The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Lamar Jackson's endgame

Episode Date: March 9, 2023

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Lots of money to be made or lost. Actually, Kyrie Irving had something really interesting to say in regards to gambling and sports. and I find myself agreeing with Kyrie Irving. I know, right? It's like, like, Kyrie's like not crazy, but it does. It's like you're walking down the street and you see a guy who's clearly out there and he says something and it resonates with you. You're like, you know what? He's right.

I feel like that. I got something about play for you later that Kyrie Irving said on social media that you may do that. Let's talk some Lamar Jackson, shall we? I don't know if you listen to my show. If you give it a listen, it's the Doug Gautil. leave show. It follows this show daily on Fox Sports Radio, the Iheart radio app. You can also download the podcast form of it as well. And we've been kind of tracking this all season because it's really easy just use social media to follow Lamar Jackson. You know, he doesn't have an agent. So by not having

an agent, we haven't had any leaks from Lamar in regards to what his thoughts and plans and, you know, what's really going on. That was why there were no real leaks. In the injury, is he really hurt? Can he come back in play? And then finally, Lamar took to social media. But in the process, Lamar told you a long time ago that he felt like if you didn't want to pay him $250 million, you didn't love Lamar. That's how he looks at this thing. Don't, you know, it's the old, don't tell me you're pregnant.

Show me the baby. Don't tell me you love me. Show me the money. And the argument has merit from this standpoint. If you compare him to Deshaun Watson, he has an MVP, Deshaun does not. He's never had to sustain a major catastrophic injury. Deshawn his ACL twice, once in college, once in the pros. I believe they have the same number of playoff wins,

and he's never had any of the off-to-field trouble that Deshaun has had. So if you compare, like, if you're doing comps, right? well his house is 3,000 feet my house is 3,000 feet you got a pool I got a pool you're on the we're on the same street I'm actually actually at the end of a cul-de-sac even better right there's open space behind mine mine's a better builder we got better open floor plan all these other things like yeah and the problem is that the rest of the houses on the street didn't sell for what that one outlier house was. And I don't know how to tell you this, but your house hasn't been kept up

nearly as well. You have had issues with the foundation. Like, what do you mean? Well, Lamar won the MVP three years ago. He hadn't been the same guy since. Now, you can say his team hasn't been the same since. That'd be fair. But a big reason is he hasn't been the same since. He just hasn't. He's still effective. But this past year, he was the most inaccurate. starting quarterback in the NFL. There's an actual advanced stats to show that. Now, again, still effective because he's arguably, maybe inarguably, the best running quarterback we've ever seen.

But there's this sticky part to it. You didn't have an agent and you're like, well, what does that mean? Well, there's two different levels to it. One, your feelings can get hurt. If you're sitting in on a meeting or your mom's sitting in on a meeting, and they're talking to you about why they don't want to give you the biggest contract in the history of the sport, despite the fact you have some, there's like there's pluses, there's minuses. Yeah, Deshaun has that.

But again, he was, it was a special situation. It was omitting. And there was only one team that went anywhere near that deal. Since then, Kyler's deal didn't come up to that level. Since then, even Aaron Rogers' reworked deal didn't come to that level. Derek Carr reworked a deal didn't come out of the Derek Carr's new deal didn't you go around the league

and no one's contract compares to it no one Pat Mahomes has a longer deal but it is not fully guaranteed and then the other part to having an agent is they know how to work in workable bonuses so it may not have read 230

fully guaranteed or 240 fully guaranteed whatever but it essentially looked just about the same you do this is I get that you can change your oil on your on your own I get that you can it's actually more like changing your tire yeah can you change your own tire you should as a grown up especially as a man you got to be able to change a tire but you get a flat tire in the 405 I'm calling triple A calling triple A too many times you've seen too many people that's a professional they get all the equipment, they can pop it up, pop it out.

You can go sit and wait in the truck. I want nothing to do with being anywhere near that freeway while I'm changing a tire. Sorry. Same thing here. Same thing here. But the interesting part to the exercise is how many of these former and current players sound off on social media about, oh, it's got to be collusion. I thought Colin said it perfectly yesterday.

You don't have to collude when you know what a good thing. and a bad deal is. These are pretty successful businessmen. DeShan Watson contracts a bad one. They didn't win last year. It's prohibitively more difficult to win this year because this year there's a gigantic cap hit. And by the way, Deshawn's like, well, we rework the deal.

Well, if you rework the deal, you know what happens to Deshaun Watson? He actually gets more money up front. I mean, unless he's the absolute best quarterback in the league, the Browns are screw. But I found this part of the exercise different. Like, obviously, if you've listened to my show, you know, you can't work in this business and host a national radio show for 20 years, unless you know a thing or two about the NFL. And you talk to people who really know about the NFL. I thought this was great. Robert Griffin III, of course, works for ESPN. When the news first came out that he was getting a non-exclusive tag and,

all the reports of various teams, quote, likely not being interested. His tweet was, quoting, Lamar Jackson, is a unanimous MVP, has led the NFL in passing touchdowns. Of course, he didn't recently, but again, like we're dealing with three-year-old data, but that's fine. He's 26 years old, is 45 and 16 as a starter, and all the QB-needy teams are saying they aren't interested. It doesn't smell right to me. right so immediately when you say doesn't smell right it makes you think one of two things well there's either collusion or is it some sort of bias against um against lamar jackson two hours later okay robert griffin tweets team source ravens hope negotiating with other teams will give them and lamar an

unbiased look at the market for him raven's aren't reluctant to give Lamar a top quarterback market deal, but hope a non-exclusive franchise tag will speed up their own stalled negotiations with him. This is all most, all these guys need to do. Just call somebody, you know, JJ Watt tweeted like, this doesn't make sense. Hey, JJ, pick up the phone, call anybody in a front office that you played for and ask them what they think is what's really going on here. And they'll say the exact same thing. Like, dude, he's asking. for, it's like listing your house for some ridiculous amount when the market has settled. And then you put it in the market and you have an open house, you have a realtor open house.

Why do you have a realtor open house? Because realtors walk through and go like, hey, I really like the house, but you mispriced it. You mispriced it. But I, something I thought was fascinating. Here's a parallel to this deal. Because we still run the possibility. While teams are saying they're not interested, what they're saying is, well, we're not interested at five years guaranteed $250 million.

And we got to give you two first round picks. And the guy's been hurt, missed 15 games the past two years, missed 10 of the last 22 games of the Ravens. Like, yeah, no. Look at these teams around the NFL. The models to copy are, you know, the Seahawks when they had Russell Wilson as a fourth round pick. The Cowboys when they had DAC as a fourth round pick.

The Bengals currently, right? Now, Bengals have two elite picks, but they're under rookie contracts, rookie control. I mean, that's why the window for the Chargers is right now because even if they give Herbert a contract extension this offseason, it doesn't count against the cap until years to come.

Now is the time you build, you build around a young, inexpensive quarterback. And then you've got to decide, do we keep this guy and can we keep them at a reasonable rate? And that's what the Giants have done. It's like if you actually look at the details of the Giants contract, they had Dana Jones on a rookie deal. They're completely rebuilding the thing.

And then the contract, this year only counts against 7% of the cap. So they can add some of those weapons that were missing. And then he makes mid-30s. Okay, it's a higher percentage of the cap. And you give them a year maybe two to see if when surrounding, rounded by a better team, he's good enough. If not, you start the whole process over again. It's what the Eagles have done.

There's a reason that most of the teams that advanced in the playoffs this year did so, with the exception of the Chiefs, with a quarterback on a rookie contract. Because despite what you may read on social media, I hear on some of these shows, owners don't, they don't get to, general managers, owners, front office people,

It's not like, oh, hey, we save $10 million on Lamar Jackson's contract. Fellas, let's go to Vegas. Everybody buy a new house. You want a boat. Let's do it. We got, like, no, that money gets reinvested to the rest of the roster. But here's a big, here's a big and important thing. Okay.

Can we agree that the Ravens, at least when Ozzy Newsom was there, and nothing Eric DeCosta has done has led us to believe otherwise? Can we agree that it's a pretty well-run organization? They won a Super Bowl with Trent Dillford at quarterback. They won a Super Bowl with Joe Flacko at quarterback. And Lamar Jackson has been way better than anybody thought. But that was a good football team that he took over. They had a top five defense when they were making the playoffs.

It's it. You're going to be good. This is a lot like the Albert Poolehold St. Louis Cardinals negotiation. And if you remember, Albert Poulos was offered somewhere into like $160 million, six years, $160 million for the Cardinals before his last season with the Cardinals. And then at the end, they tacked on a bunch of extra years and whatever, and it looked like it was nine years, but it's really a six-year deal. And Pouls instead signed with the Angels, who were not the highest bid of the Marlins were.

And he made all that money. and the Cardinals still won a World Series and we're competitive without them. Okay. It still happened. They were still competitive without them. And I think that's what the Ravens are sitting here going like, look, man, we want to give you a lot of money. We want to give you more money than you can ever spend. We want you to be our quarterback.

But we also want to be good. That's our whole goal. We want to be good. The way we all stay employed is not resigning you. The way we all stay employed is putting out a good product. winning games. Everybody makes more money that way. And at the end of the day, you've got to decide,

do I want to go to a place, I mean, maybe Atlanta circles back, or Carolina. But again, look at those places. How often have they been competitive? How often have the Ravens been competitive? Brady understood this, right? Brady got this. The true legacies are built on how many times

you can get in the playoffs and give your challenge. He's only won one playoff game in his career. won. We don't know what he looks like outside of Greg Roman's system where he won an MVP. We don't know how healthy he can be. And the market is telling you

you're asking for too much. Lower your asking price and it'll generate more interest. And the Ravens are telling you, hey, we're just like the St. Louis Cardinals. We're going to win whether you're here, whether you're not here. We really, really, really want you to stay. But we're not going to give you a ridiculous contract.

And I love the fact that RG3 actually talked to somebody the team and then suddenly came completely down off the something doesn't smell right. No, it actually smells right. Here's what they're doing. Here's why it makes sense. He's just asking for too much money. It's not collusion. It has nothing to do with anything other than business.

How do we operate in a function which and function where we have cost certainty with our quarterback, but at a reasonable rate where we can field a really good football team? All right. Coming up next, one of Kyle Murray's soon-to-be former teammates, Kelvin Beecham, said this week, that Kyler needs to grow up. What does he mean by that? I'm going to ask him. He joins us next.

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This is the herd line news. All right, Doug. A little two-part NBA story here to lead us off. It was a rough night for the Dallas Mavericks, lost to the Pelicans, but they also lost their star, Luca Donchich. who left the game early in the third quarter due to a left thigh strain, something he's been battling since apparently shortly after the All-Star break, according to him.

Obviously tough for Dallas. They've now fallen to eighth in the West. They're only three and seven in their past 10 games. So you mentioned this earlier. You mentioned something else specifically. But Kyrie Irving was on Twitch last night, a streaming. platform on social media that the kids are on these days. And he had this to say about some of the criticisms that he gets from the media and from fans online. You think you know who I am.

You see a few posts. Oh, Kai's woke. Kai got it. Oh, oh, Kai is, oh my goodness, he just, he just doesn't fit into the mold of all of all the people. And man, he's different. He's crazy. He's arrogant. He's this. He's that. He's this. All from seeing me from three hours. That's just a short portion of what he had to say about some of the critics. And also other things that he mentioned on this late night stream that you had talked about. He also said, how can I be a cancer if there are 15 guys on a basketball team? How can I be free when I know there are children working in a cobalt mine in Africa making Teslas? And then this one specifically that you had made reference to,

gambling is ruining basketball because people aren't real fans anymore. I actually like the gambling one. I'll bite. Was kids making... How can I be free when there are kids in Africa working in a coal-bult mine making Tesla's? You know what that is? That sounds like a madlib, you know? Yeah. I need a noun. Kids.

Oh, boy. Okay. Here's the thing, Kyrie. This is important. No, we don't see you behind closed doors. We don't. We don't see behind closed doors. There's lots of parts you don't see. So all we can go by is you have a track record. Right? And when all the stories kind of line up. And, of course, you know, like in our business, we talked enough people that are boots on the ground that know, like, yeah, you have no idea. I mean, look, do you know anybody else who sages in arena? I don't. Was there anybody else that you've heard got on the phone on a conference call with the NBAPA during COVID, when they were playing on the bubble and said, hey, guys, we should just have her own league? nobody made him grab the microphone before his last Celtic season says,

if you'll have me, I'm coming back. Nobody made him do that. Nobody made him say, hey, we don't really need a coach. Or when he first got to Brooklyn after his first couple games, he said, you know, most of these guys aren't going to be here anyway, right? Nobody has forced those things and those things that are pretty obvious for us to see. Plus, you have the reaction to so many former teammates, people that work with you. And remember, those kids in the Cobalt,

mine are making teslas. Yeah. But in terms of the energy, he's right, though, in gambling. Gambling will make you turn on your favorite team. It just will. It'll make you cheer against your alma mater. People, we know this from,

it started with fantasy football. Fantasy football, it's the hardest thing is when your goal, your team is playing against your player, your quarterback, or your running back. You know, that's a really hard thing. Now, when it's real dollars, real dollars, the energy changes. I think it's one of the things that makes it hard for college athletes. People have always bet on college games, but it hasn't been that obvious.

And people's energy is completely different when you lose them money. The energy in a college atmosphere is completely different now. And we have the cobalt mines to think about it. That's Ryan Music with News. That's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Calvin Beecham's going to be a free agent.

He's last play with the Arizona Cardinals last season. Big talented tackle. Kelvin, he joins us now in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Kelvin, before we get to all that, you're going to Zambia, what, later this month? No, I'm going to Zambia this Saturday. I leave Saturday night, $255. Okay, so, and I know you're going to drill water wells. How'd this whole trip come to be?

So, 2016, I was going to Honduras with World Vision to actually see what was going on with, you know, access to water and especially access between water. The 2016 saw it, was going to go back in 2020, but the pandemic was, you know, starting to take shape. And I happened to be actually in South Africa. We're supposed to be going back again, you know, in 2020. Went across the bridge is in By-Boy, and I was like, this can't be. like, you know, seeing the disparities between, you know, just what the have and the have not have even their analysis. So, you know, talked to World Vision, told him this is where we wanted to be able to go and serve

and donated two wells last year and raising funds to be able to do the third one in collaboration to teammates and fans alike. And here they are. My wife and I leaving Saturday, Hawaii, dropping a key of Arkansas in Texas for spring break and we want to go and serve on the mission field. Paid the picture for me. What was it actually like? When you went across the bridge, what was it like?

So the thing is, man, I know cattle. Like, I'm from Texas. I know cattle. I know beef. You know, Alpine's a Lama, we love to eat. The cattle that I saw, if I went to touch them, I could have pushed them over with my hand. So to see that type of disparity, understanding what a cow is supposed to look like,

the fared, that has water, it has the resources, just to be fat and to be consumed at some point, that it shouldn't be like that. So for me to actually see people walking to go get water, not getting, you know, we've got a hose water, you know, off the back of your house or going to the store and grabbing the bottom water. Some of these communities just don't have access to water. And then to realize that a well can drill,

a well-dust drill, can produce 2,800 gallons of water per day, which in essence takes care of 300 people. To put that in context, that's pretty much water for, one division in the national football league. That's four teams, that that one well does for a community every single day. So when you...

I'm excited to give. Go ahead. No, so when you go and drill well, have you... I know you've donated wells before, but have you drilled them before? Have you done this yourself before? This is the first time. This is the first time. So I saw it in Honduras.

I'm doing it for the first time in collaboration with World Vision when we go, you know, next week. So they've already dug the wells. I mean, we're pretty much putting the finishing touches on it. They've done this for the last 50 years. So this is not me trying to do this for the first time. I'm going with somebody in a partner who's, you know, their execution around this is what they do for a living. I'm a professional. I'm not a professional.

I'm not a professional when it comes to finding a way to get access to water. So I'm partnering with other professionals and excited to be able to go and see that this coming up week. All right. What about your football career and being a free agent? Like, do you track it? Do you just trust your agent? How do you know what's next for you while you're drawing these wills? I trust what I put on the field, the problem that I put on the field.

Mike Thomas says this all the time. The film is your walking, talking, breathing, regular thing. I trust what I put on the field for those 17 weeks during this season. That will speak for me because when a GM or a coach or officer line coach kept on the field, that's what they look at. They can tell us what an agent or myself has to say about it. Can he produce in the most critical moments of the game? And for me, I like to point to the film as,

do you want these services or do you want? How much do you want to pay for these services? How much do you not want to pay for these services? So for me, it's very simple. I put the work in, I put the time in, I stay in shape, my body is ready, my body of work speaks for itself, and I think I have the ability to just point them to the film. And then let the truth fall when they fall.

You know, I'm an older tackle. I understand that. That's just the nature of the business. league is about staying young, but in doing so, what is that look like for me? Do you want to pay for those types of services? So I don't look too far into it. I'll be 12 hours ahead of things going on in the state, so I'll be abreast to what I need to be abreast to what I need to be abreast to.

But if somebody wants to tango, I'll be ready to tango. When you came out at SMU, you weren't, you were like not quite 6'3. Everybody said you're too small, right? That's why you went seventh round. And now we're watching the Combine. what's it like for a guy who's lived it to watch the combine where we we flock over guys bench presses or guys 40s or guys size and length how much of that should be part of the eval i think it's a part of the equation i think that's just the nature of the system that's

been set up and that's part of the equation that's part of how things are evaluated you want to be able to have something that you can look back on you want to have them for a bit of data that you can show, hey, this is what, you know, offensive linemen looks like, this is what the receiver looks like, a quarterback, et cetera. But the thing is, sometimes you can't quantify what somebody's actually able to do on the field until they actually get on the field.

And what somebody's able to do in pilots versus doing the pros, it's completely different. And what somebody's able to do as a rookie and somebody's able to do as a seven-year veteran is completely different. What you want to be able to see is do they continue to evolve. And they continue to get better. And the carbine gives you somewhat of a framework to move back at and be like, hey, Jonathan

Auden was this side. He's a Hall of Fame. Orlando Payson was this side. He's a Hall of Famer. Here to measure this. He's going to be a Hall of Famer. Calvin Smith, Trent Williams, etc. So you have some frameworks to look at at the end of the day. But, you know, for me, it was always, you know,

what is the product on the film was like? And for me, Brad Hopkins, which is a smaller taco, who I enjoy watching. Matt Light was a smaller tackle, considered a smaller tackle, you know, in the national football. league, and they played a very, very long time. And some of those are the examples that I look for, and I try to look for in the compound,

because not every measure was going to stack up to a hall of fame, nor would that career match up to a hall of failure. But that combat is just a small framework and a small sample size of what teams need to do their evaluations. Kelvin Beach, we're joining us here. Doug Gottlieb in for Collins and heard on Foxport Trade of the IHeart Radio app. You started your career playing with Big Ben, who's gigantic, but also, like, Ben's not a big.

easy to block for because he holds on the ball a lot, right? He'd hold it. And then, of course, this past couple seasons, you're playing with a diminutive quarterback, with Kyler. One of the big discussions with this draft is you got Bryce Young. Bryce Young's tiny. Like, not just the size of Kyler, but not really a big dude. What's the challenges from a guy who's lived it, and you played with the giants of, like,

Big Ben Rothersberger, big six, five built kind of like a quality. he was a tight end until he became a quarterback. What's the challenge of having an offense when you have one of these smaller quarterbacks? You know, it's the same thing that I would, you know, say in many instances, what is it it looked like to have a bigger quarterback? And I play with both so I can be able to talk about both. But being able to play with a bigger quarterback, you realize that you have a little bit more

room to wiggle to keep guys on the edge or you have a little bit more room to get bored because you know that your quarterback can sit there in the pocket. When you have a smaller quarterback or a shorter quarterback, you realize you need to keep that pocket wider, which gives you an opportunity to be more aggressive as an offense alignment. But I think what having, you know, somebody of college at you, it gives you the ability to be very flexible with your office. You can put them on the run.

You can, you know, have, you know, deep steps on your play actions. You can add your bootlegs. And I think Kyla really presented a lot of issues for people because he can actually throw extremely well from the pocket or outside the pocket. So from a talent standpoint, let the talent and the film speak for itself. And if he can throw the ball from the pocket, let him throw the ball from the pocket. If you can throw the ball on the run, let them throw the ball on the run.

But I think where the NFL is starting to the other way is how do we cater to your skill set? Jalen Hates cater to his skill set. Tash from Mahomes cater to a skill set. Lamar Jackson cater to a skill set. Tyler, try to find a way to cater to a skill set. So I think the NFL is really about how do we cater to the skill set once we have this particular person and, you know, in our building, and we're here to find a way to make it work. And I think whoever drafts him is going to find a way to make it work.

You recently said that Kyler need to grow up a little bit. What did you mean? I said this last year, man, he's maturing. How do we get him to continue to mature in that regard? The thing is, you paid him half a billion. I didn't, but the organization paid him half a billion in essence. You want to see him going to that valuation. We understand there more expectations, the more obligation, the more responsibilities.

I want to see him. And I'm excited to see him take on that particular responsibility. He's a winner. He's a competitor. One of the fastest competitors I've been around. But to be a leader of men is completely different and just being a competitor. You have to be able to engage with men.

You have to be able to talk and be able to not only bark at him, but how do you also bring him along for the ride as well? And for me, in my particular perspective, I want to see him do that at a much higher clip. And when I say grow up, take the next step. He did take a step last step. to the stuff two years ago, how do we think that next up?

Does he have, is he willing to listen to veterans like yourself, right? I don't know if you're going to be back with the Cardinals. You know if you're going to be back with the Cardinals, right? But I think the big question to all of us who haven't played with him, don't really know him. We just read stories and hear things is, well, he's already got his money.

So if you already got your money, are you willing to listen and evolve? Right, because the point you made about engaging with people, like, that's kind of a generational thing. right guys are so involved in you know in their phones that they communicate a ton on their phones but in terms of person to person sometimes that's lacking these days i just wonder from your perspective the kiler that you know that you worked with does he have the voices around him that he respects they're going to push him to mature more you know i would take it a step further and

i will actually put it on him he has to go out and seek those voices to put around him i think one of the blessings of being a pro is We get to stand on the shoulders of those who came before us, especially in our society and in our profession right now. We get to go spend time with other quarterbacks or other offensive linemen who played the game at a higher level and played it for a long time. How do you go spend time with them and learn? Does Tyler have the capabilities of going and reaching out to people

and the women is to go and do so? Yes. Can't he do it at a much higher tip? That is what I'm excited to see and what I want to see from him, because he has the ability to listen to veterans. You know, Chandler Jones is one of his close friends. Like, Chandler will call him out. You know, he had Larry Greene. He had JJ White.

Like, he had veterans around him, but it's on him to be willing to go and reach out and do the lead work and the diligence to it, to find ways to continue to make himself better. But he has to be willing to do those types of things. Well, Kevin, what you're doing in Zambia sounds amazing. We wish you and your wife safe travels there and back. And, of course, we want to hear where you're going. So when you decide where you're going, I'm talking about in terms of football, we want to be the first to know. Thanks so much for joining us and giving us your honest thoughts on your own career on what you're doing and, of course, in your time with the Cardinals.

Thanks for being our guest. Yes, sir. Anytime, thanks for having me. All right, that's Calvin Beecham, who, man, painted the picture. Have you ever, like, it's weird. He was talking about cattle, right? Like, just the visual description of going to a place and you just like look at the caddy, like, man, what are those look like where they can just kind of push them over? I mean, cow tipping does sound a lot different there.

Like if you tell some of you tip cows in Zambia as opposed to here. And I guess my question is like, how do they not have wells? Of the things we take for granted, running water, we just take it for granted. We don't understand what we have. What an incredible thing that he's doing. while his professional career and future is being decided like I'm doing this with my wife or my kid's spring break man makes you feel like a little bit less of a human being all the things that he's doing all right coming up next we got another crumb today that

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There's more breadcrumbs out there. Scott Zolak, of course, is a former backup quarterback with the New England Patriots, who's a talented radio guy in New England, said, quote, Brady may go to Miami. I think that's in play. I do. I think the possibility of him coming out of retirement. retirement is definitely 100% in play.

You can sit here and look at the kitten tweet from yesterday. Don't buy that. Don't buy that. So he's saying don't buy the Tom Brady kitten tweet. Kittengate. And you guys saw the, the Tom Brady Kitten tweet, right? Yeah.

So I guess I guess here's the question. Do you buy it? Do you think he's actually retired? I don't know. He's taking a year off. It is weird. He's taking a year off to prepare for broadcast. Like, why would you take a year off to prepare for broadcasting?

You know, granted, when you've been away from your kids for the entirety of your career, and now you're divorced, you want to spend as much time with as possible, and broadcasting for Fox, doing all those games for Fox. You know, you've got to be in the city of your broadcasts from on Fridays. So as you try and kind of work it out and figure it out, figure out what your life's going to look like, you want to spend as much time as possible.

And, of course, the Miami thing was always a thought going back to when they got punished for trying to make Brian Flores do the bump, bump into him. Talk to him about Brady. Zolak brings credibility because he obviously. he knows Brady and he's close to the Patriots. He's probably close to the same people. I don't know. I do know that it's got to be incredibly difficult to walk away from, you know, 52 eyes on you in the locker room, you know, 45 on a game day,

plus the other 10 guys in that huddle from the energy of a stadium and being Tom Brady. The weird thing about it is how quickly he announced. it. You know, how quickly he announced it. And I couldn't tell, and I think most people, we couldn't tell at the end of the season, he looked like a beaten man. Was he a beaten man because his time was up with the Buccaneers or his time was up with the NFL? I don't know. I take him out his word. Happened a second time. I don't even know if Miami is the absolute spot for him to go to. It feels like Vegas would be a better fit because of he's worked with Josh before, and it's just it's a city you can be in and out of.

I know Miami was originally a thought because of, you know, he has where he and Giselle both have places there. Like all that makes sense. And San Francisco makes sense because that's his childhood team. And if they just had any sort of quarterback, they probably win a Super Bowl last year. Gary tweets me if having a supermodel wife doesn't keep you home a kitten doesn't stand a chance

I got it I do think though that there's something to you know the idea of being at home and being a dad a little bit like man I get to be a dad do I want to do it every day for the rest of my life no but he also doesn't have to you know as the kids half the time whatever just imagine how many new and different things

he's going to discover that he has an ever had to do previously, you know, just ever hasn't had to do. When you live with somebody else for a decade, or you play a sport for two decades, and you're just a machine. It's a weird feeling to not have work to go to. And, of course, he's got his brand. He's got some other things as well. I mean, I wish I could sit here and tell you I know. I got no idea. Zolak saying it, and 100% in play, does.

doesn't mean he's coming out of retirement. It just means, hey, it's out there. It's out there. They still want him. They're going to keep asking. If you go back to the middle of the season and you asked almost all of these NFL people, hey, Tom Brady, does he play next year? They'd say yes in Vegas.

Everyone thought that was happening. And now you look at what Miami has. And though they've still stayed at least, you know, publicly committed to Tua, It's not crazy. Not crazy at all. Coming up next hour, we'll get to Aaron Rogers, the likelihood of him heading to New York. Plus, ooh, I think you're going to like this story we got for you from the NBA.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't mention Jim Beehime retiring. And Colin a long time ago talked about college basketball becoming a one-month season. and in terms of mainstream, he's right. But in terms of its popularity, it's interesting. Sports in an interesting place. Because of NIL, players are going to stay and play longer. So you can kind of market around them better. But the sport's always been marked around the coaches.

And now almost all the coaches, except for Bob Huggins and Tom Izzo, that we grew up watching, they've all retired. They've all aged out. it's almost it's almost like post-jordan NBA right the NBA became about Jordan and everybody trying to dethrone Jordan and then when Jordan was gone you had all these new faces and it took a long time for the NBA to regain the popularity it sees today and I wonder with college basketball in terms of its popularity tournament's always going to be popular because people bet on it brings everybody together but you see Beheim retire you've already lost um Coach K, Roy Williams. Petino's still coaching. But like at Iona, where does he go? You basically have three left. Patino, Huggins, and Izzo.

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