-night basis on offense. And when IT's friends stop by, like Quentin Richardson, we dive into some playoff history too. Steve Nash will get that thing. That man, hell get the flying. He running up the court, licking his fingers why he got the ball. Like, after you go through a training camp with that, Isaiah, you figure it out real quick. Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball.

So listen to Point Game on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This week on Crimless, we're joined by our first ever guest. Sorry, our first ever human guest. I don't think I could be in the same room with Shamrock the parrot. I'd be too nervous. That's right. The very funny Will Ferrell joins Rory Scovel and me, Josh Dean, for an episode dedicated to the many crimes committed by people also named Will Ferrell.

They called to his fellow officer for the nippers. What are the nippers? Very good question. No, I was thinking, would that be a good name for like a salad dressing? Simple assault. And it's a play on word, salt? Maybe not. I say we invest and we see.

There's only one way to know. This did not amuse the cops. By the way, normally the cops are amused, but this did not abuse the cops. Will even comes clean about some of his own crimes. I didn't get caught. You know why? If you don't want to be suspected of anything, you whistle as you walk. Listen to crime lists on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Thursday, the game's most historic rivalry takes center stage as Alex, Alex Bray.

Gregman and the Red Sox take on Aaron Judge in the Yankees. For the Astros battled the Orioles. Check local listings for the game in your area Thursday at 7 Eastern on Fox. So, yeah, I used to, my wife used to make fun of me. We'd go out to eat dinner, and I would always order chicken parm. And she's like, well, I can make that at home. And I'm like, yeah, I wish you would. I love chicken parm.

And she was more experimental with what, you know, she's the artist, the creative, and she would just order a bunch of stuff. And half the time, she's like, I don't like what I ordered. And I've never gone to a restaurant and said, I don't like what I've ordered. I like my steak. I like my chicken parm. I like what I know, even if it's flawed or not, you know, exciting. I just watched the Billy Joel doc.

I may watch it again today. I like Billy Joel. I like him a lot. I listen to songs all the time on YouTube. Rolling Stone still tour. Ozzy Osbourne performed up until the end. even though Biden and Trump may be flawed, people like what they know. They don't like that new guy in New York.

A lot of people are, whoa, socialist. I don't know what he is. But people, people, and I understand this, I like comfort food. I'm a non-traditionalist, but when the NBA schedule came out, it's a bunch of LeBron games and a bunch of Steph games, and I get it. Those are a great memory. International guys, you didn't watch them in college, they don't have big personalities, and a lot of the young players,

they're all through the league now. You can't have two or three stars together. The last run that was the Healds maybe, or Katie to the Warriors, those days are gone. I mean, Phoenix tried to do it, but they were all a little bit too old. So the NBA came out with their schedule, and a team I think is going to be great,

the Orlando Magic. I mean, they only have 14 games on television. That's significantly less than half of LeBron of the Warriors. But I understand it. The Grateful Dead, whatever's left of them. still touring. The Stones are still touring. And there's a reason for it. People want to go. They want to go. It may be a flawed band. They can't hit the high notes. But you know what you're getting when Steph and LeBron play. You know what you're getting. And I look at this schedule,

and Adam Silver just signed a $76 billion, 11-year deal. You can criticize them, but the league's never had more skill. Everybody can shoot and dribble. They just got a massive TV deal. You know, politically, sometimes people think they're, you know, they don't land right for all of America. Whatever, they got the bag. They don't care. It's up the networks now to make money on the broadcasting. But when I watch the Lakers and Warriors games, like, I don't think the Warriors have a chance to win the title. I think the Lakers are a real long shot.

I don't think they have the size to win a title. But, I mean, I get putting the Knicks at 34 games. And they'll outrate, my guess is they'll outrate the much better team, the Oklahoma City Thunder. I'm surprised the wolves with Ant probably got so many games. But I mean, the Rockets, KD, Lakers, LeBron, Warriors, Staff, Knicks, beloved Jalen Brunson. I think if Jason Tatum was back, the Celtics would have more. But, I mean, I credit the NBA for putting that many Nuggets games. They have 26 national Nuggets games.

I love watching the Nuggets. But I understand that Yokic doesn't move the needle. I think he's the most gifted, multi-dimensional. center of my lifetime. I mean, I covered Arvita Sabonis. He wasn't in his prime. Yokic is like Arvita Sabonis plus a grade and a half and Sabonis was unbelievably gifted. But I probably have a few more Maverick games in there, to be honest with you. But again, they don't have a Cooper flag to me is going to work immediately. Like I think Cooper Flag is going to get a number immediately. That wasn't the last time we had a domestic product, a Duke Carolina guy. You could not wait to watch as a

rookie. I mean, honestly, not many. So I think Dallas is undervalued. I think Dallas is my dark horse team to get to the NBA finals. Man, I wish Tyrese Halliburton was healthy because I think Indiana is just a blast to watch. But I am okay with, you know, we like what we like, man. We like what we like. You'd think there'd be LeBron fatigue, but if he plays Steph on a Christmas day or a big game, it'll get a huge number. Mark Schlerath, not Mark Slaherth, not Mark Slaherst, my bad. Mark Slarath is going to be stopping by last hour. Best camp may have been the Broncos.

Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast?

Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We get to ask other people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Wait, what sex? Is it just me? Or does every woman my age want to look at Pinterest instead of having sex? sometimes. They say we can't polish a turn, but we're sure going to try. So let's get blunt with laughs, tears, or tears of laughter. Listen to How Hard Can It Be with Gianna Maria Riva on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and IHart Podcasts presents Soccer moms. So I'm Leanne. Yeah. This is my best friend, Janet. And we have been joined at the hips since high school. A redacted amount of years later, we're still joined at the hip,

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