The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Herd Hierarchy, more on the Colts getting Sauce Gardner, Nick Wright

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

More on the Jets trading Sauce Gardner to the Colts Colin gives his new Herd Hierarchy Nick Wright from First Things First talks to Colin about his new Hierarchy, the issues with the Cowboys, the huge trade between the Jets and the Colts, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right. Here we go. The Jets are giving sauce Gardner to the Colts for two first round picks. So my takeaway is Sauce Gardner was a much better player under Robert Sala because Robert Sala is a great defensive coordinator.

Soss Gardner is not very good with Aaron Glenn because he doesn't know what he's doing. And the Colts went to Cincinnati and they stole their defensive coordinator, Lou Anorumo, who was great in Cincinnati, but the Bengals are dope so they let him go. And the Colts go get him. And they just don't have any good corners.

And there's a corner shortage in the NFL. So of all the trades getting made, you see the Eagles went out and they went and got a corner and of the moves being made. So who do I like it for? My take on first round picks, if you don't need a left tackle or a quarterback, you can live without a first round pick. In the history of the NFL, your best quarterbacks and left tackles, those guys come first round.

You can get pass rushers, fourth, fifth round, receivers, running backs, interior alignment, linebackers, tight ends. him anywhere. George Kettle 5th round. But quarterbacks and left tackles, history tells you first round. So the culture like, we love our old line. We like Daniel Jones. We love our coach. We got to go find a corner. It's a pretty decent corner draft, but none arguably as good as Saus Gardner. Sauce Gardner reminds me a little at Jalen Ramsey. Long, aggressive, can be a little moody. If the team's struggling, he's kind of not into it as much. But I think a lot of it is he was great with Robert Sala because Robert Sala is excellent.

He's a strong motivator. I think he's going back to an excellent defensive coach. Two first is a little rich for my taste. But I've said this before. The trading deadline is for teams like the Colts. They're going to win their division and they think they can beat anybody. They just had a stinker in Pittsburgh and they're not overreacting. They're like, listen, we've got to solve a dilemma.

We all know this to be true. There's never been this many good wide receivers. Just Ohio State alone is sending two a year into the NFL. So there's a corner shortage. So Chris Ballard's looking at it going, we have one hole on this team. You all thought it was quarterback. It's cornerback.

So they solve it. And the Jets going to have two first round picks next year and the next year. They've got to get a quarterback. So the Jets are going to draft a quarterback. Period. End the story. I don't think with Aaron Glenn, I don't care if they drafted Dan Marino. I don't think that's going to work, but they're going to draft the quarterback.

Colts have the 26 best pass defense. They're good at everything else. Yeah, sauce isn't having a good year, but whatever. It doesn't have a good staff. So, let's do our herd hierarchy before Nick Wright. Here we go on a Tuesday. Heard hierarchy. Time is now, let's go.

The top 10 NFL teams, according to college, number 10. My coach of the year is Kyle Shanahan. He's winning with peanut brittle and bailing wire and duct tape. They have no healthy players. 49ers are 5 and 2 with a backup quarterback third down offense, despite a bad offensive line, is top three in the league? Basically, the offense is Christian McCaffrey and cross your fingers. This is one of the great coaching jobs you'll ever see.

They play the Rams this weekend who are fully staffed and ready to go, and yet it's only a field goal spread. Niners at 10. Number 9. Detroit. Don't always love their coach, lost two of their last three games, but they're 5 and 0 when they rushed for over 100 yards. So it's pretty clear the key to this team.

When Jared Goff's got an extra beat, when they've got the run game, Detroit's a solid franchise. Are they a Super Bowl winning team? Not as long as McVeigh and Stafford are in the NFC and Howie Roseman's running the Eagles, in my opinion, Detroit 9. Number eight. Listen, the Patriots, they're on a six-game heater, Drake May, my concern, has been sacked 12 times over the last two games.

That is a problem. Up front, he's not getting great protection. But when Christian Gonzalez plays, their corner, super athletic kid out of Oregon, they are 6 and 0. So there is certainly a way they need to play to win, but they're doing it. I have them at 8. Number 7. The Bucks. They're going to get Bucky Irving back.

They're going to get Chris Godwin back. Now, they've got a tough schedule coming up. They got the Patriots at Buffalo and at the Rams, but they are a team that's living a little bit on that borrowed time stuff. They have four game winning drives. I don't love the way they're winning, but I like their swagger. And they've been able to win all beat up, and now they're getting healthier. Tampa at seven. Number six.

I put Kansas City at six. They're 0 and 4 in one score games. They've got to get Josh Simmons is now back after a four game hiatus. That will matter a lot. to beat Kansas City's clear, Super Bowl or not. Pressure Mahomes. When Mahomes gets hit over seven times this year, they're not a good football team. He got to hit 15 against Buffalo. So they rank second and big plays. They still have an elite top four red zone offense, the best quarterback and coach in the sport. They need to solve left tackle. I think with Simmons now they will. Don't sell

your stock. I have them at six. Number five. I have Denver ahead of them because Denver's got a better offensive line and I love their coach too. Denver's weird. They apparently are the greatest fourth quarter team in league history, but I will say there's a stat about Denver that's really impressive. They have the best offensive line in terms of protecting their quarterback from Sacks, and yet they lead the NFL in Sacks. That wears well in cold weather. I've got Denver at five. Number four. Seattle just added a deep threat from the Saints. That went over Washington. like Ohio State and Youngstown State. That was a physical athletic mismatch. Four and all on the road won their last 10 road games. Sam Darnold, advanced metrics? He's the best quarterback in the league

this year. I'm not joking. PFF has them number one too. Their defense is young and getting better. Three state straight games holding people under 20. They are young, but they have an identity. Green Bay is young and doesn't have an identity. I like Seattle and Darnold at four. Number three. You know, whoever I put number three loses the next week, I'll put Buffalo there. Highest rush percentage in the league. I got to give the organization credit. They were too Josh Allen reliant.

They run the football a lot. I think they probably need some help. Interior D-line, they have an excellent, excellent past defense, but you can gash them on the run. But they took a lead on Kansas City, forced the chiefs to throw. and Joey Bosa, that's why they acquired him. They've also gotten, I said this about six weeks ago, I like all three of their tight ends. It's a tight end run offense, not a receiver offense.

Number two. Are the Rams the best coach team in the league? What don't they do well? Highest overall grade, highest offensive grade by any team according to PFF, only team to rank top three in virtually everything, the least penalized team for the second year in a row, the number one run blocking team. When you watch them play, it is so methodical to watch them play.

They do everything well. They don't turn it over. And now I love Matt Stafford can get a bit reckless. Now that he's not throwing picks, I think they are the best team right now in the NFC with one exception. Number one. Howie Roseman made a couple of deals at the trade deadline. I'm going to put Philadelphia one. they're very good in one score games.

And when Seekwon Barclay gets 15 touches, they're undefeated. I think the A.J. Brown situation kind of gets in the way. The only way to puncture a great team is drama in the locker room or a severe injury. So I think their last game, when A.J. didn't play, that was their true identity. A power run team, Sequan 15 touches. I think the two best teams in the league right now are NFC teams. one doing it on roster, one doing it on coach and quarterback, and a good defense, Philly one, Rams 2, and with that, Nick Wright is joining us live, host of first things first.

All right, Joe Alt's out, I can't put the chargers in. I put San Francisco in for coaching. I don't think they're... That's fine. Yeah, anything bother you? No, no, first of all, I give you credit for the courage it takes to keep the package. and the Colts out because they shouldn't be in, which leads me to the news of the day. And by the way, I think the Seahawks adding Rashid Shahid is massively impactful. Your guy Darnold's been awesome.

The Seahawks have been maybe the most underrated team in the league. I obviously disagree with you on the Broncos, but we'll get to see the Chiefs play the Broncos twice. So we'll see. The Colts trading, Colin, two first round picks. and, by the way, A.D. Mitchell, who hasn't been good for them, but he was their second round pick a year ago, for Sauce Gardner feels wildly risky. And it says to me, they are just fully confident that this Daniel Jones is the Daniel Jones they're getting from here on out. Teams that trade multiple first round picks for non-quarterbacks almost always have their quarterback in place. or else it's a disaster.

When the Bears traded two first-round picks for Khalil Mack when they had Mitch Trubisky, that did not age well. Hell, the Seahawks traded two first-round picks with the Jets for Jamal Adams. They had their quarterback in Russell Wilson. That didn't age well. The fact that the Colts are giving up the same draft capital for sauce that the Packers gave up for Micah is crazy to me. wildly aggressive and ambitious, but I just, I feel like it's on the board that next year the Colts, you know, that's Daniel Jones, the magic carpet right ends, and the Colts have the

ninth pick of the draft next year, and that's what they're sending to the Jets. I am, I'm stunned that this was what they gave up for Sals Gardner. You know, I really believe this to be true. I think within the league, people think the Jets are the biggest circus. Aaron Rogers looks shot. Now he looks nimble and youthful. Sam Darnold looks like on any given Sunday the best quarterback in the league. Robert Sala has flourished in San Francisco. Sure.

I think the Soss Gardner move is. Sauce was great with Sala. Nothing works with the Jets in Aaron Glenn specifically. We're getting a top three corner. He is regressed because nothing works in New York. I think it's an indictment of the Jets operation. Listen, but I guess my point, be this, even if I was guaranteed I'm getting a top three corner, I would be super hesitant

to trade multiple first round picks to your point earlier if I'm not certain I have my quarterback. Like this to me is the Colts saying, we believe in Daniel Jones full stop. We believe we are set at quarterback and therefore we can be super aggressive. I just don't share that belief. And I, listen, I, the Jets have earned the reputation as a circus organization. But I think this is an awesome trade for a team that's not going anywhere to add multiple first round picks and take a flyer. They, you know, A.D. Mitchell was the 53rd pick of the draft one year ago to be able to add those guys and get in. So I think it's a potentially excellent trade for the jets and a very risky trade for the Colts, but I'm interested to see how it works.

So I said this about yesterday my opening rant was, I know you feel great in Buffalo, but you dominate time of possession, you're perfect in the red zone, you hit Mahomes 15 times, you literally outgain them, out hit him, out physical, out-schemed, and Mahomes had the ball trailing 28-21. I, you have to make a move at the trade deadline. You simply don't have enough downfield targets. It's very much a James Cook tight end offense. So my take was I wouldn't, I feel Kansas City will solve left tackle. I don't think you can solve the inability to throw it deep in Buffalo without a move at the trade deadline.

So I didn't think it was the world's worst loss for Kansas City. Your thoughts? Well, listen, I want to give Buffalo immense credit. Josh was excellent. I thought the bill's defense would not be able to slow down Kansas City at all. They obviously did. It was honestly a miracle that the Chiefs had the ball twice in the fourth quarter down just a touchdown. And Sean McDermott going for a field goal with 28 seconds left and the Chiefs having no timeouts.

Instead of just punting it away was one of the most, it didn't cost them. but one of the most insane coaching moves of the year. And listen, hat tip to Josh Allen, because in addition to being one of the most physically gifted quarterbacks of all time, he is a guy who you can count on unlike anyone else in the league to outplay Patrick Mahomes when it matters the least. Every single time when it matters the least, Josh is going to be the better quarterback on the field.

With that said, I have seen this story four years in a row, and then it has been a very different story come the postseason. I do think that the most impressive part of what the bills did on Sunday was the ability to get to Patrick, but to your point, by the second half of that game, three of the Chiefs' five starting offensive linemen weren't there. And so the Chief's offense, as long as the offensive line is intact, will be not just fine, but I think will be the best offense in football. They still need more of a pass rush. And so I wonder if here in the next couple hours, are they potentially going to trade for a running back?

Now that we see the jets are open for business, is Breece Hall available, or are they going to try to trade for a Tavondre sweat or a different defensive lineman? I do think they need a bit more of a pass rush, but the bills have beaten the Chiefs five straight years in the regular season, and in those five years, the Chiefs have beaten the bills in the playoffs the four times they've faced. So I agree. I don't know why this one would be different. So, you know, you're a guy, you're a big spender.

You buy some stuff and you take some risks in your life that I don't. I go to bed at 845. You're at a casino playing poker at midnight and doing the show. You're a risk taker. But one of the things I've always appreciated about you, you never try to talk yourself into, yeah, it's healthy or it's good for me. You're like, you're a gunslinger as a personality. And I like that.

Okay. So I'm getting to my point. The point is, you know when you're lighting those things out. What do you call those things you occasionally? Black and milds? Yeah, that's what I call. It's what they're called. Yeah, go ahead.

They're not extending your life. You know that, but it's adding to your life. So I watch Caleb Williams. The Bears are number one in the other. NFL and big plays. You didn't get him because he was the most accurate guy. You got him because your offense has been boring for 28 straight years. And so my take is I feel strongly saying with Ben Johnson, he's a hit. He's not going to be 68% completion. Stop talking yourself into it. It's like he is, he is delivered what they didn't have. Big plays, excitement, wild drama,

and he can miss layups for three hours. Listen, I think that's totally fair. I also think that drive at the end of the game was the most important moment of his career because that's the type of loss, Colin, that submarines a season. You can't blow a 14-point lead late like that and recover, and that's what they had done.

So that drive was bigger than your typical game-winning drive. I agree on the fine precision stuff, he is going to be a work in progress. But also, you know, it was a 10-8 round, Jaden Daniels over Caleb Williams after their rookie years. If you pulled 32 GMs today, Drake May goes from 3 to 1 in that redraft, but given the fact that Jaden,

who was incredibly slight of frame coming into the league, and that was the concern, has now had four separate injuries to four different parts, parts of his body. And the last one is you feel sick for the kid, but a gruesome arm injury. If you ask 32 GMs today, all right, if Drake goes number one in that draft, who's the next quarterback off the board? I think more people are saying Caleb than are saying Jaden this morning. Also, if I may defend myself for a moment, maybe there's a method to my madness of staying out and drinking and gambling and doing whatever I do.

Because I'm fit as a fiddle. You meanwhile got the sniffles out here. Maybe I have built up in immunity that you're 8.30 bedtime, you know, a stiff breeze put you in the doctor's office. I'm just saying. I'm in the ICU because I shook the wrong hand. You're out there. Exactly right.

Exactly. You know, it's funny. You and I wouldn't be called classic baseball fans. but I found my... This playoff were great. Oh, I'm just... Oh, my goodness. Here's what's amazing.

Nick, when the Raptors played the Warriors in the finals, it did not match, despite the fact that Steph Curry and it was a wildly entertaining final. The ratings went down because you only had one American city represented in our ratings metric system. The fact that this thing got 26, 27 million, and only one city represented in our ratings metric system. rating system and Nick, think about this, whereas international players don't move the needle necessarily in the NBA, they're wonderful people and wonderful players, but they're kind of, they're not big personalities. The two best Dodgers are Japanese stars. And I said this the other day, if baseball's America's pastime, the Dodgers are the Globes team, the road attendants,

the home attendants, I, I'm sitting myself, this number is being underreported. How How did the whole series and the fanfare and the finishes last for you, land for you? I mean, it was, I mean, the fact that Game 7 of the NBA Finals did 16, 17 million, and this did 26, 27 million, to your point, without two American cities as the home cities, is remarkable. But it makes sense because the theater of this baseball postseason, and then of this World Series in particular, it took your breath away.

And I found myself sick to my stomach to this day for Blue Jays fans when I hadn't thought about Blue Jays fans in 30 years since Joe Carter hit his home run. But I can't, to be that close, that many separate occasions over that many days to winning a championship and then just have your guts ripped out, it's sickening. And I also think it's good for baseball that you can't watch these playoffs and that World Series in particular

and say, oh, it's an unfair fight. No one stands a chance. The Blue Jays were the better team over the bulk of the series. The Blue Jays were multiple moments, fractions of an inch away from being champion. So you can't walk away from it saying, oh, what's the drama of next year? The Dodgers had an up and down regular season, were red hot with their arms, not with their bats for the first part of the playoffs,

and then played in an epic world series that they could have lost three or four different times. I thought it was the best championship series that I have seen in sports since the 2016 finals, the 3-1 comeback for LeBron against Steph and the Warriors. I just thought the 18-inning game, all of it was so great. And I think Yamamoto goes down as a legendary player based on what he did pitching on back-to-back days. And I think Vladdy goes down as one of the most likable guys on the losing end, and you just feel so sick for Kirk and Schneider and everybody. Yeah, Nick Wright, first things first. It's great seeing you as always, my friend. You know when I talked about your habits, which I worry about you as your mentor.

You don't have to worry about me, buddy. Your spiritual advisor, I do worry a little about you, but you know, you always look great. You know, I keep, I thank you. I appreciate that. I try to keep it in bounds as much as I can, been on TV for eight years, only shown up with a broken arm one time, so I'm doing all right. Somebody get my man a Z-pack. Don't we still have a doctor on the lock? Can somebody give you an IV or some fluid something? My God, he's a Hall of Famer. He's the face of the network. Let's get the guy feeling better. See you, Colin.

All right, Nick, right. Yeah, it was just, it is amazing. This World Series hammered the Yankee Dodger World Series. To get that many people, and there is something magical about that the Dodgers, I remember last, this year the Dodgers hosted the Yankees. Last year they went to New York to play him, and I remember watching that series, Tay Oscar Hernandez had a great series in New York and the Bronx,

but I remember that series because there were Dodger hats all over Yankee Stadium. And I was like, what is happening here in baseball? It's just unbelievable. To get that rate, everybody's out, it's ruining baseball. 27 million people watched a World Series that had one team from the United States in it. Folks, it's not ruining baseball. NBA's got an issue. It's getting highly international, and those players, for whatever reasons, do not connect

with a consumer. The Dodgers players do. They certainly, and this, you know what it also shows? I've been saying this for years. Everybody tries to, nobody likes power. Everybody hates their prime minister. Nobody likes their president. Nobody likes anybody in power.

Rob Manfred, and I'm not saying this because we have a baseball contract, I'm not. Rob Manfred has taken massive swings for three years, and they've almost all worked. The pitch clock. I've said that last two years I watched more baseball. The games move. I got a life to live. I can't sit and watch three and a half hour games in May. The sport moves. It's quick. Everything's better faster. Everything's better, more efficiently,

quicker, more succinct. So the sport moves. It's faster. It's global. And I find this too. You know, you go back to the Mets World Series team. They weren't the most likable. They were crazy off the field stuff. This Dodger team, considering the money, considering how big this organization is, everybody likes everybody. It's an incredibly good room. We are lives in L.A. It's the herd. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, it's Rob Parker and Kelvin Washington from the odd couple on Fox Sports Radio.

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who like everything connected to the Jets, was not playing well. The Colts, whose past coverage is not good. And remember, it's the AFC. You got Mahomes in the playoffs. You're going to have Drake May. you're going to have Josh Allen, you better be good on the back end. So, you know, that's the reality of it.

So, by the way, the Seahawks GM John Snyder is one of the really good ones. So the Seahawks are getting Rashid Shaheed. He's a burner. He's a downfield Saints receiver. And Seahawks are sending a 2026 fourth and fifth round pick. So a fourth and a fifth rounder for an over-the-top burner-wide receiver. All right. Remember, they're not paying JSA.

anything. He's in year two and they're not paying that rookie receiver out of Colorado State anything. So this guy, I think his contracts up at the end of the year, they're going to pay a home run threat over the top. So when you draft well like the Seahawks do, or you draft well like the Colts do in the middle of a season, you can take on some money. So I don't mind what the Colts did. It's a lot. I would have, you know, I would have preferred a first and a third or a first and a fourth and Mitchell, the receiver. But you know what I mean? Go time. You got to be a You've got to take swings. J. Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. A lot happening, Colin, around the NFL. Obviously, the Rashid Shahid move to the Seahawks from the Saints. That's big, but the bigger move is Sauce Gardner. The Jets, absolute heist, Colin. Trading Sauce Gardner for Adonai Mitchell and two firsts?

Mitchell's the guy who fumbled the ball against the Rams. He basically hasn't played. They haven't targeted him. They were like, we got to get him out of town. But he is a really talented receiver. You know his game from Texas. And listen, I know Jets fans right now are doing cartwheels. My phone won't stop buzzing.

Colin, they got a 2026 and 27 first. You know Jeremiah Smith from Ohio State is in the 27 draft. Do you think Daniel Jones is going to keep playing at this level for two seasons? I mean, the Jets can be sitting on a gold mine here. I mean, we'll see what happens. Yeah, but it doesn't matter because the Jets, nothing works. Aaron Rogers look washed. Now he looks like a top 12 quarterback.

Sam Darnold looks like the league's best quarterback. Nothing worked. Look to the future. Be positive. Come on. Come on, we've got to look to the future. We've got to be positive. We're not being negative here.

The Jets could win one or two games. They move off sauce gardener. They're sitting on two picks. They could get the kid Mendoza from Indiana, the quarterback who's basically Justin Herbert level smart. What will it matter? Darnold and Aaron Rogers. Is that kid Mendoza going to be as good as Sam Darnold?

offensive coordinators, different head coaches. Come on, the culture's changing. This is an absolute home run for the Jets. As doubt right, steal. All right, let's move on to the next one, Colin. The Green Bay Packers, man, that Tucker Kraft loss is brutal. It's real bad for their chances. They got a good backup in Luke Musgrave, but he is not quite Tucker Kraft, let's just say that. Here's Matt LaFleur on his next man up attitude with the offense. Tuck's a guy that he's not going to flinch. And that's what's, why that's why we love him. I mean, he's a hell of a player, hell of a teammate, hell of a guy. I'm bummed for him. I'm bummed for us. But it is, it's just, it's part of it. And it's got to be

that next man up mentality and, you know, unfortunate for him. But now other guys are going to get out an opportunity. So it is interesting. I just looked, so the hurt hierarchy, you didn't ask me about it, but you had the Eagles at one. You see in the screen there? They're underdogs against the Packers who were at home and weren't even in the Hurt hierarchy. Yeah. I have them 11. Interesting. Will that be a pick this weekend?

Could be. Is it Greenback? I'm not saying that. You're not tons of the Packers, Colin. I don't know. I feel like you're being a little bit reactionary to that loss to the Panthers. Who do I put them above? I mean, those teams, I mean, I'm not sure who I'm supposed to put them above.

Detroit? Detroit. They spank Detroit. the season opener. Well, the season opener. The hurt hierarchy is tough. I'll give you that, but the idea that they're not a top 10 team, that's a bridge too far. They're going to be fine

without craft. Let's see. The Packers have a couple hours here to make a move. Would not be... I mean, the NFL's getting hot and heavy with trades today. There's a lot of stuff happening. A lot of young general managers. I think the Cleveland Browns made a small move. You know what's interesting? Yeah. That Mitchell, that receiver for the Colts,

who did a bonehead move. in the NBA, no big deal. In the NFL, if you turn a loss, a win into a loss, you're done. Well, there's only 17 games. It was bad. That being said, he is a highly touted prospect. Remember a Texas? We got a Texas guy on staff who raves about this dude.

No, I watched him. I watched Texas football. He's a very good player, but that was a knucklehead move. Learn from your mistakes. Move on. You can't dwell on. I would much rather play for the Colts than the Jets. Well, Sauce Gardner goes from one of the worst teams in the league to

I would love to be Sauce Gardner. Well, you know, okay, I'm not going to... Let's go back to the trade real quick, before we move on to the Lakers. So somebody smart on our staff was like, Jay Mack, you get in Sauce Gardner, you're giving up two firsts. That's a lot. Who's Sauce Gardner guarding on the Bills? It's not like there's a superstar receiver on the Buffalo Bills.

Well, he's guarding Rishi Rice. He's guarding Rishie Rice. Okay, we'll give you that. But Rishie Rice just got shadowed by a rookie quarterback Harrison on the bills, and Rishie Rice was like a non-factor. So Ravens, Zay Flowers, you're not really game planning for him. So did you overpay for Sauce when there aren't even elite receivers in the AFC among the contenders, like the Chargers? They don't have, like Cortland Sutton, Ladd-McConkie?

These guys aren't superstars. Well, I think the feeling with Sauce Gardner is you're not doing it for a year. You know, what you're doing it for is when you face the great quarterbacks in this league in the playoffs, you want to face Denver. you're like, okay, Sauce, you're on Cortland Sutton, single coverage all game. We got to get to Bo Nix that you trust they can make that move. Sauce is a little Jalen Ramsey to me where if things go sideways, he goes sideways. I don't think he's a leader. I think he's a good football player.

I think Patrick Sertan has more leadership qualities. So, hold on. More moves? Okay. Just look at stuff. Okay. All right, let's go to the final story real quick. Let's wedge some NBA into the show.

So last night the Lakers announced no Luca, no Austin Reeves, obviously no LeBron. And they went to Portland and beat your Blazers in a D'Andre Aiton revenge game, Colin. Remember, the Blazers shipped him. Didn't he want to pay him? They're like, get the hell out of town. 29 and 10 for Aiton. Yeah, he plays when he's motivated. Yeah.

Too bad he's motivated about four times a year. Maybe Luca and LeBron can get him motivated. Let me hear some positivity, coward. Come on. You're hammering Lakers. Hammer Jets. How about Nick Smith? Young Studd was once the number one recruit in the nation. He had 25 last night.

Brony? And listen, I don't want to, we'll do plenty of later. I'll just say this. J.J. Redick impresses me. There's a great, people used to say this about Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson got the best out of every player he had. Now, sometimes a player is limited. But Phil got the best of you.

J.J. Redick has shown an ability to get the best offensively out of every Laker. He's done a really good job. So, I mean, Austin Reeves was fine with Darvinham. He wasn't this. No. Okay, and, you know, Austin deserves credit. Brawny James has made a couple of leaps.

He's playing really good at the top of the zone. JJ's throwing a lot of junk zone defenses. Teams are like, what's happening here? I'm just, he is coaching out of his mind. It's only, what, eight games in, or six and two? He is squeezing the juice out of all the young fruit, all the young talent, and some of them have a ceiling. But I, there is, there is value in, you know, the great coaches.

Andy Reid tends to get the most out of Hollywood Brown. Yeah. Who otherwise was a bust. He gets the most out of Juju Smith-Schuster. He goes to Pittsburgh, New England. You put him in Kansas City? He's always in on big. He got the most out of a limited sky more.

The really good coaches squeeze every last bit out. And I think there are some limitations athletically and defensively for the Lakers, but they have more guys pop for 23 points that I don't think would pop for 23 anywhere else, and Reddick deserves credit. 100%. By the way, Lakers 4-0 and clutch games. Highest team field goal percentage in the league. Wemby in town this week.

She were the best in the West. So, well, okay, she has the best record. Fine. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. I say this about football all the time.

Do you, is your side of the ball okay? You know, there's a lot of people criticize a coach and might. Like Ben Johnson, it's not his fault. The Bears defense stinks. He's not a defensive coach. He's got the offense, number one big play offense in the league. So Ben Johnson, the first thing I look at with a coach, does he at least get his side of the ball right?

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So instead of turning that Steeler loss into a losing streak, Chris Ballard's like, we're going to stop it now and go get a number one. By the way, the Cowboys should be noted, traded Micah, and they got two firsts in Kenny Clark. Kenny Clark's a very good interior defensive lineman. Those are rare body types. If everybody thinks the Jets stole it, the Jets got two number ones for a top five corner in the league, talent-wise, and a wide receiver who's a little bit of a flake. so I can find those guys at my grocery store, 15-minute drive from here.

Kenny Clark is a unique body-type interior delinement. Who do you think will be drafting that pick later? Do you think the Colts will be like the 29th pick or the Packers? I mean, Green Bay's got much bigger upside than Indy in the postseason. I mean, for all we know, Daniel Jones might turn into a pumpkin the rest of the season. Sauce Gardner also has a contract. They know what they're going to pay him. Micah did not when the trade was made.

So I don't, the bottom line is they're facing a bunch of number ones. They're star quarterbacks in their division. They don't have a star quarterback. They have Daniel Jones, so defense matters. The way Indianapolis is going to beat the Kansas cities and Buffaloes and New England is ball control. They have to control the ball with Jonathan Taylor. They're not going to win it because they're the best quarterback. Ball control and just if you lead late, you don't give up a cheap over-the-top touchdown.

and that's what Sauce Gardner provides. It's a good discussion. Are the Colts' fools goal, Colin? Let me just ask you. So Daniel Jones matches up in the playoffs with the Chiefs. The Chiefs are better at coach, quarterback. The Chiefs are going to win that game. Chis are going to win that game.

It matches up with Lamar and the Ravens. Ravens are probably going to win that game. Matches up with Josh Allen, Sean McDermott. The Bills are going to win that game. I just, I'm not calling the Colts Fool's goal, Colin. But I think we've got to be realistic. Some of this is, hey, man, they've had a great run. They're acting like they're legit contenders?

I think they're acting like we have a chance to win the division. We're facing a bunch of top receivers coming up. We got some momentum here. It's a winnable division. Let's go win it and make the move. This also changes the way a locker room feels. Locker rooms are like, bro, all those guys know sauce can deal. Does it change the dynamic after an ugly loss?

So there's a lot of things apply. I don't know if it's a great move or not, but I get the move. By the way, the Seahawks went out and got a number, well, they got an over-the-top wide receiver from the Saints. And what's interesting here is every advanced metric right now has Sam Darnold number one quarterback in the league. And it's amazing. I never gave up on Darnold. I said when he came out, I said he's not Andrew Luck, but he's going to look a lot like Andrew Luck. He does.

Can be a little reckless, tough, physical, you know, hard-working kid. but it's interesting. Baker Mayfield, when you talk about reclamation projects, Baker won a playoff game in Cleveland, and that year had a 98 quarterback rating. Daniel Jones' reclamation project. Not only did he win a playoff game, but in a season, Kevin O'Connell went and got him.

A lot of people like Kevin, they like Daniel Jones. People gave up on Sam Darnold. They absolutely gave up on Sam Darnold. And you start looking at this year, and last year, I mean, if you just want to talk numbers, he's a top three quarterback in the league. Just sheer numbers. The ability to extend the pocket.

Great deep ball thrower. And their general manager, John Snyder, is one of the sharpest personnel guys. So they got JSN, they got the kid out of Colorado State, the rookie, who first made news when he beat Dion and had a big game. Now you come down. We're going to get an over-the-top guy for Sam Darnold. It feels like something. to get a home run hitter. I don't know.

It feels like something. Seattle and the Colts. Their takeaway is, all right, we both have reclamation projects at quarterback, but Stuyken obviously likes Daniel Jones. And Mike McDonnell loves Darnold. So the Colts and the Seahawks made big moves today, and they have what are viewed as reclamation projects, not true star quarterbacks.

Well, Darnold is a star. but it's hard to unsee the Jets where he had a 77 passer rating and more total turnovers than total touchdowns. It's hard to unsee that. Jets are a big market. There's a lot of press. The ghost comment against Belichick. Seattle and Indy are saying, we got our quarterback. We don't need to draft a quarterback.

We got our guy. That's what the real signal is. Daniel Jones and Darnold, those GMs and those coaches are talking before these moves and saying, I'm good for the next three years with that guy at cornerback. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick.

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