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Episode Date: July 14, 2023

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Find your local station for the herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Our number two here on a Friday, Jason McIntyre in for Colin, joined by Alex Curry. And shout out to your flipping bats partner, Ben Verlander, texting us about dynasties officially. I'm telling you, this has been the conversation we've had like the last three days. I believe a dynasty is three or more championships.

And you and Ben both think that it's two? Two and getting. a third. It's really, really tough to win championships. We got to ask the fans out there. We got ask America what they think. What do you consider a dynasty? Okay. Well, we got Eric Mainejini coming up in five minutes. He knows dynasties for sure for this time in New England. But I wanted to start with this. Okay, so D.K. Metcalfe has been on the show. He is a great receiver. Seattle Seahawks. Very exuberant receiver. His speed, his size combination makes him nasty. So he was recently asked for his top five receivers in NFL history.

And a couple are layups. Like, if you don't have Jerry Rice up there, you know, you got some problems. Obviously, he has Jerry Rice. Fourth. Okay. Randy Moss, love Randy Moss. He has him two. Terrell Owens three.

Terrell Owens for me is top three for sure. Julio Jones, love that call it five. But having Antonio Brown number one, I believe, completely discredits the list. Now, there's a lot of ways I can go here. Let's start with the positive. Antonio Brown, at the height of his powers, he had about a four-year window.

He was absurdly good. Unstoppable. Him and Ben Rathesberger were viving. The numbers were ridiculous for about four years. However, the off-field stuff has to matter. And I know people will say, Jason, you've got to separate the art from the artist. And you just got to focus on the on.

field stuff with Antonio Brown. On the field, he was unbelievable. Yes, on the field he was unbelievable. Fact. Also unbelievable. He's quit on multiple teams. Look at this. In Pittsburgh, quit on the team, throwing stuff on the field. Just a disaster at the end.

Mike Tomlin, who puts up a lot of crap, refused to take any more from Antonio Brown. Then Antonio Brown goes to the Raiders, claims he's got frozen feet, gets the heck out of Dodge. Then The really incredible one for Antonio Brown. So he's a washout at this point. Nobody wants to touch him.

He's radioactive. Tom Brady goes to Tampa and says, yo, I could control Antonio Brown. He's really, really good. Let's bring him in here. And Bruce Ariens pushed back a lot. If you go back to that year and read about it, it was like Bruce Aaron's like, nope, we don't need any more help.

Nope, we don't need anybody else. And Tom Brady wins out. You know why? Because he basically said he'll be the babysitter for Antonio Brown. I'm not even kidding. He will live in my house. Tom Brady had Antonio Brown live in his house. They go on to win the Super Bowl.

As soon as things go south, what happens after that? Antonio Brown, in the end zone, quitting on his team, middle of the game, takes off his jersey, signaling to the fans. That video is real. Folks, I remember, you know, every Sunday I'm watching football all day. I'll never forget. Antonio Brown gets in an Uber in like the third quarter and is leaving the stadium while his team's on the field. Just stuff you don't ever see. no circumstances. Can I have Antonio Brown on my top five? I'm sorry. I cannot. This stuff,

what happened in Pittsburgh and the Raiders, and especially at the end in Tampa, I can't have him top five. Now, his story is an interesting one. I was reading about it last night, prepping for the show, and it's like he was an unbelievable high school quarterback, didn't have the grades, went to prep school. His first college trip, he gets to FIU. Opening weekend, he gets in a fight with a security guard and kicked out of school. Like, the guy's got some problems. But when he's, you know, under lock and key and at central Michigan, he put up big numbers. And the NFL is a good player. But for me, I can't have him top five. So here's my top five wide receivers. We'll go five to one. Are you ready for this? Here we go.

Number five, I got Julio Jones. He really needs no introduction and unbelievable talent with the Falcons. The only knock is he only had one season with double digit touchdowns. But a lot of numbers historically stack up with the grades. Julio Jones, number five. Number four, Megatron. Calvin Johnson, folks, 6-5-237 and faster in the 40 than Justin Jefferson. Did retire early at the age of 30, which some people will say, oh, he doesn't have the numbers. He's in the Hall of Fame. Calvin Johnson in my top five, faux show. Number three, Terrell Owens, I don't think there's an argument.

Now, he had some issues with teammates in a couple stops, but nothing even close to the Antonio Brown realm. Terrell Owens ranks third all-time in receiving yards and receiving touchdowns. Did have some good quarterbacks to catch passes from. Terrell Owens for me has to be number three. I don't think he can crack two. Two would be for me, Randy Moss. For my money, the best game-breaking receiver I've ever seen.

There's just a speed, the size. Folks, we'll have Eric Manjini on in a second. That season where Moss was with Brady, he caught 23 touchdowns in NFL record. Essentially, Randy Moss was unstoppable. The only person to stop Randy Moss was Randy Moss. He kind of got sick in Minnesota. I was like, no Antonio Brown stuff, but ended up leaving. And then Moss was like not trying with the Raiders because that franchise is garbage and he was just checked out.

But then he rebounds with Brady. Moss, the only thing that holds him out from being number one is some of those exits. But number one, I don't think Moss could ultimately catch Jerry Rice. The greatest receiver in NFL history. Folks, this is crazy. At age 40, he had a 1,200-yard season. His numbers will never be touched. He holds the NFL record.

Are you ready for this? I'm going to read this. Final stat. Holds the NFL records in receptions, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns. Holds the NFL postseason record for receptions, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns.

Like Jerry Rice is the goat. There's no doubt about it. All right. Let's bring in Eric Mangini, the former New York Jets coach. Eric Mangini. How are you, buddy? Fox NFL analyst.

I'm doing great. I'm doing great. I see you got your, your list rolling along today. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got to hammer out a list there, Eric. Let me ask you, you've played with some great receivers off the top of your head. Is there a great receiver that you played with that ever that jumped out at you? Maybe unheralded or on the list. Well, look, on the list, all those guys are incredible. I remember playing Trello and he wasn't supposed to play. And it was, it was shocking that he was able to find a way

to play. And it had to be through incredible pain. We doubled him during the game. And we still couldn't shut him down. And that performance alone was such a standout performance. We played Jerry Rice a little bit later in his career and he was still incredibly effective and you've got to admire his work ethic and

the level of preparation that he put into his craft. And the way that he'd go to work every day and feel like today was going to be the day he got cut. As great as he was, that's the mindset that he went into. Calvin Johnson was just ridiculous to deal with. You double team them. You have different types of double teams on them, and you can still find a way to get open. And I think the problem with any list is there's the rule

changes that I think have helped a lot of receivers in recent years. They're not dealing with the same type of jams at the line of scrimmage that the receivers from previous generations have dealt with. They don't deal with the same type of hits from the safeties. There's a lot more. more protection. So you've got to take into account a little bit of that. I mean, Chris Carter is a guy who had double-digit touchdown for, what, six seasons. He helped train Randy Moss, Marvin Harrison. There's so many great, great receivers that whenever you make a list like that, you're going to leave out, you know, some guys that you could argue for strongly in any one of those spots. Certainly. Before we get to the Jets on Hard Knocks, I opened the show talking about

Kyler Murray, he gave some quotes saying that, you know, he's going to be coachable, but at some point, we all have to look in the mirror. We all have to be locked in. Eric, given what he makes and that he's the quarterback of pretty much a sinking ship, I just didn't love the accountability where he's kind of deflecting some of it. This is a guy who had a homework clause put in his contract because he famously was not like looking at the playbook during the week. He just wasn't locked in.

I don't want to say Arizona has a problem. but I just wonder, you've coached a lot of quarterbacks. I don't know. Did you like what Murray said? Did you not have an issue with it? No, I didn't like it at all. He talked about going into last season and there being a lot of negativity and a lot of problems.

The guy signed a contract for what, $230 million? So if that's your definition of negativity, God, I would love to go into a season that negative with a $230 million contract. And I think what he's talking about is exactly what came out, which was the clause that they felt compelled to put in about his level of preparation. They not only had to put the clause in, but then they had to put addendums into the clause, like you had to watch tape, but you had to be paying attention to the tape. That, to me,

is incredibly problematic. And, you know, when you deflect blame as opposed to step up and take accountability, when you're the face of the franchise, when you're being compensated the way that he's being compensated, it's problematic. It is a really difficult thing for the rest of the group to look at and say, we want to rally around him. Yeah. Now, Jonathan Gannon is their new coach. I believe they have the youngest coaching staff in the league.

Would you have any advice for Gannard on how to deal with an egomaniac of a quarterback? Well, I think they went to, didn't they just go to his Hall of Fame induction, his college Hall of Fame induction? So there are things like that where they're trying to build a relationship. And look, players change over time. The way you relate to players changes over time. And I get that. And it seems like they're doing everything they can to make sure that they have as positive relationship as can be.

That being said, you also have to have accountability. And you've got to have the ability of not just a friendship and a relationship, but the ability to coach a player hard and to demand certain things from them that they may not, they may not even know that they need to do. And it's a fine line of having a friendship and then also having a coaching relationship where you can make and have the hard discussions with guys that they need. It just seems very bleak there in Arizona. I want to quickly pivot to comments Josh Jacobs made about how he's not reporting to training camp

until he gets a new deal. that comes on the heels of Sequin Barclay having some issues with the Giants. And listen, I get it. You don't want to pay a running back. But if you remove both these guys from these teams, we're talking about like four or five, six win teams. They're that integral. What could we do for running backs at this point? Like they just seem endangered species.

Maybe it is cyclical, Eric. But it just does. I don't have a good feeling about what's the future holds for Jacobs or Barclay. Yeah, well, $13 million isn't a horrible number. It's not like you're necessarily feeling sad for someone who's being paid $13 million a year. So I don't know if we have to do anything for running backs. And unfortunately, the league is an open marketplace, and you're going to pay what the market dictates that you have to pay.

And their only leverage that these guys have is their services. So if he's really willing to take a stand and, and to sit out, then that's the leverage that he has. And that can be difficult. We've seen it with Levi-on-Bel where he sat out, and it didn't really work out very well for him. So the precedent isn't positive for guys who sit out. And it's difficult, but that's the only leverage he has right now.

All right. We can wrap up with my New York Jets, your New York Jets going on hard knocks. I wish I could repeat what you said when I asked, hey, were you ever on hard knocks in your time during the commercial break? I said, no, thank God. Why do you say it like that? It's fun to watch, and they had the right Jets head coach with Rex on it. And I think that this will be a great TV with Aaron Rogers,

with all the expectations, with it being in New York, there's a ton of great storylines there. but it is also difficult to operate as business as usual. And there's a lot of private conversations and there's a lot of coaching that you want to do with guys and things that you want to discuss with guys that you don't necessarily want broadcast to the entire country. And it can make people be more reserved.

It can make some people show out a little bit more than they would naturally or do things that they wouldn't naturally do. So it's a difficult thing, I would imagine to have cameras in your face every single day, all day, an environment where you're trying to get a ton of work done and get ready for the start of the season. Yeah, that doesn't seem optimal, especially when you think, would you say Osala is, I don't know, coaching for his job, a hot seat, whatever you want to say, but, you know, they got Rogers. If they don't make the playoffs, it's probably safe to say that him and the GM are going to get dusted, right? It's going to be hard. I had two winning seasons in New York and we got when we got Brett

Favre and we had a lapse down the home stretch when he got hurt and I was let go. You know, Robert hasn't had the winning season yet. So there are a ton of expectations. There's $100 million that have gone in this decision to go get Aaron Rogers. This is a team that was in a lot of close games. They've got a lot of young talent. And I would imagine that ownership is thinking, okay, what's the missing piece? The missing piece is a Hall of Fame quarterback. And they've got one of those. And he's only a year removed from back-to-back MVP.

So high expectations is not unreasonable. And it's a hot seat, but it's not a hot seat because you have a bad team. It's a hot seat because you've got a great opportunity to be incredibly successful this season. If you could real quick go back to your mindset, that when you guys, you've had two winning seasons, then Woody brings on Fav. I don't remember if you had signed off on it or you were keen on it or not,

but just remind me what that was like going into, like, training camp in July. Did you feel added pressure? Like, what was that, what was the vibe there? Yeah, well, we had the one winning season this Lee, and then we dropped off. And so the last season, when I was let go, we were nine and seven. But going into the Favd decision,

it wasn't something that I was behind because I felt like we were building something and there were steps that were going into each part of that building process and we're making a ton of progress. So to insert someone like Brett Farr, which is a giant personality, very different offensive scheme than we had been running, a lot of things were being disrupted. So I wasn't initially for it. I eventually got behind it and went all in. But it's a, it's a different scenario. We got them late. We got them during training camp. We got them during actually the preseason games. We were in Cleveland playing a preseason game. They got them in the offseason.

They have an offensive coordinator that he worked with, or he has worked with. We had a totally different offense and had to adjust to him. So they're actually better positioned, I believe, than we were when we got Brett because the amount of time they've had with them and the familiarity that the group of coaches has with them. All right. Fox Sports NFL analyst, Eric Mangini. I'd love to read a profile of what that was like, Eric. I mean, you've talked about it to me behind the scenes. I think the audience would love to know. Thanks for taking the time, Eric. Enjoy the weekend. All right, you too. All right. Eric Mangini, great individual. He's got some great stories. Coming up next, we're going to talk about some comments made by Paul Pierce. Remember that guy?

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addendum for Jason Tatum, who's just electrifying. I love him. But Paul Pierce went and opened his mouth this week. Paul Pierce, former Celtic, overrated Celtic. Come on, that's true, guys, you know this. And he made some, I mean, just an absurd comment about what happens to the Miami Heat if they trade for Dame Lillard. And some people probably say, well, wait a second. Jay, hey, look at what's going on if they trade for Dame Lillard. Paul Pierce said Miami won't make it out of the first round if they trade for Damian Lillard. And his logic behind it is,

well, they're going to have to get rid of Duncan Robinson and Kyle Lowry. And I think they get to keep Caleb Martin. But they'll basically have to lose these role players. And, you know, if Paul Pierce were sitting here, I would put him in a body bag instantly by saying, oh, you mean Tyler Hero? The guy who didn't play in the postseason and they got better?

That Tyler Hero, he's gone. That's a big loss? Well, Jason, they lost Struis and. Vincent. Yeah, they did. Who were those guys again before Miami? What were they doing exactly? Struce and Vincent? They just got paid handsomely in free agency. Max Struz got way too much money from the Cavs. He's okay, but he's not the 3-and-D wing they were looking for. It's like a big two-guard. What's he going to do with the cabs? We'll see. Vincent, I like a little more. He's going to the Lakers. Did they overpay him? We'll see. I think he's probably a suitable replacement for Dennis

shrewder. But this idea that the Miami Heat are going to lose all these guys and Dame is just one guy, Paul Pierce, here's what you've failed to miss. At least from my point of view, heat culture is the best culture in the NBA. They have made just an unbelievable decision year after year after year. They move on from players and they bring in new guys who fit their system. And this is where it gets weird. I started to jot down a couple names. So remember, LeBron's with the Heatols, then he leaves, and every team LeBron leaves just totally falls off a cliff into a chasm, and they're never heard from for years and years. He bounced back from when LeBron left quite quick, and you know how they did it?

Around the edges. They got this guy, Josh Richardson. They bring in Josh Richardson, and he looks, oh, my gosh, wow, what a fine by Miami. So what happens? They then go flip Josh Richardson. He moves on, and he doesn't do jack squat anywhere else. He, Kelly Olenick. yeah, we'll take him.

Kelly Noco's okay player. Pops in Miami. He's pretty damn good. Kelly only moves on. They don't lose a beat. Basically, Miami is able through their robust scouting department to find, like, undrafted,

undervalued players, and they pop. Another guy wrote down, Kendrick Nunn, okay? He was pretty darn good in Miami. Lakers see that. Oh, oh, let's get on some Kendrick Nunn. You don't want to ask how that went, very poorly.

So now they move on from Vincent and Struz. And you're like, oh, man, they're going to be hurting. Well, are they? Are we sure? Are we positive? What Pat Riley and Eric Spolstra and that front office and staff have done is consistently delivered with players that nobody else wanted or nobody else noticed and our staff had a great number.

Essentially, they were able to turn all these undrafted players into a record-setting postseason where in one game, they had the most point. from undrafted players ever in a game in NBA playoff history. That's what Miami does. And, you know, we got a great parallel here in the NFL. The New England Patriots, Bill Belichick, for the longest time, I know he struggled with the draft, but he was able to find these undrafted players or seventh round player and Julian Edelman, and we're going to create a slot position, and these guys are going

to wreck defenses. Julian Edelman, Danny Amandola, who's the other guy? West Welker, he's able to find these guys, plug them in, and they become stars. I'll never forget, it was like a Steelers Patriots game, and this guy, Chris Hogan, is just tearing up the Steelers secondary. I'm like, who the hell is Chris Hogan? I don't know who this guy is. He's a former lacrosse player that Bill Belichick found plugged him in, and Chris Hogan lights up the Steelers. It is incredible how smart front offices are able to work around the edges.

This idea that Miami's going to lose anything by bringing in Dame, I think Paul Pierce is way, way off here. You talk about Dame, Jimmy Butler, and Bam, out of bio. And I know it's been tough historically. Three Max players, you don't have a lot or else around the edges. I'm going to go ahead and trust heat culture that Damian Lillard in Miami, assuming it happens, and all signs point to it happening, is going to work really, really well.

I would actually put them ahead of Boston as the number one team in the Eastern Conference. I would go, Dame Butler. BAM as number one, Boston two, and reluctantly in aging Milwaukee team three. And yes, I'm already starting Milwaukee's trending downward. Let's get Janus out of town. I'll start my Janus to the Lakers here in about the next four months here on the herd. Let's go to Alex Curry with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Well, Jamek, let's start in the NFL, specifically in Denver, because last season, the Broncos were one of the first. the NFL's most disappointing teams after entering with Super Bowl aspirations, but finishing

5 and 12. Now this season, things are looking up after Denver brought in Sean Payton in hopes of turning things around and getting the most out of Russell Wilson. Well, Broncos legend, John Elway has chimed in on Peyton's fit with the team saying, I'm excited. He's a perfect fit for where we are right now, where the Broncos are right now. Obviously, he has a lot of skins on the wall. He won a Super Bowl before and won a ton of football games. I don't think. there could be a better fit. I think he will be great. Sean has a great feel for the quarterback position. He's so knowledgeable on the offensive side. I think he knows what Russell will do best. Obviously, Sean is one of the best coaches in the game, but if you read between the lines,

he's going to be the best for the Broncos, or is he going to be the best fit for Russell Wilson? Can he be the one to turn? I don't know if I would have called last season a dumpster fire, but it was pretty darn close to it when you go in with such high expectations of possible Super Bowl expectations and then you have a 5 and 12 record players are fighting on the field nothing's going right coach gets fired

almost everything that could have gone wrong did but can he do it? Do you believe that Sean Payton will be able to turn this around? I do want to ask about Alex he said skins on the Wall? Skins on the... I know.

I had to pause. I'm like... I had to read that line a couple times, too. I'm like, okay, he's one and has a ton... Yeah, he has a lot of skins on the wall, maybe like wins. Hunting reference? I'm assuming that's... I haven't been hunting, shocking.

I'm not a hunter. Never, yeah, no, I've never even held a gun. Not to get too granular with the quarterback breakdown, but like, one of the things I read was Russell Wilson has not been able to solve the too high safety. Right? His big game winner in the... Seattle was I'm just going to chuck it deep, beautiful deep ball, and lock it and Metcalf are running under it for touchdown. So that worked for many years, and then the too high safety

took that away, and he had to win underneath. And I'm not saying he couldn't, but he just didn't. So if they're taking that away still, is he going to work the underneath game the way breeze would do it in New Orleans with Peyton? Can Russell Wilson win that way? I'm going to assume he's talented enough to do it, but we'll see. There's still a big question. Also, is he willing to adjust? That's the biggest thing, too, when you move environments, when the game changes when you when you have a different coach you have to be willing to grow and adjust together and there has to be that trust everyone has to buy in every championship team that I've covered across all the sports every single player and the coach has to buy in and be on the same page so if they can

do that if he can't adjust then I think there is a possibility probably a wait and see right I'm not I'm confident it'll happen but I'm not like backing up I'm not going to Vegas in a couple weeks and betting heavily on the Broncos to do any money. No, I made that mistake last season. Before the start of last season, I had high expectations for Russell Wilson and the Broncos. And I think a good chunk of the media world did. Yeah. That was brutal.

Tough loss to Seattle. Yeah. All right. Well, let's stick in the NFL. Daniel Jones earned a four-year $160 million deal with the Giants' offseason. And we'll hope to build on his success under two-year head coach, Brian Daibel. Now, Giants Guard, Mark Lewins. He believes that with the contract out of the way, Jones can be even better this season.

And here's what he had to say. He did a great job, especially coming off of the past couple of years where he's had a different coach. I felt like every game that we were winning, he was opening up a little bit more, and you would see a little bit more fire in him and more and that swagger was coming out. And there was a lot of fun that was being played last season. So I think it's going to be even a better season now that he has, you know, He has that little bit of sense of relief and the sense that he has, doesn't have to prove to anybody and now he can just go out there and have fun and kick-ass.

And I think that's what was showing last year. I mean, you hope. You hope that now you have the comfort of the contract that you'll be able to perform and the comfort of having an extra year under your head coach. But we've also seen it go the other way. Once you get the contract, they're not performing as well. There's not that fire of you have to prove yourself. You have to be and prove it.

everybody wrong. Sometimes that fire can lead to the next step, but also you might not have Seguan-Parkley. They're still dealing with that drama right now. They haven't figured out his contract, and that is your biggest weapon. I mean, I think they should just pay the guy, but I'm with you.

It's not my job, but why wouldn't you pay your biggest offensive weapon, especially since you just locked in your quarterback, gave him a big deal? You're starting to trend in the right direction, and you're not going to continue on that path if you do not have my favorite part of the NFL off season is everybody's like oh he's in the best shape of his life

he's ready to tackle he's got to be four times as good as he was everybody's just so upbeat and then like week three hits and you're like oh is this guy going to get benched not that jones is going to get benched yeah probably not that early uh i just i don't see it but i don't believe i might have to recuse myself from talking about the giants uh Alex because i'm such a jet's honk yeah that i don't like the giants at all and i just don't see it you're you're like you have Jets blinders on. Well, yeah, but last year I did predict the Giants would do well. I convinced Cowher to do Giants would do well. And this year I think they're going to be very bad. So I'm, I've started the piling on already. Why? I just, I think it was a one year

lucky Daniel Jones, like you said, playing for the contract, dable. They just surprised everybody. The schedule was light. They really thrived. I don't see it. The schedule is tougher. The Sequan Barkley drama. Interesting. I mean, Daniel Jones got his money. He did. What do you think he's more likely doing? On a beach in Greece in June? Or is he grinding, watching tape the way he was last year to get ready for his big contract here? I mean, you hope so. That's what you hope when you were getting paid millions of dollars to play a sport.

You should be in the best shape of your life. You should be preparing every which way you can to be the best that you can be. But we've seen this. Again, across all sports. Once a guy gets a big deal, I did it. Yeah, we'll see. This is great. I don't think that's going to be the case with Jones, but Jet Blank.

That's what you got. All right, on to the NBA where James Hardin is still a member of the 76ers, but is sticking to the trade demand that he made at the start of free agency. Reports indicate that Hardin is upset with how his free agency has been handled, and it's determined to start next season in a Clippers jersey, but Sixers' GM, Daryl Morey, is aiming to keep him in Philly regardless of how he feels about the situation. Hardin is starting to become that player. Which one is that?

I'm not happy here. Send me away. Things get tough. There's not that commitment of, okay, let's stick it out, let's figure it out, let's work on this together. It's like, nope, it's hard. I'm out. This would be what is 15.

Thunder Rockets, Nets, Sixers, if he moves again. Yeah. I mean, I know he demanded out of Houston. That was like 20, what, like 19 or 20? Out of Brooklyn. Out of Philly. Yeah, not a great look. It's not a great.

Also, what is he expecting? Like, what would he get in the Clippers situation, right? Because he probably wants to play with Kauai and Paul George. I think he wants to live out here in L.A. Okay, so it's more of the situation. Probably. Also, I mean, Lakers fan, but like, Lippers haven't figured it out. They have not figured out how to win in the postseason.

Let me ask you, so in baseball, does anybody really demand trades? No. It doesn't happen. It's not a thing, right? No. It's not really a huge thing in the NFL. This is. exclusive to basketball. This is a big NBA thing. Way more of an NBA thing.

It's just, I mean, it's starting to get unseemly when every year, like I'm guaranteeing you, Kyrie Irving signed his deal. Yeah. I would say over, under, he demands a trade in 16 months. Yeah. It's a, I mean, it's a completely different, like, players run the league in the NBA. Yeah. Owners and GMs run the league in Major League Baseball.

I mean, I'm kind of pro-player, so I don't hate player movement. But at some point, you've got to. draw a line like James, bro, stick out your contract. Chill. Give it a couple years. They did screw them over a little. But he said, I'll take less money last year so we can build a contender. And, oh, shocker, that didn't work. All right, Alex, with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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But I get it. I get it. I don't want to, I don't need the drama. Eric Manjini said it. Who needs this drama? The camera's everywhere. However, there were reports prior to the announcement that Aaron Rogers was very unhappy. He didn't want to be on it.

Not so fast, my friend. Here's Aaron Rogers talking. at the America Century Championship up in Tahoe about Hard Knocks. One of the only things I like about Hard Knocks is the voice of God who narrates it. Right. Leave, I hope I get to meet him. But look, you know, I understand the appeal with us. Obviously, there's a lot of eyes on me, a lot of eyes on our team, a lot of expectations

for our squad. So they forced it down our throats and we got to deal with it. So I came in this morning to the morning meeting, all prepared for Aaron Rogers. Jesus is so bad. Like four good reasons. why this is bad. And then I see this video. I'm like, wait a minute. Hold the phone. What if, and Rogers looks very clear, clear eye there. He just looked like a guy who's like, no big deal. Ain't no thing. You know, he just looked. Now, we know Aaron likes of pharmaceuticals.

Maybe something was going on. But it's possible that Aaron Rogers is like, you know what? Guys, my legacy is cemented. I got a Super Bowl. I got MVP's. I just wanted to get out of Green Bay. I'm going to come to the Jets. We're going to have some fun. If it doesn't work, bummer. If it works, awesome. And I wonder if something about Aaron is like getting out of Green Bay and moving on

is just kind of almost therapeutic for him. And he looks and sounds like a different person. I'll say this. So you guys know I like to play tennis. So instead of signing up for the singles tennis tournament, I signed up for doubles with a buddy. I had literally never played doubles tennis in my life, not once. And I played this week.

And me and my partner, we got slaughtered by a couple friends, a couple ladies actually who play doubles a lot. They're good. And like midway through the first set, we're getting crushed. And I'm like, this is exciting. I've never done this before. I feel like I'm like playing a new instrument or something. Just all, everything about it was new and fun, even though we were losing.

So I wonder if part of Rogers is like, you know what? Just not being in Green Bay is exciting and new and fresh. And I'm going to have fun with it. it. And Kevin Clark, who comes on this show, came on my podcast this week and said, Jason, just remember the last time the Jets were on hard knocks, they went to the AFC championship game. That was, of course, Rex Ryan cursing up a storm and like it was drama-filled and exciting. There is a world where this is not that worrisome for me as a Jets fan. I know, Jason, you're just so optimistic. You're wearing green underwear for the Jets. all they what's his name uh the buffalo bills lineman dion dawkins came on asking if i have a jet's tattoo like i like the team but my life is not going to hinge on whether or not you know they win or lose games it'll be disappointing yeah but guess what life goes on um and let's be real about this yes um there will be some moments in hard knocks where erin rogers maybe side eyes a coach or a receiver drops a pass

and you see Rogers kind of roll his eyes, that stuff's going to happen. But it's going to be broken down in granular fashion. 50 websites, 50 social media accounts. It's going to be it. We're going to talk about it on this show. Hard knocks is Tuesday night. I haven't watched it in a couple years because it's just not that relevant.

I'm almost certain we will have a hard knocks discussion every Wednesday because it's Aaron Rogers. It's the Jets. It's the New York media. The spotlight is big and going to be glaring. I'm starting to come around on not being that big of a deal. But I guess in the macro sense, one pretty cool thing is the big winner in this is us, the fans. As Colin articulated, Netflix has a new series about quarterbacks.

And Amazon Prime had a series about the Arizona Cardinals. So the streaming companies are now getting into the NFL. And Hard Knocks basically has to step up their game. You know, they couldn't just trot out a crappy team that's got like a five and a half win total that nobody cares about. They now, like, I don't want to say they've mailed in hard knocks for the last couple years, but the reality is it hasn't been that compelling. I don't know, Alex.

Do you even remember who was on hard knocks last year? I don't know the answer to that. Ryan, maybe you know. Was it the Detroit Lions? Okay, it was the Detroit Lions. Like, did you watch last year? Uh, I think I watched like the first two episodes. I mean, but this is going to be must watch TV.

I mean, this is gold. Everyone has their thoughts and opinions on Aaron Rogers, right? We only get the outside perspective. This is the first time we're really going to get a behind the scenes look as who he is as a person, who Rogers is as a teammate, who he is as a leader, how he prepares. I think this could actually be great for his brand because no one really knows the real Aaron Rogers, pull back the curtain and really see, because we've heard his teammates talk about how great of a teammate he is, how great of a leader he is.

And now the world will kind of get that behind the scenes perspective, opposed to just all these outside opinions of seeing that, yeah, he lives a different life. He lives an out there life, which I'm a no-judgment human in that sense. I'm like, go live your life, whatever works best for you. That's incredible. So I think this could be great for Rogers brand. And then it's great for us because this is the biggest headline. It's the biggest headline of the NFL season, new team, MVP, Aaron Rogers,

and now we're going to get to talk about it every week. It's interesting. You say we don't know a lot about him. So I'll never forget. Fox, you know, they've got things that they can set us up with. And I had to fly to New York to host a panel. Some wireless cell phone or one of those deals. And now it was set up with a former Packers' Tight End.

I won't say his name, but it's not that hard to look him up. And in between, in like the green room, I'm asking him questions, trying to learn about the – and I was like, oh, yeah, how was Rogers? And he's like, that guy was the biggest jerk ever. You know, I came in as a rookie. And he would not look at me. Like we would walk past each other in the hallways, wouldn't even make eye contact, wouldn't say a word.

I was like, geez, what's that about? He's like, dude, it got so weird. I had to go to the coaches and be like, does Aaron Rogers not like me? I'm a rookie, new guy on this team. He won't look at me. He won't talk to me. They had to broker peace. So Rogers sat down with this tight end in a room in Green Bay and like got on the same page.

Now, are people going to watch hard knocks and be like, oh, Aaron Roger, he's not really talking to people. is he going to ham it up and be super friendly and the jokester and like I don't I literally don't know I'm kind of interested to see what it's about because this is maybe his swan song this is this is his career this is his life I think we're going to get a good glimpse of who he actually is because he has to prepare with a new team a new coach a new offense a new div like everything everything is new for the first time in his career. So this is, I, again, I said it before, I think this is a gift.

I think this is gold. This is TV gold, sports gold. I'm optimistic to getting to know who Aaron Rogers is. I don't know if you've seen the quarterback Netflix thing. I saw the first, like half of the first episode I watched last night, and it's so good. It's pretty good. It's insane. I mean, also, like, they lucked out getting Patrick Mahomes during his Super Bowl season.

Like, that was insane. The Patrick Mahomes thing that I'm sure you guys have seen on social media is where Crosby of the Raiders is doing a little bit of trash talking. Not much. Mahomes, they were up 17. Raiders were up 17. Mahomes just torches him and start saying, you know, a lot of F bombs. And it's pretty like, wow.

Mahomes. Mahomes cursing at him going up in his face. I'm like, I like Pat Mahomes even more now. Right? So I don't know that Rogers is going to be that fired up about his own teammates. But maybe he's going to be demanding. Maybe he's going to be like, guys, cut this out.

We don't know. And that's why, even if you hate the Jets or you're sick of me talking about the Jets, listen, Alex, there's a world where they're two and six out of the gate and it's over. It's done. They're not coming back from two and six. And we'll just move on to another team like, I don't know, the Browns or the Cowards Chargers. You know, that's what happens. But coming up next, just when you think Kyler Murray's taking a step forward, two steps back.

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