The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Game 3 of the NBA Finals

Episode Date: June 7, 2023

Ryen Russillo from The Ringer joins the show to break down the Nuggets and Heat NBA Finals match up Why some times you simply can't be "loyal" in sportsSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. Guaranteed Human. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter.

Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. On The Look Back at it podcast. From 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me.

I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. It was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Clifford Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifers Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard,

but celebrated. So let's get to it. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Thanks for listening to The Heard podcast. Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRedio.com or stream us live every day in the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio. or FSR.

You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Ah, here we go. It's our two live in LA, Wednesday, game two tonight. Heat. And the Nuggets in Miami. It's the herd, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. It is so interesting to me.

It's such a cross-section of comments on the Live Golf and the PGA now merging under an investment fund run by the Saudi Arabia. And it just cracks me up on those folks. There's so many fakes out there, so many frauds, so many social justice warriors. Everybody's got a price. You have a price. Just admit it. Everybody's got a price.

If somebody walked up to you today, you don't have to love everything about a company, and somebody said, here's 20 million bucks. You'd take it. You'd rationalize it. I see this all the time. I saw this during the presidential election where the evangelical Christians who are conservatives rationalize Trump's awful behavior with women. They just rationalized it. Why? Because they're conservatives and didn't want to vote for a liberal. So they rationalize Trump and really bad behavior. There's a lot of good conservatives out there who aren't narcissists and don't have 400 lawsuits and treat women with respect.

Trump's not one of them. And you rationalized it. And that wasn't even for money. It was for a vote. So stop pretending you wouldn't take the money. Somebody offered you $200 million. I said this yesterday. I was offered. Live golf came to one of the properties I work with, and there was going to be $100,000 worth of advertising, of which I would have gotten a big chunk of it.

And they also invited me to go to tournaments. And I said, thank you, but no, thank you. And I just said, I'm not going to take it. But if it was $10 million, my wife would have looked at me and said, we need to have a discussion. It's $10 million. You can retire seven years earlier. Yeah, I would have had a discussion. You think I'm going to sit up here and lie to you? Of course, the number mattered. Numbers matter all the time. We all make decisions. We all rationalize stuff based on a price or a number or what it does for our kids, our families. That's why I never on this radio dial, one of the things

I've done over the years is gotten, you know, less preachy. I think it was too preachy in my 20s and 30s. life's gray. We all make decisions. We all rationalize votes and trips and who we support based on the money. How does it benefit us? How does it benefit our taxes? There's a lot of things that my conservative friends do not like about Republicans, but they generally are lighter on taxes. So they rationalize it. All right. I don't pay your taxes. But don't pretend you don't have a price. Okay. Everybody does. And that's why this morning the Rory McElroy's have a little egg on their face, but he's a man enough to acknowledge it's probably better for golf. When I try to remove myself from the situation and I look at the bigger picture and I look at 10 years down the line,

you know, I think ultimately this is going to be, it's going to be good for the game of professional golf. I think it secures the, it unifies it and it, and it's secure. it's financial future. You know some of your favorite golfers ever, the old heads, the old guys that you watched in the 60s and 70s and 80s. They were taking money from scrupulous characters, companies that you didn't have alignment with.

It didn't matter. It didn't matter. Nobody cared. So your TikTok made by China, authoritarian government, bad human rights record. NBA, by the way, is in bed with China. Remember all that kerfuffle? Remember all that stuff that Adam Silver and LeBron went through with China?

NBA looks the other way on China. You watch the NBA. You love the NBA. Are you bothered by their relationship with China? Not enough not to watch. Not enough not to watch. Your iPhone. Where'd they make that?

You're on Twitter today. You know the Saudis have a big chunk of Twitter? Our government, when I hear, well, well, these golfers, Phil Mickelson, didn't care about 9-11. Well, then our government didn't because their second biggest trade partner is Saudi Arabia. So spare me on the morals and the values and the preachiness is at some point everybody validates their life decisions. And the people that scream the loudest and lecture the most and are the most preachy. You can go to the Catholic Church. I was just watching a movie for about the 15th time a few nights ago, spotlight.

It's one of the great movies of all time. One of the great movies, one of the best written movies I've ever seen in my life. You start looking at our churches, our corporations, our government, our owners of our sports teams. You don't know what you don't know. Be very careful about lecturing others on taking $200 million, which all of us, I've said before. I was offered this, no thanks. You know, if somebody would have multiplied it by 50, I probably would have said thanks. I probably would have felt some responsibility to my family.

I would have validated the decision by me. Yeah. You think Roy McElroy talked to his family before saying no to over $100 million from the Saudis? Do you know, Tiger? I read it yesterday. I don't know if it's accurate. Tiger was offered like $800 million. Now Tiger, of course, is worth a billion or a lot.

So he turned it down. This is more than generational wealth. $100 million for Roy McElroy is the next five generations are going to eat for you. Well, if you live in California, the government takes half. Whatever, fine. $100 million becomes $50 million. Oh, yeah. Come on.

But I see this all the time. It is, well, you're just selling out. You know, I hear this all the time. When a band goes big, oh, they sold out. Yes, all their shows. They sold out the Rose Bowl and SoFi Stadium. And when opportunities present themselves, all of us in America rationalize our decisions if we're a little uncomfortable with it. Remember when I sold the website.

People said you sold out. Yes. You're different now. You're owned by USA Today. Come on. You're not the small, cool, hip website that you once were. You're sold out. You're one of the only bloggers, whoever did it right.

You built it, sold it, quick, got out, and built it and have a beautiful family and a beautiful house because you knew it wasn't a 30-year business. 90% of those bloggers now disappeared into the ether. Irrelevant. I would say 98% completely irrelevant. You built it, sold it. got out, understood the timing of the market. There's nothing about, you can't listen to the virtue signalers out there. Everybody's just, you know, you go to all these social media, follower of Christ,

and they're the rudest people on the internet. It's like, give me a break, okay? Just remember, a lot of these media members bashing the PGA, they've never run a business. They have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. We don't know the finances of the PGA. Are they in dire straits? Do we have that bite? I mean, Shepnuck, get that bite again.

yesterday was a moment of clarity for me. Alan Shipnuck, who, by the way, again, this is a guy that covers it professionally for all the pearl clutches said this yesterday. The European PGA tour would have gone out of business a long time ago if it was not hosting its biggest money events in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Turkey, China. That tour stayed in business playing in these places with autocratic governments. it's always been a factor in the sports world. I mean, you mentioned the EPL. I mean, half of those teams in the English Premier League are now owned by Saudi Arabia or other Middle Eastern interests.

And so it always felt a little hollow and a little sanctimonias. Now, the tour's biggest sponsors, Coca-Cola, FedEx, Morgan Stanley, they all do business in Saudi Arabia. They have for a long time. So the lines got very blurry. Yes, no reasonable person would deny what he just said. The lines have gotten very blurry. LIV was succeeding but needed to be on television. You're not a legitimate sport unless you have a TV contract.

You got to be on Fox. You've got to be on CBS. You've got to be on a big dog. You've got to be on television. I mean, that's why women's basketball is one of the fastest, it may be the fastest growing sport in the country. During March Madness, you had the young ladies. he played for Iowa.

Why is women's basketball growing? It's not the attendance. It's their television ratings. They're more viable on television. Therefore, women's basketball is growing. We're not counting seats for college basketball games in the Big Ten. Women's basketball is growing because the ratings are growing. And the LIV had a hole in their business.

We don't really have a legitimate business partner. Golf had a hole in their business. They were running out of money. They were having now. to pay a little bit more money, right? They were under the microscope a little bit. You had two major sponsors pull out. And they're like, you know what we need?

We need Brooks Kepka back. I don't think it's a coincidence when Brooks Kepka wins the PGA championship. You look at those ratings and you're like, we need him back on our tour. We need Phil Mickelson back on our tour. So you had two entities that both had a hole. The PGA tour had a lot of Scotty. Sheffler's great golfer, but if you're a casual, which most golf fans are, he didn't get you to a TV. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app.

Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes. for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what you're saying. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger, than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard,

but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment. And the next, we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations, stories that don't always get told,

and for people who are chasing something bigger. So if you've ever supported me or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the look back at it podcast. I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick it here, unpack what went down,

and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. So, Thank you for finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really?

Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. By the way, speaking of fans that rationalize things and why I have defended the live golfers from the beginning, I don't have to agree with them. But people rationalize their choices, who they vote for. that Cleveland Brown fans, Deshawn Watson's behavior is despicable and grotesque,

especially if you have a wife or a daughter or a sister. It's grotesque. Y'all got over it really quickly, didn't you? Because you want to win more football games, and Baker Mayfield wasn't good enough. So you rationalize it. We do this all the time. Your favorite athlete, your favorite politician.

You rationalize the decision because it's good for your team. It's good for your wall, it's good for your taxes. All I'm saying is, I get it. I'm not going to be sanctimonious and preachy. I get it. Everybody's got a price. And I thought the Gulf, Jay Monaghan, was completely inappropriate in bringing up 9-11 on Saudi Arabia when golf, the European tour has had connections. European golfers, the Shell Oil Golf Tournament in this country, the biggest sponsors of the PGA, do business with the Middle East. Give me a break on that stuff.

Ryan Rishillo, my buddy, podcast host at the ringer. By the way, I don't think you and I have talked about that, and I know it's a very serious subject. But my takeaway on this stuff is I think I was too preachy as a talk show host in my 20s and 30s. I was too preachy. And I think once I had kids, I've realized I don't know squat. Life's become very gray. I don't have to agree with every. decision you or I make, but you make it for your taxes and your life and your family. I mean, well, I have a family. You have, you know, you have your guys. So you tell me, what was your takeaway on what happened yesterday? I wasn't even remotely surprised, you know.

I look, I'm very aligned with you on, you know, if you're going to be somebody who is going to knock everybody else for some kind of connection, then you better have all of your stuff buttoned up and that you're never, ever going to expose yourself to being a hypocrite later on. Like, if you want to be really preachy, then, okay, go ahead, do it. But I guarantee I can find something that makes you really inconsistent with the stuff that you're saying publicly. So, you know, I really, like, it was just, it was, it was one of those things in the beginning where it's like, wait a minute, so you're pro-live golf, so that means dot, dot, dot.

You're like, nope, that's not what I said. That's not what I said. What I'm saying is, is that it seems to be that business trumps everything. Yeah. And it happened again. And to act like it's any like to act like this is some surprise and then what? You're going to do your 10 minutes on it. You're going to say bad things are bad. Okay. Cool. You win. Awesome monologue. I'm not even talking about you. You know, like, oh, bad things are bad. All right. Awesome. What's what's in the B block? So I don't really look at this thing. I wasn't remotely surprised that this is what happened at the end because this is what always happens. And that's why when it happened in the beginning, I didn't really have some aggressive take about it. it because I felt like this is so predictable and it's exactly what we all thought. So you came out. It's interesting on the John Morant situation. We were talking this morning and I said it's actually worse that his camp now said it's a toy gun and I'm like, wait, time out. So now you're just joking about this situation. Like now if I was a parent and I grounded my kid

and they mocked me and laughed about it, I'd be more upset. But your takeaway is I think a valid one that you think by and large fans get crazy on suspensions and John Morant falls into that. Yeah, we are punishment obsessed. I mean, there's some correlation of thing that we just talked about, right? You know, I remember like every time somebody got busted for weed, the first thing you would do is be like, okay, well, this guy gets busted for weed, and the Ray Rice suspension was only this. And you're like, okay, but, but this is what the NFL is allowed to do with the Ray Rice situation.

And this is what they did. And then ultimately, by the way, Ray Rice didn't play again. So the suspension that everybody wanted for Ray Rice, like, you got it. It may have not been in the memo, but you got it. You got that suspension. And so anybody that suggests like, well, like, how do you debate some of these awful things that happen and then go, yeah, that feels like six games? oh, that's a little nasty or maybe it's nine

because everybody's afraid to be like, okay, this bad thing happened is what's the right number of games for somebody to be suspended? And I always feel like there's a line of like how far you can be suspended

where I'm like, okay, that seems high. So with Jha, as dumb as this stuff keeps happening, that's happening, if it's half the season, Colin, that's insane to me. But nobody would want to say, like, well, I think 20 games is too long.

And you're like, wait, so that means you think what Jaws been doing is good? No. I think everything he's done is impossibly stupid here. And there's probably more that we don't even know about. But the way this was teased by the NBA and Silver being like, hey, this time around. And then the way it gets talked about in our circles of like, could it be a season? Could it be a season? Like, are you kidding?

But I think some of us that are on the other side of not even not having punishment handed out, like none of us want to seem light on it to then seem like we're okay with the acts that led to the punishment in the first place. Right. So I remember during the Boston Miami series, I said, it just seems like, I remember my take was it feels like Boston has way more good players, but Spow will win two games. So it's a six game series. Spow's going to just steal two wins. Well, it was probably three. But then I started thinking as I watched them, have I overvalued Boston talent and undervalued Miami. So let me ask you for a guy that watches more basketball than anybody I know that doesn't

work in the league. Is Miami just more talented than any of us want to admit? No. I know we have a really hard time when there are results. And you're like, all this happens. So that means that all this stuff happened. Okay. If you took Miami's roster and bosses' roster and handed it out in a dispersal draft,

you wouldn't all of a sudden be taking more of Miami players and Boston players. And that really speaks to one, how prepared Miami is. They're smarter than everybody. They're tougher than everybody. You know, Butler is wired a certain way that you want him closing your games. But some weird stuff has happened along the way. Caleb Martin scored more points in the Eastern Conference Finals than any undrafted player has ever scored in the finals or conference finals since the modern draft going back to 1967. Miami had a negative point differential in the regular season.

The last team to make it to the NBA finals with that staff was I think the 1959 Minneapolis Lakers. All right. They have a negative point differential through the first three quarters of all of their quarters so far in the playoffs, but are like plus 90 in the fourth. Yeah. So what happens is, is the rules for what we do are like, wait, they keep beating everybody. That means that they're actually way more talented.

Yeah, like clearly Caleb Martin has. something to him at times. Then Gabe Vitson picks them up. Then Max Drews hits a million shots. We all like Bam. We like Jimmy. But they've lost like two rotation guys throughout this and they're mixing and matching it and they're still here where they're tied in the NBA finals. So I like to look at it this way. It's okay to suggest that this is really special. Okay. But it can't be both special and almost unprecedented in my NBA watching career. Yeah. If they pull this off. If they pull this off. And even getting to this point, it can't be special but also to be expected because if it were expected that it wouldn't be special

and that's what this is right now if they pull this off Colin I think it's the most unlikely title run of of the 40 years that I've been watching this for yeah the um Frank Vogel got a job with the sons it didn't bother me because I think he's good with Biggs and they got to figure out d'Andre Aiton and I think he'll probably be good for the room he's not a confrontational guy something was wrong with the culture and Monty and Aiton and I like Monty, but it just wasn't working. What do you make of the people that go, oh, here's another reed tread, here's his fourth job. What do you make of that? Coaching hires are a lot like relationships, right?

Whatever you did or didn't have in the past, you know, you're thinking about the next one. Like you always used to tell me about your dating life and you were like, you know, like she doesn't respect me. I need somebody who's going to respect me in the future. And I was like, well, look, some of your takes are spicy. And, you know, if you're going to bring this home, if you're going to bring the work home with the takes, you know, anyways. But you're happy now and everything's good. That's right. Be happier for you as a friend.

Extreme close-up on the shot today, I'm noticing, by the way. Anyway, when you have a new coach who doesn't have experience before, it's almost like a lot. You're going to go back to the coach that has experience. And what we had in the 22 to 21 cycles, we had seven head coaches, I believe, that were hired that had no previous head coaching experience. So the cool thing going back to the summer of 21 and a couple hires in 22 were, okay, who's the long-term assistant who's never gotten his shot? Who's the new young assistant that everybody thinks is awesome that we're going to give him his shot? And I think the counter to that, again, you know, I don't think people understand how quickly these guys are fired. You really, Taylor Jenkins has the fifth longest tenure in the NBA as a head coach, and he was hired four years ago.

Okay. That's nuts. So all of these guys are getting fired no matter what anyway, so it doesn't really matter. But I think what we're seeing, even if you want to go specific to like Quinn Snyder left Utah, there were a bunch of places that wanted him to be the head coach. Vogel should have never been fired. I'm happy Darwin Ham finally got his chance. But the idea that any of the Westbrook stuff was Vogel's fault. Remember that old, that old tail being told?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Now that Vogel's gone, he'll figure Westbrook out. Now, that was, it would, so Vogel never should have been fired in the first place. And Nurse, even though it feels like it ran its course in Toronto, I'm telling you, the list is not very long of guys ahead of him that when other teams are talking about, like, looking at special things that teams do, well, that Nurse teams did in Toronto, the way he would prep his team up for certain matchups.

They were like, Nurse is, like, head of the class when. it comes to that. So it can feel a little retready-ish, but really I think what we're doing is we're entering a new cycle of teams going, you know what, actually, let me just bring in somebody who has a lot of experience and nurse. You know, I think the job itself, it's just hard to have this job a long time, even if you're doing a good job. All right, buddy, good seeing you. Maybe I should make my way down to the beach and hang out with you a couple beers coming up soon, all right? Return my text. Well, I don't know. When the sun comes out, I'll let you know. Right. I appreciate it, buddy.

Ryan Rusillo. See it. All right. Yeah, so the nut, you know, Darwin Ham, I thought, did a really good job. He got criticized. But we were talking about this this morning. It's Frank Vogel's fourth job.

You would never do that in the NFL, but you would never fire guys in the NFL like you fire him in the NBA. So that's why it feels like some of these guys, you know, are retreads. Vogel should have never been fired by the Lakers. You've heard of C. Oh, my bad. JMAQ with the news. No, no, no, no.

Turn on the news. This is the herd. I told you I saw Rosillo at my gym. Yeah. And, you know, I like to think I work out a lot. I'm in good shape. He's a rep, yeah. He's just massive.

The guy who looks like an NFL linebacker. Yeah. He lives a lot. Yeah. I'm more trying to get cut, you know, show muscles for the beach, and he's just a mountain of a man. When are you going to start working out? Well, one of these days. Last night I had a big bowl of ice cream.

So Monday night drinking with Buker. Last night ice cream, you're slacking post-island, huh? Yeah. I'd be honest with you. It felt great. I went to bed happy. You didn't. You went to bed with sore abs.

I went to bed with sore abs. Sour abs. I bet in early last night. It'll be a late night tonight because it's game three of the finals. Series tied at one. There's a big one. Michael Malone expects Denver to show more discipline. After pretty bad defensive showing,

17 clips he showed his team of really terrible defensive rotations. Malone talked about how the Nuggets can improve heading into game three. Every clip was a discipline clip. if you will, where our discipline, whether it was game plan, whether it's personnel, whether it's defending without fouling, whatever may be, 17 clips added up to over 40 points in game two. Wow. And that to me is staggering.

So what we can do better is just be a lot more disciplined in terms of the game plan, who I'm guarding, and most of that stems from communication. And we had way too many examples for an NBA finals game where we have guys not on the same page because of a lack of communication. 40 points on bad defense. I will say this. You leave guys open in the NBA most of the time. Even a wretched three-point shooting team like the heat who are 27th in the league this year.

And all of a sudden they can hit. All of a sudden they can make every shot. Yeah, and Tyler Hero is not playing. Well, Tyler Hero officially out for this one. Maybe they're thinking, hey, game four, if we need him, he'll be back and provide some punch the bench. I think the guy to watch tonight is Jamal Murray. Yes. Yeah. Is Jimmy Butler going to chase him around? Is Jamal Murray going to force stuff to get in the offense? Well, you know, you forget that outside of the first five minutes

of that game, from that point until the fourth, midway through the fourth, I felt like Denver was the better team. Denver melted in the fourth with about eight minutes to go. They just started playing poorly. But remember, it was like 10-2 run. Miami took a lead. And then Denver kind of settled down and control the next two and a half quarters. I think the heat trail by eight going into the fourth quarter. And then Duncan Robinson, who had not scored, erupts because of bad, lazy defense. So yeah, I'm kind of with you, I think Denver tonight. Is there any player props you'd attack?

Why do you think that's a good game? Well, what I think happens is I would take an under on like a Jimmy Butler, and I think guys like Jamal Murray, Gordon Porter, have better nights. I think they're going to try to move the ball better Denver is, because that's what they do. well. You know, spacing, move the ball, and try to get Michael Porter a little more involved offensively. He fell asleep. Tyler Hero, by the way, just have it in my notes here. He's making $30 million a year. 30 million dollars on your bench. And you're still hanging tough, beating the Celtics. Pretty incredible stuff for Miami. Next up, everybody's favorite team. The New York

Jets. Aaron Rogers, time to talk about him, Colin. The media caught up with linebacker, C.J. Mosley yesterday. Mosley, of course, the former Baltimore Raven. He said their June feel like real games because they have a real quarterback under center. It's a different vibe. He sets the bar. He sets the expectation with his resume, with his name, and the way he approaches the game every single day. So as soon as he got here, you can see it.

He has so much attention to detail where he's looking at where I want to get things away. He has a lot of attention to details. That's all I'm going to say. And it's helping our offense and it's helping our defense every single day. You know, I love C.J. Mosley, but he has struggled to stay on the field, hasn't he? He has had some injuries, but he was good last year. He's a very good player. Yeah, very solid, solid linebacker.

Yeah. This is going to come down to Rogers' protection. And, you know, we haven't heard a lot about Mackay Beckton, Dwayne Brown, his left tackle situation. Jets trying to sweep that under the rug and figure it out. Quintinna Williams, obviously, looking to get paid, but a lot of good jet stuff coming up because I know you like talking about Aaron Rogers. I do. I think it's interesting. Yeah.

Final story is Josh Allen, a little less interesting. He's yet to get a Super Bowl ring, but one of his childhood games dreams came to fruition today. EA Sports announced Josh Allen will grace the cover of Madden 24 this season, joining guys like Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, recent stars to earn that honor. I don't know, was there a Madden curse? Wasn't that like a thing once? I've never played it. You've never played Madden? I don't play video games.

I've kind of been banned of playing video games, but I would like to if I I had the chance. They're fun. I just, I haven't played a video game in 40 years. I played, I used to work at a bowling alley. Whoa. And when I was a kid job. I set pins and I worked at a bowling alley behind the desk, gave out shoes. And there was a, you'd have to pay. My mom would give me like three bucks and change every time I went to work. And I would, uh, you know, this is like young when I was like 16, 17, 18. And I would play, what's that Atari game when you're shooting? Space Invaders? Astroids. Astroids, okay. Yeah. So that's the last video game. I should say I did play some Pac-Man.

Yeah, of course. Come on. Hey, I got to ask you now that you got me talking about bowling. Sorry, Josh Allen. Are you good at bowling? Yeah, pretty good. Should we have a bowling contest? I don't like it that much. Oh, I thought we would just go head-to-head, you know, for fun.

Does everything have to be a competition? Yes, of course it does. Come on, bowling? You know, back in the day, it was a bowling contest here at FS1 among the shows. Who won? I do have a trophy at home. Small, small trophy. Are you proud of it?

I love winning. I'm good at bowling. I'm a natural athlete. You know, ping pong, bowling. People love to hear that. Tennis. Very humble as well. J-Mack, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Herd-Ly News. I don't know what my wife would do if she walked in and I was playing video games. She would tell me to grow up. I can tell you what wives might say if that happens. Why did you stop playing? Do you want to take a guess? Your wife said grow up. Something like that.

Yeah. She's not watching so I can say that. Yeah, she said grow up. But I know relatives are watching and they're like, dang, Jay. Why are you putting that out there? You have kids. Listen, I know, listen, sometimes you want to unwind, right? What are you going to?

I'm not like drinking, you know? I'm not like out boozing it up like you are like you are with all your sources. So I think video games are a great way to unwind. I own a soccer team so I play some FIFA. Now, that's supposed to be the, of all the video games, they say FIFA soccer is the best by far. Yeah. Then you start a franchise in the NBA, play your son. It's like good bonding, you know, stuff like that.

It's fun. Not trying to be judgy. I'm just... Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Hey, it's me, Rob Parker. Check out my weekly MLB podcast inside the Parker

for 22 minutes of pipe and hot baseball talk featuring the biggest names of newsmakers in the sport, whether you believe in analytics or the I-Cast We've got all the bases covered. New episodes drop every Thursday, so do yourself a favor and listen to Inside the Parker with Rob Parker on the IHartRadio app or wherever you get your podcast. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'll say it. Yep, that's me, Cliver Taylor the 4th. You might have seen the skits, the reactions, my journey from basketball to college football, or my career in sports media.

Well, somewhere along the way, this platform became bigger than I ever imagined. And now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfiltered conversations with some of your favorite athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated. One week, I'll take you behind the scenes of the biggest moments in sports and entertainment, and the next we'll talk about life, mental health, purpose, and even music. The Clifford Show isn't just a podcast. It's a space for honest conversations,

stories that don't always get told, and for people who are chasing something bigger. So, if you've ever supported me, or you're just chasing down a dream, this is right where you need to be. Listen to the Clifford show on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do a little kill? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast.

I'm Sam J. And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack. so I'm starting to see that there's a through line.

We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you finishing that sentence. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know, things are heating up, as the NBA final said to Miami for game three,

and that means everyone. playing Fox Bet Super 6 gets a chance to win $10,000 for free. Download the Super 6 app on your phone now and enter your 6. Game 3 predictions for your shot to win. So years ago, I am one of those people that I hear this loyalty thing all the time and people banged on the golfers that left. They weren't loyal to the PGA. But here's how I kind of look beyond just golf.

as I look at loyalty. So years, this is a ridiculous story, but years and years ago, I was sitting with a guy. It was a nice man. He was a radio guy. And I was in Portland, Oregon, and I was offered to go somewhere else. And he just went on and on about loyalty. And he's a very funny guy. Loyalty and you're part of a team.

And he really got me thinking. It was like Friday afternoon. Sunday night, I get a call. He took a job in Boston. What happened to the loyalty thing? My takeaway is LeBron James. Why should he have been loyal to Cleveland? They couldn't get him a second good player.

He went to Miami. Why should he be loyal to Miami? The team got old. Then he went to Cleveland a second time. Why should he stay? It's Cleveland. He went to Los Angeles. Los Angeles is the biggest economy in the country by a stretch.

Seventh, eighth, ninth biggest, I think in the world. California economy. This idea about loyalty, you know, Chris Rock the comedian said it best. A man is as loyal as his options. So the reality is the PGA sanctimoniously lectured golfers on loyalty and six months later took a paycheck. So Kevin Durant was supposed to be loyal to Oklahoma City. They were coddling Russell Westbrook. They traded away. hardened and got a bag of peanut brittle for him. They got nothing for him. So loyal to what? The GM, Sam Presti's a nice guy, but they didn't do a good job in that situation. What do you want guys to be loyal? Damian Lillard's one of my favorite NBA players.

I would argue loyalties hurt him. He's never playing in May and June. Damian Lillard would be much better served to be on my television tonight. It'd be better for his business. Now, I'm not criticizing him for being loyal, but what I'm saying is I could argue it's been, it's not always been the greatest Bradley Beale at Washington. Bradley Beal's a terrific NBA player. I've been on this thing for seven years. I love Bradley Beal. He's never playing late.

He's invisible. He could have a much bigger shoe deal, a much bigger social revenue stream. If he decided, now, that may not matter to him. I totally respect that. But I see this all the time when fans complain about the name image likeness and the transfer portal. And these coaches, they don't like all these players transferring. Are you kidding me?

These coaches are taking better jobs every 15 minutes. And I don't blame the coaches because athletic directors are under enormous pressure at Notre Dame, at Texas, at Clemson, at USC. The boosters are all over the athletic director. The athletic director have to make big decisions. Lane Kiffin once got fired after a loss in an airport parking garage. It's the reality of the business. but what confounds me are these people out there, these that look down at people who take opportunities.

Have you noticed something about people that, quote, aren't loyal? They're often the most talented people, meaning they get a call, their agent calls, a company calls. I've had, I worked at another company before this one, And I feel great loyalty to where I work now. I really like my bosses and my radio bosses, my TV bosses. I really have great affection for them. I think they're excellent.

They've supported me. But I was at a company and I left that company. And I remember people rolling their eyes. And that company has let go of over five, six, seven hundred people, many most hardworking, decent people. Where's the loyalty? I'm moved because the company didn't have a plan for me. I didn't think I was disloyal.

I just didn't think they had a plan. it wasn't my responsibility for my managers to get how I'm talented I thought I was. Maybe I'm delusional. But the point being, I don't get the people who criticize those who take opportunities. I just think those people have never been given opportunities. We talked about this earlier, these college kids that go to universities, college basketball, college football, men and women. And then they go there and they're often, you know, a lot of these coaches in college are salespeople. They're great salespeople.

It's almost biblical sounding. They're like preachers. And then the kid gets on campus and realized they've said that to the same other nine wide receivers they brought into camp. And they're sitting there thinking, I'm never going to play. Is that disloyal for leaving and saying, I want to pack my bags and go to the school down the street? Because they're going to play me. So I am very consistent on this. I am pro.

Be opportunistic. I am pro. Try to see around corners. I am pro. Now, I'm very, very fortunate. I like where I'm at. I feel supported. But when I didn't earlier, locally or nationally, I moved.

I didn't think I lacked anything. I thought I tested the waters and sniffed around and felt around and thought they're not going to support me the way I think I need to be supported. So, I mean, you and I talk about this off the air all the time. There's this small, maybe it's a small group of people that just cling to this loyalty thing. And it just, folks, things change all the time. time a meteor could hit the planet tomorrow. It's one of those old-fashioned values that people really cling to. You've got to be loyal to the company.

But the problem is a lot. You know, I have a buddy who is kind of in the media industry. And he had been loyal to this company for a long time. Layoffs came around. He got the axe. And he said it was one of those jarring experiences where he realized they don't really care about you. I know you like to think, I've been here forever.

I'm going to get the gold watch it 25 years or whatever. They just, they don't really care about you. you've got to look out for number one. And that's why, from the jump, I've defended that Kevin Durant move from OKC to Golden State back in 2016. I'll defend any NBA player leaving. I defended LeBron leaving Cleveland. LeBron asked for help as he sees the Celtics loading up. Remember back in 2007?

The Orlando Magic got Dwight Howard help. And, you know, LeBron asked for help. And they get him like Antoine Jameson, who was like 34, like 35-year-old Shaq. And it's like, I'm sorry, I got to look out for number one. And I know people think that's selfish, Colin. but you know what? Nobody else is looking out for you because they aren't. The company's not looking out for you.

They're not. You've got to look out for yourself. I'm with you on this. Yeah, I mean, I just see it all over sports. I mean, look at the NBA. Frank Vogel won a championship with the Lakers and they fired him because he couldn't make that Westbrook thing work. Well, either could Darwin Ham and you love him and they got rid of him.

So basically LeBron's camp wanted Westbrook. That's fine. Russell plays very hard. but Vogel wins a title and they get rid of him. Ed Orgeron wins a championship at LSU. Two years later, he's out of work. Gene Chisick won a championship at Auburn. Two years later, I think two, maybe three, he's out of work.

So you want these coaches to be loyal and these players to be loyal and these stars to be loyal. Why? I mean, look at how good Zeke was for the Cowboys. The minute Tony Pollard pops, boom, see you. By the way, I would have done the same thing. So that's not saying that organizations and companies don't care about employees. I am not insinuating that. But Phil Mickelson complained for a decade.

He's like, shouldn't I be paid to come to these events? When I win these events and I'm playing on Sunday, I see the television ratings. Why don't I get any part of that? We're all independent contractors. Why don't I get any part of that? Why isn't there a fee for me to show up by the PGA? So, you know, that's why I've defended these guys. It's not like Phil was the happiest guy in the world and was treated just beautifully by the PGA.

There's a reason a lot of these guys left. Do you think they all lack morals? No, what they lack was appreciation by the tour to understand the value of Brooks Kepka and the value of Phil Mickelson. And, you know, I feel very supported. But there are a lot of people out there in pro sports. They leave because they don't feel supported. And by the way, companies make bets, governments make bets, tours, TV networks make bets on people. And oftentimes they won't bet on you.

So if you want to go, go. Yeah. And loyalty is a function of appreciation, a quote I just found on the internet. you got to wonder if you're one of those PGA guys who did not take the money because you were loyal, what are you saying in a one-on-one with Monaghan and PGA brass? What are you saying to them in the meeting? you got to do what's good for you, but now I've got to do what's good for me. And get the bleep out of my face and, you know, I'm probably going to go off on him. Right. Rory McElroy should say to the new tour, okay, I want a million and a half dollars to show up to any tournament. I want to check into my bank account.

Would you say I want a new commissioner of the PGA? I don't trust this guy. And guess what? Every other golfer behind me, we cannot trust this dude. I wouldn't care about that. I don't want my boss is fired. What I want is I want a million and a half dollars the first minute I sign the deal to play in your tournament, I want a bank transfer within 12 hours or I don't show up, because Rory McElroy gets me to pay to watch a golf tournament. He gets me. He's one of the four, three or four guys. So PGA's counter is probably what? Well, if we do that for you, we got to do that

for a bunch of guys. No, no, no, no. That precedent argument's nonsense. There you go. There's only about four golfers in the world that can migrate an audience. Brooks Kepka's one of them, fills another. I think Rory's one of them. Maybe Dustin Johnson. Tiger. Well, yeah, you're right. when he's, but this whole argument, we don't want to start a precedent. Some people are a precedent. Howard Stern was a precedent. Figure it out. Patrick Mahomes is a precedent.

Figure it out. Simply safe. Doesn't rest on its laurels. No safe like SimplySafe. 20% off your security system at home if you go to simply safe, collin.com. Hour three is coming up next. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care which I'll say it. Yep, that's me. Cliver Taylor, the Friber. You might have seen the skits, my basketball and college football journey, or my career in sports media. Well, now I'm bringing all of that excitement to my brand new podcast, The Clifford Show. This is a place for raw, unfilts of conversations with athletes, creators, and voices that not only deserve to be heard, but celebrated.

So let's get to it. Listen to The Clifford Show on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok podcast network on TikTok. On the Look Back at it podcast. 1979, that was a big moment for me. 84 was big to me. I'm Sam Jay. And I'm Alex English.

Each episode, we pick a year, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. With our friends, fellow comedians, and favorite authors. Like Mark Lamont Hill on the 80s. 84 was a wild year. I mean, it was a wild year. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Listen to Look Back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is an IHeart podcast.

Guaranteed human.