The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Look for defense to play a huge part in the Super Bowl, Greg Cosell, Liam Coen

Episode Date: February 5, 2026

Colin talks to Greg Cosell from NFL Films to breakdown Super Bowl LX and what to expect from the Patriots offense and Drake Maye vs the Seahawks number 1 defense He also talks Jaguars HC Liam Coen about his team's turnaround this season including the growth of QB Trevor LawrenceSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Mike Brable told pool reporter Lindsay Jones that his staff in New England had saved elements of the game plan for this week to keep players engaged. And I've said the big advantage in this game is Vrable's been in, what is this, the fourth Super Bowl? This is the 10th for Josh McDaniels. And having a coaching staff with lots of Super Bowl experience is like having a great wedding planner. You're freaking out. It's the first wedding. Emotions are high. And the wedding Planner is like, I've got this. I've got this. There's a lot of I got this with Vrable and Josh McDaniels. The other thing is Fred Warner, the great 49er, talked about just as a player, what's it like from first Super Bowl to second, the things you learn?

The thing you don't realize the first time around is how draining the entire game is. Everything is longer. It's not just a regular season game where, The timeouts are longer. The halftime is longer. There's just so many breaks. The national anthem before the game feels like it takes an hour. So the second time around, I made a conscious effort, pre-game, post-game, the week's leading up.

I said, hey, we have to make sure we can serve our energy when we get to the sidelines because it's going to be a four-quarter ball game. And that's what Vrable and Josh McDaniel, they're preaching that to the players, conserve some energy, all this. anxiety is going to sap energy. Everything is longer. So I think one of the advantages of New England is

Vrable and Josh have been in this game so many times before. Seahawks need a wedding planner. And with that, Greg Kosell, 46 years, NFL films joining us live. So

last year the Patriots had Drake May. They had a lot of this personnel. And they were unwatchable. 31st yards per game. This year, you still have Drake May. They made some acquisitions,

but Hunter Henry was here last year. He's there this year. When you look at New England's offense, year to year, is it free agent signings, is it the draft, or is it just schemes and coaching? A massive upgrade. Why?

I think it's schemes and coaching and the natural development of Drake May. You know, Colin, we've talked for years. You know how big a believer I am in coaching with quarterbacks. Very, very, very few quarterbacks are transcendent. That you can just go out there and it doesn't matter what the system is, what the schematics are. It all comes down to that, in my opinion, in many, many ways. And I think that's a big difference.

And I know for a fact, the way Josh McDaniels went about dealing with Drake May, and they basically gave him everything because he can handle it mentally. and then you can work down as opposed to just giving it incrementally, giving it to him that way. So it'll be interesting because, you know, it's funny. I don't know how you feel about this game, but this game, to me, believe it or not, has much more of a defensive feel to it than an offensive feel. Yeah, I think it is a, I've said this, I think it's 2420. I think field goals and special teams will matter.

I think a lot of it's played in between the 30s. I think it's a very physical game. Yeah, I mean, my sense, look, no one can predict turnovers and short fields, which obviously change games. Can Shaheed take one to the house on a pun return or kickoff return? Sure. You know, can Darnal hit Shaheed for a big one? Yeah, those things can happen. But I don't see this game as being a game where you're going to see a meaningful number of 11, 12, 13 play long drives for touchdowns.

And I think one of the things in this game, and we rarely talk about this, the defensive tackle, rotations in this game for both teams are really high level. And I wonder how that's going to impact the run games because you look at what New England brings to the table with Barmore, Williams, even some unknown players like Corey Durdent and Tonga. Then you look at Seattle. We know about Leonard Williams and Murphy, Jaron Reed. It's very hard to run the ball inside against these defensive fronts. And I think both teams will definitely feel the need to have the run game to be a meaningful part of their offensive approach. Why did Sam Darnold and J.S.N?

It felt like it clicked very early. And we know this is not the case with all quarterback wide receiver combos. It takes time. These guys click immediately. Why? You know, I think a lot of that also has to do with schematics, because aren't you always amazed at times when you see really great receivers being so open? You wonder, God, he's a great receiver, he's open.

And that gets down to the schematics of the offense. And I think one of the things that Seattle does exceptionally well, we actually saw it last year in Minnesota with Donald, was under center play action. And I've always believed that under center play action is much more effective than shotgun or pistol play action, because what are you trying to do? You're trying to influence and put second-level defenders in conflict.

And when it takes more time for a second level defender to determine whether it's pass or run and the run game and the past game are married together so well, then they get caught in conflict and you see a lot of those in-breaking routes that the Seahawks were really, really good at against single high safety coverage. And you saw Smith and Jigba being able to run those routes and essentially be open. And they move him around a lot too. He predominantly lines up outside, 80% of his snaps, but they move him around a lot. And, you know, I'm not sure that the Patriots are going to put Christian McDonzalus on him

because that affects other defenders too. People aren't aware of that. It's not just one guy. What I remember when Kenneth Walker was at Michigan State, he was very good post, very good post-contact. Well, he's very good post-contact as a pro. How do they use him in Seattle? Do you like the way they use him? You know, I think that over the last five, six weeks, he's become a different runner and a better runner. Because to me, and this is the way I evaluated him coming out of college, and I thought he was like this for his early years in the league, and he hasn't been in the league that long.

But I always described him, Colin, as much more of a jazz musician, improvisational guy, as opposed to a classical pianist who follows all the notes. but over the last five, six weeks, he has run inside much, much better. He's gotten what we call the hard yards. And I think when you play in games like this, a yard, two yards, three yards, those yards matter. Now, I also think that the Patriots, because of Rabel's background with Belichick, will do a much better job than recent opponents of the Seahawks in setting the edge. And you're not going to see Walker get outside the way he has against some other opponents in recent weeks.

Is there something that stands out with the Seahawks defense that just jumps off the film for you, or is it just consistent the ability to play and mesh all their levels of football together? What does the tape say? Two things stand out. I would say Williams and Murphy on the inside and the versatility of so many of their safeties and corners. Because don't forget, we know about Emin Worry, and again, I know he got heard and we'll

wait and see on that, but let's assume he plays. He's essentially a Sam linebacker in their system, but he does so many things. He can match up to wide receivers, as we're seeing, but also love was a corner in college. Witherspoon can play outside, can play inside. They have tremendous versatility with their back-in players, which allows them to do multiple things from a coverage and a pressure standpoint because Eminuari and Witherspoon are both very good blitzers. And while the Seahawks are not a high percentage blitz defense. When they do blitz, they're very, very good at it. Do these two teams look like, I mean, again, I see a close, low-scoring game.

How do they match up on film? Are there glaring holes for, I worry about New England's O line matching up, but I worried about that the last three weeks and three games and they won. How do they match up? Yeah. I would say that the left side of the Patriots O line with the two rookies, Wilson and Campbell are potential issues. Again, the Patriots know this, so it depends on how the game is played.

Because now you get into situational football, and if you get into too many long-yarded situations, do they feel they need to help Campbell? I mean, obviously the edge pass rushers for Seattle, maybe they're not quite at the level that they played against in the playoffs, but they're still very good. So the question is, do they feel they need to help Campbell? How about Wilson, the rookie left guard? What do they feel about him going up against perhaps Williams or at times they even move Lawrence inside?

So I think that it'll be interesting to see how the Patriots handle that, knowing that that is a potential concern when you get to pure pass and third down situations. Yeah, you kind of talked about strength and weakness there. I want to circle back to Sam Darnold. Yeah. You know, I said just because of his early years, years, if he has a bad pick in the Super Bowl, people will just be like,

see, I told you so. No question. No question. And Drake May will be able to get away because Drake May, our early impressions are, boy, he's really young and talented, so he'll get away with more. I mean, just darn old can't throw a bad pick. But here's

something else, I think. Fred Warner mentioned this yesterday. So Seattle and the Rams play these wildly entertaining games, and they both look like absolutely dynastic, unbelievable rosters. New England plays in blizzards

and against good defenses. So the takeaway with New England is their offense stinks. And I'm like, no, they dropped 31 on Buffalo. So you have to be very careful about recency bias, in my opinion, on New England's offense. I still like it. Greg, I like

New England's offense. Now they get a play in California weather. What do you like about the Patriots offense that we probably haven't seen a lot of in the last month. Yeah, it's a great point because all throughout the season, May was terrific and their past game was really good. I really like the way they attacked.

They work the intermediate areas of defenses really, really well with their route concepts. Protection will be the key, as we just mentioned. But yeah, again, no one knows what Drake May is going to do. He's a second-year player playing in a Super Bowl. You never know. But throughout the course of the season, their past game very dynamic it was really very schematic really good they did a lot of things conceptually that

define reads and throws for may um i would expect that to be the case you know as i said if he's under duress that changes things but the other thing to keep in mind may's legs are a big deal he had more scrambles this season than any quarterback in the nfl keep that in mind and i was very surprised that Denver, you know, it didn't really do a lot to address that in that game. Now, Seattle, historically this season, has not used a spy.

Now, with two weeks to prepare, could they do that? Sure. But you know, Mike McDonald is aware of May's leg. So he's going to have some plan that accounts for that in those pure pass and third down situations. Great stuff. I've said before, you know, if I was a better, I would take the points here

and the under. I think it's close and low scoring. It's very hard to project how game is played, but it sounds like you expect, you expect a tough physical low-scoring game. That's what you're kind of projecting, right? Morse, yeah, and by that, I don't mean it'll be 10-7, but I'm with you.

I mean, because I get asked all the time, and I have to pick scores. I think I pick 2320 or 2317, and I think you feel the same way, and I pick Seattle, but, you know, when I pick games, it's, you know me, Colin, and I could give you 10 reasons on either side, so I never can pick these games with great conviction.

Great stuff. Greg Kosel, love your 15-minute breakdown. Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Really appreciate it. For the record, it is, now, if you ask me, okay, it's a blowout. Yeah, I would take Seattle. I could see Seattle's defensive front just wearing out Will Campbell. I could see, you know, one little injury on the O line for the Patriots in a line that's struggling, it's man overboard.

In fact, J-MAC just told me there's an alternative bet you can make. I think this is an interesting one. Yeah, there's alt lines you could bet Seattle minus 10 and a half, Seattle minus 14 and a half. And if you believe, like you said, Patriots' offensive line struggles. You know, go look at the Patriots who they played down the stretch. A lot of backup quarterbacks. A lot of coaches that got fired. Didn't look great.

And, you know, I think Seattle could easily win this 27-7 in kind of a beatdown. Like Drake made chasing against that pressure, I don't know, Colin. I don't see it. I'm starting to lean Seattle blowout here. I did call Eagles blowout over the Chiefs last. You did. Was it last year? And that takes courage. Yeah.

I don't have the courage. I'm calling it low-scoring and close. I just put my money where my mouth is. And my mouth is a lot of people. I talk a lot of trash. But I do like Seattle here. Considering your Bitcoin losses. I have suffered some Bitcoin losses in the last three months.

You know, I'm going to go back to my job at Burger King on weekends. No, nothing wrong. We'll see what happens. All right. Let's, Liam Cohen's coming up today. Ryan Fitzpatrick, who's a fascinating guy, fascinating. Former Jets quarterback, Ryan Fitzpatrick. Yeah. Ryan Fitzpatrick, you know, he comes out of Harvard.

Everybody's like, oh, smart guy. He was kind of a playmaker. He was a way better athlete that people give him credit for. He moved like Drake Bay, kind of, like just elusive. Ryan Fitzgerald was a playmaker. And by the way, there's a little Darnold where he could be a little reckless. He loved to take big swings. Like Ryan Fitzpatrick had no, he let it rip.

Came close to get into the Jets to the playoffs. There was a week 17 game where he had three picks against Buffalo. He didn't get a lot of great coaching and he was a risk taker. And Liam Cohen, who basically course corrected Trevor Lawrence this year. I like that guy's story. Well, he is feisty. He is feisty. He's on our show.

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quarterback take your pick next hour with ryan fitzpatrick and j mac with the news no no no turn on the news this is the herd line news Colin, Drake May breaking some news. So his shoulder injury? Feeling great. This is the first healed shoulder after a plane ride. He said that as soon as the flight touched down in the Bay Area on Sunday, his shoulder felt better. I don't know what kind of massage he was getting on the plane, but Drake May sounds like he's going to be 100% go for the Super Bowl.

He has had a rough postseason. I don't know if it's a shoulder. People want to blame it on the weather or him being a young quarterback. I haven't seen it during this postseason. and I'm honestly worried about him against the Seattle defense. I'm not. The Amin Worry, the safety for Seattle, I'm a little worried about his versatility.

I always think every year in the Super Bowl, what worries me in the Super Bowl is a left tackle, like Kansas City, like a left tackle can't play, and the other team has a good pass rush. Drake May is, I mean, listen, Sam Darnold has been playing for a month with an oblique injury and doesn't practice. Sam Donald just played his best game as a pro against an excellent defense and didn't practice.

I think Drake May is going to be fine. So there was a breakdown. Warren Sharp, I think you know him. He's come on my podcast before. He had a good breakdown of the cover six defense that McDermott used in the second meeting against Drake May. And May was flustered. It kind of mixed his zone and man on each side of the field. And May really struggled and teams threw it at him.

And he did not handle it well. in the postseason, he's seen a lot of that. Now he's got two weeks to kind of tweak some things, but let me be real, that schedule they played down the stretch, it's like, oh, they killed the dolphins, they looked great. It was Quinn Ewer starting. Dolphins were garbage. Then it was like, oh, they smashed the jets.

The jets were tanking, starting another bad quarterback. I'm just saying this Patriots team, Colin, not very impressive. The win over the Ravens was nice. Remember the prime time win? Let's be fair. You came on the air. You love the Chargers. I love the Chargers.

And they dominated them. Crushed that. Their two teams this year dominated the Chargers. Jacksonville and the Patriots. I like the Texans as well against... Well, Texans was a really tough matchup. Well, they were in that game until the fourth, until, you know, May hits the one-arm catch-by.

So he almost like you're forgetting that Patriot-dominating win over the Chargers. No, I'm just remembering the embarrassing effort against the Broncos and a backup quarterback and barely winning 10-7. And playing the weakest schedule this century, Colin. This century. Go Seahawks. All right, let's move to, oh, how about this one? Joe Burrow, Colin.

You know, obviously he's a superstar with the Bengals. Well, Jay Glazer was giving an interview yesterday, the Fox NFL insider. And he said, keep an eye on Joe Burrow this offseason. There's an interesting storyline developing. I want to see what happened to Joe Burrow. Do you think that's real? You think Joe could end up somewhere else? I just want to keep my eye on it

I think people are going to go after it doesn't mean they're going to be willing to it but I think people are going to go after it yeah I mean Joe Burrow body language alone has been visibly if not distraught disappointed with the Bengals

understandably yeah I think Joe Burrow and you know Cincinnati can say whatever they want, but I mean, I don't necessarily think the way Cincinnati's constructed that I would take the call if I was Cincinnati, because they're not going to spend money on the offensive linemen and free agency. They're not, they don't have the big scouting department. All it takes is one more injury to Burrow, and the Bengals have shown no aptitude to protect him. They've shown no ability to protect him.

They have not had a top 15-0 line since he arrived. You know Burrow would go. If McBay called tomorrow, Joe Burrow would be on the first private jet to L.A., and if I'm Cincinnati, you can say we're not going to do it, but one more injury in Joe's market is very small. Let's just spitball here. The Houston Texans call up and say, hey, we'll give you CJ Stroud and three number ones for Burrow. If I was Cincinnati, I would do it. And not because I think CJ is better than him, but CJ doesn't have an injury history.

And three number ones for a very very... cheap organization that doesn't want to go by elite players, they can get them in the draft. And in free agency, Cincinnati is struggling to lure guys because of the notorious cheapness and around the facility, like not fixing stuff, and they grade very low in some of those like. Arizona and Cincinnati grade very low among players. Like these, the owner of the Bengals, it's just crazy to me, is that like they, they lack self-awareness.

Like everybody inside the league is like, that's not a place you want to. Yeah. Like, if you, are you going to move your family? Now, they do, they don't run through coaches. Like, they don't want to have any dead coach money. They hang on to Zach. They hang on stuff. And whatever you think, but it's like players don't look at Cincinnati as a great landing spot.

Players are just like everybody else in society. They talk and gossip. Yeah. And they're like, you don't want to be here. So I'm trying to think, like, could the Vikings do, well, they would have no, Bengals would not want Justin Jefferson and picks, right? They have receivers. I'm trying to think of someone who needs a quarterback and is close.

and could give up a star player or two and come through like a, it's tough to find one. Moving off Borough, that would be... They've shown no ability to consistently be able to protect him. You know, we have a Bengals fan on the staff. I wonder... He has been distraught since the Super Bowl. Final story is it's official Bill Belichick

will not be a first ballot Hall of Famer. This has led to questions about other people's Hall of Fame first ballot potential. Rob Grankowski, I kind of sort of love this one from Grong. He believes one coach should not be first ballot since Belichick is not. Ridiculous. I mean, Coach

Belichick needs to be in the Hall of Fame and it needed to be a first ballot. Now there's no such thing as a First Ballot Hall of Fame coach. No other coach ever in history should go first ballot. And there's a guy out there, Andy Reid, but he can't go first ballot now because Coach Belichick wasn't first ballot. I like that. Well, wait

a minute. What are you saying? Well, Andy didn't have, you know, a couple of spy gates. Was Belichick suspended for the spy gate? I forgot. No, he wasn't. Well, they gave up a first round pick, a third round pick. League doesn't like to do that fine. $500,000. I think he may have been fined even more the second time. There's a lot of suffixes. There's a lot of gates. Suffixes.

So what do you call? But honestly, like, nobody in football thinks Andy Reid's a better coach than Bill Beleth. Nobody. Andy Reid has won with eight different quarterbacks. Belichick wins fourth. What is he won with eight different? Donovan McDabby got to a Super Bowl. They didn't win it.

You get to a Super Bowl. Belichick won 11 games or whatever with the Browns in his first tour of duty. 10 or 11, something like that. Let him go. That's the Browns. That's their fault. Listen, I like Reed a lot. He's done some good things, but I just, I'm kind of with Gronk here.

If Belichick is not first ballot, what coach can be? Nobody's got a better resume than him. I'm kind of a cheaters never prosper guy. He's dug in. All right. No, I'm not anti-anything. But I said as everybody was freaking out, I'm just as bothered by Robert Kraft,

who won pre-Bellate-Jack and post-Belichick and has 11 Super Bowl appearances. And Jerry Jones is in? And Robert Kraft isn't? Yeah, was, yeah. That, to me, I don't know. My owner is in the hall of the name.

I, oh, I know. Yeah, you're one of these owners. They didn't play. They don't do anything. What's the worst job you ever have? I'm embarrassed to say on air. I worked at a car wash. I was so angry my parents wouldn't give me like a real allowance.

So I got a job at a car wash. That did not last long. I'll just say that. And why didn't it last long? Was the boss lousy? They made me do stuff I didn't want to do and then I, like, rebelled. You mean like work? Just not stuff I want to talk about on air.

It was just not fun. I was like, I don't want to do this stuff. I think you were a lot more high maintenance than your, you're, you're, you're, letting all. I know. I was high maintenance. Now I'm low maintenance. I'm very low maintenance.

As you know well. I sure do. I know a lot well. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. It's so interesting to me how people weren't bothered at all by Robert Kraft not getting in,

but they're deeply bothered by Belichick. And I would ask every single person, let me ask you right now, if you are working somewhere and you're not really happy. Ask yourself why you're not happy. And I bet in almost every instance, you don't love management. You don't love the vision of the company. You don't love the product you're selling. You don't trust them.

It's not coworkers. It's not where you live. It's not where the plant is based. It's usually, I've said this before my career. I've been so lucky. I've had, I have had overwhelming luck with you know, quality of bosses and, you know, quality of environments and lived in Vegas and and Tampa and L.A. and Chicago and, you know, great, great places to live. Even northeast in

the summers and falls amazing. So, but people aren't bothered by Robert Kraft. It's like Jerry Jones is in. Robert Kraft isn't. You're totally okay with that. Nothing against Jerry, but, I mean, Jerry calls himself the GM. Robert Kraft has one time in his career, reached down and said, we're not going to do this with personnel. The Jimmy Garoppolo, Tom Brady situation. And he was right. Tom still had a lot left in the tank.

Okay, we've got Liam Cohen. Also, take your pick. I will say the money's overwhelmingly on Seattle. I did my take my pick this morning. Man, Seattle is good. there is no getting around that Seattle is really good. We had Fred Warner on yesterday talking about that. Fred Warner obviously knows Sam Darnold, former teammate, played against him.

I mean, a lot of this is just Darnold played a perfect game against the Rams. You can't unsee that. You know, 10 days ago, whatever it was. Here's Fred Warner on Darnel. He was a great teammate. He fit right in. You know, that's why I'm so happy for his success. and the way that he's played throughout these playoffs.

Of course, I wish he didn't play as well against the old Niners. But for him as a person, man, and being a former teammate of mine, I am happy for Sam. You know, and he's always had Uber ability, like Uber talent. The ability to put the ball wherever he wants to manipulate arm angles and do those sort of things. He's just done worrying about what everybody else got to say about him. Hey, man, I'm just going to play the game. I'm going to play the position the way it's meant to be played. And I'm going to trust my team, trust my teammates.

And ultimately, that's why they have a chance of winning a Super Bowl. And he did just that last week. Live in L.A., it's The Hurt. Be sure to catch live editions of The HARD Weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeard Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news.

What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts.

We're starting a trend. But, This one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was...

This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, where people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, hey Jonas. and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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us live in San Francisco. So let's start with this because I think it's kind of fascinating. I love getting these coaches on the air about this. So I love, like everybody else, I saw him playing high school. I saw Trevor at a high school camp and I was like bro, that guy is like, wow.

I loved him at college and I but he was a bit turn-over. overprone, mechanics weren't always clean, and then you, so when you take over him, do you break him down because there was a massive jump? He played much cleaner with you. And Ben had to do this with Caleb to some degree. He'd been beaten up, lost some confidence. What did you do in the first three weeks, four weeks with Trevor, because the ascension was noticeable very quickly. What in the hell does you do? Colin, thanks for having me on, man. I really appreciate it.

a ton of respect for you in this program. Trevor was so cool to work with at an early point because of the humility you talked about, of being able to say, man, I do want to break this thing down. I'd like to change my footwork in the shotgun. He was always a right foot forward guy. I ended up wanting to go left foot forward. That was his idea. That was something that I was comfortable with after working with Matthew and Baker.

And we started there, Colin. He wasn't able to throw all of for a long time during spring. because of a shoulder surgery. So we were able to really start from the ground up, really start with the footwork, start to work with the playbook, the protections, the schemes from the neck up

without worrying about the result of a completion. Right? Like, we're just worrying about your footwork and your thought process, going through the cycle of the snap without worrying about the throw. And then, okay, get into training camp, now we're getting closer,

now we're getting closer, and it did. It took some time. We were able to run the football effectively early in the season, which helped us win games, and Trevor managed the game at a high level, and then once, man, the past game took off,

he brought us to a whole other level. Yeah. It is, you know, it's funny. Like Drake May moves, Donald moves, he moves. I mean, Goff and Matt Stafford don't. But what is the line on wanting your guy to move and not get whacked? Because a couple of times with Trevor this year,

I'm like, bro, get down. You are a big target. He got smoked in a game. It may have been one of your playoff games earlier in the year. It just got smoked. What is the line for a coach? You want that third downescapability, but he is the franchise. How do you coach that?

That is the finest line that you walk, honestly, with a guy like Trevor that, I mean, he's legit high four, five, four, six that can really run. Athletic, big, strong, has an advantage, right? It's an advantage for us when he can get moving. And while you also want your quarterbacks to go through progressions and read it one to two to three and find a check down or be able to keep the ball and play because if you check it down and we gain 10 yards, well, you just took a negative into a positive and you didn't take a hit. Well, when he's able to go scramble, push up in the pocket, slide out, go run. Now you've made the defense defend every blade of grass and you make it very frustrating on the defense. So that was a lot of conversations, Colin. I actually remember after the Kansas City game,

his wife Marissa was like, dude, you got to slide. You know, you got to get down. Hey, I'm like, man, as long as you feel like you're protecting yourself. And look, he just wanted to compete his tail off this year, prove to a lot of people that he can do it, prove to himself that he can continue to play at a high level. And I think when you do that, Colin, you earn your players trust and you earn their respect.

And that's something that Trevor was able to do. do this year. You know, I said you played the Seahawks and you hammered some really good teams. The Chargers game, you unraveled teams. There was one game though, the Seattle game where it was like, and I've said this all year

about Seattle, turn the sound down and watch Seattle. They just look longer. They are fast. They are young. And with young teams, you get energy, you get more mistakes. But when they're a humming, they look different. Let's go back to that game against Seattle. You're on the sideline.

Did you look at that and think that team may be a Super Bowl team? There's no question preparing for that team that we were very aware of the physicality, the way that they played their coverage structures in the back end. You could tell was extremely tied together. Mike does a phenomenal job. I think his coaching staff does as well. But you can see they've got waves of rushers, right, Colin? They've got groups up front in their front seven specifically that can really

impact and affect the quarterback. It's not just one. It's not just two. I think the big nickel. Humanoa kid is unbelievable in terms of the athlete, the freak, the ability to play coverage and rush and defend the run. They are exciting. It's an exciting defense and then really offensively a ton of explosive plays, right? They've lived and died by the explosive play. Sam's playing at a high level. I think the run game is really coming to life and thought they did great things over the course of the year. A lot of props to Mike for what they were able to do this year. And you're right.

You can turn the tape. If you just watch and listen, they play the game the way it's supposed to be played. You know, Mike Vrable, we were talking about very few coaches, like have a brand, and it usually takes years to develop. And it was about halfway

through his career in Tennessee. I started seeing this video of Mike Vrable and the players after the game, long snappers, quarterbacks, rush edge. And I'm like, If I had two words to describe Brable, it would be like tough love. Nobody's going to love you more. Nobody's going to support you more. It's almost like a fatherly figure.

And you have a very close relationship with your players. It's hard, Liam. Sometimes you have to give them really bad news. But you also have to have their respect. And you've got to be an alpha. You're leading successful, driven men in a career that pays well and is very short. when you see this stuff of Rable and how does it

land for you a coach watching that coach and that relationship that's everything to me is the relationships like this take football back to Pop Warner take it to high school take it to college it's the brotherhood it's the relationships it's the trust

it's the connection in the locker room the coaches and players having a real honest open conversations that yeah you're right can be difficult can be challenging but if you approach those conversations and tough ones as a man and bring it to them as a man without really ego involved from your standpoint or the organization standpoint. Those guys can usually take that stuff like men and they can handle it like men. And that's what they want to be treated like. Their pros,

we're working together. You know, I happen to be the head football coach. And so when you can make them not feel like a line on a piece of paper of a playbook, I think those guys are going to play a lot harder for you. I think those guys in the fourth quarter are going to reach and find something. Maybe they didn't have. So those are the type of relationships that we would like to have with our players, our coaching staff, and you can see Braves. Coach Braves has that without a question. Well, it's interesting. Jacksonville always had a reputation, kind of a sleepy town, warm weather. And if you look at the NFL, Liam, I don't know if you're aware of this, but there's never been a warm weather dynasty. And I've always argued, you know, in college football, you play the warm, you play

a lot of your big games inside, right, or in the south. In the NFL, there is value in playing in New England and Baltimore and Green Bay and Seattle. And what's interesting about Jacksonville is how do you create a tough physical, almost northeastern kind of, you know, attitude when it's 72 degrees a lot. The beach, you can smell the salt. Like, how do you do that as a staff, create an... And it's weird to say it, but almost a northern toughness in a southern place. That was exactly what we said when we got here, Colin, like working with Tony Bisselli, James Gladstone,

about what we really wanted this to look like. I mean, when your executive vice president of football operations is a left tackle, right? And your general manager is a coach's son. You're going to have fallen into synchronicity with what you're... you really wanted to look like. And we knew if we wanted to get where we want to go, ultimately it was when a Super Bowl is we're going to have to go run the football and stop the run in places like Baltimore, New England, Buffalo, Kansas City. And look, that's something that's football, man. It's what it was when we were five years old playing this game. And I was fortunate enough to grow up

around Division III football watching my dad coach every day. And, you know, you're putting car lights, to have night practice. And they're getting, my dad's making sandwiches, my mom's making sandwiches for the players to have on the bus. I mean, that's what I grew up in. And I don't think that really changes based on the level you're at. If you want to be a tough brand of football and play that way, great.

Or you can go play Star Wars and play seven on seven. And maybe that stuff works. But I just think that this game's meant to play violence, meant to be physical. and I think it shows with the way that we coach and play. Well, I look at your coaching resume, and I see Maine and UMass and Rhode Island and Brown, which is, for the record, a beautiful part of the country. But it is, I like that.

You got some Northeast kid in you, and I love that. And you have crushed, and you turn, man, you turn that puppy around fast, and I'd love to have you on again, and just keep crushing. You're good for the lead. I appreciate it, Colin. Thank you very much for having me on. All right. Liam Cohen.

Yeah, it's former college assistant, and I see all these Northeast schools. Chip Kelly did a lot of that, too, before he was discovered by Oregon. So it's crazy. I think, like a lot of you, I was a huge Trevor Lawrence fan. And I got to the point where I'm like, yeah, he just makes too many mistakes.

And all of a sudden you watch immediately, and you're like, okay, got his guy. You know, Baker, for the record, Baker Mayfield had Liam Cohen and Dave Conallis. And then they leave. and then it doesn't quite work as well. A lot of success for quarterbacks. I mean, Matt Stafford did not win a playoff game.

Pre-McVeigh. Okay, look how good he is. I mean, look at Sam Darnold, New York. I mean, last week, or a week and a half ago, Stafford Darnold, go take their first five years in the NFL, Stafford and Darnold. If I would have tried to sell you on, yeah, right now they're in the NFC.

They'll meet in the NFC championship. I thought I said that after four years of Darnold and four years of Stafford so much. That's why it's don't give up in any field on young people. I don't care if you're a young teacher, a young attorney. It doesn't matter. Just you don't give up. When you're young, especially, you need stronger support than when you're old. I mean, at this point, I got gray hair.

I am what I am. I mean, I have to deal with J-Mack. That's difficult. But outside of that, it's easy living. I've made my mind up. maintenance Mac. That's the new nickname going around the building. Is it going around the building and then bouncing right back to you? We got a Nick Amonwari update from Mike McDonald. He is saying that he's confident,

quote, that his safety will play in the Super Bowl. Young athletes heal quickly. It's called a low ankle sprain, not the high one. High ones are bad. Okay, low ankle sprain. That walk into the set. Yeah, yeah. Suffer one of those every week. Low ankle sprains don't mean any. And this guy's a machine. He's what, like 23 years old, young superstar? Yeah. You'll be fine. All right, we got good stuff.

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