The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd-HOUR-2-Herd Hierarchy, Trevor Lawrence

Episode Date: October 13, 2020

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Yeah, a little money. A little bit, no big deal. A couple margaritas from you and the wife later this week. So it wasn't a dramatic bet. No, no, no, no. 90% of my bets are 50 bucks. I always feel like if I win 50 bucks, I get dinner and a cocktail for free. What was the last big bet that you made?

Oh, I lost a lot of money. It was an NFL bet. It was a poor decision by me. Let me guess I bet Atlanta. I don't know. No, no, no. It wasn't too long ago. Yeah, it was an NFL bet.

Nonsense. Sorry. I'm bringing up old stuff, my bed. Slept on the steps that night. All right, here we go, the herd hierarchy. Ten best teams in the NFL. Let's not waste any time. Heard hierarchy.

Time is now, let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college, number 10. Cleveland Browns, Kevin Stefansky is my early leader for coach of the year. They finally got a smart coach who's a grown-up, very mature. I love what he's doing. They not only lead the NFL in rushing, but they lead the NFL in 10-plus yard rushes, meaning that's a big play rush offense. They'll hit you over the top as well.

Baker Mayfield worries me, but he does have multiple touchdowns in each game. I'll probably know more after this weekend against Pittsburgh. But the Brown's defense scares me on the back end, but they have forced 12 turnovers this year. Number one, Baker worries me in big spots, but I got Cleveland number 10. I love their coach. Number nine. Pittsburgh Steelers. Listen, you can't run on them, so it's going to be Will versus.

force this weekend. Cleveland's run game against Pittsburgh's run defense. Their upcoming schedule, Browns and Ravens will tell me a lot about Pittsburgh. I've still got some doubts. They're only 24th in the NFL yards per play. Big Ben's not making mistakes, 70%

completion rate, but the Steelers have beaten teams with a combined record of 3, 15, and 1. They've beaten a bunch of nonsense. And so I have my real doubts this weekend. I got them at 9. One spot ahead of Cleveland, and I'm not sure if I voted on this tomorrow, I'd feel the same. I think it's a toss-up with Cleveland

a little more explosive offensively. Number eight. Rams, four-no, but it's against the NFC East. They are beating up in the Giants and the Cowboys. Number one in yardage differential. That's a real thing, meaning they are explosive. Their defense has the most sacks this year. That was a real point of contention in the offseason. We're not getting the quarterback. Todd Gurley's gone. They've done a nice job. They got Camakers. Henderson, they've got nice running backs now. I think it's a real good room

to be in. It's a good team going forward. I think there's some limitations if Goff senses pressure. But the reality is, Gough has won two games for every game he's lost with Sean McVey and I got the Rams at 8. Number 7. Tampa Bay have some concerns. Leonard

Fernette still banged up. Chris Godwin's still out. I would like to see this team when they're healthy. against Chicago. They have, oh, you know, they've got their tight-in, best tight-in out for the year. Fernette's gone. Godwin. Mike Evans. Here's the good news. Love Todd Bulls, the defensive coordinator. They have the number one rushing defense in the NFL. And Mike Evans, when he's healthy, he and Brady have a relationship right now. So this is a team that should get better, but I keep them at seven because they look like garbage against the bears. He got Brady barking at people,

and frankly, their protection wasn't very good. Number six. Buffalo Bills. not much to dislike. Josh Allen, they have 30 plus points in each of their last three games. I have them this low because coming up, they face Tennessee, the Chiefs, the Patriots, and the Seahawks. So I feel like in the next month, I'm really going to get a sense of what they are. I have said this before. I think it's the best young coaching staff in the NFL. This is it.

That and the 49ers, best young coaching staff in the NFL. They've done a miraculous job with Josh Allen. But the truth is the next three, four games. Number five. Patriots. I would take the Patriots with Cam Newton over the bills this morning if they played. Still the best coach team in the league. Keep your eye on Damian Harris emerging as a star at running back. The second best rushing team after Cleveland, their defense has allowed one rushing touchdown. Again, with Cam, I think they're a nightmare to face. I think they match up with Kansas City very well. You know how Kansas City is sort of Baltimore's kryptonite? Belichick and this team with Cam,

Newton could possibly be Kansas City's kryptonite. I think they would have beaten them. They run the ball. They've got an emerging start running back. You can't run on them, and they're the best coach team in the league. Number four. The Seahawks. It's mostly I'm voting Russell Wilson fourth.

It is a historically pathetic defense. Now, Jamal Adams has been banged up. They do have Bobby Wagner and Jamal Adams. But if you look at most games, game-winning drives in the first nine seasons of the NFL, Russell Wilson is first all time. Now again, they got to go to Buffalo and they got a game against the Rams on the road. So we'll get a little more clarity.

But at this point, they've got playmakers. Russell's a playmaker. Jamal Adams a playmaker. D.K. Metcalf is a playmaker. They've got flaws. But they've also, when you can get outplayed and win, like they did against Minnesota, that speaks well of you. They got outplayed and won.

Not a lot of teams in the NFL can say that. Number three. Ravens. I like them. I think we're selling too much of our stock. Highest yards per carry in the NFL. Again, that's very Cleveland. They not only run the ball, but they'll pop runs. This is an aggressive home run running game.

They can pop stuff. They lead in scoring defense. I thought last week Lamar looked a little banged up, so I didn't take a ton from last week's performance. So don't sell your Raven stock. If you're selling it, I'm buying it. I got him at three. Number two.

Kansas City is number two. Listen, the loss of the Raiders snapped a 13-game winning streak. But I will say this about this team. They can be maddeningly inconsistent, even offensively half to half. They can have bad halves, bad series. They're just not as consistent as I'd like offensively.

They don't have a ceiling. I mean, when they're on, lights out. Good night. Thanks for flying United. But they don't get to that point a lot. And I think Andy Reid's concern is, hey, we've got to button up some stuff. When we're great, nobody's beating us. But we have some real holes and real droughts, and they did against the Raiders.

Number one. Green Bay, there's some really interesting numbers here, and he faces Brady this week. But here's some numbers that you can't deny. They're averaging 6.8 yards a play. That is a Vegas number. Vegas loves that. If you're averaging almost seven yards of play, that's, well, why are they? doing it. The offensive line is ranked number one in the NFL. Aaron hasn't thrown a pick.

They're not getting penalized. They're not turning the ball over. I think their defense is probably a little better than we give it credit for because Aaron is so fantastic. We pay so much attention to Brett Farve and Aaron Rogers and Green Bay's offense that their defenses are rarely bad. I think it's a good solid defense. Certainly there's some bad defenses in the NFC. I think Green Bay is the best team right now. A few as sacks allowed, no interceptions, seven yards of play, a better defense, their special teams are reliable. If Devante Adams is healthy and he's got some injury history, I think it's a Super Bowl winning team. How about that? What do you think there? Joy. I think Steelers fans are going to be upset with you, but. Conte, beaten awful teams.

Yeah. So it's interesting. So I have. have Pittsburgh at 9, Cleveland at 10. It's a four, four and a half point spread, Fox bet. And this morning, I would take Cleveland to cover. I would take the points. Now, you think Pittsburgh would win? I think, I think it's, I think that game is the best game of the weekend. I think it's 24, 23.

I think it's a great game. You know, well, you're right. Packers, okay, there's two great games. It's Aaron Rogers and Brady. Yeah. But the more I think about that, I'll take Aaron Rogers in that game. It's all about. But you think Steelers Browns will be the better game.

game. I think it's, it's going to be a, well, not the better. I misspoke. Brady Rogers is just going to be all fireworks. Also, Chiefs, Chiefs, Bill's. There's a lot of good games this weekend. There are. So, but again, four and a half points, I'll take Cleveland, as of this morning, I would take Cleveland to cover that. I mean, I was so off on Green Bay this year. Yeah, they look great. They look amazing. Their offensive line. I'll tell you, it's funny about teams. Pittsburgh's one of these organizations, they just draft wide receivers and develop them. You know, it's funny about this. I've talked to coaches about this. I talked to a coach about this about a week ago. You think that college football is where you develop talent. You got a high school kid. You got to develop

them because the high school coach doesn't know what he's doing. But the reality is, in college, you only get 17 hours a week to coach. That's what the NCAA says. So the truth is in the NFL, you get a lot of gems, but they're raw. You've got to develop guys in the NFL. There are teams. The Steelers develop wide receivers better than any. anybody. And I've said this more than once on this show. Green Bay, they develop offensive lines. So when's the last time the Packers had a bad O line? And they don't, very rarely do they draft first round. So Green Bay's offensive line, and that far mostly had good O lines, Aaron's had mostly really high-end offensive lines. Dallas has drafted great offensive linemen. Can they develop them?

Because the chance of you getting Tyron Smith again and Jack Martin, Travis Frederick, again, having guys that generationally good, Green Bay takes guys in the third and fourth round and then become all pros. And teams that develop their young players tend to be consistently good year after year and competitive year after year and don't have to go through full rebuilds. Also, teams that don't develop players have to go through free agency, overpay for players, and free agency is historically about a 35% hit rate.

So that the reason that Pittsburgh and Green Bay are always good is not just Big Ben and Aaron Rogers. They develop their players. Packers, once again, pro football focus this morning, best offensive line in the league is the Green Bay Packers. Peter King's around the corner coming up next. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day,

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Now, Joy, you mentioned earlier, Clayton Kershaw is a scratch today. Back spasms. So good luck because Atlantic and Rake. They got all sorts of hitters. So this should be a high-scoring series. Once you get past your aces, there should be a lot of runs in this series. Peter King loves his baseball as well. Football Morning in America, joining us now live, NBCSports.com. So I watched Justin Herbert last night, and I've got to tell you, Peter,

Josh Allen was kind of a mess his first year. Mahomes got to sit and watch his first year. This kids played Breeze, Brady. Mahomes, led all of them in the fourth quarter. I think we have a star. I mean, Peter, I don't mean to be hyperbolic, but I watched him last night, and that is what a star looks like to me. What was your takeaway?

I mean, what else can you say other than he was the best quarterback on the field and the other one was Drew Breeze? And, you know, I mean, Breeze pulled it out of his hat late. He just did. But if you ask me, you know, for the length of the game, the best quarterback on the field was Justin Herbert. And on the road, and look, it's a big help to have no crowd there because, you know, clearly, you know, have no crowd in the Superdome for a Monday night game or it would have been absolutely bonkers. That certainly helped him. But I think he's terrific. And it's so impressive to me, Colin, that if you look at the first pick in the draft and the sixth pick in the draft, those are both quarterbacks and both of them look like top 12, top 15 players pretty soon in their careers. And we haven't even talked about the guy who one year ago today, one year ago today,

Tuatanga Voloa was, was he the no doubt number one pick in the draft one year ago today? Yes. And he hasn't even touched the field yet. And I still think he's going to be really good. So it's just, it's crazy what's happened. Yeah, we're really in the golden age of quarterbacks. And they're all great kids. Like one of the things I've said this about the NBA and the NFL, we're so lucky right now.

You just have great coachable kids. They work hard. And we also have three college quarterbacks coming out next year. And they're all seen as A to A plus prospects. And that leads me to this is that Matt Ryan, I watch him Sunday. He's 36. Arthur Blanks is like, I'm going to start over. There's a lot of these Matt Staffords.

Matt Ryan's. They're Cape. Kirk cousins. And I got to tell you, Peter, I watch Josh Allen. I watch Lamar. I watched these kids move in the pocket. And I wonder if I'm Atlanta, and Atlanta goes out and gets a coach, I wonder if after a year they just, they make them in San Francisco Garapolo.

It seems to me, Peter, that the tank for Trevor Lawrence, I'm not sure how many teams outside of Baltimore, Green Bay, Seattle, Kansas City, wouldn't take him. What do you do with him, Matt Ryan, and Matt Stafford, if you can get a great young quarterback? What do you do with them? I think the biggest problem you have right now, Colin. is that if the Atlanta Falcons choose to move on next year from Matt Ryan, it's a $49 million cap hit.

Right. If they choose to move on even two years from now, it's a $26 million cap hit. And remember, the cap's $198 this year, but the next year it's going to be $175, and there's a good chance the year after that it'll be around $1.75 too. So that, you know, even 26 million for a well-managed team is a gigantic pile of dead money on your cap. And I, look, I know that Atlanta and Falcons fans are rapidly falling out of love with Matt Ryan. But as of right now, really not much of a choice. The only choice that you have, honestly, is because Matt Ryan's a great guy,

the only choice you have right now is to basically have a new guy come in and next year Ryan plays and then after that you let the best man win. Yeah, no, I think that's what I would do if I could get a Justin Fields or Trevor Lawrence. So I'll make, I want to theorize something here. We mostly know who's rebuilding. Washington's rebuilding. Giants are rebuilding. Jacksonville's rebuilding.

Nobody would dispute that. And then there's teams that are obviously are not rebuilding. Baltimore, Green Bay. These are really good teams. really good rosters. But then there are these teams in the middle that don't want to admit it, but they are rebuilding. And I'm going to say this.

Dallas is very interesting. I think they're rebuilding. They don't want to admit it. Right now they've got an old offensive line and it's mediocre, an old defensive line that's mediocre. They need a corner and a safety. Linebacker, they're very expensive right now, banged up and a tad overrated. Tight end, they're okay, not special.

If you take out wide receiver, they don't need that for the next two or three, drafts and running back, Pollard and Zeeke are good. And I think DAC is their future. Could I argue that we are just, we just don't understand. I watch the Giants in Dallas. That's the same team. One has an offense. One has a defense. Dallas is actually in a rebuild, I would say, Peter. They just don't want to admit it publicly. Well, I mean, you'd have to find out first about Lylell Collins and Tyron Smith. and I think Tyron Smith, you're right, he's been getting banged up. He's now obviously out for the year.

You have no idea what his future is. I'd want to know that before I would say that in 2021, I'm a rebuilding team. Because you have an explosive offense, teams are able, look at Bill Belichick. He has pieced together a defense without his, you know, the best guy on his front seven, Dante Hightower, the guy who might have played the best last year, Kyle Van Nuoy. He's missing all his good veterans, and yet he pieces together a bunch of Lawrence guys, and he makes a really good defense. So I'm not sure that defense is as hard to put together year to year as is a really good offense with a good quarterback. To me, I still think they can be

the best in a bad division if Dak Prescott lines up opening day next year and he's whole. So I watched Russell Wilson Sunday night, and Aaron Rogers, according to PFF, has the best offensive line in the league and a better defense than Russell Wilson. And you've talked to Russell Wilson about this. I don't know who to compare him to. They're 5 and 0 right now with statistically the worst defense in league history. And Pete Carroll's supposed to be a defensive maven, but they've let things slide up front defensively. They had to kind of overpay to get Jamal Adams. is Seattle to you a Super Bowl-level team,

or are they just an unbelievably fascinating team to watch with a superstar quarterback that will eventually be exposed because they're just so many holes defensively? Do you look at them and think Super Bowl team? Or do you look at them like I'm increasingly doing and saying, no, Russell Wilson's the greatest football player currently on the earth, the rest of the team you could mostly have? How do you view the Seahawks?

I view that there's three events that I want to see before I can definitively answer that question. First event, is Jamal Adams back in three to four weeks? This team is going to make the playoffs. So is Jamal Adams back and is he going to be what they traded for? Number two, Damon Harrison, Snacks Harrison. it's incredible that you've got a premier run player who's just on the street, not sure whether he wants to play or not, and you just pick them up basically for nothing. And now, I would say probably by the end of this month, he's going to be playing.

Who is he? Is he a great run stopper still? Or is he done? And the third thing I want to see, two weeks from now when the trading deadline happens, I want to find out what magic John Schneider can pull. Because to me, there's going to be a bunch of guys who can improve their pass rush that if you're willing, if John Schneider is willing to touch his 2022 draft, he's already traded his first two picks next year for Jamal Adams. And if he's willing to touch his two or his three in 2022, he should be able to get a player of some value to help him this year. And that's what I would like to see him do.

Go get a pass rusher at the trading deadline. Finally, Peter King joining us. Minnesota and the Niners are not quite as good as I thought, although Minnesota has lost close games to good teams. Pittsburgh and the Raiders are a little better than I thought. The biggest surprise in the league to me to this point, because there's a lot of stuff that I thought. I thought the NFCEs was going to be bad.

I like the Packers, Tampa Bay, Seahawks, Rams. I'm not shocked by a lot of what's happened. I pick Cleveland to be a playoff team. The shock of the league to me is Josh Allen. I can't explain it. He looks like a top five quarterback. That is my real shock of the NFL season. Do you have one?

I love the Josh Allen pick because none of us knew how much work he did in the offseason to make himself better with his own private quarterback coach Jordan Palmer and with Tony Romo being his Josh Allen whisperer this off season. He helped him out quite a bit. and that's why he's better mechanically. That's why he's a much more accurate passer, and that's why he doesn't play the game like he's Pedro Martinez

looking like he's got to throw 100 on every pitch to be successful. He isn't that quarterback anymore. He's a guy who has developed more of a touch and more of knowledge of how to play the game. I love that pick. If you would ask me, there's a very good chance I would have said him, but I might have said one other thing.

I might have said how quickly both Justin Herbert and Joe Burrow look like. Yeah. And again, I know this is going to sound crazy. By December 1st, they both might be in the top 10 or 12 of quarterbacks in this league. Yeah. Now, it's going to be hard to look at Joe Burrow because they're going to be losing games. The Cincinnati Bengals have to be willing to say, all right, look, at the trading deadline, we're going to see if we can get a bag of footballs for A.J. Green.

okay we're we we we have to move on from who what we thought a j green was four years ago he's not that guy anymore see get whatever we can get and live in the present not in the past yeah no i don't think it's crazy at all because josh allen's my shock of the year and i told the team this morning as we were prepped for the show i said i'm not going to go to a second my second is justin herbert i'm like i this is he's a star i mean that that anybody that can make those plays last night missing a right tackle a right guard, a top running back in Keenan Allen after the first quarter against the Saints pass rush and the best pure corner in the league. I'm like, I'm sorry, that's a star.

That's what a star looks like right there. Peter King, NBC Sports. We got a roll. Thank you, sir. Thanks for stopping by. All right, Colin. Rec tech, more than grill, to lifestyle. A grill built by grillers, four grillers.

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after taking home his fourth title. He said, Up in Smoke Tour, what they're going to say now? Put this on his Instagram. I know they'll make another criteria that nobody else has ever had in the history of the game.

But guess what, though? Bring it on, please. Heavy is the head that holds the crown. They say, let's get it. hashtag the kid from Akron, hashtag revenge season completed. And he also posted a very artistic photo of him taking a long drag of that cigar, that celebratory cigar. First of all, I love when guys, when athletes are willing to just say,

I'm good, get over it. I have no problem with that because he is. The average guy on Twitter is telling you how great he is. And, you know, he's living with his mom. So I have no problem with LeBron going, I'm good. You keep putting up roadblocks and I keep blowing through him. The second thing is, we all know he's talking about there. My MJ.

Well, yeah, of course. I think, look, I'm a MJ zealot. And let's not forget, all right, we just watched the last dance and we're all enamored with the greatness of MJ. Now, we've then since more recently, just watched LeBron win his fourth title with his third team. bringing a team that would otherwise likely not be in the finals there and winning finals MVP in a season that I personally felt like he should have also won the regular season MVP, which is not a knock on Janus. I just think that LeBron was more valuable to his team.

I just, it's getting kind of difficult to have that conversation. And I'm saying that as a MJ superfan, I think maybe we're just having the wrong conversation. Like, you said, I think it was yesterday, and you said that MJ is like a chocolate candy or something. Well, they're both, let's like, it's like, do you like yogurt or ice cream more? They're both in the dairy family, and a great yogurt is great, and a great ice cream's great. Like, you can't, but they're totally different, the texture and the feel. I think both players could play in both eras. Oh, God, yes.

Because they're both physical players. Yeah, Michael would be great today and LeBron would be great. Yeah, to me, I always think that LeBron's a better magic, Michael's a better Kobe, and so we're always comparing, like, it's not comparing Coke and Pepsi. You could compare those. It's comparing Coke and orange juice. Yeah, I think it's almost impossible to make the comparison. As LeBron continues to achieve these new levels of greatness, and they're just different guys. He's not going to go 6 and 0 in the finals, but that was done a while ago. Like that's already been erased from the LeBron legacy.

He's not going to do that. But is that the standard for what the greatest is? To me, it's just everything that MJ encompassed. But to me, LeBron is also the greatest superstar in any sport that we've ever seen in the history of sports. What he has done from entering the spotlight at age 16 to now is unprecedented. Think about this. Brady leaves. the Patriots. Cam shows up

and you're like, oh, kind of new and different and fun. Like, Brady's the goat. Nobody disputes that. Joe Montana left the Niners. You put Steve Young and you're like, oh, they can win Super Bowls. LeBron leaves teams, even like the heat and it's like man overboard. Like, it's just his... Well, I mean, Doug's point earlier, like, they did lose Chris Bosch. They would have been a playoff team

if Chris Bosch had not had the issue with the blood clots. But yes, teams fall apart. Like, obviously Cleveland. Like, no thinks Cleveland's going to get back to the finals six years after losing the Bronon James. If LeBron retired today, what would the Lakers be? Not winning the finals. Eight seed in the West. I mean, they're just not the same basketball team.

This roster is 80 LeBron and a bunch of stuff. Look, I've dropped my pettiness with LeBron when he went to the Lakers. He is in legacy mode now. I'm not a sore loser. They were incredible this year, and he deserves the credit. Because it's not just that he got the Lakers to the finals and won a 17th. championship. He overcame the Kobe tragedy, dealing with COVID, going into a bubble for three months, being away from his family, being the face of the league in an insane year of 2020 with

constant criticism. Everyone's telling you you're ruining the league. The ratings are down because no one's watching anymore because you're talking about equality. Like everything that they've dealt with this year, I can't be more impressed with LeBron. So the charges fell to one and four on the season after another heartbreaking loss, although impressive performance by Justin Herbert. And Anthony Lynn says the team needs to figure out how to close out these close games. Yeah. Guys are putting themselves in position to win these games, and we're just not finishing the games, okay? And it's not one thing here.

Yeah, I could give you a ton of excuses, but I'm not about excuses. You know, at the end of the day, we just got to get it done, and that's on me. We know we can play with anybody because we've been doing it. We just got to finish these damn games. The charges have seen all five of their games come down to one possession. They're o-and-two and overtime games. They also lost nine of 11 games by one possession in 2019. I just...

See, I don't buy in curses. The reality is I don't buy curses ever. I don't believe in ghosts. I believe in goats. Those happen. But I don't believe in curses. The chargers historically have been a little cheat. Maybe don't quite have the medical staff.

Don't quite have the kicker. Don't quite have the coordinator. They're not losing these games because something's hovering over them because the Rams with McVeigh win a lot of these close games. and a lot of teams win a lot of these close games. If I'm the Chargers, my medical staff, my coaching staff, are they the best available? Are my paying for the best available people?

Because right now, Justin Herbert, he was 20 of 34, 264 yards, four touchdowns and no interception. Missing top running back, Keenan Allen, and two offensive linemen. And getting smacked. Smoked. Got smoked. I don't know. It is spooky season, Colin. I don't buy into that. They should just like sage the facility, you know, put some salt in a couple of the corners.

Maybe bring in a healer. Just need some breaky or something. When that kick went. I mean, come on. Like, how does that happen? Everyone's watching. It's like Twitter is unanimous. Twitter doesn't ever agree on anything except for the charges occurs.

I mean, isn't that what you thought just a little bit? I think they've gone a little cheap from the ownership. I think they've been a little cheap. And I'm saying, are you willing to? to spend $9 million for a coach. Because if you're not, you're going to get a retread or an unproven quarterback, a coordinator. So when you have Justin Herbert, are you going to go get Lincoln Riley, Urban Meyer? Or are you going to go and, you know, there's a coordinator we like in a Buffalo.

Or are you going to go get a big boy head coach? So that's the mean. I like Anthony Lynn. He's done a nice job. But now you're in a division with Andy Reid to win it. You got to out scheme Andy Reid and outplay Mahomes. and I think Justin Herbert may hold up his end of the bargain. I just think these are questions that need to be asked inside.

Yeah, I mean, they have to finish those games. Finally, the Jets once again struggled to get anything going offensively and lost 30 to 10 to the Cardinals this weekend. They're now 0 and 5 on the season. And Adam Gay says he's considered giving up play calling in order to better manage games as a head coach. Well, their next three opponents are the Dolphins, Bills, and Chiefs. Oh, and 3.

They'll be 0 and 8. and they will, let's be honest here, they're going to move off Darnold. So Darnold will be available, and if you put him to the right team, like for instance, I'm the Indianapolis Colts. I give Darnold those running backs, that offensive line, and the receiver Pittman that he had at USC. If I was the Colts, because the Colts are going to be too good

to get one of the top three quarterbacks. Sam Darnold, if I'm the Colts, is who I go after. Well, according to the New York Daily News, there's a report that they are looking to trade levy on Bell as well. So things are going to start. They're going to have cap space and draft picks in New York. Unwinding there.

Yeah. You could also, with Trevor Lawrence, you're going to have, you could literally get three firsts and three seconds for Trevor Lawrence. Keep Donald. And they already have two first next year anyway. You could end up, you will literally, if Joe Douglas is capable, you are going to have like, you could get between what you have now and what you could get for Trevor Lawrence.

You could have seven first round picks the next three years. you could have seven second round picks the next three years. So you're saying to keep Darnold. Listen, Darnold's going to find a place. This morning, Joy, we look around the NFL. You got like nine teams need a quarterback. Sam Darnold's going to get a second look. He's not old.

And I think that the place to me is Indianapolis. You're going to give him a real coach, a real running game, and a tremendous offensive line. Sam Darnold went seven. He had a winning record last year where the Jets and had nothing. You don't think he can win in that crazy, nutty, vision with Jacksonville in Houston. I think Sam Donald has plenty of football left in him.

This year for the Jets is just a disaster. I'm not even as high on Daniel Jones. If the Giants moved off, Daniel Jones can start somewhere in this league. Again, I don't know how either of these New York teams pitched to their fans that they're not taking Trevor Lawrence after the seasons that they've had, regardless of what you feel about Daniel Jones or Sam Donald. I think it's a great point. Some more thoughts on Trevor Lawrence and who's going to take him.

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By the way, there's articles out today, Tank for Trevor, the quarterback at Clemson, Trevor Lawrence. And there's a lot of different stories on who would take him. And I think you have to reverse it. The question is, who wouldn't take him? Who wouldn't take Trevor Lawrence? and we were looking at the top 15 draft picks this morning. Giants would take him. Falcons, I think, would take him and sit him for a year.

I think jets are going to take him. Chargers would not. Washington would. Jaguars would. Vikings would. I'd like to see Tua. I would think the dolphins wouldn't. But if he does play for six weeks and stinks, the dolphins would.

They're not going to sit around and wait forever. Lions have to. Denver would. The Carson Wentz thing. I love Carson Wentz. But now it's in his head. now he gets hurt a lot. I think Philadelphia would have to consider it.

Again, you can get something for Carson Wentz on the market. If a team has a good offensive line, you can get stuff for Carson Wentz. Bingles would not. 49ers would. And I think the Patriots would. I think the Patriots would sign Cam to a two-year deal, bring him in. Like Justin Field, Trevor Lawrence, and say, Cam, going to be a mentor. We're going to win a Super Bowl with you.

But it's not who's going to take Trevor Lawrence. Who isn't? This morning, the Chargers and the Cincinnati Bengals are not in the top 15. They love their guys and they should. And then you get into really uncomfortable conversations like Philadelphia with Carson Wentz. If somebody would give you a first for Carson Wentz. Somebody would give you a first for Carson Wentz. I mean, I would take Carson.

Again, the team that's really fascinating here is the Colts. The Colts have an excellent offensive line, a merging star at running back. excellent defense, but it's all being undermined because they don't have the right quarterback. Jacoby Brissette and Phillip Rivers. They don't have the guy. So to me, the Colts would take a Carson Wentz and would take a Sam Darnold and it would change the franchise.

Those guys could sit behind Rolls Royce of an offensive line. But they're just certain people, folks. I think you have to take Trevor Lawrence. And I like Sam Darnold. He needs a reboot. He's got to get the hell. I'm rooting for him. And you can get something for Sam Darnold.

Sam Darnold's going to market. Carson Wentz has a market. Daniel Jones has a tiny market, but Jimmy Garoppolo's got a market, but I think it's pretty tiny. But you just do not get this kind of player. You know, we nitpick. It's so funny. So Justin Herbert's been great, right? And I said it a couple times last year after the Rose Bowl.

I said Justin Herbert reminds me of a kind of a poor man's Trevor Lawrence. He's Trevor Lawrence. Trevor's a little better runner. Now, Herbert's got a better arm than Trevor Lawrence. But Trevor Lawrence is what Justin Herbert looks like. Big tall moves, big arm. I think Herbert's arm is very quickly a top five NFL arm. He's got a huge arm.

But you started looking around the NFL as much as I like Sam Nard. The Colts are going to be huge in this. Like right now in Indianapolis, they got this great defense. They love their coach. Jonathan Taylor's been a great rookie running back. Their O-line's great. They kind of need an it guy at wide receiver. But they're not rebuilding anymore.

They are a real team. The Colts are not rebuilding. They need a quarterback. They're going to have a lot of choices here because these teams are taking track. Giants and Jets alone are moving off their guys. And I wouldn't with Darnel. I kind of think with Darnold, give me three first, three seconds. I'd stay with them and I'd get a new coach.

I'd go out and Spain. I'd get Lincoln Riley. I'd get Urban Meyer. I wouldn't waste any time. Get a big boy guy that's coached. But I don't think there's a lot of teams saying no. I mean, again, I'll say it again with Matt Ryan. Matt Stafford.

Matt Ryan. Matt Ryan works. If everything's perfect, this kid just overcome stuff. But that's what you need the quarterback position. In 2020 you do. In 2020 you do. I mean, at some point, your organization is not going to be built the way that it was when it was perfect. There's always injuries.

I mean, look at Russell Wilson. Like, we consider the Seahawks as an organization to not be a dysfunctional organization. Their defense is not great. And he is overcoming things in Seattle, which is a traditional, traditionally well-run franchise. Okay, so think about, because here's the other issue. Offensive lines in the last 10 years, last five, have deteriorated badly. Who are the two teams that always have a good offensive line?

New England, which had Dante Scarnaccia, considered the Svengali, the guru of offensive linements. So they never, and Green Bay, that does the best job in the league of developing offensive lines. So Green Bay and New England for the last five, six years, they're just always good up front. They're always way better than average. So you had this legendary coach, once in a lifetime head coach, and whatever Green Bay secret sauce is in developing offensive lines, they do it great.

Everybody else in this league is like crossing their fingers week to week. Bad offensive line play is, if you watch Washington and the Rams this weekend, I mean, it was, the Rams don't even have a consistently great pass rush. They have Aaron Donald. It was a mess. They gave up eight sacks. Oh, so you have to consider that. that if offensive line play is deteriorating in the NFL,

because all these college teams are now running spreads, you get very, very few programs, Wisconsin, Michigan, Alabama, they can pound the ball, they give you great offensive linemen, maybe LSU. But by and large, college football now is spreading it out, even the traditional powers. They're spreading it out. They're throwing 45 times, meaning you're not developing offensive linemen in college to the NFL.

And when they get to the NFL, with the new CBA, they just don't get enough minutes practicing. It's the one unit. So my point being is if offensive lines are deteriorating and they appear to be, then you better have a quarterback that can make something happen if everything isn't perfect. Justin Herbert last night,

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