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Episode Date: October 22, 2025

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So I got to start this hour with this. This happened yesterday or the day before. I think it was yesterday. The tweet came out from Russell Wilson. So Sean Payton, coached the Denver Broncos, when he got to Denver, he and Russell Wilson, and I had set it on the air. this is going to be a personality clash. I know Sean had dinner with Sean.

I've had a lot of discussions with Sean. Sean is blunt. Sean is up front. Sean is authentic. Sean doesn't care what you think about him. And Russell can be, you know, very, I would say almost political, a little bit more calculated. And when Russell had his own office there in the Denver building, that was not going to play with Sean Payton. So it never worked.

Sean didn't view him as the future. He was overpaid. and Sean was going to get rid of him. It wasn't ever going to work. And so Sean's taken a few shots at Russell, and after coming back to beat the Giants and Jackson Dart, who replaced Russell, here's what Sean said after the game Sunday. It was a great win.

Good team effort to fight back. Tip your hats to New York. Those guys have found a new juice about them, and you could see that on tape. You know, they found a little spark with that quarterback. I was talking to John Merron not too long ago, and I said we were hoping that that change would have happened long after our game. Well, ouch, Russell Wilson did not like that.

Went to X. Classless, not surprised. Didn't realize you're still bounty hunting 15 plus years later through the media. Let's ride. Let's ride. You knew that was coming. First of all, the Russell Wilson story is crazy. It deserves a Netflix special.

So Russell Wilson's last two years at North Carolina State, 72 touchdowns, best record for NC State in eight years, and the coach demoted him. Said they're not going to be an NFL player. I'm going to go with Mike Glennon. What? So he goes to Wisconsin. He scores 39 touchdowns. They go 11 and 3 and go to the Rose Bowl.

I don't think Wisconsin scored 39 touchdowns since he left. And yet he only went in the third round of the draft. He got disrespected again. And then in Seattle, when he's changing the world, he's a unicorn talent. Marshawn, Lynch, Pete Carroll, the defense got all the talent. So Russell has lived in this kind of prism of he didn't get respect at NC State, even though he was record setting. He didn't get respect in Wisconsin, even though he's easily the most productive

quarterback they've ever had for a single season. And he didn't get a ton of respect in Seattle. and I think Russell's tired of it. I think he's just tired of it. And, I mean, Pete Carroll chose Gino Smith over him. Sean Payton was willing to deal with the worst dead cap hit in league history to go with Bo Necks. Mike Tomlin said, I'll go with old Aaron Rogers, who gets hurt more. And Brian Daubles being investigated by the league because he went over to the injury tent

to make sure he didn't have to put Russ back on the field. So, you know, 0 for 4 with coaches. But I think the bigger issue is Russ feels disrespected, but there is a truth about smaller quarterbacks. Let me ask you, how is Tua's career gone the last couple years? How's Kyler Murray's career gone the last couple years? And how has Russell's career gone? He's lost his last seven starts. There are limitations with smaller quarterbacks.

They don't last as long, and they do not age well. Russell, Tua, Tyler Murray. By the way, I do think it is hard when your entire life is an uphill battle. I mean, the fact that he had 72 touchdowns, best record in almost a decade, and the coach at N.T. State says, not interested. And then he goes to Wisconsin, who can never get the quarterback right, and is unbelievable. And the NFL still ignores him. I mean, and to show you more disrespect that Russell Wilson,

when he was at the top of his game, a unicorn talent, a playmaker, the Seahawks, GM, and Pete Carroll went to Wyoming to scout Josh Allen. So I do think we all have limitations. I think all of us in life, if we feel constantly disrespected over and over and over again, I think that's what Russell feels. And that's why he clapped back. He just feels disrespected and he's tired of it. And I get it.

And I don't think, I don't think Sean should have taken a shot at him. but I think Russell's always been above that of punching back, and I think yesterday's like, I'm over it. I'm over it. And I get it. The guys, NC State, Wisconsin, Seahawks, Gino Smith, I get it. And with that, Joel Clat, the voice of college football is joining us live. We'll have the UCLA Indiana game, which is a crazy story.

I mean, it's so weird. They get rid of their coach, and they have a completely different vibe, feel, energy, and juice. For the record, does UCLA have any chance? I mean, it's pretty interesting what they're doing offensively. Do they have any chance to compete with Indiana? Well, I mean, they're playing substantially better football, and they still have a five-star quarterback. This is what I find so interesting in college football right now is these teams that maybe we don't think a lot of. they've got better players than they ever have because of revenue sharing and NIL and that talent

is dispersed. So I think more than any other year, I think that there are opportunities for a team like UCLA to go out there and not only play with, but maybe even beat Indiana. And it starts with their quarterback and he's got to play well and their play caller Jerry Newheisel. Now, Tim Skipper doesn't probably get enough credit for the way UCLA has bounced back and played so well. Totally different energy. I think you're exactly right. But also these two coordinators, that they have. Jerry Newheisel has really understood that he needs to teach the why to the concept. And I think it shows on film. When I'm watching UCLA, it's drastically different with the way that they play in terms of their urgency on offense. And you can only do that if you understand

the why, not just what or how, but the why of what's going on in the football field. So they're playing a lot better. But I will tell you, this is an uphill battle because this Indiana team is very good. They're the only team in college football right now in the top five in scoring offense and scoring defense. They've got a top five pick at quarterback. They've got experience on the outside. The defense has been sensational. They can run it. They're balanced. And that's a tough place to play. So, you know, it's an uphill battle for UCLA. So when Ohio State went and got Chip Kelly from the NFL and Matt Patricia, it shows you the meshing in college and pro football. I mean, Belichick going to college not working, but there's a mesh now. It used to be there was pros. They looked down at college

football. Well, no, you're seeing NFL guys steal offensive stuff from college. You're seeing NFL guys go, I'll be a coordinator in college and make a million bucks a year. But it's interesting. So the other thing that's happening to college football that has an NFL field that nobody's talking about. It used to be Ohio State, Michigan play, oh, it's burr, it's cold. Then you go play somewhere in Orlando. You go to a nice, sunny location. The college football playoff is very NFL. You're going to play in crappy weather. That wasn't the case. So the best teams are now, then I'm going to go to the Rose Bowl. You know, I'm going to go to Orlando all the time.

And so I watched Notre Dame this weekend and I want, oh, Notre Dame is built for December. Notre Dame is not, they don't need Dante Moore slinging it 50 times. I watched Notre Dame. And I thought, every year we watch this in the NFL, Joe, Joel, there's two football seasons, pre- Thanksgiving and post. Yeah. College football now is going to have a little bit of that feel. Yeah. And I watch Notre Dame Saturday, and I'm like,

I would want no part of Notre Dame if they get to the playoff. Am I crazy? No, you're not crazy. In fact, I based an entire episode of my podcast around this exact topic. You can actually go out. It's out today. You can go over the Joel Clad Show on YouTube and subscribe and check it out. And it's basically this.

I went in with Chris Bear Felica. So I brought Bear on and we did a national championship draft, Colin. To your point, he proposed on a conference call like, hey, how far would you get down the list? If you're just drafting teams all or nothing to win the national championship, how far would you get before you drafted Notre Dame? And we all thought to ourselves like, man, easily in the top six, you know, and I know they're not ranked right now up there in the top six because of the two losses. But those two losses look a lot different. they look like a different team with a quarterback that's maturing, even though he played his worst game against USC. I don't want to see that run game with Jeremiah Love and Janarian Price.

Those guys can absolutely handle the rock. So to your point, I think that if I'm looking at the sport right now, I said earlier in the year, there was 10 teams that could win the national championship. At one point, I thought 12. Now, as I'm starting to really see this and evaluate it, I know the playoff is going to be 12, but there are six teams that I'm like, you know what, any given week, any given run through the playoff. These six can win it all, and Notre Dame is one of those. And I think you're spot on. They do the foundationally things correct.

When the line of scrimmage, run the football, they can play good defense. They did it against USC last week. And another thing that I would just say is that this sport still is dominated by defense. As much as we watch in awe of great offensive play, the last four national

champions, Georgia had the number one defense in college football. Georgia had the number four defense in college football. Michigan, number one defense in college football. Ohio State, number one defense in college football. You still have to play great on defense if you're going to go out there and win it all. Hey, I want to ask you, because you do work for the draft. And so when college football and pro football converge, and I think more than ever,

I think the playoff feels very NFL, the NIL, they're being paid, the transfer portals, even a wackier free agency than the NFL. But college football today in the last three years feels much more Sunday than Saturday, and I still love it. But when I watch Jackson Dart with Kiffin, so I always felt he's got a much better college coach than 90% of the sport,

I liked him, but he was all over the map. It is weird to me. I like him way more in pro football than I liked him in college football, and I liked him in college. But did you, when you watched Jackson Dart, did you think he was going to look like this good, this quickly in the pro?

No. Without a great team, without a great old I know. I mean, and by the way, if anybody says that they saw this, they're lying because he would have gotten selected a lot higher than he did, you know? Like that I like, that's an honest opinion. And I did not see this coming from Jackson Dart. I love that New York. And remember, Mike Shanahan did this for RG3 early in his career at Washington, but he wanted to put his player in position to succeed. So what New York is doing offensively, is tailored towards the skill set of Jackson Dart.

And that's really smart from Brian Daibble. That's really smart. Now, I know that they just total bombed out in the fourth quarter against Denver, which was wild. Denver scores 33 in the fourth quarter in order to win that game. But Dart and his skill set and the way that they're using him, it's effective. And even though Sean Payton's comments got then pointed to Russ and we're talking about everything else, what he initially said is absolutely correct.

And I think you and I would both agree. like they have a different juice with Jackson Dard at quarterback. No question. Yeah, no question. So they're not going to make the playoff. And I got into this discussion the other day. I am often called a USC Homer. I resent it, but I live with it every day.

I was wondering if you're going to go USC this week. I don't know. Okay, so I just, listen, in the NFL, we've seen great play callers, like Lane Kevin and Mike McDaniel, coach in the NFL, but Lane was super young and McDaniel isn't really your classic alpha. What we know in the NFL is Harbaugh is not a great scheme guy. Dan Campbell, Vrable, Tomlin, is that in the NFL, you're hiring, these are all millionaires in the locker room, you're hiring an alpha, a CEO, then you will give the schematic

excellence, and there are exceptions like Kyle Shanahan or Andy Reed, to your coordinators. But you are basically, they called in the NFL a walk-around coach. Jimmy Johnson's a walk-around coach. He walks from unit to unit to unit, inspiring, judging parcels, a walk-around coach. So, you know, I look at USC. In college, it's a little different. You got to be a walk-around coach, but a lot of these guys, they don't want to call plays because they're really good at it and much better than the average college coach.

Interesting. I see where you're headed with this. And so my take is, I think Lincoln Riley, as a play designer and caller, is A-plus. How many years do I have to watch USC get pushed around on every road game before I don't have this opinion? He's not a culture builder. He is a great, great intellect, but I'm watching them get pushed around. by Illinois. And last year, Maryland, and last year, Michigan, and this year, Notre Dame, it's four years in. This is what they are as a program. I do think it's getting better.

I mean, we sat here and talked about how much better it was getting against Michigan. I think Notre Dame is just elite running the football. That's where Illinois exposed USC, but they are going to be better on the defensive line next year than they have been this year. Jakeem Stewart, right, is his name, the young kid. Like, he's a phenomenal. nominal player on the interior. I'm going to take it a different way. I think that in college football, see, I disagree with you, the premise. I think in the NFL, scheme guys are rewarded and walk around coaches aren't.

Like scheme guys win, Andy Reid, Kyle Shanahan, those guys win. I think what Steichen is doing right now, right? Stuyken in Indianapolis. It's very creative. It's great. It's great stuff. like scheme guys win in the NFL. What you don't see in college is scheme guys and specifically play callers win at the top level.

In fact, we haven't seen a play caller win a national championship since I think it was Jimbo Fisher. And before that, it was like Tom Osborne back in the 90s. Like guys that are CEOs win in college football because the walkaround style is much more prevalent and needed. This is why Ryan Day gave up his play calling duties. That's his superpower. it's his cape on his back. So he gave him up last year. Are we saying that basically,

so what you're basically saying is it's a walk-around sport, Lincoln's not that great of a walk-around coach? I don't think so. I think the play callers, the kiffins and the Sarks and the Lincoln Rilies of the world, they need to look at a guy like Ryan Day and think to themselves, you know, what made them have the ability to win the national championship?

I'll just say this. If Ryan Day called the plays last year and was the coordinator de facto first year, for Ohio State. I don't think that they win the national championship, but it's not because of his play calling, it's because he wouldn't have been available to the defense after they got beat by Oregon

to go in and fix broken structures. I think that's a man, he would talk about that openly, and it was the reason why he decided to give up play calling duties. Now you also have to be a GM, you also have to raise a bunch of money and do all of these things outside. And the level of time and commitment it takes

to not only formulate a game plan, but then become the play caller and study to be the play caller, I don't know if you can be a national champion and call the place in college football. Brent Vittables is trying to do that on the defensive side right now. Mike Elko is trying to do that on the defensive side right now, and I think it's too tough. I look at your top 10. You have Ohio State, Indiana, Alabama. I agree with that.

Oregon, A&M, Georgia, Georgia Tech. How about Georgia Tech? Miami, Notre Dame, Vandy. I'd have Notre Dame, a little higher. but I don't disagree. I gotta tell you something. I am rooting for Kailin DeBoer. And the reason I'm doing it is replacing a legend is really hard.

And people forget. People go, Alabama, Nick Saban saw this coming. He knew that he couldn't match up with Georgia's NIL or Texas. He knew it. And Nick said, I'm going to quietly move to television. And he was smart. He saw it. and Cailin DeBore inherited a less talented roster.

They do not have a elite NIL. I don't know. I think you're overselling this. I don't know. I don't think they have the money that, I mean, USC spent an 18 large. I don't think Alabama's got that, do they? Well, they have it through revenue share. You know, the SEC has given them a large check.

And listen, if you want to take Nick Sabin at face value, what he didn't like is that the day after they lose to Michigan and the Rose Bowl, players are asking how much are you going to pay me and how much am I going to play? And he didn't like those conversations. I don't know if it was a resource battle where all of a sudden he was scared or this or that. I don't think he liked the nature of what the head coach was going to have to do. Like for instance, at Ohio State last year they win the national championship. The next morning, in 15-minute increments, they started meeting with every player and their manager to talk about NIL.

I mean, that's not fun. and I don't think Nick Saban wanted to do that. Now, I don't want to speculate on his account, but I would just say this. I think Kalyn DeBore is one of the better coaches in the entire sport. His record proves that wherever he's been. Great. And he's got a quarterback right now in Ty Simpson

that I think has a really good chance to be the number one overall pick. And when you got that, like you got a chance. I don't think their defense is great. I don't think they run the ball, you know, great. but man, like this is a great quarterback, a proud tradition, a good roster,

and I think they're going to be really tough to beat. I think they would right now, which is the reason I put them at number three are my favorite in the SEC. Yeah, no, I think so too.

They don't look as ferocious defensively. They don't look as powerful or quite as big defensively as the Sabine years, but they don't have, you know, it's a whole different world now. Backups transfer.

So, don't be surprised if Sam, since your number one pick, though. It'll be him and Fernando Mendoza will be looked at as that number one pick. All right. Listen, I'm going to ask USC questions. I know they're uncomfortable for you.

I'm a journalist. They're always very comfortable questions for me. It's just, listen, after four years, you are what you are. Don't you think you're seeing a trajectory that is different than what has been before? Let's see. They go on the road. They can't beat Illinois and they can't beat Notre Dame.

what's different? Uniform's the same, results the same road. I mean, it's the same. On the road, uniforms look the same. The offense is clever and smart. That's the same. They get pushed around.

That's the same. I think USC makes a playoff in the next 24 months. Oh, standards kind of dropped, hasn't it? By year six? I mean, we're not March madness, but we could be up to 18 teams there pretty quick. open the next 24 months.

All right. Glad it's good to see you, buddy. You as well. Have a good day, dude. Yeah. First of all, I don't want ping pong tables at work. And I got higher standards than you get the USC job in year six you get into the playoffs. Oh, Mr. Crazy Talk over here.

My rule is if you're at work playing ping pong, you're a ding dong. You're not going to management. Go ahead. Hit it back and forth and have your dog at work. All right. Somebody's got to do the heavy lifting here. I guess it's me. One more herd.

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ping pong table, shuffleboard table, barber's chair, and a racing simulator. So the Kansas City Chiefs, fun. Ping pong slash table tennis. Fun. It's good. Chiefs are four and three. Why not just hand out ayahuasca?

I mean, what's the point of going to work? I mean, barber's shop I totally get. That I get. Get haircuts. Totally get that. That's, I don't want you wasting time going to the barber. Do it in a facility. Race car driving?

You're just ruling with an iron fit. You know, this is why I didn't go to Chicago this week. Because I heard there's no ping pong table. I'm not going to Chicago to celebrate you in your big week. You're big honor. And no ping pong. Come on. J. Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Colin, more quarterback stuff going on around the league. Are you ready for this? J.J. McCarthy, not ready to go, according to the Minnesota Vikings, and they will start Carson Wentz once again. Kevin O'Connell sticking with Wentz, Colin.

It's not like there's a controversy here. Wens has not been good. Here's Kevin O'Connell talking about keeping Carson Wens at quarterback. JJ, the medical staff, myself, we're all kind of encouraging. about where he's at and the progress he's making, but he's just not there. And if this was a Sunday game, maybe it would be a little bit of a different story. We wanted to have a plan at the quarterback position, and it'll be very similar to last week. Carson will start.

Max will be the backup, and JJ will be available in the case of emergency as the third. Okay, I'm not going to speculate, but the whole thing is weird. Well, let me give us a little more context. So they have the chargers followed by the Detroit Lions. a divisional matchup that means a lot more than this non-conference one. And I think my guess is, because O'Connell, remember, he picked McCarthy over Sam Darnel. My guess is they believe a healthy McCarthy gives them a better chance to win an important game against the Lions on November 2nd. You buying that, or?

I want to watch it. I've had my doubts from the very beginning. This was the one quarterback in the draft class. I didn't see as an NFL franchise quarterback. I'm not saying he can't play in the league, but I wouldn't build around J.J. McCarthy. that is how I project his career is you'll find out very quickly. He's not a franchise guy. Could be wrong, been wrong before.

I love Drake May. I love Jaden Daniels. I love Caleb Williams. I love Bo Necks. I thought very highly of panics. Who's been hot and cold, but all young quarterbacks are. But he was the one I had doubts about, and he was the one that everybody told me was going to be the star.

That was the way, oh, everybody, and I kept saying, folks, don't, I, my eyes don't lie. He made about one big throw a game at Michigan. That's not the NFL. Jim Harbaugh, remember, was hyping him. Jim Harbaugh, obviously coaching the Chargers, probably happy to face Carson Wentz. Do we have some Wentz numbers on the screen here? Colin, since taking over in week four,

only one quarterback has been worse than him in a quarterback in pass-a-rating. He still remains way too reckless. What? I mean, yeah. And in the pocket, he doesn't inspire confidence. I don't know. I don't have a bet on this game Thursday. Chargers are favored by three off that bad loss.

I'll take the Chargers. Yeah, I'm with you. Chargers bounce back. Next up, it's official Jaden Daniels. I'm sorry folks. Jaden Daniels will not play on Monday against the Kansas City Chiefs. It'll be the Marcus Marietta show. The team just announced earlier this morning.

Dan Quinn, however, did say potentially good news. Terry McLaurin, who we've been rumored that he's going to return for three weeks now. He's expected to play and Debo Samuel should return as well. Now, this is interesting. The line has ballooned up to 10 and a half. I will preface this, you know, when we handicap these games. Next up for the Chiefs, Buffalo Bills.

Okay, that was a team they lost two last year in the regular season, beat in the AFC title game. Is there a chance the Chiefs kind of sort of overlook Washington with a backup quarterback and... I think, uh, listen, these Thursday games, we just watched the Bengals

and Joe Flacco beat the Steelers. Sorry, this is Monday night, I'm sorry. Well, Monday night, I don't, I don't bet 10 and a half. I don't know. I don't like these big lob-sided scores. I never bet them. I never put them in Blazing Five. I just, I think 10 and a half for a bunch of prideful men is too many points. Chiefs playing the bills. I don't like it. I don't stand-alone games are weird. I mean, I watch Seattle and Houston play one of the ugliest games of the year. I watch Baker struggle against the beat-up lion secondary. I don't like

these standalone games. I don't like betting them a lot. I did like Detroit in that game, but I I'd stay away from me. Ten and a half is too many points. So we just watched Jack Prescott throw the ball literally all over the field. C.D. Lamb at 100 yards at half time. What is Patrick Mahomes, who's been performing at a high level with Rishi Rice back now? What's Mahomes going to do here? Like, Lattimore and Company and that secondary, they are not very good.

Colin, I don't think there's a playoff team this year. No, I don't think they are either. I think the NFC is deeper than it's been half a decade. Yeah. Final story is the Raiders, Colin. Sorry to compound bad news with bad news. but Ashton Gentie is not very happy. Colin, I was kind of sort of stunned at this quote from Ashton Genti.

Raiders are two and five, just got humiliated by the Chiefs, and listen to the rookie kind of pop off here. I don't work as hard as I do. Not a do. I think anybody else in this building does to lose like that. So if we're being honest, it's been, you know, losing coach around here for a long time. But you have to continue to work to fix that. and bring winning back here.

They got to get better at quarterback. That ain't happening. Well, or not finding a quarterback. Aiden O'Connell ain't walking through that door. No, they're going to draft a quarterback. But Pete Carroll did say the door is open. Can he pick it?

I don't know if he can kick it down or if he's even a break. Can stick his foot in the door to keep. His first snap against the chiefs, Colin. He fumbled it. Now, this is interesting. Zach on staff is a big Raiders fan. And, you know, the Raiders' offensive line can't open holes for Gentie. Do you want to take a gander who,

who the offensive line coaches. It's a carol's son. Yeah. You're not firing your son, are you? Now, I don't want to steal his thunder. I've told you, I'm not a fan of that. That's the Belichick thing in Carolina. Highest paid assistant.

Family, I'm not a big fan. So, Colin, just win, baby? Just Nepo, baby. Oh, that's a good one. Did you come up that by yourself? That was Raiders fan, Zach, who's very angry. very perturbed with the state of his Raiders right now. Yeah.

Well, you get a better draft pick. There's an upside in a very rich quarterback draft. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. So NBA was fun last night. It was fun.

The Warriors beat the Lakers. They had three months off. It's an old team. But Steve Kerr is one of the smartest guys in the league. He was a great player. He was a good coach. He was a great broadcaster. He was a GM.

He is too smart to think this warrior team in the West is going to beat younger, more athletic Minnesota, younger, more athletic Oklahoma City, bigger, significantly Dallas. They're not. Okay. I haven't even gotten to Denver and Houston. They're not. I think, I think Janice reports yesterday that he was close to signing with the Knicks. Nicks don't have anything to give him.

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Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Sunday on Fox, it's an NFC East rivalry. As breakout rookies, Jackson Dart leads the Giants against Hertz, Barkley, and the Eagles, or McCaffrey and the Niners take on the Texans or other regional action. Check local listings for the game in your area Sunday on Fox. Giants Eagles is interesting because the Eagles are not. not getting a pass rush. So you think to yourself, okay, Jackson Dirt, you got lucky the last time. Well, I had Giants, to be honest, they did a pretty good job of protecting Jackson Dard against

the much better pass rush in Denver. Eagles aren't getting a pass rush. And they're not dominating time of possession. Eagles don't have a run game at all. And so Jackson Dirt's going to get a lot of possessions and a lot of time with the ball and not face a ton of pressure unless the Eagles finally consistently get a great pass rush. They haven't this year. So there's a reason teams, all these teams hang around the Eagles. They can score quickly over the top, but they don't dominate time of possession. They get out gained, and they don't create pressure.

So I think the Giants, if you watch the way the Giants play, they do get pressure on the quarterback. And Scataboo and Dart moving, you can win time of possession. So unless, now maybe Philadelphia flips a magic switch. And I think Giants could beat them again. If you look at how the Giants play and what the Eagles are, I think it's another close game. So there have been several phases of the Golden State Warriors who beat the Lakers last night.

There was the pre-KD phase, Splash Brothers. Hey, they won a title. And then there was the KD phase. That's unfair. Oh, won titles. And there was the post-KD phase. That was the Andrew Wiggins team, beat. Boston. You're getting titles with all of them. And then you're all thinking, well, what about

the Jimmy Butler phase? Now, Jimmy Butler's a fling. He's not a phase. And I think it's time for the fling at the trade deadline to end. And I love Jimmy Butler. But Steve Kerr is too smart to think that 37-year-old Steph, 35-year-old Draymond, 36-year-old Jimmy Butler, and now 39-year-old Al Horford can compete in the West. They can't. They can't. So last night, game won, three months off, they can't. And what I would do, and I'm told you can do it at the trade deadline, they will be able

to move these pieces at the trade deadline. I would trade Jimmy Butler, Jonathan Cominga, and four first round picks for Janus, and see if it's enough. Jimmy Butler played at Marquette, so he's coming home. and he's still a lethal free-throw shooter, big game performer. Jonathan Caminga averaged 20 a game last year when he didn't play with Steph. He just, they don't work that well together, although when he didn't play with Steph, he had some really nice nights, and he's a better player today, and he's only 23 years old,

and then four first-round picks. And first-round picks are going to be more valuable than they were the previous decade. This last draft, very domestic, very good. 2026 draft is supposed to be better. Why? Two things are happening in college basketball. The best players are staying in college longer because they get paid now, NIL. So you get a better, older, more refined player out of college.

Draft picks for the last 15 years before that, you're getting 19-year-olds. Now you're getting 20-21-year-olds. The second thing is the best European kids, 17, 18, 19, 20, 20, 20, they're coming over and they're now American NIL money is buying them the best young Spaniard the best young Croatian they're ending up playing in college basketball so now you get to see more of them against the domestic product right you don't have to kind of guess so the draft the NBA draft going forward should be much meteor and less top heavy than previous years so four first round draft picks eight years

ago, pass. Four first round draft picks now, pretty good. Anne Cominga, who's going to be, my guess is he's 23, he's going to end up being about a 24, 25 point a game guy if he went to Milwaukee, and Jimmy Butler on any night can score 25. So that may not be enough, but Janus is older, had some injuries, but to me, Steve Kerr's too smart to think that, yeah, these old guys, I don't buy it. I think the warrior, take a are expensive as long as Steph's around you know they're fun but the west is young athletic on the wing great rim protectors everywhere this is not it that that that that watching the lakers and the warriors last night i mean it's the warriors are a little bit of an

antique store it's fun to rummage around in there a little bit and it's like it's kind of nice i'd rather go to restoration hardware and get the new stuff just me so um and I think the real piece in this is whenever you make a trade, whoever gets the star generally wins the trade. You know, Shaq goes Lakers to Miami, Miami wins the trade. But if you can get four draft picks, a borderline, I mean, in the east, Jonathan coming at 24 a night in the east, in the east, not in the west, in the east, is he an all-star? He's going to be much closer to an all-star in the east, and he is the west.

He's not going to be an all-star in the West. But in the East, Caminga, 23, 24, 25 a night? Could he be? Maybe. But he would be the key in the piece. The four draft picks Cominga and Butler coming home. Steve Kerr, by the way, likes what he's seen this off-season from Comingo. I think he's really, really matured.

You know, he's had a great camp. We've had some really good conversations. I think he has a better understanding of, you know, what we need. I think he just has a better sense of what's needed now compared to past years. And I think Jimmy has really helped him too. For the record, Cominga is a better three-point shooter than you probably think. So last year he shot almost 40% from three-point land. He's a better three-point. He's long. He's athletic. He can finish at the rim. But he kind of looks lost sometimes playing with Steve Kerr. But he can shoot threes. So you can three-endium. I mean, he can play

defense, he's a two-way player, he's 23, you got 10 years with him close to his prime. To me, he's the centerpiece in the four draft picks, which are better picks because Euros are now playing over here, and our best domestic players stay in college one year longer. Cooper Flagg said, I want to stay in college. He couldn't because he was the number one pick. And if you're a number one pick, you go to pro. But, I mean, the college guys now are getting paid, and they're in college, and they're in college, and they only play 30 games.

Big man on campus. It's fun. Zach Edy played another year of college at Purdue and came in, and we, was a more refined player. Zach Edy was way better than everybody thought he was going to be. So here's the NFL schedule. You know, these two Monday night games do not do the schedule a ton of favors. I forced JMAQ to call an upset every week on Wednesday and Thursday.

I want the upsets. I've been on a bit of a heater. You know, so I'm going to let you go first. Give me the upset. So last week I had Titans, that failed spectacular. That was horrific. Thank you, Cam Ward for nothing. You know, I do wonder if Carolina's frisky at home against the bills run defense.

Same. Also, the bills have the chiefs on deck. You wonder if they're looking ahead. But coming off a by, I don't know. I guess for now, can I go bears since there's still dogs in Lamar? Now, Lamar did jog out to the practice field. We just got video. We'll talk about it next hour.

His first practice field trips since September 28th. I don't think he's playing. So then I don't know how much of an upset it is. So why don't we go back to the well with. my New York football jets. No sauce gardener, no Gera Wilson. I'm kidding. Do not bet the Jets under any certain chances.

I'll go cowboys. Does it qualify as an upset if the Pittsburgh Steelers beat the Packers? What's the line? Three and a half? No, that's not. I mean, I'll give it to you. Tomlin, rah, raw spot. We're underdogs.

Nobody believes in us. Sunday night football. No, hey, Mike Tomlin's history at home as a dog. He's been good in these games. you give them a little more prep time. Don't put them on Thursday. You put them on Sunday night. You put them on Monday night.

You give Tom a little extra prep time, a little late Sunday night, at home, Aaron Rogers. They also were humiliated by Cincinnati. The defense was atrocious. I, my favorite underdog bet of the week on the card is Pittsburgh plus three and a half.

Yeah. With six teams on a buy, man, this is so frustrating. Damn. And you get Titans Colts, that's 14 and a half. Colin. No, it's the weakest NFL schedule today. It's not

a great, but you know how the one o'clock window works. You watch San Francisco Texans and Giants, Eagles be great, great games. Well, no, the Eagles better smash them. This is a revenge spot. The Eagles don't smash anybody. That's, they can't, when you don't

generate a pass rush and you allow quarterbacks to be comfortable in this league, I'm sorry. You're not blowing people out. It's like Buffalo. Can't stop the run. You can't blow people out. if they can control the clock. I think the Eagles, I could be wrong on this. I think they've been outgained in every game.

It's insane. Leading into Minnesota, they were. I don't remember the final stats, but... All right. A final hour coming up. Feisty today. No ping pong tables at work. Hey guys, it's us.

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