The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Kyrie Irving wants attention

Episode Date: May 25, 2023

Colin discusses Kyrie Irving's recent comments Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers, the Jets, and the rest of the NFC North   Guest: Alex EnglishSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Oh, here we go. Live in Los Angeles, hour two, it's the hurt. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening. Thanks for making an us part of your day. Alex English, all-time leading score in Denver Nuggets history. 15 years in the NBA, eight-time All-Star, led the Nuggets to nine straight playoff appearances. Got to the Western Conference finals, mid-80s, excuse me.

played 70 plus games in every single year after his rookie year. But not one of the top 75 players. Yeah, okay, sure. Do you remember hit the point guard on his team? Fat lever. Yeah, oh, wow, you got it. I didn't think you'd remember. Those were a fun team.

Love that name. Doug Moe was the coach. Doug Moe, yeah, the logo for Denver was like the downtown. Skyline. Love that logo kind of guy. Milwaukee Bucks, I have that hat from the 80s. I think that 80s logo. I could be wrong, had the tower, the airport tower in it.

The airport's now 45 minutes away, so that's no longer the downtown skyline. Yeah, those teams were a lot of fun. I remember them very well. We didn't have as much, you didn't have as many games on TV. Yeah, and they were never national TV games. No, but you'd look in the paper every day as a kid, you know, or younger back in the 80s, which is, you know, 40, 45 years ago. And I can remember looking in the paper and it was like, who's Alex English?

She had like 32 points, 29 points. And again, he wasn't a flashy player. So, like, you know, Dr. Jay, I knew who he was very early, or like an old wilt. They were just so iconic. Alex is just one of those guys, very much like Yokic. You got to watch it to get it. Yeah. Have you ever been to Denver?

I've never been there. I'm curious. Oh, yeah. Good city? Yeah, it's a great city. I'm not a ski guy. The Lodo district downtown, lower downtown district, baseball stadium. Your knowledge of, like, a lot of.

of these western cities is pretty pretty impressive i got to say no i've been to all of them well i'm new out here so i haven't been to any of them really i went Seattle's so yeah the last one i didn't go to the last one i had not been to it was a small town was jackson hole Wyoming i took my kids there yeah oh my god what about bend oregon have you been there unbelievable i've heard so many people and oregon is amazing yeah amazing i've been all men they're fun what the west although i will say this In the northeast, when I lived there, my wife and I would go to Portland, Maine, and all these little Kent, Connecticut. And there's amazing towns you can drive through in the fall in Connecticut, New York. New York's got, you know, you go up to, there's parts of New York.

Like New York City. That's kind of amazing. And they make some of the best white wines. You ever, you ever gone to the Military Academy, Army Academy on the Hudson, West Point? that is one of the most amazing days I've ever spent my life. West Point in the fall, if you ever, if you live, if you ever have a chance to go there and you can get a pass for a day to go to West Point on the Hudson, it is absent.

And they have this hotel that's made a brick, which you need because it's so cold in the winter. That was one of those days. I felt like I was literally sitting. That's what I miss about the Northeast. I was sitting in history. Fall in the Northeast. The British are coming around and you're on,

I mean, seriously, the history of it. Here you are on the point so we could, you know, see the British coming around. The foliage in the fall. Oh, it's absolutely. The dew in the morning. It's not cold, but it's not. It's just, I love the northeast in the fall, yeah. All right.

Kyrie Irving's very upset. He is very upset about you, the public, going on social media and talking about him. Here is Kyrie Irving yesterday. I'm a free agent this summer, but I am in no rush to make a decision. and the speculation around my name from all these individuals that get on TV and have these personalities, all these people that have, you know, these platforms. And I'm talking about the TV personalities, the sports folk that try to mix sports with politics and lifestyle and shit like that. Like when they speak on my name and they're talking about potential teams that I'm going to,

can y'all please? I respectfully, like, I'm asking, please stop. paying attention to that. A little bit of narcissism here. Stop paying attention to me. I'll be sitting courtside tonight at a Lakers game. You see this in Hollywood all the time. Be list actors call their agent.

Get me on the list at Craigs. It's a big popular restaurant, paparazzi everywhere. And then they complain, I just want privacy. Sure you do, champ. It's the people that tell you they're going to get off Twitter. You know, the people that tell you, This place is a hell site.

Three weeks later, they're back on, tweeting six times as much as they used to. They just needed attention. I always said, Yokic, he's not on social media. He's too busy playing the game to play the game. And so you can always put your phone down, Kyrie, you can always turn off television, although I know this show is hard not to watch. It is really good. But that kind of feels like.

one of those, would you guys stop paying attention to me? Call your agent, front row seats, LeBron Lakers. Of course, we're going to speculate on you. You're a great player. You've played with LeBron. You won a title. You're at the games. What do you want us to do?

If you go to a popular restaurant on sunset, that's a big street, you know. It goes from the Pacific Ocean, basically, through Hollywood, Beverly Hills, Bel Air. through all the way. If you're out of popular restaurant in a Friday night there, there's going to be a paparazzi because that's how they make a living. And so if you're a movie star, go on a Tuesday night. Nobody's there. But if you go on a Friday, Saturday, you're going to have paparazzi. And don't, don't complain. Stop. I just want privacy. Or I'm leaving Twitter. You just want attention. That's fine. You don't need to announce you're leaving Twitter. There's 95 million Americans on Twitter, they're going to be just fine without any of us.

Except maybe Elon Musk. He's made it very, very interesting. All right, Alex English coming around the corner. So, you know, it is, when I do this show, one of the things that cracks me up, because Jay Mack's been on the show through the football season, about six months or so. And people, I had a guy last night. Oh, I love Jay Mack on the show. And everybody goes, oh, he's like your brother, your little brother who holds you

accountable. And I kind of like that. but the one thing I'll say I have to be careful is that because I am older than J. Mack, he is not aware of a lot of what happened in the 70s unless it was Northeast. But did you, have you ever seen Alex English play? Have you ever seen a highlight? I'm older than you think. And yes, I can name like just about any NBA player from 1985, 1986.

That's why I know Fat Lever. Dude, I was playing on a Nerf hoop in my basement. and I would have the rosters written out and I would score a bucket Alex English for two and I put down two points for Alex English Lafayette Lever, fade away. Like I was a hardcore nerd.

I love basketball. Well, it's interesting. So I had some baseball cards but the reason I was more of a basketball fan is because, you know, when you were a kid and you'd go get chewing gum, you'd get that one bad, hard piece of chewing gum. Tops.

The store, it was like an antique store, a convenience store in my tiny town, often had NBA cards. And so I started collecting NBA cards. And it was weird. I could tell always as a kid, they were always fascinating. Because I could never tell who took the pictures of baseball players. But for some reason, whoever took the pictures of the NBA players,

I could tell was based in Washington, D.C. Because it was always, you could tell from the floor, and you'd have Washington at the time bullets in the background. of the picture. So as a kid, I was always fascinated. Who's the guy or the lady doing NBA trading cards? Because they were all based in D.C. You could tell it was always at one arena. And so one of the, I was talking about this the other day. Somebody asked me the other day. Actually, it was two days ago. Somebody asked me, who are your favorite teams? And I said, well, he said, who's your favorite baseball team? I said, well, it was the Cincinnati Reds.

And he said, why? I said, because when I was a kid, they were always on TV. They had Pete Rose, Joe Morgan, Johnny Bench, Ken Griffey, Senior, Dave Concepcion, says, our Geronimo, I can name the whole starting staff, Jack Billingsley, Fred Norman, Don Gullet. Okay, they were on TV. He said, who's your, is a kid? Who's your favorite basketball team? And I said, well, it was the Sonics, because they were, when I was a kid growing up, they were on TV, you'd get local games and local radio. And he's like, well, who's your, you know, who's your favorite football team? and I said when I was a little kid it was the Washington football team because I thought they were Washington State.

When I was a little kid, they would show the Capitol. And I lived an hour from Olympia, Washington, which was the Capitol. But the point being in all three instances, my favorite team was based solely on what was presented to me on television. And also, I liked basketball, probably more than baseball, because it's what was presented to me by the trading card at the convention. convenience store. So I say this to young broadcasters all the time. Just be on platforms. You're going to be introduced, you're going to introduce yourself to people on these platforms. And there's going to be an eight-year-old kid like me. The only reason I like the Cincinnati Reds, George Allen's Washington football team, the Seattle Sonics was because they were presented to me. Geographically, I like the team in the Midwest.

I like the team in Seattle. I like the team in the nation's capital 3,000 miles away. They were all presented to me. Make yourself available. So what's interesting is Alex English, two of the lot of the country coming up next, was not presented to a lot of people. The Denver Nuggets, the knock on them is,

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Alex English have done now. 15 years, eight straight ulcer appearances, and what's interesting is, much like Yokic, he was a second round pick as well. So he didn't come in as a top pick, a flashy player, he didn't have a flashy game. So I've said

before, he's the most overlooked player in league history. He led the 80s in scoring. You don't seem like a bitter guy. I'm talking to during the brain. Have you ever thought to yourself once? Hey, pay attention to me. I led the league. in scoring for a decade? You know, I would love to be able to say that,

but you would think that people that know the game, basketball aficionados, they would know that. And when they do all this voting, they would look at the record. But, you know, I played during an era when there wasn't television, you know, there wasn't the Internet. So it was word of mouth and people getting a game

every now and then. ESPN came and they got to see. more of our games. Yeah. So you look at what has happened to the game, Alex. Hall of Fame forward, Alex English. It's gotten very global. The European players initially were more finesse, highly skilled. They've gotten more physical. The knock on them for years is they weren't physical. They were skilled. I think our domestic players have gotten more skilled. They've gotten more physical. But what do you make of Yokic and the international part of the game? could you have predicted that?

Because when you were in the league, it was a domestic product. Are you surprised the popularity of it and how many great international players, Alex, there are? Well, I'm not surprised. You know, you've got to look at all the other countries that play basketball, and there's got to be at least one or two elite players in that country. And as you've seen over the years, you know, there's been two or three. I know when I played, my last year, we played against Tony Cooper.

coach and his team in the McDonald's, the first McDonald's European game against an American team. And it was, you know, they were pretty good. They were a pretty good squad. I think three or four those guys came over to play in the NBA. But there were, there were a few guys that played, that came from overseas. But now you see the elite players from different countries. They are coming and they're standing out. You got to, you know, you got to look at Jokovic, Ante Cumpur. and Donchitz, you know, there's just so many great players, even though they're probably the elite for their country. But when you come to the NBA and you're one player, you can be very exceptional on the squad. Could Yokic and his style have fit in your era?

Oh, man, I would have loved to play against with Yolkits. You know, the way he sees the game. In fact, I think that the, I think that the Denver Nuggets today are very similar. to the way we played. They play off of, they don't just play plays. They play off of passes, you know, where the ball is and cuts. And Yolch is just so good at making you pay for making mistakes. You know, he's a big guy. I call him point center. Yeah. He can handle the ball. He brings the ball up the floor. He makes threes. He makes his team better. Every player on the floor is better because Yokic sees the game the way he does. And, uh, You know, that's the kind of player that you select as an MVP, someone that makes their players, the other players around them better.

And Yokic has done that his whole career. You know, the advantage to having his personality where he's not from the country, he's not on our social media, I mean, I guess it's available for everybody. The advantage is this league can be very distracting to young players. All the money, all the shoes, all the commercial, all the branding. and your team in Denver didn't get the publicity, so you were a very focused team for over a decade. Tim Duncan, not a wildly dynamic player, a great player. I look at Denver and I think, outside of Jamal Murray,

it's not a flashy team, and I actually think that's an advantage. They won't have the egos of a Kobe Shack dynasty, right? Like, when you were in Denver, it's a football town. It's not really, right? I mean, I kind of look at Denver and I'm like, oh, this is the Spurs. I mean, go back to... It was John Elway City.

Oh, it was? It was John Elway City. The Denver Broncos, they were a good squad. You know, I think they even went to the Super Bowl that year, one of those years. But, you know, the Denver Nuggets, we were just a team that played basketball. We played a different brand. We played a brand. We played the brand that they play now.

Yeah. They pushed the ball up the floor. They moved the ball on offense. There are a lot of cuts. And you play off of where the pass goes. And that's how we played. That's the way the Denver Nuggets play now. And, you know, when you play reeds, you can't really guard a person because they have,

they have the liberty to go wherever they need to go based on the paths. Yeah. And based on who's got the ball. Yeah. You know, it's interesting in the Michael LeBron debate. I always think LeBron's a little more like magic. Kobe is a little more like Michael. He's a more attacking player.

But there is this feeling. people always say, well, if LeBron played in the old days with a hand check, and I'm like, listen, good is good as good as good. Go back. It would still be great. It would still be great. You've got to admire what he's done, how he's played the game all these years. I can remember when I was 35, 36 in my 15th year, it was a struggle to go out and produce

like you produce when you're younger. And, you know, with the exception of maybe a step or too slower, he's still producing and still a pretty solid basketball player. Yeah. You played for two years under Don Nelson. Don Nelson is a guy that was kind of known as a little ahead of his time. Now he's, I think, in the cannabis business in Hawaii. But what was Don like?

Good for him. Good for him, is right. Very good for him. What was it like to play under Don? It was similar to Doug Moe. He had a lot more structure in his offense. And, you know, he was the first coach that gave me the opportunity to play. And he saw that, you know, that I was a pretty decent player, you know,

because that second year I was there, I almost got cut. Wow. But he and Wayne Embry saw something in me and said, okay, we're going to keep this player. They kept me. And, you know, it was a great career for me. But he was a lot like Doug Moe in that he went with the flow of the offense. You know, expected you to play defense. but he had a flow where you went, you pass the ball, and you go, you read where the ball went,

and everybody cut after that. You know, it's interesting. You played with Fat Lever and Dan Issell, very offensive-minded guys, and sometimes it's hard to share the ball. But Doug Moe wanted points and pace, so it wasn't that hard. But when I watched Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown, they're both wings. And I say, the Heedles, LeBron and D. Wade were not a perfect fit. but they were so darn good, they just burrowed their way to championships.

When I watched Tatum and Jalen Brown, I'm like, they're not perfect. I wish one was a true point. Are they good enough to just burrow through it and win championships? If Boston this year, like the sixth year of these guys, they get beat by Miami, Alex, you know this game. Would you keep going for it? Or would you say to yourself, guys, this tandem is just doesn't quite work. Well, I would.

I think you have to give them an opportunity. And sometimes it's not just those star players. If the other players around them as well, they've got to contribute as well. And you look at the Denver Nuggets team. You've got Yolkich and Murray who produce a lot of the points. But they are not the one that make the team the way it is. Right. It's those other guys around them, Contavius Carwell Pope, great outside shooter.

Gordon, just strong going to the basket, a defender, and then the guys coming off the bench. They're solid. You know, they've just got a strong squad and a lot of players that play around those guys that make them the team that they are. And I think the coach doesn't put pressure on them to say, okay, Yolkich has got a score, Murray's got to score. whoever's got the ball in the position to score, they score with the ideal and understanding that those two guys are your main guys. But those other guys around them, I mean, any night with the nuggets, it could be anybody's night.

Davey's Carwell post last game hit some big threes. Yeah. You know, Michael Porter Jr., great shots from the outside. Gordon, inside, playing tough defense. it was all those other guys that made that team, make that team the best that it is. And, you know, it's not just Yokets. It's great and should have been MVP this year.

But you've got to look at Murray, man. He's a true superstar. Yeah. You know, Alex English joining us, Hall of Fame Forward, who I've talked about multiple times on this show. So Jimmy Butler's a fascinating player. His average goes up significantly in the playoffs. All right.

he's one of those guys that he doesn't quite get the credit his game isn't smooth you had a smooth game some guys i mean kairie irving's game he rolls out of bed and can hit a jumper right some guys are smooth Kobe Bryant and then there's guys like jimmy butler who just compete their butt off and you look up and they got 34 go back to your years a guy that wasn't pretty it wasn't fluid and you just couldn't stop him Alex he just you look up and you hated playing You know, Bernard, Dominique Wilkins once told me, he never minded facing MJ. He hated facing Bernard King. He goes, I couldn't sleep.

So did that. So is that? Bernard King. Bernard King was just rough. He was only 6-5-6, 6. But he was, when he played, he played very rugged like. You know, when he was on the break, if you didn't get out of his way, he would run over you. And he was just a tough guard.

one of the toughest guys. Another guy, Marcus Johnson, another one of those players that played tough basketball would get to the hole to shoot the outside jump shot. We're doing my era. It was the era of the small four. So every night I played, there was somebody on the other side that was going to give you numbers or are they going to guard you defensively. I mean, Dennis Rodman, James Worthy, Purvis Short.

There were a lot of guys. Mike Mitchell. So there were a lot of guys every night that came out to play and that would give you numbers at that position. But, you know, there's some of those guys that play hard every night. Fat Lieber, you know, one of my teammates, he was one of those guys that you just, you didn't really pay attention until the end of the game and you see he's got a triple double. Yeah. If you played today, have you ever looked and thought, man, I was born too early?

I can't do that. I cannot do that because it would mess with my head. You know, the amount of money that these guys get paid for what they do. Yeah. It's amazing to me. I congratulate them and I hope they make all the money that they can make. But the game of basketball has progressed and, you know, it's an international game and it's probably the best watch sports-wise out there for the year.

So, yeah, I don't go there. I don't think about what if I was playing today. I know my game would probably have to have been different because, you know, there are a lot of guys that played like I play with mid-range game. They have to shoot outside jump shots now. They've forgotten the mid-range game. Yeah. By the way, if I drove the lane and kicked it out to you,

could you still hit a 17-footer? Well, I think so. You never forget that. Alex English. What a pleasure. Great talking to you. Great meeting you for the first time. Thanks, Alex. Okay, and we'll see you at the championship parade. All right. There you go right there. He's called it, baby, Nuggets Championship Parade in the Lodo District. That was fun for me. I watching that old video of Alex English, he was a bucket, man. That guy was a bucket. He could get some buckets, yeah. Yeah. It's just smooth players, silky smooth, effortless.

Always shot the ball up here. He was long. I was never a single-digit guy as like a jersey number. Oh, I love him. But he had just the number two. It was like, okay, that looks cool. Jeter, too. I like single-digit. So if we had jerseys on this show, what number would you be?

Number one. That was obnoxious. No ego whatsoever. Love it, love it. That was obnoxious. J-Mac with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the herd line news. You didn't ask, but I'm 30. For Steph Curry. For Steph Curry. obviously. That's the number I'd work. I'm wearing my men's league, baby. 30? Yeah, we won by 27 in our opener. No game this weekend, holiday.

Okay. Everybody cares about that. All right, let's start with the team that Alex English's nuggets knocked off the Lakers. Couldn't get off a shot in the final seconds. LeBron kind of got sworn by Jamal Murray and Aaron Gordon. It was a good defensive play. Former Laker Kwame Brown, remember him? He is not happy with LeBron's decision on that play,

and he did not hold back going after LeBron on the gram. If I had LeBron James Jersey, I'll be burning it right now. If I had LeBron James Jersey, it'll be on fire right now. LeBron, you're not that, bro. I'm sorry. I can't hate to say it. You're a stat sheet junkie. You're a bad boy when it comes to stats.

Throughout history, people are going to, you know, the little nerds are going to look up your stat line, and they're going to say, he got to be the greatest player that ever played the game. and people who actually play are going to know. That is bull. With all due respect to Kwame Brown, him criticizing LeBron's game. Really? Do you remember the story about Kwamey Brown?

Oh, yeah. Michael Jordan, the great Michael Jordan, drafted him first in Washington. And he was just a colossal bust. Right. In a weird turn of events, he was renting a house in the D.C. area that a family friend owned.

And apparently, Kwame Brown, you know, he never really lived. on his own. Yeah. He would just come home wearing his suits to games and just literally put them on a pile in the corner. Did not hang them up or anything. And he was just like an 18 year old getting berated by Michael Jordan Daly. And I think that's what's made him like a hardened, angry dude. If you follow him on social media, I don't. But I see these videos. He's just angry. Well, I think you could ask Ryan Leap. When you're viewed as a number one pick or a number two

pick or a all-time bust, I think it wears on you psychologically. I think that's- He wasn't ready. You talk about this all the time. these young kids. You know what the burden of being a number one pick is? You're the savior of the franchise. And then you fail, and then the greatest player ever rips you. I mean, Michael Jordan was trashing him at practice. No, an amazing book written by a guy.

I think his name was Leahy. Michael Leahy, maybe, when nothing else matters. And it chronicled Jordan, I mean, he would destroy Cromay Brown at practice. I'm talking just the worst stuff you could say to a young kid thinking that's going to motivate him and it backfired. And he just went into a shell. And now he's sitting here trying to rip LeBron? Well, and again, I think

I've thought about this with Ryan Leaf before. If that's your brand. I think it's... It's not a brand. Well, no, I'm not... I don't mean it like that. That's your label. And I think for the Kwame Browns

and the other players like this, like Johnny Mansell is kind of a free spirit. It doesn't bother him that he was a bust. Yeah, because he's probably... Well, whatever. He's doing something. Yeah, well, whatever. I don't know. But I do think it's a lot to carry

to be... I think Kwame Brown's had to carry a lot, and he's probably a little more caustic and abrasive because of that. I don't know him at all, but yeah, I don't follow him, but it's mostly this kind of stuff. There's probably some trauma still there from the early days. We've talked about this. The football culture is better than the basketball culture, because it's not only, it's teaching you how to be coached. You're sacrificing. Basketball culture is fine talent, pay it, and everybody lines up behind the player.

Well, listen, we love football, but the football culture is, hey, NFL, not for long. Go out there, make some tackles, make some plays, and if you don't, you're going. Hey, by the way, we're Zeke Elliott right now. He's not even signed. Like, this guy was the man in the NFL. Cowboys loved him, owner loves him. He's on signed right now. Yeah, but he also made over $100 million.

He made a lot of money, yeah. These athletes make a ton of money. So with these young guys, if you, let's be honest, if you're a top five pick, you often go to a horrible franchise, a bad owner, a terrible GM, and a bad roster. And you get about two years. I heard somebody the other day. We were talking about Jalen Suggs went to Orlando. And everybody's like, oh, he's a bust.

And the average is like 10 points a game. And my takeaway is he's like 20, 21 years old. And he's already like, ah, Jalen Suggs. It's like, he can't order a beer at the hotel he stays at? Can we give these guys three years? It's a very fair point. I like to. I would buy Jailen Suggs.

So would I. But I mean, by the way, he was a great athlete. He was a high school quarterback. Yeah. He goes to Gonzaga for one year, one year of college. in that conference, not the ACC, not the Big Ten. He goes to the Gonzaga Conference,

where he's, you know, I mean, they have, he basically it's an all-star team in that conference and the best coach. And then he goes from that to the worst teammates and the worst team, it's jarring.

You think Jalen Suggs? He goes from literally, not a guy in his conference can even guard him. He was the best player in high school, best player in his conference, best coach in his conference, goes to the opposite of that.

Worst team. Worst roster. And after two years, it's like, well, Jalen Suggs average a nine and a half, he's a boss. He's not good. Can you give me in two years after four, okay? But in two years, if he's averaging, he's smart kid, he's averaging 15 and a half, six or seven rebounds. It's like, he's an NBA player. So even if he was putting up Austin Reeves' numbers, would be like, I don't know, 17 a game.

But Austin Reeves went to college for four years. Actually, five, because he transferred, but he was undrafted. Now he's dominating. Oh, he's the third best player on the Lakers. But again, Alex English, went to college for four years. I remember when Kyle Kuzma came into the league. He wasn't great, but he'd played college for three years, and you could tell he'd spent some time in a wait room.

I mean, that's why Villanova guy is in the NBA. Hard coached, three years, four years in college. Jalen Brunson, they come in hardened, leadership, tough, have played in big games against NBA players in college. Yeah. So, I mean, when you play at Gonzaga, Chet Holmgren He's probably seven inches taller

than most centers he faced I haven't seen a photo of him I wonder if he's bulked up at all He hasn't played basketball in front That's not a bang on Gonzaga Because they go out of their way Out of conference Gonzaga always plays Kansas, Syracuse

Mark Few has always gone They'll go to Maui They always go out of their way To play big schools But Jalen Suggs You gotta give me a break on it Two years in everybody's bailing on him All right over to the NFL

The Giants used their friends franchise tag on Sequin Barkley this offseason. Sequin hasn't signed it yet. And oh boy, Colin, Brian Daibble this week. I don't know if you saw this. But, you know, he sat down and talked to the media, and obviously there's a million questions about Barclay in the contract. Brian Daibble said, I'm not talking about the negotiations.

Here we go. With Seekwan, you know, that situation is going to be between Seekwine and the organization. I'm not going to get into detail with any discussions that we've had on that spot. I'm not going to get into any talks about contracts, what could happen, what can not happen, out of respect to this situation. The tune is changing. Well, you know what? Brian Daywell. You're getting a little tougher this year, Brian.

A little tougher. You talked me in to the Giants last year. This year you don't have to talk me into it. Between the schedule and I think the lack of sealing on Daniel Jones, I think that's one of the absolute locks won't be in the playoffs this year were last year. There's seven new teams every year. I've absolutely pulling the Giants out of the playoffs. Now that Day Bowl's been through this, you think he looks back a few, what, maybe a month ago

and says, geez, why did we do this with Daniel Jones? Do you think he's having any, man, we gave him a lot. Like, what? No. We talked about it for months on the show. What was the market for Daniel Jones if he were to say, if the giant said, hey, go look around, get whatever offer you can get. Is anyone paying him $39 million?

No, and Brian Daibol wouldn't either. It's the owner. Well, you know, at some point, Daibo's got to use the media people that he knows and get that out there because they're kind of getting killed for this. I know Giants fans are hunkered down and they're, it's going to be fine, it's going to be good. Because I see their tweets are all angry at the way we talk about the team on this show.

It's like anybody with a pulse knows Sequin Barclay is more valuable to that team than Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones with no Barclay, Colin? Well, the down... What are they? The downside to overpaying for Daniel Jones. is what it actually does is empower the other good to great players in the roster.

Because you know that Daniel Jones can't win, he's not Mahomes who can go to a Super Bowl and win with eight, nine, ten rookies playing. So Barclay knows, you take me out, this team's a five-win team. Dexter Lawrence knows. So this is what happens when you overpay a quarterback.

The other agents, the other players know, this is, the team now has to, because of that contract, pass to pay the other stars. So the minute you overpay a quarterback, you have given leverage to every other player of note and every agent in the league. I mean, Mahomes, they pay them big money.

They get rid of Tyreek Hill. They're like, we don't need a star receiver. We'll go get Skymore and have a bunch of rookies. That's why, this idea, oh, the Daniel Jones, they have to have Seekwan. Seqon's got all the leverage here. And we like Daibo a lot. I love him.

one of the better offensive minds in the league, probably top six or seven offensive guys in the league. And he's just now up that creek without a paddle. All right, final story. The Washington commanders, remember when they declined Chase Young? They drafted him so high. Declined his fifth year option, back-to-back years with injuries. He's only played in 12 out of 34 games over the last two seasons. Ron Rivera says Young understands why Washington made that decision and how big this year is for the defensive end.

From what I've gotten in our text messages and conversations, hey, he gets it, he understands, and he's going to go out, and I really believe he's going to come in and give us everything he's got. Our intent is to keep our guys, guys that produce for us. We want them to be around, want them to be part of what we're doing. And, you know, so that's pretty much just been the message. And I believe he's adapted to it very nicely, and he's working hard. I'll be excited to see him when he has to be here.

So, again, he's been on top of things. new owner, new faces, new quarterback, good luck. Colin, 2020 draft. Joe Burrow went first. Chase Young went second. Do you remember who went fifth and sixth? Tua went fifth. Justin Herbert went six.

Washington took Chase Young. Now, at the time, Chase Young was a superhero. He was a great edge. Monster. But Justin Herbert going sixth. When they declined Chase Young's fifth year off, what does that say? I mean, that's an awful job by them. That's the difference between winning and losing in this league.

You take Herbert. Ron Rivera is a playoff. He's not going anywhere. That's right. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Line News.

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We all have to kind of temper our expectations for him. It's just, it's different when you're going into a game versus when you're starting a game. And it's going to be a process. but it's going to be, you know, it's going to be exciting for him, for us. And, you know, I don't think any quarterback can truly do it on their own in this league. So it's going to be everybody rallying around him and trying to play at their best of their ability so that he can go out there and perform as good as he possibly can. So I was listening yesterday.

You know, Aaron Jones, the running back came out and said, we're not really a rebuilding team, but Lefleur makes it sound like that. Think about it. They're not rebuilding their staff or their O-line or their run game or their secondary or their linebackers or their D-line, though they did add edge rusher. They needed it. Everybody in the league needs another edge rusher. The only thing they're rebuilding is tied in and wide receiver and they went and got two really, two of the top four tight ends. They went and got in the draft.

They're fine at tied-in. Wide receiver, Christian Watson, Romeo Dobbs. They went and got another kid, I think, got a Mississippi State. they're rebuilding their receiving I don't think they're really rebuilding their tight end core I think they went and upgraded it I think these two guys in college

are both going to play a lot early start and be highly productive Robert Tanya leaving is not like a total rebuild but it is interesting because as I read the quote from Aaron Jones basically saying we're not rebuilding

do you look at the Packers as a rebuilding team well how many wins do they have last year was it nine with nine and eight with Aaron Rogers or eight and nine okay what's Aaron and Rogersworth wins wise, a guy who's won multiple MVP. So that's your take.

Do you think they can be better with Jordan Love than they were last year? But I don't think they'll step back. My takeaway is Jordan Love, three years, will fit better with the offensive pieces. He'll work harder, and we don't have any film on him. So the truth is early, I think he's going to have some success until Thanksgiving, you get tape. I also think that the division's way overrated. I think Detroit's interesting.

They haven't proven they're good. Chicago, I think, is a six-win team. I don't think Justin Field yet has proven he can win. I mean, they had a 10-game losing streak last year. Minnesota's not going to win all those games. Vegas is pulled way back on Minnesota. So if there are a seven-win team, which you think, you think there are a six or a seven-win team. I don't think they're going to be good.

But, of course, there is a world. Now, listen, these are predictions in May. Jordan Love comes out. There's no pressure on him because, guess what? Aaron Rogers is gone. Behind him on the depth chart is somebody named Clifford, the guy from Penn State. Yeah. Like, this is Jordan Love's team.

This is your show. The last couple years, he was like waiting, like, can I get in there? And Rogers was like, no. And now it's his show. So maybe he comes in, no pressure. He's playing and he's delivering. If they win seven games in that division in the NFC, that means they're a five-win AFC team.

That's a realistic opinion. If you came to me and said, Jason, here's $500. You must bet one way over or under on the Packers. I would say under. Can you make a case? What's your case for the over when they refuse to give him fifth-year option and they instead made them sign a new deal where they don't basically pay them as much money my and i don't feel strongly about it chicago's not ready detroit's overbilled

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