The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Greg Cosell Breaks Down Chiefs Issues and Eagles Moves

Episode Date: September 11, 2025

Greg Cosell joins The Herd to talk the Thursday Night game between the Packers and Commanders, the issues with the Chiefs passing game, the moves the Eagles are making so early in the season, and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Against the Washington commanders. I think I said in my herd hierarchy, the most impressive team I saw in week one was Green Bay. Defensively, Micah only played 40, 45% of the snaps. I thought they got Roshan Gary. I thought they opened up matchups for other players. I thought their offense looked good. I think Green Bay drafts so well. their wide receiver and tight end talent is exemplary.

Whereas Philadelphia, we know they have a stack roster, but I thought there were running lanes that the Cowboys found. I thought both C.D. Lamb and George Pickens separated from the, especially C.D. Lam separated from his corner coverage. I thought Green Bay looked as good as anybody. And then there's the other side of the coin, Monday Night Football, where the Bears looked really bad in the second half, but until the fourth quarter, J.J. McCarthy looked low.

lost, and with that Greg CoSell joining us as he's done for a decade-plus NFL films, 46 years. So listen, the layups weren't there, the overthrows were there. The one positive takeaway I had with Caleb, Greg, was that on that first series, a lot of underneath stuff, he didn't get lured into throwing the ball down the field with Brian Flores. He kind of took what they gave him. He moved. He made one nice throw to Roma Dunzee, but it did feel like. He wasn't seeing the field particularly well, and he was missing on some layups.

What did the film say with Caleb, week one? Yeah, and I think that's fair, and I think that early in the game, it was probably by design that they wanted him to take checkdowns, and if that was available to get the ball out. But I went through that tape pretty carefully. So what I decided to do, Colin, was to read a couple of things that I typed, because that's what I do when I watch tape. I take really detailed notes.

So here's what I said. A couple of things. I said, Williams, at this point in his development is not a refined or advanced anticipation thrower. Then I also said, Williams at this point does not play with the needed clarity from the pocket that is demanded to effectively work through progressions and deliver the ball within structure and timing. And those things really showed up.

Now, again, I'm watching this particular tape. I'm not making a judgment about his entire future. but he's got things that need to be clearly worked on. I'm sure they're working on them. He also has a habit. We've discussed this last year as well. He has a habit of climbing the pocket when there's no pressure. So what he does is he creates his own pressure.

And the result of all of this is there's too many what we call turn downs, throws that are there that he does not make. And in any given week, Colin, and you know this, can he make special plays because he has a great arm? throws a beautiful ball, although he missed a lot of throws with poor accuracy in this game, but he has a beautiful arm, and he's obviously very mobile and can make plays outside of structure. But that's not the way you can live in the NFL, as you know, week to week. So, J.J. McCarthy, let's just take out the pick six in the first three quarters.

What did he do in the fourth that could materialize the rest of the season? Because clearly, he gained confidence. you know what I said Monday or Tuesday, I said there's a little Baker Mayfield that he plays with great emotion. Michael Pennix, for instance, does not. Michael Pennix drops, Tua doesn't play with huge emotion, but when I watched Baker and J.J. McCarthy, when J.J. McCarthy hit Justin Jefferson fourth quarter on the sideline, literally, his accuracy and velocity seemed to improve. He plays on the sideline after the game. He's a very emotional player. So what did he do in the fourth that you think he can replicate going forward?

Well, it's funny. You mentioned that throw, that 17-yarder on the outcut to Jefferson, which was actually his best throw. It was a far-hash, deep sideline throw sitting on his back foot and driving the ball. But, you know, watching that game, it made me think so much about the connection between the offensive coordinator and the quarterback. Because we're looking right now at Aaron Jones' touchdown. That was a scheme to play, and it worked. So when a coordinator calls a play and the primary receiver is open, and the play breaks down the defense the way you anticipate when you make the play call,

and the quarterback executes it, which is what you want, by the way, that's what every coordinator wants. Where do we give the credit? Is the credit to the coordinator? Is the credit to the quarterback? You know, executing well-designed plays. Look what Sam Donald did in Minnesota last year. And now J.J. McCarthy will reap the benefits of Kevin O'Connell being one of the best in the league at being able to do this.

Now, obviously, you want your quarterback to have confidence and feel like he can drop back and make those throws. But it always makes me think about the connection between the play caller and the quarterback. All right, Kansas City is a home dog to Philadelphia, and if they lose their 0 and 2, and that means your chances of making the playoffs are about 12%. So we'll get to Justin Herbert later. I just want to talk Kansas City. And this has been like a year and a half. It's been about a year problem.

It feels like to me, what are you seeing on film? Why does this offense is not as dominant on third down? It's less consistent. What do you see? And again, I can't tell you the reasons because I'm not there, but what the film shows is they do not have any true structured, timing, intermediate passing game. So it's a lot of quick rhythm, short throws, and it's Mahomes making Mahomes plays, where he gets out of the pocket and either runs, which, by the way, is a

significant part of their offense, is scrambling, or he gets out of the pocket and makes great throws as he did late in the game when he hit Brown, I think it was, for 49 yards, and it appeared as if they might, you know, come back and win that game. But there's really not been, and this goes back a year, year and a half, Colin, there has not really been a strong. structured intermediate passing game. I mean, they don't score a lot of points. The last two years, I think they've averaged about 22, maybe 23. Their defense has been phenomenal. Their defense has been in the top five in points allowed the last two years. So it's been kind of an odd offense to watch, but we're all waiting because he's done it so many times for Patrick Mahomes to make

special plays. And you know what? He'll make them. The question is, will there be enough of them now over the course of 17 games. I want to talk Green Bay. They play tonight. They host Washington or a field goal plus favorite. So they were the most impressive team to me that I watched. Offense, defense, coaching, structure. They have so many good tight-end wide receiver players that are not,

they're still on rookie contracts. So a lot of their young players are not yet entering their prime. They are so, so talented and so young. So let's start with Jordan Love. What's funny, Greg, if you ask most Packer fans going into the season, just Packer fans, and you said, is Jordan Love great? I think it's very split. We don't quite know what he is.

And my argument is he doesn't make a lot of mistakes. He's got a live arm and live legs. There's a lot there to like. What does the film say? Well, I think we know what he is, and you've just kind of hit it. You're dealing with a quarterback that's probably in terms of physical. trade's now top six, seven, eight in the league for sure. And with more and more experience, he'll become better at understanding when he can make throws, when he shouldn't make throws.

He'll play within the context of a given game. But it's funny, watching that tape, both sides of the ball, I was actually more struck by what Jeff Halfley did on defense. Now, it might be a totally different defense against Jane Daniels than Jared Goff because they're different players. So we don't know that. But the thing is, they did as good a job as I can recall, with what we call late coverage rotation, where the picture they showed before the snap of the ball and the picture they showed after the snap of the ball was so totally different.

And not just with one guy where all was safety moved. I'm talking about with three or four guys moving, totally changing the picture. Now, as I said, golf's a pure pocket player. It might be a totally different deal tonight against Jane Daniels. But I thought Jeff Hathley did a great job with that. And by the way, they pretty much only rushed four all game. hardly any blitzing. So they generated pressure with their down four.

Yeah, and he only played about 45% of the snap, so that'll probably get up to 65. 70, yeah. Yeah, so that'll get up to probably 75% of the snaps tonight. Okay, Justin Fields played as well as he's played, but let's talk Aaron Rogers. Yeah. So they don't have a great run game. I was kind of struck. Once again, this is the seventh straight year, the O line, but I was,

Is there anything watching Aaron? Let's talk Aaron. Was there anything that struck you about Aaron that impressed you or do you think, I mean, he hadn't been good in openers the previous three years? No, it was an odd game, and I'll tell you why. There were a lot of assignment mistakes by the Jets and coverage. Either assignment mistakes or the design of the play caused players to get out of position. So it was a tough game to make a true evaluation of Aaron Rogers. I mean, he made a couple of really good throws, obviously, but it was really well-schemed offensively at times, and then the Jets just had some mistakes that you can't make, and it gave him a lot of pitch-and-catch throws.

So just being honest, it was not a game where I came away thinking, good or bad. We know we can make throws. That's not an issue, but in terms of, hey, did he look great? There are a lot of wide-open receivers, so I think a lot of quarterbacks could have probably made the throws. Yeah, okay, so now I want to go to a game that not a lot of people watched, but it was funny because I rarely can I predict a game to look a certain way.

I can pick a winner occasionally, but I said Texans Rams, the defenses are going to dominate each other. It's going to be incredibly low scoring. It'll be incredibly ugly. That said, I thought Stafford actually played well, despite the fact their old line was banged up. What did the tape say on Stafford? again, the score doesn't tell the whole story.

What did the film say with Stafford against a great Texans aggressive defense? Yeah, and again, Sean McVeigh is so good with his formations, his use of motions, the way he expands zone coverage, creates voids and windows for Stafford. But Stafford, I mean, they're still not as pretty a thrower in the league as Matthew Stafford. And he made a couple of throws that were just big, big time throws. you need to do that through the course of the game. But they do such a good job overall with how they put together their offense, the motion. They use the tight end in what we call short burst motion to expand coverage, and then they work the middle of the field exceptionally well. I mean,

Stafford, look, you can always say if a quarterback's protected, he's going to throw the ball well, you know, to the best of that quarterback's ability. But if Stafford's protected, because he's such an elite throw over the football, he can just make really big-time throws. And he made one late in the game, a back shoulder to Devine to Adams versus Stingley, that was as good as you're going to see. Okay, here's a guy, the numbers may not impress you, but Jay Mack and I talked about this. I was kind of blown away by Cam Ward. You had to watch the game, but he made a couple of throws, and I'm like, okay, Denver's

pass rush, maybe the best in the league. It was a sea of orange on virtually every snap. I don't know. I thought Cam Ward seeing the field and accurately delivering the ball, considering the pass rush, considering the altitude, it's an opener. I saw a lot I liked with Cam Ward. I thought there were ups and downs, and I think the ball placement has to become a little more precise. You know, people got caught up in drops. There were really only three drops.

You know, when you throw a ball and it hits a guy's fingertips, it's not a drop. So, but he, I thought he read the field pretty well. The one thing that he has to learn, and many young quarterbacks, this is not specific to Cam Ward. And by the way, I like Cam Ward, as you know. But one of the things he has to learn, because they actually did a really good job, the coaching staff, particularly in the first half with their route designs, there were a lot of opportunities. He has to learn in the NFL what pressure is and what pressure isn't. Because in the NFL, there's more bodies around you than in college football, Colin, as you know,

because I know you watch a ton of college football as well. So a lot of quarterbacks, when they get in the league, they don't really have an innate feel for what pressure is. And if a body gets close, but it's not really pressure by NFL standards, they move and they break themselves down. And he did that a few times and lost some big play opportunities. And then one thing he'll for sure learn is you can't retreat backwards. He had a couple of times where he retreated backwards. You can't do that in the NFL. You know that.

Maybe Lamar Jackson's the only guy that can retreat backwards. So I thought it was ups and downs, but overall I thought he stayed in the game well. Like you didn't get the sense that he was overwhelmed by the game. But he's going to have to, I think, increase his tempo, his mental tempo a little bit against the NFL, faster defenses. But I would say probably more positive than negative, but it wasn't outstanding. You know, there is a, I have always said this. I have always felt that if the Ravens were, you know, I always felt that if the Ravens were,

win my gut feeling if I didn't watch the game, which I would of course, but my gut feeling would be, well, Lamar Jackson probably played pretty well. But if the bills win a big game, I'm like, well, Josh Allen was Superman. But I'm told you say that. That's a little bit of a myth that their offense is all Josh Allen. Well, it's funny because they made a decision last year that it couldn't be Josh Allen every week. It's tough to play that way, by the way, every week to explain. your quarterback to be Superman and win every week. This game dictated that, no question. And in the fourth quarter, just the fourth quarter alone, Colin, he was 16 for 21 for 251 yards. That's the fourth quarter. But the game dictated that. But last year, they made a conscious decision to be

more balanced. And I don't remember the exact number, but in terms of run-pass ratio, they were like second or third in the league last year in terms of their running game. So last year, it was not the Josh Allen show unless a game dictated that. And obviously the game on Sunday night dictated that and he made some big, big time throws. And what's really interesting about Josh Allen is he's developed the sense of understanding when he doesn't have to force the ball and when the game dictates that, hey, I've got to make throws. And, you know, he's developed that with experience. I think this is his eighth year now and he's a very calm, composed quarterback. But this game demanded that he make throws.

The throw he made to Josh Palmer on the final drive and then recognizing the zero coverage and hitting Coleman for 25 yards to make it a chip shot field goal, just two really good plays. All right, we're going to wrap it up with Justin Herbert. Let's start with this before the big play. Yeah. What have you seen now?

What have you seen in terms of what has Harbaugh done to Herbert where it is absolutely better for Justin than what he had with Brandon Staley. Like, what has Harbaugh done specifically for Justin? Well, there's a lot that comes from Harbaugh, and I'm sure Greg Roman, because they play a lot with a fullback, Scott Matlack, who was a D-N in college. So they play out of 21 personnel, two backs,

but it's a full-back, not a running back. They're really heavy on play action. I think they had the best play action percentage in the league this past week, week one. They did a lot of that a year ago, and play action, particularly when the quarterback is under center, to me, is a much better way to deploy play action than in the gun. They're now using more motion as a part of their offense, so there's a lot of factors that go into helping your quarterback get clear, defined reads. And the play that I wanted to show, and this came from week one against the Chiefs, and this is such a really good example of the kind of things they do. I know it was a chess match kind of play, because when you play Steve Spagnolo, and we can take a little.

look at the play now. It was actually the touchdown pass to Quentin Johnston so we can take a look at it. Here it is. This is the chess match play because when you play spags, you get a lot of sort of zero coverage looks and you know you're going to get that. So you're going to see Herbert in the gun here. They're at their 23-yard line. It's going to be a two-by-two set to start. It won't stay like that. Okay, so what do you see? What does Herbert see initially? He sees two deep safeties, a two-shell coverage. Now, what's going to happen here, and this is what I was talking about with the motion element, you're going to see Ladd-McConkey on the right side of the formation work across the formation. He's going to go in motion, and they'll see what the reaction is.

Now, they're going to snap the ball before he gets all the way across, so we're going to freeze it, and you'll see, but he's going to get all the way across the formation. Now, what's going to happen with the safeties, because no corner runs with him, the safeties bump over. So now you're going to see the route combination. It's really a three-man combination to the top of the field. The critical piece here is McConkey works outside of Johnston. So what do you get now with Johnston? He's going to run an overrout.

But now, because of the way the chiefs are playing this, he's going to run his overrout against the safety hicks. You'll take that any day of the week. They got exactly what they wanted. It's really kind of what we call zero coverage, because there's no other deep. because there's no other deep safety here. So it becomes pitch and catch because you get what you want,

Johnston, who can run and is big against the safety. So this is beautiful design, a great example of the chess match at work. And look, Colin, I think you'd agree. You know, obviously people talk about Herbert not winning, quote-unquote, big playoff games. But in terms of sheer physical talent, you're dealing with a guy that's top five in the league. Yeah, no question. Greg CoSell, 45, 46 years at NFL films. As always on Thursday, thanks, Greg.

Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. You know, we always, you know, throughout the course of a season, people put top 10 lists at quarterback, and it was interesting to hear Greg talk about Jordan Love. He's like, in terms of traits, arm-sized movement, he's top five or six. So we've hit on, Green Bay's hit on another quarterback, but we are getting to a point. if Cam Ward is as good as we think, Bo Nix is working, I think Drake May will work,

J.J. McCarthy, that looked pretty interesting to me in the fourth quarter. Michael Pennix is clearly a starting quarterback in the NFL. The hit, it's always been 50% of quarterbacks in the first round don't hit. But if you go to the last three big quarterback classes, it's about 75%, and next year is another big class. And I think part of that isn't just the player. Some of it is, I think part of it is we have significantly better and more offensive coaching today than 15 years ago.

The hit rate for first-round quarterbacks, I mean, Jaden Daniels hit. I would say after the J.J. McCarthy fourth quarter, hit. Bo Nix hit. Pennix absolutely a hit. Drake May didn't play well. I think he'll be fine. Hold on, Colin.

I'm sorry. I just have to ask. I heard you say, yes, they love Jordan Love in week one, but I thought I heard you say with traits and all this stuff, Coach Sell thinks he's in the top five, six among quarterbacks? Is that overall or just for certain things? No, traits are size, mobility, arm. He's absolutely, I mean, he's got a great arm,

and he's super athletic, and he's big. His traits are, and are not Josh Allen. Are we putting Jordan Love and like among the top 10 quarterbacks for sure now? In terms of traits. Traits, okay. Okay, the best trades in the league are Josh Allen. Allen, huge, huge arm super mobile. Well, if it's just traits, Herbert's above Moons, right?

Traits. Yeah. Well, no, no, no. Mahomes has a huge arm. So does Herbert. Big enough. The difference, yeah, but you're talking traits in terms of athletic ability. Mahomes is more athletic.

Justin's much more mechanical. That's an easy one. Every scout will tell you that Justin is still a bit mechanical. Mahomes is the opposite of mechanical. Mahomes and his dad bod? I mean, yes. Mechanical, yes. but Herbert can scoot.

Yeah, but he is a mechanical thrower. Yeah. That's just what he is. Penix, by the way, is a little bit, like with panics, he is a pocket passer. But he's not, and he's a fluid thrower. But in terms of traits, we're talking arm size movement. Oh, I think Jordan loves absolutely great. Interesting, yeah.

I like love a lot, but I almost wonder if we're going a little overboard off one week. Because remember, there were a lot of questions about him. coming in this summer. How good is Jordan Love? He was hard last year, but it's interesting to note at the end of last year, I think the numbers were, was it nine touchdowns,

no picks in his last four starts? There was something we talked about the other day. So he doesn't one of the things you get with Jordan Love, and this is very rare, Aaron Rogers had this, Mahomes had this. Where you get the risk, he'll make those back shoulder throws, he'll make those throws

where nobody's quite open, but it Don't get a lot of interceptions with Mahomes. He got lucky last week. Sorry, Jordan Love got lucky last week against the Lions. Dropped interception big time. Well, but that luck, remember, every quarterback has dropped passes. Every quarterback has dropped picks. If you look at Love's last 10 starts, he just doesn't throw a lot of interceptions.

And is willing to throw the ball, dangerous seam throws. I mean, he'll throw the ball into coverage. Don't get picked a lot. I know we're only hour too, but you've got to. take on tonight's game, a score? It sounds like you like Washington, maybe? No, no, no, no. I like Greenback. Three and a half I would take. I think it's a close game.

I would say my take is it's 27. I would not bet the game. I think it's 27, 23 Greenback. Okay. All right, so the over and the, I like that. I'll go 2414 Packers. Last eight, Jordan Love starts. Half a season. In a good division. 11 touchdowns, no picks.

That's not a small sample size. Mahomes was one of those guys. Aaron Rogers in his prime would run around, make throws, throws in the coverage, and Aaron wouldn't throw picks, and Mahomes wouldn't throw picks. That's very rare. Usually you get the far, where big arm, moving, but you get picks with it. Sam Darnold, again, really athletic. You get interceptions.

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Speaking of feel big, Colin, let's go to tonight's matchup. Packers and commanders. Jaden Daniels, man, what a rookie season. good last week. I didn't think he looked great, but also running the football was very effective. One thing he hasn't done yet in his career is play at Lambo Field. Tonight, he gets a shot. Be able to play a night game at Lambeau Field. You know, growing up, you hear about the history of Green Bay and everything, so I'm super

excited to go on that stadium and be able to experience that. Well, he has not only delivered, but it's surpassed through 18 games. Well, I mean, if you count playoffs, there's over 20. I, in my lifetime, I have never seen a quarterback this good this early. Not John Elway, which I vaguely remember, and not Andrew Locke, not Trevor Lawrence. This is the best quarterback through 20 games I have seen in my entire life. Poise, accuracy, mobility, smarts, leadership, he's number one. Wait, let me, is it 20 starts?

Because Patrick Mahomes sat out a year and then when he came in year two, he was unbelievable. Patrick Mahomes had Tyree Hill, Travis Kelsey, Andy Reed. He was, I would say, more dynamic in terms of great plays. But in terms of pre-snap, accuracy, fourth quarter, I mean, I guess second place would be Patrick Mahomes, but Patrick sat for a year. That's a fair comment.

Patrick did sit for a year. So if you want to count that, we'd probably do Mahomes 1, 20 stars. Mahomes won. I wonder what the numbers are. Mahomes, 20 starts, Jaden Daniels. Now, Jaden again, bad roster, you know, defensive head coach. You'd have to count that. But I want, if you took the first 20 starts, Mahomes, Jaden Daniels, what do they look like?

Yeah. Obviously, number three has to be Mark Sanchez, who took the Jets as a rookie to the AFC championship game. I remember. Yes, obviously. Real quick note tonight, I'm just telling you guys, if you're watching closely, keep an eye on this kid, Cooper of the Packers, the lineback. I have a feeling, no inside information, that he's going to be spying Jaden Daniels. They will not let him get loose.

And if you can keep Daniels in the pocket and contain, I don't know that they can win on the outside enough. Does Debo Samuel scare you? He was good in week one. But I don't know that he scares you in terms of separation. And I like the backer. Both Terry McLaurin, who signed late and Micah, who was traded late, watch them have an impact. You know, in week one, we talk more Debo.

Watch Micah play much more, far more snaps, and watch Terry McLoran have a bigger week two. That's a great Thursday night game. What are we doing next, Colin? What are we doing? Oh, it's Josh Allen, who did not have a great start to his career. I think 52% as a rookie throwing. But obviously, he was tremendous in the week one victory.

Heading into week two, he'll take out my jets, who have a tough run against him, and Sauce Gardner is, Looking forward to the matchup, not at all. I don't really enjoy it. You know, you never, as a corner, you never really enjoy playing against, like, running quarterbacks or quarterbacks that's capable of using their leagues and stuff like that. So, I'm looking forward to it.

You know, he's a competitor, he's a guy. The advantage to playing, the advantage for the Buffalo Bills and the Baltimore Ravens, and to some degree, like a Jalen Hertz or a Mahomes, it's harder to play man-to-man defense. you're almost forced into playing zone because you can't have cornerbacks turn their back. So one of the great things about having an athletic quarterback, the big advantages is you can kind of predict the coverage you'll see before the snap. It's very hard to play man and man against Lamar Jackson or Josh Allen.

Josh Allen, we have a couple numbers for you in the last three meetings with the Jets. Not great for my Jets. Allen is undefeated with nine total touchdowns and one pick. Now listen, the Jets were a dumpster fire last year. They fired Sala. whatever. A quick note. Alan's been great against the dolphins,

Patriots and Jets. That's not a Jets problem. He has dominated the division. He's great against everyone. So you see the line six and a half. If I get a seven, if you want to give me a seven, I'm taking it with the Jets.

I do believe their run game, which we saw against Pittsburgh, they're going to be able to run, just like Baltimore did, all over Buffalo and keep this close. Quick note, Colin. The rookie that the Jets drafted in the top 10, Membu from Missouri,

number one graded right tacked. in football in week one. Wow. He was tremendous, and sometimes he was matched up against a gentleman named T.J. Watt. Okay? Very interesting. So the Ohio State left tackle is excellent. Simmons, yeah.

So this is not a small thing. Oh, wait, wait. You talk a jet. So Foshanu went to Penn State, Penn State. Penn State. But the Jets now, for the foreseeable future, and for at least the next suite of four years, have elite tackles and are not paying them on. a second contract. Yeah.

So that's not a small thing because Justin Field does not have a big money deal with the Jets. So what it tells you is right now, if the Jets play well, and I was more impressed with the Jets than I was Pittsburgh despite losing, folks, this is not a small thing. And they got a good young receiver. It does appear that the Jets have foundational tackles if they want to re-sign them for the next 10 years. And there's not seven teams in the league that can say that.

That's a huge, and it's also an attractive thing if you went the free agent route for a quarterback, an older quarterback. What did Tom Brady when he went to Tampa? His whole thing was, I like the O line. You've got to get a right tackle. Jason Light got Tristan worse. Matt Stafford came to one of the reasons he came to the Rams. Havenstein right tackle, Andrew Whitworth left tackle.

So, I mean, that's one of the attractive things in the free agent market for quarterback. You can stay with Justin Fields, but if you went. big game hunting, you can sell to a free agent older quarterback. Foundational tackles. I like that. That's a really attractive thing that Jets now have. And they drafted the kid Tipman in the center from the Big Ten. He's been kicked inside because of injuries.

Listen, young players, Jets have Garrett Wilson, Brees Hall, Braylon Allen. They've got a lot of young talent on this team. You know, like you said, the quarterback is the missing piece. Final story, Colin, is the Dallas Cowboys. CD Lamb, rough opener against Philly with four drops. George Pickens only saw four targets. Remember, he's in a contract year. A lot of people waiting for him to start chirping.

He had three catches for 30 yards in the opener. Pickens has had some problems in the past, but he seems unbothered by the lack of targets. I'm not really worried about the touches, catches, all this stuff. I'm just trying to stay open for the team. Like I said, I'm trying to focus on the first win. My mind says for the team, bro. Just getting us a win.

That's what I want to feel first, so definitely getting us a win. Can I give you a problem? to consider. Please do. Why don't you go look at the over under on CD Lamb catches this week? All right. What is Dak Prescott going to do? He is going to go,

Dak Prescott is going to go big to CD Lamb to prove, don't worry about the drops, bro. This is what Dak Prescott does. Watch Dak Prescott go heavy, 12 targets to CD Lamb. I like that. The only concern is, the Giants pass rush could be a problem. And I don't know if that means dumpoffs or tight ends.

But I like where your read is because Lamb, you know, he was lamb-based. He's a great, and go look. So we think very highly of the Eagles corners. Do we not? We think highly of them. Well, CD-2 is a question for him. CD-Lam had as much separation as anybody week one. So C-D-Lam is getting open.

He had a bad opener. I think he also had like seven catches. So he had a bunch of drops, but he had a lot of catches. Keep your eye on C.D. Lamb reclamation. He will be big in this game. I like it. Jay Mack with the news. The news.

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The last 20 games, nobody has run the ball more than Philadelphia. The sole of the offense is Sequin Barclay, the O-line, and Jalen Hertz. I would argue they use tight ends about as effectively as everybody else. So right now, Nick Seriani and Jalen Hertz have come out to publicly say, I know he only had one target. We are very proud of A.J. Brown for understores. understanding it was just one of those kooky games where we

didn't throw to a wide receiver. But one target to me to A.J. Brown feels very much like the Randy Moss, New England, Miami game. It's not about catches. It didn't even target him. So here is A.J. Brown

on Siriani and Jalen Hertz sending him flowers saying, hey man, we appreciate you understanding. You only got one catch. Oh, I didn't like it. I'm not, honestly, I mean, it's cool to make an example out of it, but I'm not in it for participation trophies. I don't, I'm cool. I'm cool on that. I'm not asking that. That's a set-up question. I'm not answering that.

I'm going to be honest about it. I'm not answering that. But I'm going to focus on myself. I'm like my effort and what I do. So, just remember, New England needs a number one. New England was slow, sluggish, and deliberate in week one offensively. Drake Frable has worked with AJ Brown. Right? And remember, New England's a very young team, right? They're a pretty young team because they're going to, you know, the draft picks are going to play.

So they're going to have a lot of young starters. What they don't necessarily need is draft picks, right? What they need is somebody that can come in and produce. Because at offense, Drake Mays Young, right? Like young players are going to have a better chance to play for New England than a more established team with star players. So I think A.J. Brown and New England is in play. I think A.J. Brown and Tyreek Hill to Kansas City is in play.

Greg Kosell came on earlier and said, they just don't have dependable intermediate routes in Kansas City. Well, is that going to change? They didn't have them last year. And Rishie Rice is still five weeks away. And Xavier Worthy is now hurt. So I, and again, if Dallas would give up Micah Parsons right before the season, don't be shocked if A.J. Brown, and Nick Sariani is saying all the right stuff. Nick says, oh, we're going to

get in the ball this week. There's no secret about. We always want to get the ball to, you know, six and 11, and we're always trying to. And so, you know, we'll do an even better job as coaches trying to make sure that that happens. But what I do think, you know, and that obviously starts with me, but what I do think that we were on offense was very efficient. You know, the ball was moving forward consistently. I think what's also very clear is since last year's by week, nobody has thrown the ball less than the Philadelphia Eagles. So remember, A.J. Brown only had three receptions in the Super Bowl against Kansas City.

This offense has changed, and they just doubled down on it, because they just made a trade for Tank Bigsby, the power running back from Jacksonville. So it tells me that Howie Roseman, and they went and got another receiver right before the season. So it feels like Howie Roseman, who was much more proactive than reactive, and they went and got Dotson last year as the A.J. Brown drama was surfacing in the locker room. So it feels like, to me, Howie Roseman, why is he making all these moves in mid-August? And by the way, why did he give up a fifth and a six-rounder for Tank Bigsby? My first take-o in that a fifth and a sixth for a backup running back, does Howie Roseman believe?

Because I'm going to get a fifth and a six back if I move A.J. Brown or more. That was one of those rare Howie Roseman moves. I'm like, whoa, dude, dude, dude. And I know people who have negotiated with Howie. He likes to win the trade like everybody else. I thought a fifth and a six was by Howie standards more than gracious. Does he know he's going to get draft picks back? Just a thought.

Colin, can I challenge you a little bit on this? All right, fine, fine. So what do you, let me just remind you, when the Eagles acquired A.J. Brown, they got a first and it looks like a fourth round pick, 18th overall and 101st overall, and then they had to pay him. And they got to two Super Bowls with him, okay? What's a reasonable expectation if the Patriots called that you think it would take to acquire A.J. Brown? Second round pick. No.

What? Come on, man. So the reason that the Eagles offense. I have to pay him. Actually, he's under contract. There's an out after 26. So he still has basically one year left before you can get off his contract. So you don't definitely have to pay him.

I would give up a second and a fifth. Okay. So the problem with the Eagles, if you lose A.J. Brown, everybody is just going to play zone defense against you. Right now, you have to play a lot of man. Time out. Time out. I'm going to have two excellent backs.

the best O line, a quarterback that runs. They use the tight end as effectively as anybody in the sport. Dotson, Donovan Smith. That is still top three in the league in offensive components. Devonte Smith is a one. Wait, did you say Dotson? Come on, man. He's not good. Devonzee Smith is a one?

If you mean by like one, a 100-pound wide receiver, I don't know. He's a solid two. But I do think, A.J. Brown, like, you can't play man defense against me. He is unstoppable against man, because he's so. They don't throw the ball to him. In their last two games, three receptions in the Super Bowl, one target. Well, the Super Bowl game script, they were up to like three touchdowns most of the way. So I get that one.

Since the buy, they throw the ball fewer times than anybody in the league, including teams with bad quarterbacks. I'll just say this. Biggsby's acquisition tells me they want to double down on the run game. Well, they do Will Shipley, the backup who's good. had some kind of rib injury. He's going to be out for a minute. But Colin, I just, I don't even think they'd be number two in the NFC if you trade AJ Brown.

I think they fall significantly. Like, they acquired him, and he was a linchpin to getting to two Super Bowls. If I said five most important Eagles, I would say Sequin I, Hurts to Jalen Carter 3. Lane Johnson, maybe? I would say, well, I would say the two tackles. four and five. I'm not even considering, and I would argue, I mean, he's not a top five crucial player for them.

Okay, so hold on. Last year he missed a game, I think it was the Tampa Bay game, and they had no offense. They got smothered in Tampa. Like, they need A.J. Brown. Without him, they are definitely not elite in the NFC. I don't even know that they're an 11-win team without, maybe not even 10.

He is that significant to them. And look what happened when he left Tennessee. They fell off a cliff. Tennessee didn't have any Sequin Barclay. They didn't have Jaylen Hurts. They didn't have that offensive line. They didn't have Devante Smith. Hour 3, Tom Brady.

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