The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Lamar Jackson and the Ravens

Episode Date: April 6, 2023

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Let's start with this. You know, in any relationship, there are those seminal moments, right? You know, when you're dating, I don't know how early on it is, but there's that moment where you know, I want to spend every moment with this person or, yeah, this is not going to work, right?

It can be a lot of things. It can be a lot of things You know How they speak to their mother How they look at you How they chew their food Right Some people cry ugly

And it just you can't get over it I'll give you one And this can be with friendship You ever have a friend who looks like he's in pretty good shape And then all of a sudden like you see him run And you're like I can't really be friends with you Because you can't even run

Your gate is all screwed up You run in such unathletic form or you're dating a woman and you work out with her. Like you go for and you're like, wow, she can't even run. That's, I can't do that. These are real things. I guarantee you if you're sitting there going like, yep. No. Oh, yep.

Yep. Yep. Well, there are those moments that tell you you're in or you're out. And then there are those moments that tell you it's over, right? the you want to do the tipping point or really it's the point of no return there's a um this is an interesting aside um and it's you want to make it a humble brag whatever um Darius Rucker is a good friend of mine he has a song that didn't hit okay it didn't hit it's a country song right he's got the hooty stuff he actually had an R&B album that's

really really good and then he went country And I think it was like his second country album. He had a song called, I Got Nothing. Right. And it's basically like a guy sitting there and you want to, like everything in what you're supposed to do as a man is fight for a relationship and beg and plead and try and find a way to make it work. And he's just like, I got nothing. No magic words. I got, I got nothing.

And I think that's where we are with the Ravens and Lamar Jackson. And what's happened is we're going to use, and I say we, I put myself in the media, we're going to use all these things that the Ravens have said against the Ravens, right? We want him to be a raven. We want him to be a way we think. We build around Lamar Jackson. He is our franchise cornerstone. He is like, look, their whole offense was him.

Their whole creation of their offense. was hit, right? Like the whole thing worked together. Why'd they go get so many tight ends? Well, you got a quarterback who isn't particularly accurate. So you get guys with the, and guys that can be hybrid players. They can block a little bit and they can catch. Because when you run an offense with a run-pass threat at quarterback,

in arguably the greatest run-pass threat in the history of the sport. you're going to build the whole thing around him. And there's lots of nonsense argument. Well, the Ravens haven't drafted. Bull! They've drafted during his time as a starting quarterback. Over the last four years, they've drafted two wide receivers in the first round. They drafted J.K. Dobbins, who's an incredible pass-catching running back.

Another wide receiver in the third round. You're like, well, why didn't they go out? First of all, signing these big dollar wide receivers as free agents is. really hard. They don't always hit. And oh yeah, by the way, here's a little thing. They don't want to play with a guy who runs a bunch. You guys remember Eddie Royal? Are you? Okay. Eddie Royal had a pretty good year with the Tim Tebow Broncos. And as a free agent, he signed with the Chargers. And I remember talking to Eddie Royal one time and he was like, dude. And granted, okay, please don't take this and go, oh, you're saying Lamar Jackson is,

Tebow? No, the problem is when a quarterback runs the ball that much, there's just a limitation in terms of the volume of throws and the ability to have yak and, I mean, like, look, he was boys with Hollywood

Brown. Like, they are lifelong friends. And I know Hollywood Brown's not great. I'm not going to sit here, but from Hollywood Brown's perspective, who was their number one talent and their number one ride receiver in a first round draft pick, like he was like, man, I got to go somewhere. where I have a better thrower.

So it's hard to sign a free agent wide receiver. And they've done their best. You're like, well, they haven't supported him. Like, that's not true. They re-sign Ronnie Stanley, left tackle, who's been hurt, to the biggest contract in the history of the sport at the time. Mark Andrews, their great pass-catching tight end. He made more money than anybody's sport.

He got them tight ends. They got them running backs. They got them wide receipts. They built an offense around him. And they're really good. and then there was the, well, they don't want to pay him. Like, no, even Lamar tweeted out that he was offered guaranteed three for 133. Go and look it up.

Okay. Somebody do the math here. Three for one 33. Okay, three into 13 is four. Carry the one. Then it's 13. Three into 13 again is four. That's $44 million on average and change.

Right? Hey, that falls right in line with Josh. and all the other guys. Now it was a five-year deal. The first three years are guaranteed. Like every other quarterback, not named Deshaun Watson. We got to this point where he had an elite-level defense. Two years ago, they had massive injuries.

And they offered him a big-time contract. And he has been steadfast in, I want more guaranteed money than Deshaun Watson. And I totally understand if you, parachuted in or you were in a coma for like 10 years and you said, all right, who's the highest paid quarterback? Who's got the most guaranteed money? Deshaun Watson. Lamar Jackson's up. He's got no off-to-deal baggage. He has zero ACL injuries. Deshawn's had two, right? He's been an MVP. Deshawn hasn't been one. Same number of playoff wins, essentially, right? He should get

$1 more in Garrett. That's how it's always worked. The problem with that argument is, we just talked about Bryce Young being an outlier quarterback. Sean Watson's contract is an outlier quarterback contract. Every other quarterback contract looks, Kyla Murray, you know, even Aaron Rogers' contract, which is obscene amount of money, is basically a front-loaded two-year deal. No one has more than three years truly, fully guaranteed. And there's a way to bridge that gap,

make it look, you know, previously make it look like it's a five-year deal. even though it's a three-year guaranteed, listen to GM's talk, and they'll tell you, had he had an agent, this thing would have been done a long time ago. But for whatever reason, he's sitting there going, no, no, no.

And here's the easiest analogy I can use because it's a real thing right now in the housing market. One year ago, I guarantee wherever you live, definitely where I live, houses were going for obscene amounts of money. Obscene amounts of money. a house that should be $500,000 was selling for $750,000.

Because interest rates were so low and inventory was so low, things were just move, move, move, move, move, move, move. Now, inventory is super low and you can't get that value. You just can't. And Lamar Jackson's the guy who's sitting on a house that's like, man, my house is just the same, if not better than that guy's house. And it's sold for 750 and I want $750. $160,000.

That's what he wants. And they're like, dude, the market won't bear that. Nobody's getting that. Nobody's ever gotten $750 for that house. Nobody's ever gotten $750 except for that one house. Right? You know it is.

Guy comes in from out of town, brings his wife, wife finds a house, loves it. Like, this is the house I want. And they're like, wasn't even on the market, right? How about $750 for it? done, sold. Like they didn't even have a place to live.

They were just like, wait, you're going to give me how much? Take it. Whatever you want. We'll leave the furniture. We'll leave the kids. We don't care. Take it. And Lamar has, again, normally you do comps.

The problem of comps is comps is not just one house. Comps is five houses. So if you take out Deshawn Watson's, you look at the rest of the contract, you're like, ooh, doesn't really make sense. So we've pushed further and further. and I think yesterday was the point of no return. This was Raven's general manager Eric Dacosta

when he was asked if they would draft a quarterback in the first round of the upcoming draft. It depends on the board. It really does. I mean, I'd have to say yes because we have quarterbacks in our top 31. So just based on that alone, simple math, I would have to say yes.

Like the Aaron Rogers thing, okay? The Aaron Rogers thing, very simply made sense to me at the time. Because context matters. Remember, Aaron Rogers was non-committal about how long he wanted to play. He was coming off a season which with a new head coach, Matt LaFleur. There were all these comments about not really enjoying the system. Body language, much like this year, was bad.

And he didn't perform great. You know, I thought he still had his fastball in him. And turns out he won two MVP. and he proved everybody wrong. But the point was at the time, and oh yeah, by the way, Jordan Love was a developmental pick. He was a guy who started two years in college,

had one good year in college, and the thought was, in two or three years, maybe he'll be something. And they're betting, mortgaging everything, betting that he is that guy. But you think about it at the time, what did that do to their relationship?

It destroyed it. Destroyed it. You have Lamar Jackson who, What is he, 25, 26 years old? Like, anybody would say in his prime. And look, I can point out the realities. Like, the reality is, you don't know if he's going to play or not going to play. The reality is, hey, dude, you can get value at that point in the draft, right?

Because the Ravens are never going to be in the top 10. That was the whole Packers thing. We're never going to be able to draft a good quarterback because we're always going to be relatively good. But admitting out loud, hey man. It's the draft board. It's a draft board. It is over. It's over.

Right. You can still wear the rings. You can still be in the same house. You can still that. It's over. Call the attorneys. Figure it how to split it up. And I, again, it's like the,

it's like the real estate agent. Like you can sit there and to your, basically the Ravens are sitting there going like, We can sell your house. I swear we can sell your house. We just can't sell it for $750 or $7.60. We just can't. And I know social media is like,

yes, you can't. No, you can't. You can't. I mean, reality is he's missed 11 games the past two years. And he's missed 11 games in the most important part of the season. If we take him for his word, and I will, that he wasn't healthy, doesn't help his case.

Dudes aren't going to hit you less. You aren't going to be injured less in the next five years when you're in your late 20s as you were your early 20s. He is the best running quarterback of all time. And all running quarterbacks have a shortened career. Forget about the, oh, the whole league doesn't want. Why would the league do a bad business deal again? You don't have to.

somehow like call each other and go, hey, guys, let's, let's just keep these contracts down. Like, no. Go look at the quarterbacks who have played the most consecutive games at the position. Tell me what they all have in common. Go on. Look them up. Look at them up. Like, Philip Rivers is, I believe, second to Aaron Rogers.

Philip Rivers is so, he is a bad athlete. He raised a pregnant woman and came in third. I'll let you figure out that joke in a second. Okay. Philip Rivers. Eli Manning. Payton Manning. Pocket quarterbacks.

Because we can't protect you when you're out of the pocket. There's just no way. We can't do a force field around you. They'd love to. I mean, Cam Newton. Biggest human being I've ever seen play the quarterback position. If you've ever walked up on Cam Newton, you're like, that dude is, and what happened. He took a savage beating. And I understand Lamar doesn't take those kind of hits. But all of

these running quarterbacks are the same. And you factor in, like he hadn't exactly been accurate the past two years. He wants a contract that's a one outlier contract. Like we were sitting there, you're the real estate. You're screaming like, just please, I swear, we can sell your house for $6.50. You just got to come off of the $760 number because your neighbor sold the house when rates were 2%. They're like $6.50. They're like six and a half, seven percent now. Nobody's buying that. It's just not happening. He's like, no, that's what I want.

So you got to move on. He ain't playing for $32 million. I would. But he ain't doing that. Because right now, Lamar Jackson feels personally disrespected. Like, bro, you're going to not even exclusive tag me?

The tipping point, the moment, the the moment or point of no return was yesterday when Eric Dacosta said, hey, yes. If our board aligns with the player

that's available, we will take a quarterback in the first round. It is over. What can we realistically expect from Tiger Woods? He's two over through 10. He's going to make the cut. And what does the golf world think

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It's supposed to be a lot of rain on Saturday. Robert, thanks so much for taking time with us. Tiger just... How are you going? I'm good. Tiger just picked up a bogey on 11, so he's three over through 11. Yeah. What were your personal, having studied him, known him, done all this research?

What were your expectations of this trip to Augusta? I think that a lot of it was honestly going to be weather dependent. Tiger being in the physical shape he's in. I think that when I saw that forecast where we're looking at a very cold and wet, weekend. That was never his deal. Even when he was in his pomp, Tiger was never really a mutter, as we say in the golf game. He liked the warmth. You know, he loved August. He was a hot, given the hot conditions. And you look at his British Open. He did well in the heat, you know. I think with his various injuries, I mean, you know, he's a very banged-up

player these days, and certainly you can just see the way he walks. His limp is quite pronounced. And I think that was, that always in the back of my mind was, you know, my expectations were definitely not particularly high. But having said that, I mean, he was in worse shape

last year and he made the cut. So I think in a lot of ways, the thing about Augusta National is it's the only I just tweeted this actually because it's amazing I mean Fred Couples is playing in his 38th Masters he's about to be 64

and he just reels off four birdies on the back nine and he's in a tie for third I mean there's not a forget a golf tournament there's not a sporting event that that that could ever happen and he won 31 years ago

this tournament but there's something to be said about knowing that place. And I think Tiger, I never really count him out, especially at this tournament, just because A, it's a small field, only 88 players. Sure. About 20 of them are either amateurs or old guys or, you know, they're not going to win. So he's really just competing, you know, roughly with about 60 guys to make the cut.

And I like his chances because he knows his way around. But ironically, he actually hit seven of nine green. on the front, but he three putter twice and didn't get up and down once, and he only made the one 30. So it's really the putter that cost him, which is strange because he's usually quite deadly there. But, you know, I think you've got to be realistic at some point. 2019 was just a perfect storm, and I, you know, still fiddily remember standing by the

side of the green, and they chanted his name. And that place is very respectful. It's not usually a ton of noise, mate, unless it's just, you know, applause. But they were churning like it was an SEC football game. How did, when was the moment, Robert Lossedis joining us, of course, if you want to read about Tiger Woods, read Unplayable. He's the author. It's a Tiger Woods biography. When was the moment that he became lovable again?

Right? because, you know, after after the divorce and all the details that were spread and the tabloids, he wore the black hat. And he got it back to being competitive, right? Had more wins than anybody on the tour,

but was far from beloved. Now it's really amazing to see how everyone falls all over themselves with their infatuation with Tiger Woods. When did that change? Well, I mean, I think,

that when you bleed in public, you know, there's empathy. The fact that we looked at him as some sort of, you know, almost a demigod and almost without human emotion in some ways. You know, he was able to conquer human emotion, which, you know, not many of us can say, but the reality is that that was obviously a facade, and he was just very good at doing that on the golf course. and there were other frailties and flaws that we discovered. And I think that once you make somebody mortal,

you actually make them probably more loved than they ever were. I have a friend of mine who never liked Tiger because he said, you know, Tiger always wins. I root for the underdog. I don't want that guy to win. And, you know, when it all came tumbling down with the Shakespearean overtones, he flipped on it and he wanted Tiger to come back and I think that also the other

aspect to this is that Tiger had a handful of friends on the tour but he wasn't friendly sure and he specifically he it wasn't an accidental he was he wanted to step on your throat and they all knew it and uh and so when

he stopped being that guy when we realized and I think he realized you know seven six seven, eight years ago. I mean, he was probably never going to be number one again, and he wasn't going to be that Tiger Woods again from his 20s and early 30s. I think that he softened with a lot of the other players

and his, you know, embracing the Rouries and the Justin Thomas's and, you know, Ricky Fowler and just being friends with these guys, which he was never friends with. I think that softened his image a bit too, but mainly it's, you know, This is a, you know, this country loves a good bit of redemption. And, you know, everywhere, people everywhere love redemption, you know.

And it's the fact that he won in 2019, to me, the lowest point for Tiger was the DUI. You know, so sad to see him, you know, spaced out in that mugshot. And I think that that was rock bottom. And I think it was rock bottom for him, too. and at the time he had a lot of physical things going on, but obviously spinal surgery, none of these things are good. But he also, I mean, you know, let's be frank, I think he had a dependency on pain medication.

Sure. And you could see, you know, the puffiness in his face. He just wasn't the same guy. And I remember David Ferrety said something that was quite profound, if you're listening, Faraddy, this is the first I'm ever going to say that. But he said, He said, you know, you can't play golf with the sound of slamming doors in your head.

And Tiger had a lot of that. And I think that once he got through that rock bottom and obviously was able to deal with the pain meds, he, by the time 2018 rolled around, I think he was a different person. He was very rejuvenated. He looked better physically. And then, of course, he goes out and wins it to a championship. then he wins that master's and, you know, that was just incredibly special. But I think that after this latest accident in California, you know, to me it's he's kind of going,

he had to go back down those roads and I get it because the pain must have been unbearable. So it's not just the injury, it's everything that goes with it, not being able to train, not being able to practice, and obviously, you know, to deal with the pain. there's got to be business pain meant so I don't think any of those things you had them all up it's it's it's there's a very very large mountain for tiger woods at this point in his career to to to to climb again do you think he'll call it in in the near future meaning you know I guess I know he can play in all these events but the inability to be competitive for four days with the walking at Augusta and of course all these other tracks.

Like everybody liked, I'm sure he likes the attention in tipping the cap, but when you're not making cuts and your body is breaking down, what's the future look like? Well, I mean, he's only going to play, I would guess about five or six tournaments a year from here on out. And they'll be the ones that he wants to play in, obviously the open. that both opens, you know, the majors are in. He didn't show up to the players' championship, which I'm sure the tour wasn't, you know,

they would have liked him there just to show support for it, but he never really liked that tournament. He doesn't like that golf course. And but we'll see him, you know, he'll play Riviera because that's obviously associated with his foundation. They're the main beneficiary. He's the host. But we won't see him competitively,

I don't think, you know, in any, you know, more than about that kind of number, about six a year. And he'll try and peek for that. But the reality is, you know, he's not going to be, I'll tell you one thing that you can just write this one down. He is not going to show up and shoot 80. That's not going to happen. Right. That was my question as to how long. Same with Jack.

Jack was exactly the same. You know, Arnold, you know, bless his heart, to the end, he always thought he was one good four-iron away from being back, you know. And he wanted to play, and he played every day, and whatever, he didn't care. I mean, if he shot 84, he shot 84. But, you know, Jack Nicholas was too proud for that. As soon as he, you know, he started creeping into the shooting 77th and 78, that was the end of Jack.

We didn't see him anymore. 2000 was when he bowed out. and I suspect Tiger will have a very similar you know kind of evolution where we won't see him if you know if he can't break out he's too proud for that last thing Robert he's forever tied to Phil Mickelson

and I'm sure you saw this I don't know how many other people Tom Hodge Siwu Kim and Phil Mickelson Yeah. That's who's playing together in the first two rounds of the Masters. Yeah. Nothing happens accidentally.

Yes. It'll go to the National. It's not a coincidence. And I think if you looked at the, I tweeted this the other day when I saw the feature groups, and there was not one live golf player amongst them. And if you look at the way that the, you know, the pairings were put together, it's very clear that Augusta National says our tradition is that if you qualify for the Masters,

you will play. You can play in the Masters, but it doesn't mean they've got to like it. And I think we can see from the way that they've put these guys out there, that they're sending a message. They're telling them what they feel about Live Golf. And look, it's a big week. for live golf. Let me, let's not

let's not be around the bush about that. It's a very big week for them. And look, Cam Smith is too under at the turn. Kepka is two under on the front nine. Reed is under parham, he's on the back nine. So there's a few of them that are playing well, and I think it's important for them to play well, because you know, the rub on them has been that, you know, if you if you start a league that's a rival to the NFL and you take a bunch of old NFL players, at some point when they all get together and play,

you're going to be looking and saying, you know, this league isn't as good. And that's essentially what the rub has been with Liv is that it's not really the same competition as the PGA tour. And I think they want to show that we are. You know, they may not be as deep. and they are definitely not as the PJ tour, but they want to show that their best guys are just as good. So it's almost a, you know, sort of a rider cup happening in a Masters this week.

It really is. Robert, amazing stuff. Really appreciate you join us. Look forward to reading more of your commentary on this tournament. And, of course, a reminder, Unplayable is available. It's Tiger Woods biography by Robert Lucidic. Thanks so much for joining us. Enjoy the weekend.

You got it. See you, man. Let's get to Rye Music with the news. This is the Heard Line News. All right, Doug, let's turn our attention to the NFL. It appears that Bryce Young is the guy, as of right now. Chris Mortensen, longtime NFL reporter, citing sources, the Panthers traded up with their eyes set on Bryce Young and have no intention of changing that plan.

He went on to explain about Adam Schaefter's report that when the 49ers traded up in the previous, two drafts ago, they had intentions of drafting Mac Jones and then changed their mind throughout the process, ended up going with Trey Lance. Chris Mortensen said that is not the plan in Carolina. They have their eyes set on Bryce Young, and that is who they will pick. We talked about this last hour, right? If you talk to NFL people, they will say, you check every box. He's brilliant.

He processes well. He leads, right? He's an enjoyable dude to be around. That's part of it, right? He's accurate. He's got arm strength. He's a winner. He, like, won every game in high school.

And, yeah, they weren't as good this year. But, I mean, they're basically like two plays away from playing for a national championship again with a far lesser surrounding cast than the past. Like, he checks everything. Just little. Just not a big dude, right? Like, I'm not a big dude. and he's smaller than me, right? And he's not as broad-shouldered.

And it's not a fixable thing. Like Josh Allen, inaccuracies, you know, coming out, like, well, you know, we fix some of the stuff or whatever. But, you know, at some point, you just, you got to go with, he checks every box of intangibles and all the tangibles except one. And it's going to be a fascinating case study for small quarterbacks moving forward because we keep getting smaller and smaller. Kyler's small, but not a little dude, right?

This is a smaller human being. He looks like a regular guy. You would never know Bryce Young is a starting quarterback when he walks in and shakes your hand. And then you see him play football. You're like, oh, my God, this guy's amazing. So I think it's fascinating. Absolutely.

I mean, I know a lot of the examples, Russell Wilson, Kyler Murray. But as you pointed out, you know, those guys are built way different than Bryce Young. Rice Young is not only shortened stature, but slender. And so that's what makes his draft prospects so different than almost anything we've ever really seen. Correct. That's my music with the news.

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How'd you bring down a dynasty? How do you bring down a dynasty? I mean, think about dynasties or dynamic groups. Like, what brought down the Beatles? Was it outside forces? No. No. Yoko, right? Yoko.

Yoko, Mary John Lennon, and the seeds were planted and the Beatles broke up. Heck, you even look at the famous story of Troy and the Trojan horse, right? You couldn't,

the walls were insurmountable. By the way, never noticed that we never say something is surmountable? It's only insurmountable? Interesting, right? Anyway, the walls were insurmountable. You simply could not get because of the layout at the time, right? There's no air attack, no way for the Romans to attack the Trojans and take down Troyes.

What did they do? Here's a horse. Wheel it in. And again, from inside out, right? From inside out. heck, you look at what brought down the Lakers after their three-peat with Shaq and Kobe. It was the inside, inner working relationships that end up causing the breakup. Plus, Shaq wanted a new contract, wanted more money, but it was about ego and internal working relationships that broke them apart.

I think, okay, and you heard Rick Buecker talk about this earlier in talking about basketball. basketball, right? Forever. This is like the Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum where the only people talking about the possibility of breaking up the Celtics are outside forces. According to the athletics, Jeff Howe, several high-ranking executives from quarterback needy teams in both the AFC and NFC said the Patriots never approached them with the idea of trading for Mac Jones. I remember there was a report earlier this week from what, Floreo, Mike Floreo, pro football, pro football. Pro football. ball talk. Usually he aggregates other people's reports. In this particular case, it was his own reports that sources or source close to the Patriots or to another team said that Bill Belichick,

you know, called other teams about trading for Mac Jones. I think this happened with San Francisco a couple years ago. Remember draft day? Remember draft day? It was reported that the Niners, you know, were rebuffed in their interest for Aaron Rogers, just happened to draft on draft day. That was planting a seed to try and break apart the Green Bay Packers. And ultimately, it's kind of worked. Now, there are probably some other factors, but including, you know, they drafted Jordan Love

and the lack of relationship with he and Brian Gunnickus and Aaron Rogers' desire to hold on to older players that everybody else in the league thinks that the Packers should have moved on from. And maybe it's the way in which the Packers moved on from guys. I know. They should have offered Jordy Nelson

a contract far below his previous level, I guess? I don't know. But the point is that this feels like, feels like external forces trying to cause a fissure within the Patriots. Because let's just be honest. People don't like the Patriots. Now, if you talk to GMs around the league,

they respect the hell out of what they've been able to do. I ain't cobbled together rosters, be able to be, I mean, like, look, we can sit here and act like Belichick has completely lost his mind because he put a defensive guy who wasn't well liked as a head coach and Matt Patricia in charge of his offense, and it didn't work. I'm not sure it's working anyway based upon their personnel, but nonetheless, he tried something didn't work. The guy's been pretty good for 20 years. He's earned the right to make some decisions that don't all play out. The previous year with a rookie quarterback, they made the playoffs

in a really competitive division. So like Bill Ehrlich didn't suddenly become an idiot. You know? Which is kind of what he said. Like look, we got 20 years. We're good. We'll figure it out. But they're respected. They're the absolute best of using

the waiver wire. They do develop players. They do find guys that fit. And then in their preparation for games, they're pliable. They'll change. Are they 3-4? They have 4-3-2. team. I don't know. But the idea of moving on from Mac Jones when every team in the league outside of the ones with superstar quarterbacks, the dream is to have a guy who's good, good enough under a rookie contract. Because that allows you, especially in year three,

that's the golden year. They don't make much. The way rookie contracts are, you make a bunch of money up front. And the fifth year option, if picked up, is a substantial amount of money. but years three and four, really two, three, and four, you don't make much. And that's when you can rebuild your entire roster. Remember when they did that with free agency? Where'd that money come from? Right. People act like GMs and owners, like if they don't spend money on a quarterback,

or you don't sign Lamar to this crazy deal that they take that money and they put in their pocket, no, they don't. They spread around and try and build a roster. That's how the Ravens have built a roster. Because Lamar wasn't making much. and you got to build it and then if you have the right quarterback, you have cost certainty into the future.

I don't want to, I'm not saying that Florio made it up. I think people told him that. I'm sure somebody told them that. But did they tell them that because it really happened or they tell them that because they're trying to do the Yoko Ono and be the Trojan horse and make the Patriots implode from within.

You be the judge, right? I mean, I think Giselle was the Yoko to the, to the Patriots. right? Tom Brady was cool, taking less money for a long time. Tom Brady was fine, you know, taking a busting from his, from his coaches for a long time until Giselle was like, hey, my husband's not getting the respect he deserves. And it broke apart that relationship.

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