The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Kevin Durant's impact

Episode Date: March 1, 2023

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I had those shrooms last night. Yeah, you're all rattled, huh? The herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. Yeah. No, I'm starting now to kind of get into my watch NBA a lot on the treadmill. Warriors look really good last night. They figured out that bench. Sacramento Kings looked pretty damn good once again last night.

Are you playing any defense? Not a lot of defense. Do you have any playoff experience? No, but they're the number one offense in the NBA. You understand, though, that that's why the Celtics and the Warriors ended up in the finals, they actually played defense. Oh, that's right. I forgot about that.

In the regular season, it's not nearly as... First of all, you can't ask NBA players to play 82 games up. hard defense with that schedule. College guys play 30-some games. You know, and half of them are playing a semi-zone. You're trying to guard the world's best basketball players. You're not going to get 82 games of great defensive effort. In the playoffs, though, when everybody's equally arrested, I have two nights.

You know, in the NBA, leagues try to give build-up for games. You get two and three days off sometimes between playoff games. So you get great effort on the defensive end. That's why the Celtics and the bucks are really good. it's why Cleveland actually that young team plays some defense. Very good. Miami will shock somebody in the playoffs. They play great defense.

And Golden State's been lousy this year, but watch their defensive intensity flip a switch when the playoffs start. How about the paper clips with Kauai and Paul George on the wing? I've been hearing for years. They're great defensive wings. 0 and 3 with Westbrook. All right. Oh, by the way, so Aaron Rogers was on a podcast.

podcast of somebody who's a philosopher and no laughing, nothing wrong with philosophers. That's a major in college. You can major in philosophy. There's nothing wrong with that. Aaron puts it out there all the time. So he was talking about being doubted before. And he was talking on this Aubrey Marcus podcast. He's been doubted before.

And here you go. I've been doubted before. And look, honestly, I felt in the first year, that Matt was here. When I was in Green Bay, 19, I felt at times like a game manager. Like, it was just, I didn't quite understand what we're doing at times on offense. And my job was to take care of the football. And I did, you know, I threw four interceptions and 26 touchdowns.

And we were 13 and 3. But I felt like there was so much more. And, you know, then I drafted my replacement. And then I went to BP twice. And I threw 85 touchdowns and nine interceptions in two years. and obviously there were some changes that happened on the team and the coaching staff. And I didn't have my best year plan. And there's probably people that think I'm done.

By the way, I like his honesty, and that'll make somebody in Green Bay uncomfortable, and I'm okay with discomfort. But it should be noted pre-Mat LaFleur, Aaron was 10, 12, and 1 in his previous 23 games. With Matt LeFleur and having less control, he was 13 and 3, and then 13 and then 13 and 3. So Matt LaFleur, bringing from Tennessee a bit of a run influence, has been wildly successful. And Aaron with less leverage and less control has been wildly successful MVP's. This year, they paid Aaron. He had a lot of season.

He had more leverage and power, and he wasn't very good. So when he had power with McCarthy at the end and was rolling his eyes and blowing off plays, Aaron wasn't very good. It was a bad version of Aaron. And then LaFleur said, more of a run influence, manage the game at times, instead of ad-libbing, and he went 39 and 9. And this year, again, Aaron had more power. They ran less.

Remember the big complaint about Green Bay this year? Early on was, got Aaron Rogers and Aaron Jones. Use them both. And they didn't run the ball until late in the year, when they played better and went in a winning streak. So the truth is they have been with Matt LaFleur a better team, and they were better early with Mike McCarthy when Aaron had less power. When Aaron wasn't making any money early, they were really, really good. And when Aaron didn't have the control with Matt LaFleur, they were really, really good.

This year he got paid. He had money. He had leverage. He had power. Didn't show up in the offseason. He had his worst year in a long time. So as long as he can be honest about that is that, you know, Aaron shouldn't have too much power.

He's not Mahomes. He's not Josh Allen. I don't think he's Burrow. He has aged. He's aged fine. But not giving him ultimate power has been very good for Aaron Rogers. It's been very good. By the way, his Super Bowl winning year, they had a run game that flourished at the end of the season.

This year, when they started using Aaron Jones, less relying on Aaron Rogers. They were very good at the end of the season. They were bad early. So there you go. Chris Manick's been covering the NBA for 20 years. So tonight, KD and the Suns, I can't wait for it. I was saying this earlier, that Westbrook and Kyrie have defined games, strong opinions. Throwing them into a team at the trading deadline could be a little problematic.

KD feels different. He works with everybody. God, he was working with Ben Simmons earlier this year before he got hurt. I think the Suns will be great. I think they'll be great immediately. You sat down with their new owner recently. What do you project we'll see from this Phoenix offense now? Well, it will be prolific.

And they're going to have some nights where they score 130, 140 points, maybe somewhat easily. My concern is who are the defenders on this team in the aftermath of McHale Bridges being traded away? I know people have pointed to Kevin Durant and his defense, and he is a solid. a defender, but Paul, Booker, Durant, like, this is not a great defensive team. So you got to get stops in the playoffs to win games. That's part of it. The depth on this team, they're bringing in buyout guys. Never in the history of the NBA, Colin, has a team been successful just bringing in

buyout guys to be part of the rotation. You need to flesh out that rotation with pieces that fit, with guys that make sense, not guys, they're just available for certain reasons in the buyout market. And the greatest concern of them all, you've got three guys that are your stars that all have pretty significant history of injuries. Chris Paul seems to get hurt every single time we get to, like, key moments in the playoffs. Kevin Durant has been hurt in each of the last couple of years, and not to mention the Achilles' injury. And Devin Booker's coming off the most significant injury of his career in this season. I don't think it's crazy to think that this team might wind up dealing with an injury issue at some point before the end of the season.

And if they do, they just don't have the chemistry or the depth to overcome something like that. So the Warriors now on a little bit of a winning streak, I talked earlier about it took them a while to bridge young and old. And now the Finchanzo gives them leadership off the bench. Pool gives them scoring. Kaming gives him athletic ability. He's a very good athlete. Jim Michael Green gives them some size. It feels like they've kind of figured out with four different guys.

they've kind of figured out the bench. That's what it looked like to me last night, what it's looked like for the last couple of weeks. Your takeaway on the Warriors, by the way, Clay is having his best year in a long time. Your takeaway on the Warriors, are they just kind of sitting in the weeds? They're sitting in the weeds,

but I need to see more of this revitalized second unit to believe that it's sustainable. That's been their big problem throughout the course of this entire season. They haven't had reliable guys coming off the bench. The starting lineup is great. The numbers back that up. up defensively, they can still get it done with that smaller lineup. But they have not had reliable guys.

And look, before the trade deadline, Warriors officials were telling people privately, like, we know we can't win without some kind of significant upgrade to the bench. Maybe Gary Payton turns out to be that guy. He's been a reliable guy for them in the past. He's someone that knows the system and someone that Steve Kirk can trust. But I need to see it from Jonathan Kamenga. I need to see more of it from Jordan Poole. I need to believe, see more to believe.

Seymour to believe that these guys in a tough postseason series are going to be the kind of player Steve Kirk and lean on, or is he going to have to really extend his starting lineups to minutes he doesn't want to in order to stay in some of these games? You know the Celtics as well as anybody, and I've said this, I was talking about this yesterday. I said there's an interesting team. You can argue that Marcus smarts the soul of the team. Jalen Brown's the best athlete. Robert Williams is the most valuable defensive player because he's a rim protector. Warriors fits last year, and Jason Tatum is the best basketball player.

And they got to now, they have a new coach. And it's a different feel. Like, I feel like the Warriors have been, you know, Dremont and Steph are the soul of the team. And I feel like I kind of know everything cinches together. And when I watch the Celtics in sometimes close games, situationally, half court, I feel like they're still kind of sometimes trying to figure. it out. You watch them a lot more than I do. What do you make? Now, now the Bucks have added shot makers, veteran shot makers. Do they have, does Boston have enough? Where are you on the

Celtics today? I think the Celtics are great. I do. I don't think they have any problems whatsoever. I think they're comfortable with each other with that rotation. I think Tatum and Brown have learned how to play up each other. I think Malcolm Brogden has been exactly what this team is looking for. I think going into the postseason, probably the biggest question is how does Joe Bazula, the young head coach, handle it. He is going to have to match wits with some elite head coaches when he gets deep in the playoffs. Guys like Mike Boodenholzer, Doc Rivers, I mean, top level guys that he's going to have to go up against.

Maybe he can do it. But Joe's had some iffy moments with his rotations. He seems to have gone to the Phil Jackson School of never calling timeouts. there's given you some reason for concern about the postseason. That's number one. Number two, if you ask people in Boston, the team they fear the most in both conferences, it's Milwaukee. That's why the Celtics were aggressively involved in the talks to get San Antonio's

Yakup Pertil to the team. They're willing to give up a first round pick in exchange for Yacob Pertil. The spurs ultimately went the Raptors direction. They go out, they get Mike Muscala. But they know in Boston that they are one bad, landing from Robert Williams away from having to over rely on Al Horford, who's 36, to have to lean on Luke Cornet, who's unproven, to have to use a Mike Muscal. And then you look at the bucks, their strength is their strength. They've got Janus in that front court, Brooke Lopez in that

front court, Bobby Portis in that front court. The Celtics, that makes them very, very nervous. If Robert Williams is healthy, they're able to go 35 minutes, they feel confident they can win us, They will win a series against Milwaukee at home or on the road. But that's the team that scares them the most because that size can give Boston problems. Finally, I have grown up with Ali. Marketing is a big deal in pay-per-view. It drives tickets. I grew up with Don King and Bob Aram.

And then, you know, you hand off to Connor McGregor. I understand it. Wrestling, boxing, UFC. It can be pay-per-view. I get it. I'm not uncomfortable with Jake Paul. I did say this, though. And you've been covering boxing a long time.

Is that I once in Connecticut saw a Doors cover band. I love the doors. And they were fantastic. But I wouldn't follow them around the country. Like I would follow years ago, you two, or friends would follow Pearl Jay. They were a knockoff band. And when I saw Jake Paul against the real boxer, albeit a limited one, he's not as refined, he's not as polished.

He's just not. He's a tough kid with a great story, works his book. butt off and I'm happy for him. My takeaway is I don't need to buy his pay-per-view stuff anymore, but I love the story. As somebody who officially covers it and has great respect inside the industry, what was your takeaway on his narrative, his story, and his fight against Tommy Fury? Let's start here. I love what Jake Paul has brought to boxing. Whatever you think of his talent level. He is a compelling character and he's involving himself in compelling fights, which is not what you can say about boxing, at least not on a consistent basis. As far as the real boxing

goes, Jake Paul has also done a phenomenal job elevating real boxers. Amanda Serrano is a far bigger name now because she fought on Jake Paul's undercards. Montana Love got a long-term contract with a real promoter because he fought on Jake Paul's undercars. Look at this most recent fight. Badu Jack, who probably nobody outside the hardcore boxing audience has ever heard of, is now a cruiserweight champion at 39 years old because in part he was fighting on these Jake Paul undercutts. So he has elevated the guys around him.

Now, is Jake Paul ever going to be a world champion? Of course not. Could he beat Tommy Fury in the rematch? Yeah, I think he could. It was a close enough fight that I could see him winning a rematch. But that doesn't matter. All Jake Paul has to do, Colin, is continue to. to be in compelling fights.

We don't care about world titles in boxing. We don't care about weight divisions of boxing. We care about compelling matchups. And Jake Paul, later in the year, if he fights someone like Nate Diaz, I'll buy it. I'm in. I'll watch that. If he fights at the end of the year, someone like KSI, who's another YouTuber who's talked a lot of trash, who has a win over his brother Logan, I'll watch that, sign me up

for that. Just give me something that is compelling. boxing purists out there, many of them who listen to my podcast, do I love, but are, they are so, they're so blind to all this. They say, don't watch Jake Paul. Jake Paul is stupid. Now, turn around and pay $75 for some crap that somebody's going to put on pay per view tomorrow. Like, that's their solution. Yeah. Just have real boxers fighting on payper view. Jake Paul is compelling. As long as he's in compelling fights, I'll be there to watch them and talk about them every single time. Chris Mannix, as always buddy, great stuff. Thanks, man.

You got a call. Yeah. And that's always been my takeaway on this stuff. There's a percentage of sports fans that it really means a lot that they know more than you do. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. You give me Connor McGregor. John Jones is fighting over on, isn't he fighting on like ESPN Plus or something?

John Jones is going to be fighting? I'll watch his fight. I'll watch Connor McGregor's fight. Congrats you no more. Nobody cares. Entertain me. It's all entertainment. It's not my job.

to talk about your boring team. Get interesting. I'll talk about you. Phoenix made a trade. They're interesting. I'll talk about them. Okay, that's not, it's not my, I'm in the omelet business, not the egg business. You have to be made. Then I'll talk about you. It's not my job to make the omelet. Not my job to make you interesting. You go get interesting, then we'll talk about you. Jake Paul's interesting. He's an interesting guy. I don't think he's great. I don't need to buy his pay-per-views anymore, but I would buy a Nate Diaz. I would buy that one. Nate Diaz and Jake Paul, I'd absolutely buy. See, you and I'm not into. this purest nonsense. These baseball fans are crazy. Like, make the game more interesting.

They've lowered and raised the mound in baseball like 24 times. Lower it, get more guys getting hits. Baseball pitchers now are so tall and everybody throws mid-90s. Literally these guys are six-seven throwing 96 miles an hour down a freeway and nobody can hit. Lower the mound. You've done it multiple times. When I was a kid growing up, the best team in baseball by a mile was the Cincinnati Reds. They had one guy that threw in the 90s, Don Gullet. He was a Kentucky high school football star. Number 35, he was a left-hander, had armed problems, threw 95 miles an hour. Everybody else on that staff, and I could go through the staff and name everybody. The Fred Normans, Raleigh Eastwick, I, Clay Carroll, it was my favorite team of all time.

I had all the baseball cards, collect. Everybody threw 86. Everybody on every team, every pitcher seemingly throws 97 miles an hour. So change the sport. Lower the mound. get more base runners on. People for 12 years in baseball took cattle steroids, and you're worried about records? Give me a break. I mean, it was like 15 years. Everybody was shooting up. You had like marginal middle infielder's jacking 42 home runs a year up in Seattle.

Give me a break. So to me, if you're interesting, I'll talk about it. And Jake Paul was interesting. I'm not sure if I'm interested going forward, but I sat on that plane watching Tommy Fury and Jake Paul had a ball. I ordered a second cocktail. Almost had shrooms there if they would have offered them. I was going to ask, can you tell me where you got the shrooms pizza? Because you're on one today.

I need this for tomorrow. Just be entertaining. Also, the Lakers just announced Anthony Davis out tonight, so no Blah, no AD. It's like, can't watch the Lakers tonight. I'll just eat shrooms pizza. Tell you something. Look at how I'm reacting to it. You're fired up today.

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Here he is getting locked up by T.J. McConnell. Locked up on the final play of the game. Kyrie could not get the bucket that was needed, and they lose by two to the Indiana Pacers. Tough one. Kyrie, of course, after the game, Colin, you know, he's just putting too much pressure on himself to be successful in Dallas, yes. All right.

I just appreciate the coaching staff, and my teammates trust me with that shot. and just the comfort they gave me afterwards. You know, I really want to win here. Really put a lot of pressure on myself at times. I think I need to scale it back a little bit just because of the second half of the season, just feeling like we got to be great every single possession. And usually these learning curves or learning moments happen in preseason

and it's just happening now. So it definitely puts a glaring eye on what we're doing right and what we're doing wrong. Can I do this? Yes. Take LeBron James out of Kyrie's career. And let me tell you how it worked. He played eight total games at Duke.

He wasn't healthy. He was a bust early that couldn't galvanize a roster in Cleveland and stay healthy. He goes to Boston. He bombs. He goes to Brooklyn. He's Looney Tunes. And now he's one in four in Dallas. He has worked with one player.

LeBron. And he left him. And he worked briefly with one coach, Brad Stevens. And he left it. Go look at his career. And you and I both say, one of the great skilled guards of my life. I've never seen a guard that size that can finish at the rim, left or right hand. Isaiah Thomas back in the day with Detroit Pistons.

He was good. What is his career without LeBron? Doesn't get along with people, not dependable, doesn't win games, can't stay healthy. That is facts. That's all that is. Not my concern. my facts hurt your feelings. That's not, that's the truth. His career is a bunch of nonsense. But he can dribble really well. Don't forget about the layup package. It's elite at the

rim. I mean, he is finishing with both hands. Not a winning player. Just a talented one. It's weird how many NBA fans on social media don't grasp that. They can't get their head around Kyrie not being a winning player. Yeah, no, I mean, it's a highlight sport. Football's not. We watch the games in football. All the data shows you. In America, In America, we watch football games. We don't watch basketball games. We watch highlights. The numbers don't lie.

Until you get to the conference finals of the NBA, even playoff games. You watch a quarter, you watch the end, wake me in the last three minutes. We do not watch professional basketball outside of a three-week period. What we do is we watch the highlights of it. It's weird. I mean, I think you could make an argument think culturally, how you ever you want to quantify that. basketball is the number one sport in America. Not TV ratings, obviously, not attendance,

because football stadiums are huge, but culturally. You go to like a music festival. You're going to see a lot of guys in NBA jerseys. That's right. You're going to go anywhere. I mean, I wear my NBA jersey to the grocery store. Whatever. But for some reason, the games,

there's a disconnect on the NBA and fans that I don't get. People love Kyrie Irving. You and I see him as like, I mean, if you're drafting a team in the NBA, he's not like a top 20 pick for me. Oh, no, absolutely not. No way. Again, in football, we bet it, we watch it.

It's about winning. Don't forget fantasy. In fantasy. Basketball, a lot of the draw is stylistically. And that's okay. Every sport's different. Baseball's about history. Basketball's about style.

Football's about winning. Yeah, style, like go to Instagram followers. The top 20 guys in the NBA, destroy the top 20 NFL. It's not even close. Football's about winning. Basketball's about style. Baseball's about. history. We love both, though. I watched the NBA every night. I watched it again last night.

All right. Did you watch the Bucks last night? Next story. Fifteen straight victories, Colin. Yonis had 33 and 15. After the game, he was asked whether he thinks his level of play has been taken for granted. Look at that. Flop. Yeah, and that's okay. I don't think I'm the first. I don't think I'm the last. You see all this greatness every day and they take it for granted until they're not there no more. I just got to keep going out there, enjoying the game of basketball, because when I stop enjoying the game of basketball, the game is done. I got to keep on enjoying, keep on building,

keep on trying to win games. I can't control what other people think. If they take it for granted, I can't control that. I don't take it for granted. I love him. He's starting to become, like, one of those guys that you really like a lot. Yeah, they're the best team in the league, and their front office has figured it out. So they don't really

haven't necessarily as a defined two. You know, it's like, some nights it's Drew, sometimes it's Chris. I mean, Jay Crowder will have big games, Joe Ingalls. They've got a lot of guys who can become that too on any given night. Brooke Lopez has big nights. Whereas the Warriors were always a little bit of that.

By the way, it's not Stefan Clay anymore. Sometimes it's Stefan Wiggins. Sometimes it's Stefan Poole. I mean, Draymond Green will disappear. Then it'll be huge against the Celtics in the finals. So whereas the Celtics, it's Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown. I know. And by the way, with the sons, it's going to be Kevin Durant.

and Booker. The Bucks can give you a lot of different looks. You shut down. Brooke Lopez will have these odd games where he's hitting jumpers, and then all of a sudden, Middleton does nothing, and Drew Hollidays on fire. And watch, Joe Engels will end up having a playoff game where he drops 24. He'll have one of those nights.

So I think the Warriors and the Bucks, you can stop elements, even their star. Steff has a bad night. Yonis is off. They can just keep giving you layers of buckets, and that's why my prediction today, Golden State Milwaukee in the finals. Interesting. I got to be careful how I phrase this, but the Milwaukee Bucks column, they got one title with Yannis. Do you remember that what happened in the playoffs that year?

He was great. He was great in the finals. He was amazing against Phoenix, which shouldn't have got by the Lakers, but AD went down. That's another story. So they're facing the Nets. They're down to nothing. They lose the first two games against the Nets by like, I think 40. Kyrie Irving gets injured.

James Hardin's hamstring. Kevin Durant's toe on the line That's how close the bucks were To not winning a title So I love Janus He's a very good player Couldn't I argue I'm gonna need to see one more

Before I elevate him into like I'll take it for granted Well I mean let's let's be honest about It's not easy to win NBA titles The Kansas City Chiefs Came within one pass of Garoppolo Of never having a Super Bowl Until this year

I think when you get to championships It's always inches I can go back to you know, Georgia, Alabama, Tuah, throw to the corner. I think when you get to championships, that's why, like, if you win, you win, Kansas City beat Philly.

It's over. You win, you win. A majority of these championships, even the Buck Celtics last year, I picked the Warriors, I think, in six. After three games, I'm like, oh, I made a mistake. Yeah. I mean, they could, Robert Williams was just a fly swatter.

I mean, listen, the Chiefs have been to three Super Bowls now, I think five straight up. You're saying you don't think the buck's title was worthy? No, it was, but I'm just saying... It's not their fault. Brooklyn couldn't stay healthy. Well, Kyrie's heard it in the postseason all the time. Well, that's their fault.

We'll see what happens. I'm going to go with the Celtics in the East. Oh, okay. Over the buck. I can't wait for that series. But by the, you said the number one seed's not that important? Colin, you don't want to have to face the Sixers in the second round. Oh, God.

You're buying into that nonsense? Flaky? They're flaky. I don't buy an listen I like Darry I like the roster I do not trust them I told you if you gave me Miami

in Philadelphia seven game series I'll take Spolstra That might be a first round series And by way Philly's got better players I'll take Miami Every day twice on Sunday

Not a Doc Rivers believer They're a great They're a better close team They've got better situationally They're way better defensively They've been there before Miami's going to knock somebody off

And it's not going to be Boston And I don't think it's going to be Milwaukee You watch Miami knock off Philadelphia in the playoffs. They could play 3-6 in the first round. That would be bad. They blow up the Sixers. We'll do Joel and B.J.

What would you take in that series? Spolstra. I need some more time. I need some more time. Butler, I'm a Jimmy Butler guy. I know. Final story. Let's go back to the NFL.

Daniel Jones and Seekwan Barclay are both set to become free agents. The Giants have been clear they want both guys next year. No, boy. No deals have been agreed to. But GM, Joe Shane is hopeful the team can re-sign both players and avoid using their franchise tag on either one of them. This is sounding like insanity, Colin. You're going to sign both of these guys?

What? I think it's, we have a trend now that I think's real. I think you could do Daniel Jones on a franchise tag and draft a quarterback in the second or third round. The question for the Giants is, or do you sign Sequan on a franchise tag? Running backs don't like that. So then what do you do with DJ? They're not getting rid of him.

You said yesterday, gee. No Smith is going to come back to the pack in Seattle. What's Daniel Jones going to do next year? Well, Daniel Jones has hit his ceiling, probably. So he'll be coming to back to the pack as well? Well, I mean, the guy averages 15 touchdowns a year, passing touchdown. That's what he is. Now, could he get to 22 next year if they upgrade the O line and receivers?

I think the ceiling's pretty low. I think it's, again, if you take out one team, the Minnesota Vikings who the Giants played twice, and they were the worst defense in the NFC, if you take out Daniel Jones games against that one team twice, look at his numbers. I don't think, I'll be honest, I don't think he's as talented as Mac Jones.

Matt, now he's a better run. You have a weird affinity for Mac Jones. It's not a weird affinity. Go look at Mac Jones. You think he's good. He's not. Go look at Mac Jones rookie numbers. With no number one receiver.

He's been a lot of bad teams and bad defenses and backup quarterbacks. Oh, boy. You're starting to sound like a fan. Who'd you be? You got a win NFL games. I am a Jet's. I've been texting with a lot of people at the combine. I missed a call from somebody who's there currently.

The quarterback name that I keep hearing to keep an eye on is Max Duggan from TCU. There are a lot of the traits. A lot of the traits that he has in some of the numbers, the starts, the running ability. I'm not saying he's going to be a Jalen Hertz or a Russell Wilson or a Dack, but those are all guys drafted second, third, fourth round who came in and instantly could contribute. Well, I think I said this on the show during the football season, that he felt like he could be the Brock Purdy of next year. He's more talented than Brock Purdy.

But if you're the Giants, you've got to draft a quarterback in like second and third quarterfirm. Well, the problem with them is they have so many needs outside a left tackle on the O line and so many needs at receiver and tight end that they can't waste a third pick. So to me, the Giants, I really like what they're doing. Max Duggan's not going to be available in the fourth round. He's probably going to be an early third or a late second pick. But I think I would draft somebody like that. So, Colin, Jimmy Garapolo, would you give him a three-year deal?

They're not going to do that. Daniel Jones is their guy in the Mara family. They're going to roll with it. I'm telling you right now, they see Eli Manning with wheels. That's what they see. They see Eli Manning. They're saying, oh, Eli's fourth year, that's when he... We're not doing it.

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You've got to be careful about saying, well, you know, don't forget this quarterback did that. In the last seven or eight years, it's different. First of all, all the rules are offense. So I'm not waiting four years for you to pop as a quarterback. All the rules in the last seven years have gone offense. Secondly, this generation of quarterbacks, including Daniel Jones, went to passing a academies, had 10,000 snaps by the time he was like a sophomore in high school or college. It's different now.

You do not get four years in this generation. The world has changed. It was years ago. I mean, Peyton Manning, it was, I forget what year it was. It could have been year three or four. Peyton Manning was awful. He had like 30 picks. Those days are over.

You got 30 picks in year four. You're not the guy. So when people say, well, it took Eli this or that. It's a different time, different rules. you could grab wide receivers, you could slam quarterbacks into the turf, you could do a lot defensively, you can't do now. Ten years ago, the middle of the football field was the defenses. Nobody wanted to go over the middle of the field 10, 12 years ago, no receivers.

That is now the offense. That's their field. You can't hit anybody. So it's completely changed the game. Everybody's willing to go over the middle. They all want to go over the middle because that's where the yards are, not just up the sideline like 10, 12 years. ago in the NFL. So the reality is

I don't care about what Eli did. Daniel Jones, this is what he is. With the best, best young offensive coach out there, this is what he is. They don't have much to work with. I'll say that. Good left tackle. Nice running back. That's about it.

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There's Tom Brady considerations in San Francisco. Mike Silver said to me the other day on my podcast. He said, Silver said, Brady and the Niners makes too much sense. They don't know if Brock Purdy's going to be ready. Was he lightning in a bottle last year? They don't know if Trey Lance can play. And Garoppolo's out.

Forget the Garoppolo thing. Kyle, John Lynch, he's out. So there's room. John Lynch said yesterday, we're considering a veteran quarterback to bring in. And it is interesting. J-MAC just brought this up. How many current NFL quarterbacks have won a Super Bowl?

It's hard. Mahomes. Stafford. Russell Wilson. Aaron Rogers. Nick Foles. Joe Flacco. But they're distant backups.

Yeah. And those guys could be out of the league tomorrow. They might retire. I mean, let's be on. honest about this. We got four high-end guys, three of them not with their same team. So Brady is a really valuable player. By the way, career high NFL record in attempts and completions last year. They had no run game in Tampa at all. So, and it is interesting is that Brady appeared on this show, I don't know if it was a month ago, and said, hey, I'm going to, I'm going to take a year

off. I'm not going to do the broadcasting thing yet for Fox Sports, which is up to him. And I get it. But Mike Silver, who covers the San Francisco 49ers, was telling me a couple days ago, it's like, it just makes too much sense. This is a plug-in-play offense. Tom knows it. And Brady, when I asked him about retirement, this is not exactly, this feels fuzzy to me when I asked him, are you done playing? The future is very hard to predict for all of us. I mean, nothing's really guaranteed. But I think you just take it day by day.

I'm super excited. I really am. I think there's a lot of great things ahead. And I think you need to create space for those things, too. And, you know, when one thing ends, naturally other opportunities present themselves. And, you know, I don't try to make predictions. And sometimes I'm really good with certainty. And I think in this case, I'm good with a little bit of uncertainty,

even though I have some great opportunities in my professional life ahead. He says, I'm pretty good with uncertainty, meaning I'm not sure what's going to happen. He said it. It was pointed out to me that he said that after he said it. At the time he was saying it, I just kind of listened to the answer, but he said, I'm okay with a little uncertainty. That means everything's out there. Everything outside of the Fox broadcasting for a year, everything is out there. This is the best roster in the NFL.

Tom doesn't need the money. Parents are aging. Ready to win. Rams wobbly. Aaron could be leaving the conference. I'm just saying, if you connect the dots, I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah. Look at the other quarterbacks out there, Colin.

I just looked up. Any idea how many playoff wins Deshaun Watson has in his career? One? He's one and two in his playoff career. That's it. He got a fully guaranteed contract. I love Lamar Jackson. Ravens don't want to pay him.

You know how many playoff wins he has? One. That's it. Like, it's hard to win in the post season with Brady sitting there. It makes all the sense in the world for the Niners to just be like, Tom, come on, dude. Well, and I also think when you're an obsessed workaholic, which, and I don't, want to call Tom. He is obsessed. I mean, almost everybody that's graded anything, Elon Musk is sometimes obsessed with his mission, whatever his mission is. And I think it's

very hard for those people to shut it off. And again, it's not like Tom is Favv at the end where it's like, yeah, this doesn't look great. You know, I mean, like certain guys, and Farrb wasn't bad at the end. I mean, he was pretty good from Minnesota. But I felt like when Brett said goodbye, he wasn't willing to. learn a new system. He's kind of a stubborn guy. He's like, I'm not going to learn a new system. Tom's got no problem of that. Tom's seen every offense, every defense. So he's not, he's aged well, not just physically, but emotionally. A lot of people get old and they want to go to a country club, play bridge, and they don't want to try anything new. They go to the same four pasta

restaurants. That's who they are. That's not who Brady is. That Brady is one of those kind of adapters. He likes new stuff. You and I have talked about this. We're both semi-entrepreneurial. we're not really history guys. We're more about what's cool tomorrow. Brady is very much, and that's his person. There's nothing wrong with either, but Farv was a good old boy. I'm going to go down to the south and I'm going to go hunt and hang out. That's not what Tom is.

Tom's your classic California. He's looking for the new adventure. So I think it makes a lot of sense. I don't think it's crazy. He gave you the answer. I'm willing to live with some uncertainty. Uncertainty means I'll do anything outside of the Fox Broadcasting, which he acknowledged. I'm not going to do that for a year.

It's out there. I think you have to consider it. It is also, I think, fascinating, and it happens all the time. There was about a 10-year period. No, about a 15-year period. The Eastern Conference in the NBA was Dreck. It was just awful. It was like the Miami Heat would be good.

Everything else was a wreck. Now the East has Milwaukee, well-run, great team. Boston, well-run. Cleveland, really interesting. Miami Heat, well-run. You've got like some really formidable teams at the top. Now the West, which forever had like a dominant. it top four, a great top three.

That's all wobbly. The dynasty, I think I think the Warriors could win it this year. I do think I'd probably pick Milwaukee over Golden State if they met in the finals. But now the West is wide open. And you go through this all the time, right? Outside of the Big Ten where it's been Ohio State, Michigan for most of my life, you know,

it's cyclical. It ebbs, it flows. And so I think right now in the NFC, it's bad. There's a lot of bad teams. And just the way it is. For years and years, the NFC has always gotten bigger. ratings for Fox because it's the bigger markets. You know, it's a lot of of Atlanta's and now you've got, you know, Chicago, Philadelphia, New York.

Whereas the AFC, you've got a lot of, you know, Nashville's, Cincinnati's, Jacksonville's. You know, there are a lot of, even the Chargers are the second team in Los Angeles, right? So, you know, the NFC always has a lot of viewers and it's got big blue bloods and brands and the Packers. But in the end, right now, it's a bad quarterback conference. the NFC. I mean, if Aaron just said tomorrow, I'm retiring,

who's the best quarterback in the NFC? I mean, I'll say what you, say what you want. Jared Goffs in the discussion. I'm not, he's certainly in the top three or four. If everybody's healthy, it's probably Stafford or Jalen Hertz. Stafford, I think, has more natural talent, and Jalen Hertz has more talent. But in terms of just sitting back in the pocket and distributing the football,

Jared Goff's really good. It's a really nice NFL quarterback. Dak or Jared Gough? Jared Gough. It's been to a Super Bowl. I've seen him out-dull in a 45-35 shootout, out-duel Mahomes. Kirk Cousins or Jared Gough? Jared Gough easy.

Wow. A lot of love for Gough. It's a number one pick. And the Rams kicked him to the curb. Didn't kick him to the curb. They sent him. Shift him to Detroit. It's like purgatory.

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