The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Jerry Jones still can't get a deal done with Micah Parsons, Joe Thomas

Episode Date: August 6, 2025

Colin talks about Cowboys owner Jerry Jones' ways of trying to get a deal done with Micah Parsons He also talks to HOF offensive lineman Joe Thomas about the Browns QB conundrum, what he likes about Shedeur Sanders, why older quarterbacks hate taking hits, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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One of the top four, five, six left tackles of all time will be joining us. He calls the preseason games for the Cleveland Brown, which this year are fascinating. So I was thinking about this. J. Mack is saying, how can you defend Jerry Jones when he's negotiating with Michael Parsons? So the reason I do, like I'm kind of split 50-50. I don't always side with a player. But Jerry Jones is discussing negotiations. He is openly discussing negotiations.

Michael Parsons has a year left in his contract. In Cincinnati, they won't even, we don't even start the conversation. Mike Brown hides from you. Oh, so that's the bar? The Cincinnati Bengals of the bar? I'm just saying you have no legal obligation to sign somebody to a contract a year early. We've got a CBA. We've got all this stuff figured out.

Now, the other one is, well, Micah has outperformed his contract. No, he hasn't. He's a pro bowler in the top of the first round. The player selected either before or after him, Rishon Slater, left tackle, more valuable position arguably also been a pro bowler. Now, he got paid, but he didn't outperform his contract. You're a top 15 player. You're a pro bowler. You should be, especially if you're, and I think left tackles, and I said this yesterday, quarterback's the most important position in football, left tackle second. If you get a left tackle like Michelle and Slater, you sign them. Edge rushers,

uh, quarterback left tackle, dominant interior D-Lineman over edge rusher. There are aren't any, I mean, we can all, who's the best defensive interior lineman ever? Reggie White, second best, Aaron Donald, third best. Chris Jones is up there. Like, there's not many great interior defensive lines. There's a lot of great edge rusher. The league's got eight to ten good ones. There's a kid named Jared Verst for the Rams.

That kid is, he's not even top five yet. He looks like it can be Lawrence Taylor in a year. So I like Micah. But Jerry is openly discussing the contract a year early. And Micah has been an excellent player, but the ID is wildly outperforming his contract. No, he's not. He has been a hit. You view first round picks as hits or misses.

He is an absolute hit. He's clearly Jerry's open to paying him because he's negotiating. If your company comes to you a year before and, hey, let's talk about a contract. That's happened to me once in my career. He ended up signing it early. Earlier than you normally would. That's a good sign. They like you.

But, you know, they're, I don't think, here's Jerry Jones this week on the Micah Parsons' negotiations. I bought the Dallas Cowboys with a handshake. Took about 30 seconds. And I gave the number, shook hands, the details we worked out later. As a matter of fact, one of the details involved. a lot of money and we had to flip a coin over that but the fundamental I'm buying and you're going to sell it to me for that range that's done and those are done with eye contact and handshake in the case of a player contract you have to have it in writing all parties do we have a contract

in writing yet we're still talking about renegotiating it yeah we got a contract we're a year out we're talking about it and player contracts are different that's why you have have a CBA. You don't have a CBA on buying a team. You know, even though it's a bigger deal, a lot of the, I don't care if it's a Facebook buying Instagram. A lot of that stuff. I mean, I can tell you a company I used to work at and a company I currently work at, they had a deal. They probably agreed initially over a table, you know, in a big office with the oak table and chairs and they price that down. And then they said, okay, lawyers, you figured out we've agreed to. it. Now, player contracts were a little different. With that Joe Thomas, the all-time great left tackle

for the Cleveland Browns, one of the best ever, calling the Browns preseason games. So my lead story today was there's this bubbling story I'm hearing that I think's fairly ridiculous, that the Browns are sabotaging Shadour Sanders by only practicing with the ones one day. and I reminded the audience that Josh Dobbs played with the Vikings without a practice. Baker Mayfield played with Sean McBan the Rams with one practice, and Shadour's been at mini-cams, OTAs, training camp. He'll be fine. But I have to ask you, Joe, you've probably heard these claims too

that some people think the Browns don't want him to succeed. Is it a small story or is it bigger than it should be? Well, it's bigger than it should be because Shudor Sanders is a huge star. He was one of the biggest stars in college football for several years. And the biggest story of the draft was him falling all the way to the fifth round and the Brown's taking him. And he's got a lot of people that really believe in him. They're huge fans of him from when he was in college. And they want to see him succeed. And what's the best way for him to succeed is if he just was planted as the day one starter as soon as he walks through the door in Cleveland,

he gets all the reps. And no matter what happens, you put him out there and he's your starting guy. But that's not what Cleveland drafted him with a mindset of, right? They got him in the fifth is a great value. They've got a bunch of other quarterbacks on the roster. And they want to give equal playing time and equal reps to everybody not named Joe Flacco to see who's going to separate themselves so that as you get later in training camp, now you've got a little bit more of a pecking order of where your quarterbacks are. And you give that guy a little bit more reps. So right now, it's just a matter of the situation that he's in with Dylan Gabriel and Kenny Pickett and themselves where they're splitting reps between all those guys. And I get it. If you're a Chedura Sanders to

and then you want to see him get all the reps and you're mad and you're going to come up with a conspiracy theory like the Browns don't want him to win and they don't want him to be the starting quarterback but really the reality is it's just a situation he's competing with two other young guys to see who's going to be the one that comes out of after the first or second preseason game as the clear number two option and then he gets a few more reps so there was it was interesting I was um I don't know who was doing the interview but I heard Brock Pretty talking about this in the last 24 hours he talked about and Brock Pretty 6-1 And Purdy's like about 40% of the time, I don't see where I'm throwing it.

That's my first look. I can't see where I'm throwing it. Tua has talked about this. Like there are times I can't see offensive linemen like Joe Thomas or 6'7, right? And so I was never a Dylan Gabriel believer. I watched them in Oregon and might take his folks. He's small. So I always thought I would have drafted Shadur just on size and accuracy.

And by the way, Dylan Gabriel played with better teammates at Oregon than Shadur did and was more accurate at Colorado with a bad old line and no run game. Right now, from what you've seen, okay, I'm talking you've seen it live or you've seen it. Is Dylan ahead of Shadur? Do you believe he is? I don't think he is. I think Shadur is ahead of Dylan right now. Wow. Dylan clearly has some things that he does really well. Obviously his mobility, his ability to get outside the pocket, make plays when he can seek

because he doesn't have to worry about throwing from in the pocket. but the challenge of being a short quarterback, especially in the NFL and NFL passing offenses, is that you have to throw to a spot a lot of times. You have to build that trust and that understanding of looking at the structure of the defense, knowing where the ball needs to go, and then having some blind faith that when you throw it to that spot, your guy's going to be there.

And that takes a lot more time than if you are being able to see the guy actually coming open, you're able to see the windows. And so far, Chatur has, I think, in my opinion, outplayed Dylan at this point in training camp because Dylan's had some struggles with accuracy. and Chedur, although it's not been great with the procedural side of things when he's up there under the center and he's trying to make calls and adjustments at the line of scrimmage. He's getting everybody lined up, the snap count.

When the ball gets snapped, he's been pretty accurate and pretty impressive with some of the big-time plays that he's made. And I think that's why a lot of Browns fans are really excited to see him on Friday, as he's going to be the starter against the Panthers in their preseason game because he's a gamer, right? And so gamers, they rise to that occasion. and we expect to see some great plays out of him on Friday, some of those wild moments that he's become known for.

So that's really interesting, Joe. So, because I can only go on clips, but when I watch Dylan Gabriel, there are times he gets lost behind the offensive line. I can't see him. I mean, literally, and this is not a knock on the kid. This was my big question coming into it. I want my ideal quarterback size.

Josh Allen's an outlier. Most guys aren't that big. It's like Justin Herbert, 6-5, sturdy. I just think it matters. So, listen, I didn't like the speeding tickets. I didn't like legendary. I didn't like that stuff. But by and large, it seems like Shadour is pretty likable.

I mean, the vibe body language, I mean, to me, he's like a nice kid. His judgment can be, the speeding tickets, you know, bother me as somebody. I don't even like when guys put their hat on back. So speeding tickets really bother me. How is he, what's the vibe around like him? What is he like? Oh, boy, Joe, that is trouble. So what is his vibe at practice?

It's been great. And I think anybody that's been his teammate at Colorado or before that, and now with the Cleveland Browns will say that he's doing the right things when he's out there. He's incredible in meetings. He shows up early. He stays late. He's watching the film. He's being diligent with his note-taking.

And so I think Shadurr Sanders, the player, the leader inside that locker room has been awesome. To your point, like, he's gained some attention. One, he's a huge star. So anything you do off the field, he's got to start to understand. He's going to have extra eyeballs on him, extra scrutiny. And so some of the speeding tickets and those other things, like all it does is just bring bad attention to you

and you don't need any of those distractions as you're trying to win this starting quarterback job. But as far as when he's been in the building, the guys are really loving him here in Cleveland. So I said this about Aaron Rogers. I said there are certain things that are true. I said when you're an older quarterback and you've got a Super Bowl and you've got your money like Aaron Rogers,

there are things you're not willing to do that you were at 31, and that is get hit a lot. And if you don't trust your old line, Aaron's not going to sit back there and take one in the teeth. Like it's not going to happen. So with the Jets, a lot of short passes. He didn't, and I don't blame him. Eli Manning didn't want to get hit at the end.

Brady was practicing falling. Like, I get it. This is why I've never bought Pittsburgh for Aaron. They have struggled for six years with the O line. PFF has the Jets O line better than Pittsburgh's last year and going into this year. And Aaron didn't trust the Jets O line. So I want you to talk about that. Older quarterbacks, and you played with a lot of them.

Did you notice that the younger quarterback will sit at, in there or maybe he can escape but older quarterbacks do see the world differently after they've been in this league eight to ten years yeah young quarterbacks they don't know any better right there their youth is their ignorance and it serves them well because they're willing to stand in there and they're willing to take those hits right in the chops and at first it might not hurt too much because you see the success that it brings when you are able to hang on just a other half a second longer you're delivering the football down the field and you're throwing the touchdown pass but as you become an older player, you know, your body just can't handle those hits.

And so you do try to get the ball out quicker. You try to speed up that process in your mind. But the challenge is, how do I speed up that process without speeding up my footwork too far, where now I'm out of rhythm? I'm taking footwork and I'm stepping up into these throws, and the receivers are not out of their brakes yet. And so you want to make sure that your timing of your drop and the routes are still in combination. But you also do need to at certain times be able to hang in in there

and wait for that receiver to get to that next window so you can deliver the football and you got to just accept, hey, I'm going to get hit on this one, but the team needs me right here. And I think that remains to be seen a little bit with Aaron Rogers because he's never been a guy that loved being hit. I mean, he's never been a huge guy,

but he's always had great feat. He's always been able to extend the play, get out of the pocket with his athleticism. And we really didn't see that with the Jets. And so far, coming out of the Steelers training camp, there's been some conversation about him not really showing great mobility, not showing an ability to escape the pocket, escape the rush.

And that comes into question then about how much is he willing to be able to just stand in there and extend the play if he can't do it with his feet anymore and he's not willing to take the hits in the pocket. All right, we're going to circle back to Cleveland. My prediction was, Flacco is the starter. I said this before camp. They're going to move off picket at some point to get a draft pick next year, maybe a six or seventh rounder. and the young guys will both be on the roster as backups. That's my take.

And they're going to get both the young guys are going to get reps in preseason. Now, Dylan Gabriel's banged up so Shadur could take the lead with a good one Friday. So I'm going Flacco, Shadour, and Dylan. That's my order. And Pickett will be moved. Somebody will lose a quarterback. He's a capable backup. And we still have Deshawn Watson, but that's, you know, he's not going to play.

If you had to guess an order with three or four quarterbacks in Cleveland, What is it? I think you're on to something right there. I'm not sure that Kenny Pickett, I'm going to take it to Vegas, that he's getting traded. But it certainly makes sense, right? He's a guy that's got experience. He's a first-round draft choice. Clearly, this league relies on great quarterback play.

And if you don't work out in one spot, if you still got that talent, you're going to at least get one or two more chances. So I can see him being traded. And I'm definitely thinking that Shadur, when the season comes, is going to be that number two guy because depending on how the season shakes out, there's going to be a point in the middle possibly where they're saying, all right, Flacco's done a good job, but we're not scoring enough points and we want to get an opportunity to look at one of these younger guys. And I think at that point, you're going to say, hey, we want to have reps with Shudur, we want to see him.

Can he be that playmaker? Can he be that gamer that he was in college, that we saw in preseason maybe? Because they got to figure out going in the next season with their two first round draft choices if that's going to be a quarterback or do we have the quarterback to spot figured out and we got that solved and we can use that on weapons around him so that's a very important question that's outstanding still that they need to answer at some point this season well great stuff from joe thomas the hall of famer ten-time pro bowler a top five or six left tackle i've ever seen play it is great seeing you we appreciate the insight your feet on the ground there and i appreciate it bud yeah thanks for having me on colin you bet that's really interesting so you know we asked him you've seen them both

play and he said he likes Shadour over Dylan Gabriel and I said before the draft Dylan looks small and the clips and I watch every Brown's clip every Brown's clip I get there are times I lose Dylan I can't see him I'm not blaming the kid but Dylan also played at

Oregon Oregon's got NFL guys everywhere so that that's an advantage right you can throw a lot of either way balls in Oregon and their touchdowns Colorado on a battle line no run game and Shadour had to throw on the run a lot. He had to throw a beat fast, a lot. And so

I think over time that size matters. I think what happens is a guy like a guy like Russell Wilson comes into the league and has success at 5-11, six foot, and everybody's like, you know, a little guy, and everybody gets, oh, let's draft Johnny Mansell. And the best little quarterback

I saw when I was a kid growing up was Fran Tarkinson, played at Georgia and the Vikings. Most quarterbacks were like 6'4. They were big guys they're big guys uh and and and and and and johnny man dale didn't work and russell did but i mean tua has come out and said a lot of times i can't see uh the brock pretty interviews like 40 percent of the time i'm throwing i'm just trusting a receiver that that's the reality of being and brock is six foot six foot one so i i think should doer is taller i've also seen multiple pieces of video when should doer has his helmet off this is kind of weird but when he has his helmet would offer he's in street clothes and i've seen him standing around people and he's a big kid i'm i'm

six one and a half and and i've seen him standing next to coaches that i know are six feet he's clearly bigger than that he's bigger than me's taller than me and i'm and and so um it i think that stuff matters i think over the course of reps and practice and you get of a clear line of sight i think it matter. So Joe Thomas said, Flacco and Shadour. That's what I think. Kenny Pickett's not the A. You want to, if you're drafting two quarterbacks, you want to see if they can play. What's the point? Deshaun's not going to play. Flacko is. We know what Kenny Pickett is. You don't know. You don't know what Dylan Gabriel is or Shador in a real game. I want to see it. I drafted him. I want to see it.

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The best Cleveland has. Browns play Friday against Carolina and because of multiple injuries and they don't need to see Joe Flacco. play should doer will get the nod i can't wait to watch it uh friday against carolina jac with a news no no no turn on the news this is the herd line news we're going to start this hour with a small team from the midwest known as the kansas city chiefs uh they've had a pretty decent run during this near dynastic stretch here colin patrick mohomes told usa today there's stuff we've got to get better at, especially myself. There's plays on the football field that I didn't make last year that I've made in previous

years. At the end of the day, I'm going to do whatever it takes to win, whether that's passing for a lot of yards, not passing for a lot of yards. But I think if I play better, that's going to make it better for the team. Well said by a great leader, obviously his receivers stunk last year, and they should be much, much improved this year. I'm going to eat some crow when this team makes the playoffs, aren't I? No, the division's tough.

You know, it's funny. I said this earlier. The minute Brady retired, everybody was just ready to say Mahomes is the best. A, Brady played him in the Super Bowl, blew him out. Brady played him in the AFC playoff game, in Arrowhead, beat him. But, you know, it shouldn't be lost on anybody that Mahomes has been blown out twice in Super Bowls. Brady loses every Superboy lost. David Tyree catch, Mario Manningham catch, the Philly special.

One of the great things about Brady, he just doesn't get blown out ever in those Super Bowls. He wins or he loses close. And there's a variation. There's a variable with Mahomes. And just before we, you know, and I'm not just saying this because Brady's at Fox, but I know we're ready with Mahom's success to just annoy him king. Just remember, Brady on the way out had the last word. Way out of his prime.

Way, way out of his prime. Is this your way of saying Mahomes is coming off a really bad year where he was not a top four quarterback in the league? Pretty true. I mean, it's pretty true. I know certain Chiefs fans at this network are losing their mind hearing that, but I'm sorry, it's just the facts. And Brady didn't have one of the great offensive coaches in league history.

Well, Josh McDaniels, right? He was phenomenal as a head coach in debt. Oh, no, he was terrible and fired almost instantly. Okay. Let's move on to the Rams, Colin. Devante Adams was on the Pivot podcast and talked about the most interesting first-round pick from this year's draft. Jacksonville's Travis Hunter. I'm not even concerned so much if he can do it over the course of a game or a season. It's more like how long is his career going to be if he's playing that many snaps. You got to put up, I want to see him on offense.

You know, in the 70s, maybe you put him at corner first, but today I need 12 targets, 10 catches. And I'd, I would, I would have him returning kicks. I would have him doing as much as I could guarantee if he gets four kickoffs, he gets 12 target. I want the ball in his hands. You can be a great corner. So was Sauce Gardner and Patrick Shurtan before Sean Payton. Doesn't mean you're a playoff team. you can win games much more easily on the offensive side than the defensive side.

I can't wait to watch him. This is really interesting. There's a huge disconnect between fans and players on this Travis Hunter thing. Because I remember I hosted and had a player in here, and he was like, no way can Travis Hunter play both ways. Now you got Devante Adams saying, yeah, that's not going to work. Other players have come out and said, yeah, this is not a good idea. Meanwhile, fans are like, he can do it. Why not?

Like, they just don't understand, Colin, that this is going to be literally mission impossible for Travis Hunter to tackle and defend and then quick turnaround and now you're running routes and catching, like you said, what, 10, 10 balls on 12 targets? You can't do it and be successful for a full season or career. I'll tell you what, it's easier to do that than pitch at an all-star level and be an all-star power hitter like Shohei Otani. That is there- Wait, wait, which is easier? The football part. I'd rather say, hey, how about this? Can you throw at a major league level and get major league baseball hitters out?

Or can you make a tackle on a running back? What is with that look, a tackle on a running back? Colin, have you seen these guys? What Shohay Otani is doing doesn't even make sense that he's literally an all-star pitcher, all-star base dealer, all-star power hitter, all-star average hitter. You're saying that Travis Hunter couldn't return punts, be a receiver, and occasionally you'd put him in on pass coverage. Wait, he hasn't done it yet in the pros.

Let's see if he can. I don't think he could do it. I think it's way more taxing on your body than Otani. Where you bat three or four times a game, right? What's so hard about that? The pitching is every, what, three or four days? Colin, I think if Travis Hunter pulled it off, that's way tougher than what Otani's doing at a high level.

Like, he could do it and get caught. cooked and be a terrible quarterback, but to do it at a high level, I think Travis Hunter will be a lot. Baseball is more skilled than football. Pitching. It's an art form. Hitting at the major league level. You have to be in the batting cage for a decade before you ever get into a major league cage.

Antonio Gates made the Hall of Fame. He didn't play college football. He was just a tight end. He wasn't playing both ways. You know what else is an art form? Tackling Derek Henry. Okay. Go look that.

Go look up that art form. But there's one Derek Henry. Oh, and there's one Christian McCaffrey, and there's one Sequin Barclay, and there's one James Cook. Come on. Tackling these guys? Colin, I think you're way. We need to get somebody from Jacksonville on the show next week if possible. All right, next up, Colin, final story.

The Colts just announced that Anthony Richardson will get the first crack at the starting job. He will start Indies first preseason game this weekend. Daniel Jones, aka Danny Dimes, is the backup. and buried here in the notes. Third string, are you ready for it? Riley Leonard, your favorite former Duke Notre Dame quarterback, breathing down the neck of Vanilla Vic, aka Daniel Dimes. What are they saying about Riley Leonard's camp?

They're not saying anything because he's a non-factor. It's all about Anthony Richardson versus Daniel Jones. If anything on Riley Leonard, they're still talking about that drive that he had to open the championship. Remember a couple years ago When people made fun of me on Joe Milton Remember that? That was a big joke He was in New England, the backup And I said, right, right, right, right.

I said, you guys, watch. The kid's got a cannon, great kid, can work. If you heard the Joe Milton stories, very interesting. Go look up Joe Milton. Yeah, hold on. I mean, maybe I'm late to the game. Joe Milton NFL stats.

He played in one game, was 22, 29. Excuse me, I couldn't hear you. 22 of 29. What is he, Joe Montana? Well, it's like a week 18 game, bro. What, what am I missing? 22 of 29.

I don't care if it's week 30. He's throwing against UPS drivers in December in a meaningless game that the Patriots are running a word. Go look at where Joe Milton is currently at, by the way. Joe Milton is currently on the Dallas Cowboys. Interesting. One NFL start. 11 passers.

You just go ahead and laugh at my Riley. I'm not laughing. I know they took advantage of Jerry Jones who loves to overpay for guys. Like the wide receiver they got from Carolina. I forget his name. They're like, I got third round pick. Bring him on down. Now they got Joe Milton.

I will die on this hill. Joe Milton deserves a shot to be the guy in this league. On some team, could be a terrible team. He deserves a shot. There is something there with that kid. Are you his agent? And I like don't know. No, I'm just saying.

I'm not saying. I'm just saying, I watch 60 quarterbacks play a year in this league annually. 60. Joe Milton's had one NFL start. His passer rating was 111. Oh! Okay, Joe Milton or Zach Wilson? Who would you start?

Joe Milton? Yes. All I got was a bunch of eye rolls on the interweb. Okay, Joe Milton or Hendon Hooker? Joe Milton. You just like it that he's like 6-6 and chiseled and has a big arm. I like that he's a great athlete. Coachable with a rocket arm.

That's what I like. Called traits. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. It was in New England. He played in a preseason game.

I'm like, I don't know. I mean, that looks like a guy that could play in this league. I got a lot of pushback. Uncle Colin does not forget those slights on quarterbacks. Coming up next, a quarterback that I'd like to see work, I don't think he's going to work, but he would have a much greater chance to have been great, but he keeps getting nothing but the wrong landing spot. And I'll tell you who that quarterback is.

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In Portland, Sunday, three-eastern only. on Fox. So, you know, the, from time to time, if you're a sportscaster, somebody will come up and say, oh, my son or my daughter want to be a sportscaster, any advice. And my advice is always like, go to YouTube. I didn't have YouTube. The distribution models that kids have now are amazing. I mean, I used to have to send out a little cassette tape to country western stations so I could maybe do a weekend shift. Merle Haggard songs. next on 96.5, The Frog. I mean, that's the way the world was. Now, just go on Instagram, go on YouTube. There's no excuse. Somebody will find you. And that's the way I kind of feel

with quarterback. Like, I'll give you an example. Justin Fields is a really nice kid. And I think he does have talent. But he doesn't have like Andrew Luck, Jaden Daniels talent where he can overcome the wrong coach or the wrong system. Andrew Luck goes 11 and 5 as a rookie. roster was awful jaden daniels last year goes 12 and 5 roster was mostly bad those are the first two guys since john elway in my opinion that can just overcome anything right out of the gate in the nfl first year did not have things going necessarily all their way and i would admit that justin fields has not had the best set of circumstances three teams multiple defensive coaches i think he'd be better if he got Sean McVey or Andy Reed.

But here's the reason why I don't necessarily buy him. Is that if he was truly special, McVeigh would call him up to back up Stafford because they're going to go draft a quarterback or Andy Reed would call him. Or

Shanahan would want him. Is that the reality you will always find a way. I use Josh Allen all the time. Josh Allen, you know, high school, high school in the middle of nowhere in California. He didn't get any college offers.

He goes to Wyoming. He gets blown out every time they face teams like Oregon and Iowa. I watch those. Blown out. Blown out. High school, nobody saw him play. Zero star. College, almost nobody saw him play.

Wyoming was bad. And everybody in the league was flying to Wyoming. Smart offensive coaches will identify you eventually. That's why Baker, I may have had issues with Baker Mayfield, but I always said he's a top 20 quarterback talent on the planet. Eventually, McVeigh's like, get out here. Eventually, Liam Cohen is, I like that guy. Sam Darnold.

Kyle Shanahan's like, get me, I don't care what happened in Carolina and the Jets. Offensive coach, get me. Then Kevin O'Connell, offensive coach, get me Sam Darnold. And they wanted to resign him. Defensive coaches don't have the ability to figure out O lines and quarterbacks. They just don't. I mean, I've said it. I think Pete Carroll likes Gino Smith much more than the offensive coaches in the league doing.

Geno's fine. But one of the reasons that I question Justin Fields, we got enough Ohio State stuff, we got enough NFL tape. Where are the offensive coaches going? Just get them in the building over here. It'll work. I mean, Donald's career was a mess. I mean, Caroline and the Jets was, I'm seeing ghosts.

Shanahan reportedly McVeval. liked him. Kevin O'Connell like, the smart offensive guys are like, I like that guy. You go look at Patrick Mahomes. When Patrick Mahomes, he had a losing college record, losing record. He was why. I saw him play like once in college. He was wild. But who liked him? Andy Reed, John Gruden, Sean Pay. It was the offensive coaches that were like, get me that college kid with a losing record in an average college conference. So it's not that I don't think Justin Fields has talent. He does. Good kid has to, I don't think he sees the field very well.

I've said that's about Zach Wilson. Some guys just don't see the field. Some guys like Mahomes sees the field. Mahomes can see something and let go with a ball within a half second. Jaden Daniels has that. Like cognitively, athletically, it's weird, how good it is. I just don't see that with Justin or Zach Wilson. But one of the reasons, like Samuel L. Jackson bounced around Hollywood forever.

then he becomes a superstar. Eventually, you'll have a Quentin Tarantino. You will find somebody that goes, that guy is good. If you never make it in Hollywood, it wasn't meant to be. Somebody will find you. Eventually, somebody's going to find you.

And my question with Justin Fields, one of these offensive coaches, he keeps going to defensive coach, Jets, defensive coach, Aaron Glenn, defensive coach, they don't have the feel of offensive coaches. So it's just, it's not like I don't like him. It's just, is there, is there people lined up? Like, you can say whatever you want about

Kirk Cousins. Shanahan likes him. Kevin O'Connell likes him. You know, like, like there are, Rahim Morris was Sean McVeigh's best friend. Rahim Morris goes to Atlanta. They go get and make a bid and get Kirk Cousins. Some of that's McVeigh. And McVeigh probably likes him. So whether you like him or not, a lot of offensive coaches like Kirk Cousins. They do. Um, speak in a great quarterbacks. Josh out, Hard Knocks, Buffalo Bills, finally like an interesting team in Hard Knocks. They don't have any controversy, so I don't know how interesting it is, but here was a little sample of Josh Allen on Hard Knocks. Being mentioned for MVP means your team is doing really well, probably in the hunt for the

playoffs, and you're doing your job. It doesn't change my life. To have that accolade or not I have more of those accolades, the only thing that I'm willing to do. worried about is doing everything I can to bring a Lombardi trophy here. I contend that the highest rated Super Bowl of all time would be the Buffalo Bills and the Detroit Lions. So kind of in a way rooting for that, the longstanding losing Detroit Lions and the bills who have actually had a lot of great teams that can't win. I find right now the easiest team in the league to root for is the Buffalo Bills. Again, if they had two Super Bowls with Jim Kelly, I wouldn't feel this way.

But it's like my wife used to have to work. She was in corporate America. And she always said the nicest people she'd ever met were in Buffalo. She's like, it's an underrated place to live. It's the nicest people in the world. And you don't have a heart or a soul. If you're not rooting for Buffalo to win a Super Bowl, you have to. Like, here's the thing.

Detroit is easy to root against. They've been incompetent, right? It's not like they've gotten bad breaks. No, Buffalo's been really competent. Sean McDermott. Jim Kelly. I mean, great players. Marve Levy, they've had good coaches. They've had great quarterbacks. They've had good GMs. They've had great teams. They just ran into the Cowboy Dynasty. They ran into great teams. So if you look at all of sports in North America, there are two teams, and I don't know a lot about hockey, but it does feel like the Toronto Maple Leafs, it's about time they won a Stanley Cup. You know, like they've had enough quality. That's a big set.

You can't get a ticket to a game in Toronto. It's about time they won. And it's ironic that Toronto, it's a little drive over to Buffalo. But I feel that the Bill's Lions have the highest scoring game in the league last year at 90 points. If I'm rooting for a Super Bowl, and I don't really, I'm rooting for good games, lions who I think take a step back and Buffalo Bills. And I said this. I was seen as sort of a Brady Homer.

I am kind of fatigued with the LeBron James story. It's nothing against LeBron, but like, I'm a little fatigued with it. I mean, I know he's a big story, but I'm a fiddle. I got a little fatigued. Like, Brady to Tampa to me was fascinating. Oh, it was a new story. I was kind of over grumpy Belichick. You know, Tom had to watch what he said.

You know, Edelman's getting over. It's an efficient offense. It's not that much fun to watch. Like, Buffalo is a great watch. And they're a great watch because of one guy. It's not the schemes of McDermott. They're a great team to watch with Buffalo. But I do think since 2018, the resume cannot be denied.

Josh Allen has more touchdowns than even Patrick Mahomes. So I think you have to be careful about reducing people down. Like I've said this before about Charles Barclay. Barclay's one of the rare NBA players I've ever seen. He was great in transition. He was great in the low block. And he was great shooting the jumper. Like Michael Jordan, not much of a three-point shooter.

Michael was great in transition, and it could be really good, but he wasn't really a low-block performer. Michael was a mid-range assassin, the greatest mid-range player of all time. And he could finish at the rim, but he didn't put him on the low block a lot when it was kind of a center league. Barclay could go low with that sizable butt. He was great in transition. He could shoot threes, and he didn't want a title. Now, Barclay didn't have the best practice habits, but Charles is an all-timer.

Charles is an all-timer. Dan Marino's an all-timer. Prettuce is throw over the football. Not every great guy. If Derek Jeter goes to the Kansas City Royals, he probably does not win a World Series. So, you know, the landing thing, I will say this to Buffalo's credit.

And I think they deserve credit for this. It's not a wealthy town, although all the owners are wealthy. They've gone out to build a new stadium. And part of the stadium build, you're seeing it in hard knocks is to cut down the wind. And now, Josh Allen's got a very strong arm. But that is really an underrated move by the Buffalo Bills.

They're like, listen, we have the first or best quarterback on the planet, and he's got about six more years of prime football. Let's try to have him throwing in blizzards less frequently. It's not a little thing. They went to the science, and they're like, listen, when you have Josh Allen, the only way he can be neutralized, it's not Steve Spagnola. It's not Bill Belichick. He owned Belichick.

Go look at Josh Allen against Belichick. He owned him. The only thing that neutralizes the all-time great quarterbacks is bad weather. That's it. And so Buffalo, to their credit, said, we've got to make it easier. We don't want to go into a game against an inferior quarterback. on a team of the good pass rush and Josh can't remember a few years

how many years ago was it when there was a nor'eastern was it in Buffalo or Foxborough it was Mac Jones against Josh Allen I don't even know where the game was it was it may have been in Foxborough it was horrible weather and it was like a good game between I think it was Mac Jones and Josh Allen I swear my memory hasn't

hasn't faded and it was like bad weather hurts the superstar quarterback and Buffalo's like like, yeah, we're going to fix the weather thing. Credit to them. And credit to Josh Allen, who I do think is more talented than Patrick Mahomes, but Mahomes inherited Andy Reid, and that's just the difference. That's the difference.

It's Bo Nick, Sean Payton. That's the difference. So, Jay Mack. Can I push back on something? Sure. So you said the best Super Bowl would be Bill's Lions, or the highest rated, the most interesting. what if I said

Bill's Niners? You get two coasts, you get Kyle Shanahan looking to exercise demons, you've got the dead last pick in the draft, Brock Purdy against Josh Allen. I think Niners' bills would be an unbelievable contrasting styles

in quarterbacks and coaches, offensive coach versus defensive coach, in the Super Bowl. The Niners are the Yankees of the West Coast. They have a huge following. So the Niners will always get a good TV rating. But Brock Purdy is not dynamic. Oh, stop this.

I think the Lions are a little bit like the Cubs. Remember the Cubs Indians World Series? The lovable losers? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, that's the Lions to me. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

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