The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Jets first practice

Episode Date: July 21, 2023

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This is The Herd, wherever you may be in, however you may be listening to this show. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie. In for Colin Cowherd. The herd comes to you live from Los Angeles. We got an excellent hour for you, including Shohei Otani. No, he's not going to join us. That would be really, really cool.

Apparently, Shohei Otani, sneaky good Spanish. Did you guys hear this? Right? And in the all-time great gigs, a little bit of pressure in the gig, but all-time great gigs, Shohei Otani's interpreter, that's got to be a really good gig. Right? Because you don't have, you're not like security, so you don't have to worry about, like, you know, head on a swivel.

You just simply have to make sure that when the question is asked, you ask it to show hey and then whatever he response is in English you just got to make sure you clean it up so that he doesn't you don't say anything that would in any way make him look bad that like that's it that's the job but otherwise you're like you're hanging out with you're in Southern

California you're in the in the dugout you're around you're watching one of the greatest athletes we've ever seen play a sport and you just get to be kind of like his turtle like that's amazing it's a good gig maybe that's a best for last oh we have another best for last that's pretty good

Okay. Most of you guys know that these teams are reporting to camp. Chiefs in camp first because they won the Super Bowl, so they're in the Hall of Fame game. The Jets were in camp yesterday. Aaron Rogers wearing a Jets. Helmet, Jets, Jersey, being a jet. It's weird.

I mean, the idea that he was so the anti-FARV for so long, and now he's following the pattern of Fav and like it actually goes further if you think about it. How about this? So Eric Mangini was Farv's coached with the Jets, right? And Eric Mangini, of course you hear on the herd, you see on Fox Sports, Eric Van Gini was a product of the New England Patriots.

He's their former defensive coordinator. And he was in, they had built up a good roster and all they needed was a quarterback. Robert Sala comes over from the Niners, right? obviously not as revered in terms of they haven't achieved the ultimate success with Shanahan winning a Super Bowl, but like look around the league, everybody wants a Shanahan assistant. And here he is. This is what, year three and needs a quarterback to kind of solidify himself.

He's a defensive guy. Like there's a lot of, and then you have Aaron Rogers. Would he retire? Would he come back? Would he retire? Come back. And then he ends up with the Jets. Like, it's weird.

There's no, the parallels are fairly obvious. So this was Aaron Rogers talking about how different he is in terms of his levels of patience. I think it's always important to have patients in shorts and helmets, have patients the first few days of camp. Sometimes the patients can wear thin if it's repeat mistakes. But maybe earlier in my career, I was a little more easily angered. And I feel like I'm a little less triggered as I've gotten older. Listen, I think that's totally fair way of sharing how you're evolving as a person, right?

Like, that's a dude who's like, you know, I was kind of a jerk only usually we use a word that starts with the D. And, right? That I was, that was, and I'm better now. But you're still demanding, but you have more patience. On the other hand, it's really important to mention this. Look, everybody has patience in August, in July. Like, it's July. Show me your level of patience when we get to December.

And he even said that. It's like, well, a little different. We start making the same mistakes. You know? I was at a college campus last week and they're like, we like our chemistry a lot better. Like, yeah, but if I would have come here in July of last year, wouldn't you have said the same thing about the previous team?

Like, that's true. Everybody loves their chemistry. Everybody loves their offseason. Everybody loves their, there's nobody who's like, man, we really screwed up this off season. Like, it's your first day there. It's like, it's going to be a long year. It'll be long year.

Aaron Rogers, though, I thought this was really interesting. Alan Lazard, who of course played with him with the Packers, then went to the Chiefs and now it's part of his team with the Jets. Alan Lazzard said this is the Aaron Rogers' offense. Here's Aaron's response. Listen, I'm not going to say it's my offense. It's one I've had success in, for sure. But back in 2020, it was a conglomeration of what Matt wanted to run,

what Hackett run in the past and what I had run in the past that we just kind of fit together. And this is kind of an offshoot of that with maybe a little bit more West Coast flavor to it. But this is really Hackett's offense that I've been able to collaborate on him, yeah, with him on. And I love it. But there is a lot of teaching for sure. Okay. Okay. So this is interesting here.

Okay. And I, again, I think Aaron is given really, really, really clear and honest responses. He's like, look, in 2020, right? Right? That was the COVID year when they lost the Tampa Buccaneers. That was a combination of what I've always known, he's a West Coast guy, would hack it his philosophies, and Matt LaFleur. And what's crazy about it is Aaron Rogers won the MVP in Matt LaFleur's offense. And one of the reasons they brought in Matt LaFleur was because whatever West Coast stuff Aaron had always done,

which always felt like, like there's two things that I think we've all experienced, right? Every Seahawks game felt like Russell Wilson running around trying to make a play in the fourth quarter, like every game ended the same. And every Packers game was like Aaron Rogers in the shotgun also kind of playing backyard football in the second half of games. Is that fair?

Like that's kind of your memory? And that had grown stale, so they brought in Matt LaFleur. I guess my question, and this is a legit question is, we're looking back on Aaron Rogers in the West Coast offense and his level of comfort with it not realizing like the reason they went away from that and to the Shanahan Matlafleur style

was because the Shanahan Matla floor style is better. You may not like it as much. You may not have done as much. You may not feel as comfortable but it actually works really, really, really well. And here's the other thing. I think Aaron's going to have a good year because he's one of those guys that

he needs somebody to believe that he has to prove that he's better than he was. He won two MVPs because they drafted Jordan Love. They drafted Jordan Love because he wasn't that good. He did look like he was getting older. And Jordan Love was a project.

And the Packers are never going to be drafting in the top 10. So they had a chance to move up, take a guy who was kind of risky, future play. and that's what they did. But the reality was he wasn't that good that year, and then he bounced back in probably at least some part because Jordan Love made him think, oh, they don't think I'm any good.

FU, I'm going to show you. So I do think he's got, he's still got that FU fastball that he can, you know, throw and have late movement, and he's going to have a good year. But he's not Aaron Rogers of 2015. We shouldn't expect that of him. And the thing about Aaron Rogers is he had superpowers and he's still really, really good.

Right. He still clearly has his fastball. But it's like Clayton Kershaw. Like, dude, you get down late in the year and suddenly now in the playoffs, they hit you and they didn't hit you in the regular season. It's not the older you get, it's not that you can't do it. It's that you can't do it as consistently at the level that you used to be able to do it, right? it's the you know that Toby Keith song

sorry you guys are like what Toby Keith song it's a Toby Keith song I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was right you know like when Shaq was with the heat and they won the NBA title

Shaq wasn't dominant one game in the NBA finals he completely dominated the earth back when he was with Kobe he could dominate most of the games I'm not saying Aaron Rogers can't still play he can still play he's going to be definitely accurate but part of what made him special was he could run for a first down he could avoid a guy he had that unique athleticism unbelievable zip arm strength accuracy i've said on this show that if you wrote you wrote down okay like the the the things you'd have to check in boxes for all-time great quarterbacks right um and i and i and i know colin's perspective on it and i

appreciate it because the world has kind of come around to the he's he's just not a good he's just not good he's just not good from behind like when things are going good he's a great frontrunner that's fair okay i think some of it is out of his control some of it he's done well and you know some of those numbers his defenses let him down and Aaron Rogers doesn't turn the ball over for the most part and no nothing there's no stat that it is a bigger determinant into winning and losing than turnovers and Aaron roger doesn't turn it over but you got to have Accuracy, check. Arm strength, check. Athleticism, check. Is he intelligent? Check. Football intelligence, check. Toughness. Hell yeah, dude. He played an NFC championship game with a torn calf muscle that they lost because they were conservative and I don't know what deal with the devil that Russell Wilson made, but somehow they figured it out. Like, he's everything. But all of those things lessened just slightly when you're 39 years old. And he'll turn 40. on December 2nd.

Father time and the 72 dolphins and one other thing are undefeated. So I guess my takeaway is I get it, I understand. Like we used to do a confluence of it. This is the offense I'm most comfortable in. Hackett knows that I'm comfortable in. We're working

together well. He's super excited. He's going to have a good year. But all of those times from, you know, 2011 when he was the MVP, 2014 when he was the MVP, even to 2000, you know, up until when they ran Matt LaFleur's offense. He was in his late 20s and early 30s.

He's not that guy anymore. And so Aaron Rogers putting on the cape and being superhero and running back there playing backyard football and slinging around. Like, I don't think that's the recipe for success that LaFleur's office. was because it took the pressure off him.

You can run the football. You can chill. And then, you know, if you have it in you, late in the game, make a play here or there. That's the design behind it. All right. Coming up next. Oh, excuse me, at the end of your first year, Discover credit cards, automatically doubles all the cashback you've earned. That's right.

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Doug Allie. I'm like for Collins to heard Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app. We got Ryan Music with the news upcoming. But, um, look, baseball season's interesting, you know. This sport and, and, you know, it's, it's, there will definitely be, we'll have this conversation with J.P. Morosi. John Paul Morose is going to join us in a moment. Like, do people understand the dramatic change in the sport of baseball? I don't, I actually don't think they do. All they're, all they're looking at is,

hey, game times are shorter. Game times are shorter. I would think that if you've polled fans, 98 to 99% would say, if you say, hey, what are the rules changes in baseball done? They go, game times are shorter. The reality is

athleticism is very much back being part of the sport, right? You've got to be able to field your position. You've got to be able to move. You just can't hide dudes anymore. And, and I, I, I do think putting the ball in play as a hitter is back. It's much more important than just hitting home runs or walking. But when you get on the base pass, being able to steal bases,

the bases themselves are bigger. I remember thinking when they were talking about the rules, like how much difference can increasing the size of a base really change things? Turns out a lot. And what will happen inherently is what happened in the NBA. and what happened in the NFL. Like, what do you mean? Rules changes, changes your approach,

changes your roster, changes the value of certain positions. Like, what's lost in the running back discussion, oh, running backs are so underpaid is, like, yeah, but it's because the rules changes have been everything outside the tackles and protecting the quarterback. You can't protect the running backs,

so they still get beaten up. They're less valuable. You're way better off throwing the ball on third down, third down is the most important down. It's no longer hand the ball you're running back. Right? I mean, think about it. We all watch NFL games.

It gets the third down. If your team lines up and goes, you know, brings in all the big, big nasties, and lines up and tries to just run the ball and run over people, you're going like, oh my God, that was your play call? Whereas you put dudes in motion, you run a little oop-de-oop, and you throw a little slant route,

that's how you get a third down, isn't it? Rule changes, change things. in the NBA, you remember power forwards? They no longer exist. Traditional centers because of analytics, they no longer exist. You've got to be able to shoot the three and defend on a ball screen. That's it. Patrick Ewing's game would not fit in 2023.

Are we on in New York? It doesn't really matter. Like wherever we're on, like you're sitting there, somebody spit out their coffer like, Pat Ewing, he was awesome. He was awesome. Show me a guy who plays like Pat Ewing. in the NBA. They don't exist. That's going to happen in baseball.

I don't know what, who gets screwed the most because their style of playing the sport, their position is no longer of value, but it's going to happen because that's what happened with rule changes. You know, they change the hand-checking

rule. People start to understand that, you know, that, where you're, like, look, NBA centers are a lot like running backs. The reason that you can't score in the post and that it's a low the analytics tell you it's point seven seven seven PPP is because they haven't changed how they officiate in the low post it's hand-to-hand combat so get away from the basket where they can't touch you and

you can shoot the ball free and clear and oh yeah by the way if you shoot it from far enough you actually get an additional point baseball has changed dramatically dramatically and I think eventually it's going to affect certain position players, certain styles of the sport. Let's bring in John Marosi, of course, MLB insider reporter for the MLB Network. You see him on Fox's coverage as well, and he joins us here in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. John, baseball is your life. You do an amazing job of just absorbing it and covering it. How different is the sport this year from last year? Well, Doug, good afternoon. Good morning out in L.A. First of all, thanks for the kind words. I really

appreciated it. Greetings from Cooperstown, by the way. What a great weekend we've got here with Fred McGriff and Scott Rowland going in. But you're right. You're exactly right. The game has changed, and you said the word a couple moments ago. Athleticism. Athleticism is back in the game. And as you were saying, that very eloquent beginning here to the segment, Doug, on where we're at, it is no accident to me that a few of the more surprising teams, specifically the diamond backs, the Orioles, and the Reds are on the younger side of the average age of their position players. And three of the more disappointing teams in the sport right now, Yankees, Padre, Mets are on

the older side. It's striking to me that, and I think you're hitting on it right now, Doug, you can almost separate the sport right now into two categories. Teams that are playing with energy and teams that are not. And the Yankees, for example, are not. I was just with them on Wednesday. In Anaheim, the angels slept them. The Yankees look tired.

And without judge, they just have no rhythm and energy to their offense. Whereas the younger teams, the Reds, the athleticism jumps off the field and it's not just L.A. de la Cruz. Matt McLean's a very athletic player. T.J. Friedel's a very athletic player. You look at Baltimore, all of their youth, my goodness. The bird bath and the excitement. that they've got. It's becoming

again a young person's game, Doug, and it is so refreshing to see the way young players and also young fans are so engaged with the game. It's a very, very fun thing right now. It's an amazing point you bring up, and I

almost like, I'm watching Aaron Boone who, you know, he grew up in Villa Park right down the road from Anaheim Stadium, and I'm watching him struggle with this team. And look, I understand there are inner workings of it and there are things, I'm sure, mistakes that he's made or whatever, but Donaldson got hurt, Aaron Judge is hurt, but the other point to it is,

it feels like the Yankees are constructed for a different era, right? They're constructed for the last, is that, and it doesn't, Jesus Christ could come down and he can't manage the Yankees to be better because it's built for a different era of baseball. Correct. That's very, very well said. I think that when you look at the Yankees and the way they've been built, they don't have a lot of depth. So again, you look at older team without a ton of AAA depth and position players ready to impact the roster outside of Volpe and the guys that are already there. Once you have some injuries hit you, where do you go? And they went with guys like McKinney and Calhoun. Now Calhoun's injured himself. It's not a very durable

athletic team. Baltimore, whenever they beat somebody, they call up one more great athlete. The Reds. Same thing.

They hit a bit of a rough patch. Here comes Christian Encarnacio and Strand from AAA. They can come at you in waves. And baseball is a roster of waves. There are different times of the year where you have to call on unique aspects of your team. And the Yankees right now, to your point,

are heavily indexed toward older sluggers. And older sluggers, at least in the case of the Yankees, have gotten hurt and are not terribly productive. Well, but also don't put the ball in play, right? Don't run the bases and don't cover their position as well. All the things that are way, are way more valued now. By the way, Krishna and Carnassian Strand, Oklahoma State guy. I just want to point that one up. John Paul Morosi.

John Paul Marosi joining us here. Doug Ghalybin for Colin, it's the herd. Okay, what happened to the raise? They start at 29 and 7, and now they are taking on water. Like what happened? The pitching injuries finally caught up with them, Doug. And I think offensively,

maybe they've come back to Earth a little bit as well. They rely so much on a handful of players, obviously a Rosarena, Diaz, Wander Franco, all stars. Low to an extent as well. Rayleigh had a tremendous first half. I just think they have regressed a little bit offensively, and more important than that, Doug, is that their pitching injuries have really caught up with them.

I don't think they are going to win the division unless they make a meaningful deadline move. They have got to get, whether it's Stroman, Gialito, Michael Lorenzen from Detroit, they need somebody to really establish and help shore up their rotation. They've had too many injuries. And I think much like a lot of other teams, when you have a lot of injuries to your rotation, it's really hard to be consistent.

And that's precisely what's happened to them. So they need to make a big move. They've got a very solid minor league system from which to trade. I expect they will make a move. But there is no doubt in my mind right now, Doug, the momentum belongs. to the Baltimore Orioles in the American League East. And if you were to tell me right now that I had to predict who's going to win the division, I would say with about 60% certainty in my mind right now,

based on what I have seen on the field, that the Baltimore Orioles are going to be the first place team when all of a sudden gone to the American League East. Wow. Who would have thought? Of course, they've drafted in high spots for the last like 20 years. They've not been a player. That helps, Doug. That helps.

And that's where they get all that 59 and 37 at this point. time in the year. John Paul Marosi joining us, Fox Sports, MLB Insider, of course, MLB Network, MLB Insider. You mentioned you were at the Big A to check out the Yankees and Angels, angels who were at death's door and they got it. There was, you know, you go back a week ago, is no I trade Otani, maybe a trade Trout too, if somebody will take on Rendon's contract, just start over. They win three in a row. Otani's bat flipping. And, there seems to be a little bit of life there. Where do you think they are in the desire to ultimately trade Otani?

Right now, Doug, I think it's better than 50-50 that he stays. Because they're playing better. It was always going to be and would always be a very high bar for any team to reach to convince the angels to move him. and it becomes harder for the angels to justify moving them if they're still in it. And right now they're on the fringe of being in it. The Yankees' peer point were just swept and they are struggling. If we get to the end of the month, and again, there's only 10 games be played for the Angels between now and the deadline, if we get there and they have passed both the Yankees and Red Sox or at least one of them,

I think it becomes likely that Otani stays. Because Artie Moreno, I really believe, Doug, in the range of outcomes here, he's waiting for this team to show him that they're in it. There are some executives that get to this point of the year, and maybe they've got a desire to start over, and they almost react in a positive way when their team proves to them that they're not contenders because then it allows them to make the trades that they actually want to make. That is not the case here.

I really believe Arde Moreno wants this team to prove that they're still in it. And this past week has gone a good distance toward doing that. They also have a weekend series coming up against the pirates at home. They should win that series. They also have a big situation where they play the Tigers next week in Detroit. They should win that series as well. So if they win those two series, and they should, and then find a way to win that series against Toronto, they're going to be in a good spot.

So I think that it's 60-40 right now, let's say, Doug, that showy Otani remains a member of the Angels as of August 1st. Oh, okay, but they can't not get anything for Shohei Otani, right? They can't get the 50th pick in the draft. I know. I know, Doug. And look, I get, like, I get it. Like, they always draw three million people, but there's a buzz. Like, you walk in that place, and it's alive.

It's electric, and he's delivering, too. Like, that's one of the impressive things is, like, with all this talk of train, oh, it's like, he's on pace to break Aaron Judge's record. Like, he's bawling. But are you really going to let the best player in the sport walk out the door for the 50th pick in the draft? Well, and that's a fair question, Doug.

But let's look at it this way. You've walked this journey with him this far, five and a half years. And now you've actually got the best chance you've probably ever had to make the playoffs, if, again, if they play well for the next 10 days. Are you really going to walk away from that? From the potential to see show a hit home run number 60 in an Angels uniform.

If they're close on August 1st, and they trade them to the Orioles, and he hits number 60 at Camden Yards in the Orioles uniform. So hard. How will that feel for the Angels and their fans? And I'll say this too, Doug. they've already gotten the best deal in the history of baseball to have Otani for as long as they've had them. When the signing bonus was under $5 million because of the rules at the time,

you've already had the best deal ever, as far as I'm concerned. It would be a little disingenuous from my perspective to say, okay, we've had the best deal. Now we've got to make an even better deal. I think you've already had the best deal. If you're close, play the season out. If you only go five and five over the next ten games,

you're right at 500, okay, I get it. Make what would be, by the way, the biggest trade in sports in my estimation since Gretzky became an L.A. King. That's what we're talking about right now with Shirley O'Donnie. Man, that's going to be interesting. They're saying they wouldn't trade with the Dodgers.

That's because, and you tell me, like, you're the insider. The working rumor in Southern California is $600 million is the number and it's already done with the Dodgers. Is that the working, is that what you hear? Well, it's not already done. No, I think that there's a belief that the Dodgers have the inside track. But beyond that, I think it's all conjecture. And I don't think there's been anything that's already been discussed in that realm.

And for that matter, Doug, I don't buy it that the angels would just outright refuse to deal with the Dodgers. If the Dodgers made the best offer, make the trade. Yeah, of course. I think that... You can't bite off your hand to spite your face. Yeah, exactly. Now, you may charge him a little Dodger tax, like, hey, is that? Don't throw one more in there.

And go for that, by the way. The other thing you could charge the Dodgers, Doug, is the tax for having the more. most prospects of any team in the top 100 in the industry. Because guess who has that? The Dodgers. They've got nine of the top 100. So the Dodgers, if we're being honest here, they've got the best equipment to make this trade of anybody in the entire sport. So I am not going to let the Dodgers off the hook here and say,

oh, they'll never make that trade. Because that relieves the pressure on the Dodgers. I don't buy that. I think if they want Otani right, now they should go out there and get them. Yeah, they should. And they'll probably have to take Anthony Rendon as, as, as well. Oh, yeah, we'll just throw him in there. That's a little part of, part of the trade, that bad contract. Have a great weekend, JP. Always great to catch and up with you. I love your energy for the support that you cover. Thanks for being our guest. Thanks, I really appreciate the

conversation, my friend. Really appreciate the call. And have a great weekend to you as well. All right. That's John Morosi, M.B. Insider, reporter for the N.B. Network. Here's Ryan Music with the News. This is the herd line news. Always great to have the great John Paul Marosi in the herd, Doug. Talk a little baseball. It's that time of year, summertime. But we're going to turn our attention back to the NFL, of course.

As the old saying goes, NFL short for not for long. That's certainly the case for the greatest coach of all time in Bill Belichick. As rumors about his job status with the Patriots continue to heat up, Patriots owner Robert Kraft has been public about his displeasures, not winning a playoff game since their 2018 season. Ben Volan of the Boston Globe, he joined the herd earlier this week, and he had this to say about Belichick's status in New England. If they have a losing record again, if Mac Jones has another sideways season, then the offense isn't better, and the team is boring again, I definitely think Belichick is on the hot seat, and there's a chance that he doesn't come back next year. year. Now, again, I think it would have to be a disastrous kind of season, but seven and ten and Mac Jones screaming at the coaches again, like, I definitely think that could happen.

But think about what he said, though, okay? I want to, like, I have been on my show. I love Ben, and he's covered that team for a long time. He said if they have another below 500 season, if Mac Jones regresses and screaming at the coaches, if their offense still looks bad, if, if, if, if, if. And I get, like, you know, you don't get new Hopkins, and you're like, dude, who is he going to throw to? But can we all, like, Bill O'Brien wasn't a great general manager, but seems to be pretty good with offense, right? Agreed. And Mac Jones did regress last year. They won eight games.

The year before, they did make the playoffs with him as a rookie. And I get it, that division on paper looks ridiculous. Looks ridiculous. But your division can be ridiculous, and you still win a bunch of games because you only play six games in division. right and they're not playing a first place schedule so you know I mean look they start out with the eagles and dolphins at home

and they go to the Jets and cowboys but the point is like that's a lot of things that have to go wrong in order for him to be on the hot seat and then maybe right yeah like look if they win four games he might get fired any coach you could just pretty much any coach

you could say that about So I just, we have to contextualize what Ben was talking about. Sure. And to your point, it's the simple upgrade in offensive play caller is exactly the type of move that could take them from being just under 500 to just over and very much back in the playoffs. And then all of this is all for not. It is just interesting that we've even arrived at a point to where Bill Belichick is even remotely being whispered about. his job status being in question. Well, I mean, like every coach will tell you that you're, every job you have,

you're going to coach until you get fired, right? That's, so it does, it happens to everybody, you know? They may retire you, but at some point, diamond, they all do come to an end. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. I'm Doug Gottlieb in for Colin Cowherd. There's a new owner for the Washington commanders.

Which of course leads us to wonder. Daniel Snyder, who some people think is the worst owner in the history of sports. Is that his legacy? What is his legacy? Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, what's up, everybody? It's me, three-time Pro Bowl of LaVarrington, and I couldn't be more excited to announce a new podcast called Up On Game. What is Up On Game, you ask?

Along with my fellow Pro Bowler, T.J. Hushmanzada and Super Bowl champion. Yep, that's right. Plexico Burris. You can only name a show with that type of talent on it. Up on Game. We're going to be sharing our real-life experiences loaded with teachable moments. Listen to Up on Game with me, LaVar Arrington, T.J. Hushman Zada and Plexico Burris on the.

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And for more behind the scenes, follow at Clifford and at TikTok Podcast Network on TikTok. Do you remember when Diana Ross double-tap Little Kim's boobs at the VMAs? Or when Kanye said that George Bush didn't like black people. I know what you're thinking. What the hell does George Bush got to do with Little Kim? Well, you can find out on the Look Back at it podcast. I'm Sam Jek.

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Fox Sports Radio, the IHeart Radio app. I'll tell you what Saquan Barclay is doing after final grades have been posted the top of the hour. plus I'll just use the letters DB. I think we all know what the, it's not a curse word, but somehow it's become like the word which we call people that are, well, a DB, right?

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TJ Hishmanzada is going to join us? Great. Love who. good energy. I'm sure he's going to want to talk Lakers. We're going to actually want to talk the NFL. We may be able to get both. Dan Steiner is no longer the owner of the Washington Commanders.

So, by the way, Dan Steiner, actually owner of the Washington Redskins, then football team, then commanders sold all three sale in through yesterday. $6.1 billion? I think I think there's a lot to there's a lot to kind of, you know, go through the disaster that was his ownership, right?

But there's a really kind of simple way of explaining why it was such, frankly, an embarrassment to the league. I mean, in my childhood, when you thought of the NFL, you thought of the NFL, you thought of the NFL, you thought of among other teams, the Washington Redskins were kind of royalty. Old RFK Stadium was you could like, they'd pan up from it and then you could see the Capitol. They had the hogs. They ran counter-tray, and they famously won three Super Bowls

with three different quarterbacks. And Joe Gibbs was their coach. They were like, kind of America's teamish, you know. And they played the Cowboys and the Giants. And they were all in it. It just all worked. And I think the, The takeaway is this.

They had some good coaches. They took some chances. They tried every different way to win. They went and hired Steve Spurrier. Like, that was a disaster. Like, okay, but Steve Spurrier was an innovative offensive mind they tried with. You know, Jay Gruden and Bruce Allen, they actually, like, we can say that that didn't work. But RG3 had a great rookie year.

He just got hurt. And then the backup was Kirk Cousins. They got in the fourth round. Like, that was a great draft. They had some players. Jay Gruden yesterday, there was some sound of him saying, Dan Snyder insisted on being involved in free agency, without doing any of the homework.

Now, look, a lot of NFL owners, I want to draft this guy, I want to draft that guy, I want to trade. They get, they're fanboys, but it's their team, and they say owners own. Snyder is famous, by the way, and he was famously despised for being the first owner to charge admission to training camp. Something that, by the way, it's not the norm now,

but it does happen at a lot of training camps. So he was, I guess, sort of innovative. He clearly lacked any sort of bedside manner. And he was despised by people who worked for him and the people that covered him. And of course, the fans, but most of that was because they didn't win. If they won Super Bowls,

honestly, Dan Snyder would not be run out of town. I wish it was another way. I wish it was, hey, you're not a good person, you lose your team. That's not how it actually works. But he was a bad guy whose teams didn't win. And still he made, you know, somewhere in the $5 billion in change profit on selling the football team yesterday. But I think the ultimate legacy is this. You can't win in business or in sports, which is a business.

with dysfunctional leadership. Not every company that succeeds has the same plan or has perfect leadership, but you just can't win in spite of dysfunction. You just can't. And you can say whatever you want about, well, you know, if RG3 hadn't gotten hurt, or this pick was different, or this coach made a different. That's fine. Okay, remember, during his time of ownership, Cowboys haven't won either.

Right? It's not like they were, hey, the Cowboys, they spent more money like, they ain't won either. But the mess was because of dysfunction. And you just, anyone has worked in a company where the ownership, leadership is dysfunctioning. You know that no matter how hard you work, matter how good your plan, it ain't won, you ain't win a championship of that. I'm Doug Gowley been for Colin. Saquan Barkley's trying to improve his grades after they went final. I'll prove it to you next in the hurt.

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