The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Live Mock Draft

Episode Date: April 20, 2023

Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show in studio for a LIVE NFL mock draft!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Live in California. How many championships we have since 2000? Was it 32 or 36? 32. The herd. I just go. Greg Co. Sell's the best. I'm going to beat Joel Flatt at this.

He has no chance. I'm getting inside information right now. Well, if he keeps Bijon Robinson to the Eagles of 10, I think he's in some trouble. I don't buy that for Philadelphia. Hold on one second. Howard has to order DoorDash for dinner tonight. I didn't DoorDash the other night. Did you really for dinner?

Here's the thing about DoorDash. Don't do Greek food. It doesn't do well in a car for 30 minutes. Greek food. I love Greek food. What about Tazizi sauce in a car for 30 minutes? Not a good idea. Dang.

You got to go. Now I want a hero for lunch, thanks to that. Okay, so let's bring on. He's the voice of college football at this network, and I always feel like I'm a little bit of a mentor to him to teach him the game. It's a teaching moment. It's great to have Joel Clatt on the show. Clat, Howard.

You know, I saw Fred Couples. What did you do? All my research out of me. Okay. All right. Put that mic in front you. This a contest. Apparently you're making this a contest.

So here we go. No, I'm not really. No, I'm ready for it. No. No. But I can't throw it out there and then say, no, I back off. So now it's a contest. So here we go. You ready for this?

Traffic on the freeway. When somebody pulls in front of you, you have to veer. And I said Seattle at five is fascinating. Oh, I can't wait for five. Because what if people start jumping them for quarterbacks? Sure. I think, I'll say it again. The best college football player I saw this year was Jalen Carter, regardless of the position.

Okay. Now, I know he's got character issues, but I don't care. He's a defensive lineman. That doesn't mean as much to me. But if you wear your hat backwards as a quarterback, I'm done with you. That's right. We have that established in this culture of the herd. I got it.

Okay, are you ready to go? I'm ready. I got everything ready here. Here we go. I got. I love doing this. This is fun, by the way. I really love doing this.

So, you know who the winner is? The fans. America. America is. All right. Although they have to deal with J. Mack on the side. What are the Jets? Well, he took a shot of my Bejohn picture.

So I just threw it out there. Okay. Are you ready to go? I'm ready. So I'm odd, so I get the odd picks. The Carolina Panthers are on the clock. So you finished dead last? You get the number one pick.

Go ahead. I had a worse year than you. Okay. Bryce Young, I worry about his size. I think he's the most ready to play. Frank Reich's a former quarterback. Listen, he's going to look small in the NFL because he looks small in college. Yeah.

But this organization has been in quarterback chaos for four years, four or five years. It's time to get out of it. I said this, like a 401K. Not everything lasts forever. Sometimes you've got to take money out. Right now they've got to get quarterback out of chaos. He comes in, he's ready to play. In that cruddy, wonky division, you could compete.

Yeah. And I have Bryce Young, number one. The Houston Texans are on the club. lock. Similarly to Carolina, Houston's got to figure out the quarterback position. And this is an easy pick. C.J. Stroud is the pick, the quarterback from Ohio State. C.J. is an excellent quarterback that has proven some of his naysayers wrong,

in particular with that performance against Georgia and his ability to not only manipulate the pocket, but even make some plays with his feet at times. There's not a more accurate passer in the quarterback. communicates with his ball placement and he's very smart, understands and processes information, not quite like Bryce Young, but very close. And one of the things I love about his game, love about his game, is that he plays with a bit of a chip on his shoulder. He wasn't the most highly recruited quarterback in the world, didn't study as one of these individual sport athletes types with an individual quarterback trainer. He's a bit gritty. People don't know that about him. I got CJ going to the Houston, Texas.

A lot of those predetermined Ohio State reads worry me. But anyway, let's go there. The Arizona Cardinals are on the clock. All right. They're going to go defense. They have a defensive coach. My guess is somebody in the building talks them out of Jalen Carter, which I think is a mistake.

They take Will Anderson from Alabama, another edge rusher. I think they've had so much bad press in the last six months that some people are going to be a little fearful of taking Jalen Carter, who's got some baggage. So, you know, the term they always use for guys like Will Anderson is like, clean. He checks all the boxes. He's productive. He's a good kid. He works hard. And I think there's some concern. They've had a bad six months in the organization. They don't need another six weeks of bad PR on Jalen Carter. So I think they go Will Anderson. I think in a loaded edge rushing draft, I had a GM tell me this week, there's 12 guys he would have no problem picking at some point in the draft, they get probably the best.

What I love about Will Anderson, by the way, is that he is an alpha's alpha. Like, he's going to come in and be a captain. I think he's got the skill level to be and compete for a defensive player of the year at some point. He's productive. He can play against the run. I do like that pick a lot. Now, if we were doing this, I think you should have traded that pick because Arizona can get Will Anderson. Well, we're not going to do trade. I understand that. But this is just going above and beyond. I'm just going above. What should have happened is what I did in my mock,

which is that Indy moves up a spot. Now, I'm going to give them the same player that I did give them in my original mock, and that's Anthony Richardson. They also have to figure out the quarterback position. At this pick, I know it's high, but I got to tell you, Anthony Richardson is a special talent, a very special talent.

And there are flashes on tape of the greatness that you can project him to being the best player on the field. Now, having said that, he is a bit of a Rubik's cube. You've got to figure it out. He's several turns away, but his ceiling is so high. His athleticism outside of the pocket is so special. I think that they don't, I think that they don't pass up on the opportunity to take Anthony Richardson. And one more thing about Richardson is that, yes, you can say that like there's a project nature to him, right? Yes, he needs to develop. Well, guess what? That's more common now in the national football. football league than ever before. Ten years ago, I would have hesitated on this pick. But now, think about Patrick Mahomes was a project. We all raised our eyebrows when he was selected by Andy Reed. Jalen Hertz was a project. Lamar Jackson was a project. Josh Allen was a project. There are now projects. Heck, Justin Herbert had questions. I was one of them. I didn't think Justin Herbert was going to be great. And now he's great. People are taking a little bit more

risk at the quarterback position and it's working out because of where the game has gone. So, I like Richardson to Indianapolis. Some people invest in Bitcoin and NFT. I invest in IBM. The Seattle Seahawks are on the clock. What does that even mean? I like a sure thing. I mean, there are billionaires from Bitcoin.

You know, billionaires. They have those crazy eyes on the internet. Okay, so I'm going to have the Seattle. Didn't it go to 30 two days ago? Seattle Seahawks. To the moon. Jalen Carter. I've had...

Come on. He is the best player in the draft. No, well, one, no, he's not. But go ahead. Pete Carroll's history, USC and the Seahawks. He will take guys with a little baggage. He's not afraid of that. Hey, little baggage.

You know what? Somebody married me. You know what my nickname was? That's a bigger risk than taking Jalen Carter. My nickname was Sampsonite. Okay. So I have the Seahawks going Jalen Carter. The worst bad joke I've ever heard.

And I think he fits the DNA of Pete and John Snyder, taking big swings. Okay. I think they will consider Will Levis, but they get a big-armed guy named Drew Locke, and that hasn't panned out. Seahawks take Jalen Carter. The Detroit Lions are on the clock. All right. This is an interesting pick. Yeah, I love this. I love this. This is a really interesting one. I can't wait until we get to Thursday night, and we see what Detroit does, a week from today. So what would you, okay, you got it right now. Let's go.

I like what they've done in the offseason in the secondary, but I also think that they've probably done enough up front and still need to help out their past defense. I like the best corner in my draft, Christian Gonzalez. God dang it. From Oregon. I'm Raiders. I wanted him back. I know you did.

I know you did. And I've got Christian Gonzalez going right here to Detroit. Remember the Okuda move. This makes too much sense. You get your long number one corner. This guy has all sorts of ability and he's just going to continue to get better. Love his bloodlines, by the way. You know his dad was a basketball player, 6-9 at Utah?

I love this player. I love this kid so much. He's instinctual. He's got good ball skills. He's tough. He'll tackle. This is a no-brainer for me. I think that Detroit takes Christian Gonzalez. Okay. So I want you to know this is why the draft is good because that was my pick. The Las Vegas Raiders are on the clock. Okay. The Raiders are going to do what they always do. They're going to take Devin Witherspoon, the corner from Illinois because it's a massive area of need. Have to get it. Yeah. They've got a decent left tackle. Colton Miller. They got an edge rusher. They got star back, star receiver, star tight end. They got their quarterback. They are bad on the back end.

And it's a terrible safety draft. Yeah, you can't go safety at this pick. So I agree with you. I think they're going to go with a corner. There's also the kid, Joey Porter at Penn State. I think they go with this kid. Listen, people always say you just draft the best talent, not need. Even Belichick went and got a left tackle and a running back.

So what was the kid from Georgia, not Nick Chubb, Sony Michelle? Yeah. Why? Because they need, he was a bad pick. But the point being is. It's got to be a mixture of the two. You need a corner. He's a first round player.

It's probably about six spots above where you'd want to take him. Raiders go corner. I tell you, if that happens, this is why Lowe. Do we have the music? The Atlanta Falcons are on the clock. Oh, there's the chime. Thank you. I appreciate it.

I don't think there would be anybody more pleased. If this panned out this way and Witherspoon went to Las Vegas, Right. Atlanta would run the card up. Tyree Wilson, edge rusher from Texas Tech. Okay. His upside is tremendous. A little tall. A little tall. Like, when has that ever been said about an eddard? A little tall? He's not ready yet. He's not, what? Listen, I think Tyree Wilson is a bit raw, a bit, but there is huge upside to this guy's game. The length for days, good athleticism. He can play against the run. He's not a specialist as a pass rusher. As he develops more moves as a pass rusher, I think. he'll be highly productive. I think Atlanta needs edge help. We know that. They've got to get after the quarterback. They've got to do it in a much better fashion. I think Tyree Wilson, who this one for me is not only good value because I think he's better than the eighth player in the draft,

but he's also clearly, in my estimation, the second best edge rusher, and I think Atlanta would be thrilled with this. Okay. The Chicago Bears are on the clock. Okay. They went defense last year. I think they go get Ohio State left tackle, Paris Johnson. who's got for his size remarkable feet. You know, Ohio State's got some NFL guys at that position. They got a lot of footage on him. You know, Paris Johnson just a really guy. I think he's the best tackle in the draft.

Yeah, pure tackle. He's the best pure tackle. And by the way, they addressed some stuff last year in the draft. But you can say once the two best edges are gone, many people think they take the Van Ness kid from Iowa. I talked to a GM this week who said he's kind of an interest. fit for some teams, not for others. I think Paris is a, first of all, you can't have, you need two great tackles now in the

NFL because quarterbacks are so valuable. 54 quarterbacks played last year. Guys get hurt. Justin Fields got banged up. You got to protect him. Star Left tackle. There you go. Watch out for two names there that I think you should have taken.

Okay. You should have taken either Nolan Smith or Miles Murphy. So watch out for those two on the edge. Edge players. But you didn't, which is. good for the Eagles. The Philadelphia Eagles are on the clock. Which I love. Listen, I have been baited into this now and basically challenged to do this. The Eagles don't need a lot. I think you would agree with that. Their roster is as good and as complete as any in the league. Because of that,

I think what they're going to need to do is start to lean a little bit towards their quarterback and his new contract and give him the threats on the offensive side. that some of the other quarterbacks have around the league and allow Jalen to continue to excel. You have to do that in a couple of ways. You've got to take pressure on him by being able to run the football. You also have to create short targets for him. And a guy that can excel in the short areas in the middle of the field, screen passes, in order to get the ball out of his hands more times quickly than what he does now.

So you've got to expose less hits to Jalen Hertz. You do that with a great, versatile running back in Bejohn Robinson. I take him with the Philadelphia Eagles. Bejohn is the best non-quarterback offensive player in the draft. He's versatile. He can run it between the tackles, great short area quickness and lateral movement. He can hit home runs. And I also think that he can have 30, 40, 50 catches a season

because he's as good and clean a receiver as even Christian McCaffrey was coming out in his draft. So I like Bejohn to the Philadelphia Eagles. Well, you and J-Mack. Jay-Mack like that. No, I'm sure he did. Absolutely not. Okay. And for what reason?

Well, he's clean. He's going to be a good player immediately. Of course it is. So what reason is this a bad pick? It's not a bad pick. Well, no, he's upset about it. Well, thank you for letting me jump in. I would say, without question, the Eagles historically have put a premium on drafting in the trenches.

Yes. And they leave the skill position players for later. So watch my pick. The Tennessee Titans are on the clock. Okay, the Titans O lines a disaster. Yes, it is. And they, so I think they're going to take the kid from a northwestern, Peter Skoronsky, who they did not think would fall to them.

I could have easily taken him with Chicago, but you'd take a left tackle over an interior lineman. I think he's the best overall line. He reminds me of Elijah Vera Tucker out of USC who could basically play any position on the O line and has. He got banged up last year. The Tennessee's O line's a disaster. And so, listen, they need a lot. You could also argue Will Levis.

but I think this kid's a 10-year starter in the NFL. Will Levis is a coin flip. So I got Tennessee taking an offensive lineman in 11. I don't mind that at all. Okay. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged.

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Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history. Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The Houston Texans are on the clock. Houston's got their quarterback. They need a lot of help. Their roster needs a lot of help. You could definitely go trenches here.

I think that there's value in trenches. Well, they already reached it quarterback with your pick. So what's the next one? I'm sorry, reach? Okay, go ahead. That's fine. I've got them taking my best wide receiver in the draft. And CJ Shroud's college teammate, Jackson Smith and Jigba at number 12.

Jackson Smith and Jigba, he has been forgotten about because he had the hamstring injury and did not basically play the entire season this last year. But people forget that in 2021 with Chris Olavé and with Garrett Wilson on the same team to a man they would have all said and did tell me right to my face that Jackson Smith and Jigba was the best player. His ability to create completions over the middle of the field, create separation, run through that yards after the catch. He will lead the league in receptions at some point in his first three or four years if he's in the right system. And I think he can do that with Houston and C.J. Stroud. Okay, now it gets... The New York Jets are on the clock.

is tough. Now this is by far and away my toughest pick because I was going to take that wide receiver. I knew you were. And all of a sudden now Will Levis is hanging out there and the jets are like, do we have Aaron? Do we not? But now you got Zach Wilson and Aaron and you got too much drama. I don't need gun show Will Levis showing up to town. So this is the first, this is the first tough one for me. Okay. There's not another receiver worth this. Now I could make an argument, Michael Meyer, the tight end for Notre Dame, is a big need. Michael Mayer, he can block better. I think he blocks, well, Kincaid can block a little bit because either you talk, kid.

They all block. But not like mayor. I agree with you. Mer can act as a sixth offensive lineman if you need him. Yeah. This is a great tight end draft. I, see, I like Joey Porter, but they've got a corner. They've got two corners.

They're not going to go corner. Do they go offensive line? I'm going to go offensive line. Broderick Jones, Georgia? I think I go Broderick Jones. J-MAC approves. Look at this. I think you have, listen, it's one of those where...

Somebody's going to drop in this draft. And my guess is it's Will Levis or Richardson. Richardson says such an upside, to your point, somebody's going to go with them. They've got to get this thing figured out. The Jets don't have a lot of needs. Quarterback, left tackle, and I think tight end eventually in the draft. The Jets are very lucky. There's three or four good offensive linemen early in this draft,

and there's a bunch of tight ends in this draft, and they need both. So I think the Jets go offensive tackle. Man, I wanted him with my pick here at 14. The New England Patriots are on the clock. This is what's wanted your Christian. I know, right? Listen, this is what makes this such a fun deal. And now I'm sitting there and I, you know, I think.

That's hard. It's hard. I mean, do the, do you reach on a tackle or do I take the corner? I think I probably take the corner. I think that. He likes corners. He loves corners. He loves guys that can play man.

He likes length. And he likes guys with bloodlines, too, you know, and that are kind of like football guys. So you Joey Porter? Joey Porter, Jr. to New England. I like that pick. I mean, he likes D.Bs. He likes D.Bs. And I tell you, Joey Porter Jr. is not going to shy away from anybody.

He got the toughest responsibility week in and week out. Love his mentality. Now, he can be handsy, right? And he can grab a little bit. But there are not many college corners that play this much man coverage that, aren't because they haven't learned that yet. Belichick loves that. He doesn't want, he'd take an aggressive guy over a passive guy. And he also is, you saw that last clip, those are you watching here on the herd, really willing and physical tackler. And I think that plays well with Belichick.

So I'll go Joey Porter Jr. Oh, Green Bay. The Green Bay Packers are on the clock. Now the Packers never go offense, but I'm going to go with the tight end, who they need. Michael Mayor, Notre Dame. He's the, he's a blocker. a pass catcher, multiple year starter. Notre Dame's good at this position. He's a smart guy. I just think he is with Tanya now leaving town, Mercedes-Louis, about my age. They need a tight end.

I don't think the Packers have a ton of needs. I think tight-end receiver and edge rusher is one of them. They got very lucky. What they need this draft provides. A tight-end early, receivers, ed rushers, second, third, fourth round. It's a good draft for the Packers. I think that they could get a safety later, too. I know it's not a deep safety draft,

but there's a couple floaters in there, like a Jair Brown from Penn State later in the draft. I think I would like that pick. Boy, you know Green Bay, wearing those dockers in that front office, we'd be doing cartwheels. Hey, I like my, that was, okay, so.

The Washington commanders are on the clock. It's tough. Dang it. I thought, originally when I did this, I thought Joey Porter would be there still. and so this to me was an easy pick for Joey Porter for Washington. Corner is a big area. Do they need safety?

There's like two I like. There's two I like and one of them can play corner and slot corner and nickel and he's versatile. I think I'm going right here, but man, this feels like a reach. Here's the thing. I think Washington needs corners. I think they need offensive line. I'm debating between Darnell Wright from Tennessee, the offensive tackle. his game and Brian Branch from Alabama. That's who I thought that would be my my toss-up. I'm going to

I'm going to go Brian Branch because I love Brian Branch. He's a he is a Swiss Army knife style defender. He can cover in the nickel. He can go play deep safety. He can play in the box. He also played as a true freshman for Nick Saban in the secondary, which is hard to do. He's very smart, highly intelligent, hard worker, all of those things. I think he's going to be a better pro than Maybe we are giving him credit for during this process. So I'll go Brian Branch there to Washington. Okay. So now let's look at our picks.

I have one I don't like, but I got trapped. I'll tell you right now. Because you wanted Gonzalez with Vegas. No, I look. So they went and got a safety in a corner. The Chicago Bears pick for me. So they did. They loaded up on O linemen last year.

Some can play some can't. They don't need a running back. They got B running backs. fine. Skoronsky, I think,'s the best overall, but do you go interior there? Why didn't you go defense there? Again, like, I thought that defense would have been a good spot. By the way, I look at your picks. They don't need a corner necessarily or a safety. So you drafted a wide receiver and a running back. What are you talking about? Listen, I love my picks. You don't have a single pick you're a little hesitant about.

I loved that for me I did not think Tyree Wilson was going to be there at eight I don't think Atlanta thinks he's going to be there at eight and then with the bears

see the Raiders can't take he's a good player but they got Max Cross I understand and I get that totally but here's the one area that I think that two guys that I think could fall

Will Levis which we have falling here right and I don't think he's in the top 16 we don't have him in our 16 I think it's very easy to go through 16 picks and be like, yeah, I don't see Will Levis. One GM I talk to like him, two did not. So I have a lot of people questioning. Yeah, it's a little all over.

Well, and what they said is, even when he had time to throw, he still made bad decisions. There were decision-making issues and then just straight turnovers, right? And those can follow you. Remember James Winston, he had a lot of turnovers at Florida State. Those kind of followed him into the NFL. And the other one that you did not pass up on, but I do think people could pass up.

up on and could be there for Chicago at 9 as Jalen Carter. I think they would take Jalen Carter. I do too. I think that's his floor. Like if he gets to Chicago, I think that they take him. And I think that there's a chance he gets to Chicago. I like your picks. Let me see Clat's picks again. Let me see.

No, you don't like Bejohn. And J. Max over here, shout about lineman. No, no. Bejohn's very good. He's a very good player. And you saw where I got there, right? The whole thought process of like giving Jalen an opportunity to play while taking hits off his body.

I think that's very smart. He's a clean player. He checks all the boxes. Good kid. I watched him a lot in college. He's great. Apparently I don't like trenches. Look at that.

I've got QB, QB, QB, corner, edge, running back wide receiver, corner safety. Look at Calh. GM, if I'm a GM, we're just going playing seven on seven. Well, I was just looking at the Washington depth chart, and we know safety is not a premium position. Yeah. Why wouldn't you draft an offensive lineman? Well, I just didn't love the value there. Okay, so like that's when, again, like my next offensive lineman on my board is Darnel Wright.

That's who I have going to, uh... I think that's too expensive. Okay, so one of the arguments for Wright is his tape against the kid from Alabama, Will Anderson was incredible. Totally shut him down. I won't say it was incredible, but it was good. It was good. I also know that Darnel Wright came in very highly recruited and didn't do anything for his first, you know, three or four years.

That's a good point. And then had to move to right tackle. And then finally, when everything was right with the entire team, well, now it's good tape. It's like, well, where was that the rest of the time? Could I? So he came in with some baggage as a high school kid, his family. He went through some stuff. And there was some instability in the program.

And then once they got good this year, he kind of matured. And he's almost undervalued. If you look at some of the gambling odds, there's a case for Wright going a little higher. So we didn't have Will Levis getting picked. Yeah, that's insane. No. What do you mean? I don't think it's insane.

I don't think so either. The Indianapolis Colts absolutely love him. Can I think the Colts, but remember, once one team, remember the year Aaron Rogers dropped, there weren't that many teams from like eight to 15 that needed a quarterback. That's right. So if Indy passes on him, then all of a sudden it's like, oh, okay, what? I mean, he has him taking Richardson. Then who needs a quarterback?

There's a lot of these teams, remember, once you get to the middle of the draft, those guys have functional quarterbacks. Okay. There's three teams that absolutely need. a quarterback, which means one of these guys is falling. I think it's Will Levis. How about Seattle? Would Seattle's second pick take Will Levis?

Yeah, maybe their second one. If I got Jay and Carter, I could see them, because Seattle's got a luxury second pick. I'm going to read you something about, can I read you something? I'd love it. Okay, this comes from another guy that watches a lot of college football like you, Will Levis. Let's see, hold on. Just so you know, like in my entire first round mock, I didn't have Levis. Can I ask you, you're a former quarterback, Joel.

How much value do you put in him playing in two NFL systems under offensive coordinators from the NFL, as opposed to Richardson, who had kind of a choppy situation with Mullen and all the stuff that went on there the last couple years? Definitely a thing. I don't think it's quite as important as it used to be because the nature of the offensive game and the schematics of the NFL have moved so much further towards the college game. So you've got a lot more of that, and I think it's an easier transition. now than it used to be. And I also think, I got to be honest, I'm hung up on the fact that I cover Penn State a lot.

And we're not talking about a guy who couldn't beat out Dwayne Haskins and had to transfer to LSU and Joe Burrow. That was a bona fide, both great players, someone has to lose the job and the other is going to go and take another opportunity. And Joe Burrow goes to LSU. Will couldn't beat out Sean Clifford, who's also in the same. this draft and we're not talking about him.

That's fair. He's like 25, right? And I mean, Sean, you're saying? Yeah, isn't he older? He's a little bit older, but not a lot older. And listen, that is hard for me to get over. Yeah. I know Sean.

I know the system. I've talked with those guys. And the fact that he couldn't beat him out sticks with me. And then the last thing that I would say about, and this is, by the way, this is my least favorite part of the draft process is that you have to argue against a player. he's still in my top 30, what is it, five players overall. So it's not that I don't like him. I think Will Levis is incredibly talented.

I think he's going to get drafted, and I wish that, and I hope that he has a lot of success. But somebody's going to drop in this draft. But someone's going to drop in this draft. Every year. And why, you know, for me, it's the guy that turns the ball over too much that didn't elevate his team in particular to the level that the other guys did. I mean, name a game in which Will Levis was just the reason Kentucky went out there and won a game. You know, gritty, plays.

They didn't have a lot around him. Didn't have a lot around him. I get it, but you can turn that on and you can see all the other guys raising the level of all the boats in the harbor, you know, around him and the level of play of all the guys around him. So again, I hate knocking guys, but that's why I think Will will fall. Pete Carroll and John Snyder are going to be high-fiving all the way down to Olympia if they get Jalen Carter at five.

Do you know how happy Pete's going to be? Maybe. that when Pete went to USC let me put it this way when Pete went to USC do you know his first big recruit the defensive tackle yeah what was his name is the kid from here

short name yeah yeah yeah not said Ellis it was no I can't think of it he was a great player he was a pro bowler mole or Sean Cody there it is Sean Cody he was a great dude everybody talked about Matt Liner when Pete Carroll got Sean Cody

at USC he told people in the building okay here we go here we go. Do you think there's any question that Jalen Carter will be there at five? There's no doubt in my mind he's going to be there at five. I would take him. Laramie Tunzel had a little smoke around his face on draft day. Dropped.

He's been a great player. Yeah, but you didn't hear the level. I know he's got stuff. That was like a couple poor decisions. Yeah. Jalen shows up and can't get through a pro day workout. Nolan Smith has got to be sitting there like, come on, man. stand up. Like, that's a problem. That's your job interview. I'm not, it's one of these,

it's the hard part about being a general manager. These are kids. They're like 22. I, I mean, I was a tire fire at 23. And I came from, I mean, I came from lived in the same house. I mean, we didn't have any money, but it was like same high school. Some of these kids have had chaotic lives. It's, you know. No, that's, that's fair. Not, I mean, is the NFL the place that you go a change or is it just like whoever you are, it becomes that on steroids? Good question. I think Pete views himself correctly. As a change agent.

That's a way to, I think Pete's great at that. I watched him change a lot of lives at USC. He's taking big swings on guys in the NFL. That's one of Pete's things. High energy and optimism. He is a teacher. Greg Olson told me when he is at Fox. I asked Greg once about meetings.

He said, you can't believe Pete Carroll's meetings. You can't believe him. He goes, every detail, every inch. he goes, when he's playing Belichick and Super Bowls, that is a chess match. Sure. They are, it is a chess match back and forth. And I think Pete's been doing this long enough. He has a system.

And we've talked about this. Pete's great with young players. After about the 30th speech, you know, by the end, Earl Thomas got tired. He's like, okay. Okay. But in the first four to five years with Pete, he's magic. You know, he and Russ wore each other out after time. All right, that was fine.

Russ wore all of Denver out last year. Now, come on now. That's true. Can't blame him. You can't? A little bit. 9%. 8%.

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Starting right tackle probably to start the season. And he can swing to left if Beckton. Most of these guys these days, GMs want swing tackles. Got to do both. It's the reality of the league. We'll start with the Denver Nuggets, who rolled over the Timberwolves in the fourth quarter. last night. I mean, they were up big in the first half.

Minnesota, I think, was like 81% shooting in the third quarter, and then Denver took over in the fourth. Behind my guy, Jamal Murray, 40 Burger, talking some trash. You're not a big Jamal Murray, Phim, dude. He was incredible. You love him. I like him a lot. I think he's a very nice complimentary player. He's a good two.

I would ideally like to have him as a three on a championship team. I think that's a little... It's not favorable enough for me. Yokic had 27, 9, and 9 is the first time the Nuggets have taken a 2-0 series lead under Michael Malone. Nuggets. They'll be in the clubhouse soon. They'll win the series at 5 probably. I had a premonition last night.

Nuggets. Celtics Championship like I predicted? Celtics Nuggets. I don't know who wins. Imagine that. No. First seat and the second seat. So I had Phoenix Milwaukee, and I'm going to stay with it because I do think Cameron Payne's coming back, the backup point guard.

to Chris Paul, and they need another dude bad. I don't know if it's enough. We'll see if it's enough. But I'm going to tell you something. Denver is just laying in the weeds here, and nobody's talking about them, and they're great at home, and they've got this group of guys they've been playing with. Maybe I overlooked them. We'll see.

How about all these Kentucky guys in the postseason dominated? Deerrin Fox, Kentucky. Jamal Murray, Kentucky. Well, they're all five-star high school. How many titles did Calipari get out of these five stars? Well, it's... Underachiever galore. I mean, there's a million Kentucky players in the place.

Well, let's be fair to Calapari. It took these guys a while. I mean, De Aaron Fox is good, but he has really blossomed in the last year and a half. I mean, he had like 39 on Lonzo Ball and a head-to-head meeting in the NCAA. It's not like Deeron Fox and Kentucky don't win games. Fox has been really good. The supporting cast has finally leveled up thanks to adding Sabonis. They added red velvet, Kevin Herder, the young kid out of Baylor, Davian Mitchell.

Like, they've got a good team. I just think this Denver team, man, keep sleeping on him. By the way, next round, Jamal Murray versus Devin Booker. That'll be fun. Let's revisit the Lakers. They could not take advantage of John Moran missing the game. AD struggled. Thirteen points on four of 14 shooting.

And it wasn't really that he shot poorly. I know four, that sounds crazy, four of 14, but they just contested everything. Everything. They had a kid, like a benchwarmer, who blocked a dunk. Did you notice that? Yeah. I mean, they play. They are a better basketball team on the defensive end without John Moran.

There's no question. Here's AD after the game. I just missed them. A lot of shots close to the rim. Normally, you know, may go in. Obviously, I have to be better with that group. Can't have a night like I had tonight and expect us to win. I wish we could play tomorrow.

I say, get home, a couple days rest, a couple days of film. and I'll be ready for game three for sure. One stat that matters a lot in this one. Through two games, Anthony Davis on the floor, Lakers plus 23. AD off the floor, minus 17. Well, this is what they've been the last month. He has been the leader in the clubhouse in the last month. Now, LeBron, when he got hurt and LeBron had to carry the team, I think, December of January,

LeBron rolled, right? He was doing the best he could. You could do that in the regular season. Right. But right now, it's A.D.'s team. When he plays well, they win. He had five blocks, I think, last night. He was everywhere defensively.

But then he goes off the floor, and you can't play LeBron at center. You just can't against Memphis, which is, like, collapsing on everything. I think, and I mentioned on the podcast, I think we're going to see Wenian Gabriel here in game three. You cannot let Xavier Tillman, I don't want to call him a bum, but he, like, a non-factor in game one. He had 22 and 13 last night. Like, come on, Lakers. Come on, Darvinham. Final story.

Jalen Hurts got that five-year. $255 million deal, highest paid player in the NFL. Trevor Lawrence noticed the money about what he thought of the record-setting deal for Hertz. I think that's awesome for guys to be rewarded for their play, and not even their play, but just, you know, I don't know Jaylon super well, but it seems like you know, his character is great and he seems like a great leader, and I think it's always awesome to see guys get rewarded for that and for a team to obviously believe in them that much. And kind of go all in on them. So it's cool to see, and obviously a big

number, which is good for, you know, the future of guys playing the position. So I think it's really cool. Always says the right thing at the podium. By the way, Joe Burrow, I believe, is up next. We've briefly touched on this, but the Browns' I'm sorry not the Browns. The Bengals historically

have been cheap. There's some stories floating out there from players. They better not do any mistake. They're not going to mess around with this Joe Burrow situation, right? The Bengals. I would hope. He's got a vault. Whatever Jalen Hurts got,

Joe Burrow has been better for longer. He deserves more. Yeah. A little bit more. To no brain. Yeah, but again, if I'm Joe Burrow, I don't take the entire bag. I want to be good.

I don't want to see it right now. They may have to get rid of Mixing and T. Higgins if they pay Joe. Oh, no, can't lose Joe Mixing. Well, it's gracious. He's so in. Well, you have turned him into a rotational guy out. He's good.

A guy did message me about it and was like, listen, he can catch passes. He's not that bad. That bad. He's a top seven back in the league. Sacrifices must be made. You need Joe Burrow more than anything. You lose Joe Mixing for a game. All right, we got back up.

I got to tell you something. I like T. Higgins, too. Hey, what about Charbonneau, Charbonne, whatever's name is? UCLA back. There you go. Top of the third round, he's going. Joe Mixing. See you later, pal.

He's replaceable. Joe Burroughs not replaceable. Go ask Bengals. Joe Burroughs not. But I would say if you have to make a decision, I'd keep, I would keep T. Higgins over Joe Mixing, but I like both. Listen, you got to get, there's three, there's two or three. There's three people.

You got to keep Burrow one, Jamar Chase, two, and their edge rusher they got, Hendricks. T. Hendrickson, you got to keep him. He's great. I would say T. Higgins is a, it is, but I already got a receiver. You do, but T. Higgins is, man, he's good. He's good. And Hendrickson, you know, you can find edge rushers.

It's tough to find tall, fast receivers with great hands like T. Higgins, who is okay playing the number two to Chase. Yeah. And when Chase got hurt and T. Higgins was a one, he was great. Yeah, it's fine. It was a really good one. All right, Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. By the way, I thought Dylan Brooks after the game last night, after the win, I thought this was funny because I think he's leaning into it. I think Dylan Brooks is a wrestling heel. He's leaning into it. This was him after the win after the Lakers. You and LeBron have that exchange.

There are people out there that say maybe you shouldn't do that with one of the better players in the game. I guess what were you thinking? I don't care he's old. I poke bears. I don't respect no one until they come and give me 40. I just let him know that, you know, you can't take me one-on-one. You haven't. You can go look at the film.

He doesn't really take me one-on-one until that moment. Then when he got sub-dial, he was tired. That's why I did my job. I like it. I think the NBA is a TV show. He's a wrestling heel. He's leaning into it, trying to unravel players. Some guys unravel themselves.

He doesn't unravel. He's trying to get guys all worked up. I think Dylan Brooks is essential to a high-level NBA team. Essential? The minute somebody starts annoying you, they're effective. He's effective. Not my favorite player. I do love the jacket without the sleeves.

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