The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - HOUR 2 - Luka, Butler

Episode Date: May 13, 2022

Luka carries Mavs to a seventh game with Suns  Jimmy Butler's comments after the game   Guest: Jason Terry   #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Game 6, Bucks, Celtics. everybody avoids that dreaded Saturday night, right? But game seven will have between the Mavs and the Sons. And it's just interesting. Like, life's a curious journey. Don't believe me, I give you Chris Paul. Right? Chris Paul, early in his career, you know, he had the nutshot

where he hit Julius Hodge in the unmentionables when he's in college. college. So there were there were some that held that against him. But generally, Chris Paul, pretty amazing story, right? A guy who didn't play varsity basketball until his junior year, a guy who, you know, Carolina didn't offer, even though he grew up sleeping in a Carolina blanket, goes to Wake Forest. And, and, and in terms of point guard basketball, there were times in New Orleans when she was utterly and completely dominant, you know, and New Orleans, of course, played in Oklahoma City as well. Goes to the clippers, they have Lobb City,

but they could never get out of the second round. And Chris Paul went from a kind of beloved figure to, God, he kind of wears on people. Kind of wears on people. Went to Houston, and there were moments in which it worked, but ultimately they came up short. Goes to Oklahoma City, and it was like a rebirth for him because the thought was that was just a way station for him.

But look at what? what he did and how he played and how he helped that club. Then he goes to Phoenix and we forget that. Before he got to Phoenix, that thing was a mess. The combination of Chris Paul and Monty Williams. And then, of course, the continued emergence of Devin Booker and Dianne and others. But, like, Booker was there. And if you remember, how many do you have against the, how many do you have that 190, like 72?

And they lost the game. They took a picture. And people were like, you're lost. the game, you're taking a picture of the number of points scored? It felt like a team that celebrated the wrong things. They found Chris Paul, they found their coach,

they found their way. Started in the bubble and then just continued on. Right? Last year you get to the NBA finals, suddenly now he's point God. But in this series, some of the old Chris Paul has reemerged. The

flopping and flailing and selling calls and throwing your body into people backfired on him greatly going to game four. I thought frankly unfairly so. But there was, I think, at least a reasonable sense of like, look, Chris Paul didn't, there was a couple calls that absolutely positively felt like they were the wrong calls. Didn't go his way. But how many has he gotten in a lifetime where he was on the opposite end of that? Then, of course, there's the unwanted hug moment, which felt.

like was raised to a level that it didn't need to be in terms of negative energy. But the big thing is the trash talking to Luca. You know, Devin Booker in game five with a flop late in the game and said he was pulling a Luca. You know, there's something about talking trash that people should know. We have this image of the best NBA players talking trash. They all talk trash, right? Larry Bird was a trash talker, Jordan was a trash talker. You know, I don't remember Magic being much of a trash talker. But Jordan and Bird were seen as incredible trash talkers.

And the thing about talking trash to people is this. Not everybody reacts the same, right? It's kind of like drinking. Some people drink, angry drunk. Some people drink mellow. Some people drink. goofball. Some people drink, I just want to dance.

The same is true with Trash Talk. It's like when you dare a guy to shoot, you play like five feet off. Some guys get in their own head and being wide open, they're actually not as good as shooter. Some guys, you leave wide open and it's a bucket every time.

With Trash Talk, when you talk trash to the wrong dude, Right? Now, at the park or at whatever your workout club is, you talk trash to the wrong dude, and one, he may light you up, two,

he may get super physical, three, he may be waiting for you after the game. It's one of those things where you just, you don't know what somebody's going through, you don't know who they are, you don't, you just, it may feel good at the time, but the fact is that you really don't know how that guy's going to react.

I kind of feel that way with the sons talking trash to Luca. You know, the son's talking trash to Luca. It's like you remember when, was it Dave McMenneman? He asked Chris Paul about Luca and stopping Luca, and he started naming dudes that Theo Pinson that didn't even play. You know, they've done everything they can to diminish Luca to make fun of how he sells calls and how he. he plays to talk trash to him.

This was Luca last night after the game. I like when people with trash talk. It's fun, man. It's basketball. There's going to be a lot of trash talking, and I like it. It's fun for me. It's competitive basketball, and I like it. Huh.

Yeah, I like it. Some guys don't like it. Some guys, you talk trash to them, and they stop. They quit. They question themselves. They hesitate. You get into the dude's head, and he gets in his own head. some guys you talk trash to and you wish you hadn't you know you wish you hadn't now i i've

always said this about richard sherman there's lots of things that i didn't love about richard sherman but that dude would would talk to talk walk walk obviously late in his career injuries and you know the ego that that he had based upon his performances early in the career but early in his career he he talked to talk, you'd walk to walk. Luca, you're talking trash to the wrong dude.

You just are. You know? And as much as this will go counter to what I said yesterday in regards to Jason Tatum or the Celtics, you know, that it's not their time

yet. They still haven't grown and matured and seen it and felt it. Luca won a Euro Cup. And it's not like he was with one of the powerhouses. A Euro Cup. The best team in Europe. I'm Slovenia. He won a Euro League.

Did you see the videos that Kevin Durant was posting from Greece as his buddy Mike James, who I think plays in Turkey. They're playing in Greece in the EuroLeague. Do you guys see those videos where they're light and flares in the stands? And they're singing songs and chanting. Like, you think there's good home court of band is at either the gardens,

Boston or Madison Square. And then you see that, you're like, holy hell, that puts Cameron indoor to shame. I'm not saying the level of talent is what it is in the NBA, but let's not act like he hasn't seen gigantic moments and had and felt the pressure

and the burden of trying to make the right plays. And many times over, he's been able to make those plays. Despite his age and lack of NBA playoff experience, he's got plenty of experience. And the Sons may have made a move which I don't know if it was calculated or he just rubbed him the wrong way. But talking trash to Luca Donchik appears to be the wrong thing to do. He appears to actually enjoy it and play better. He, he, I don't know, he's not a tiger curled up in the back of his cage, but you definitely.

Definitely rattled it. Man, was he good last night? Jason Terry joins us upcoming next. I'll get his thoughts on Luca, the possibility of Dallas winning this series, winning a game seven. They do have the best player on the floor, and they have a shooter's chance to win it.

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as we have real conversations about healing, growth, fatherhood, pressure, and purpose on my new podcast, learn the hard way. Open your free, our heart radio app. Search learn the hard way and listen now. Fox Sports Radio, the IHeart Radio app. You know, I understand how we all yearn for the days of Nolan Ryan throwing no hitter after no hitter after no hitter, right?

Like we do. We wish guys were as durable as the great Nolan Ryan. And, you know, look, those very, very few of us Angel fans love that the angels got a no hitter. other night, right? I mean, that was pretty spectacular stuff for a franchise that has been so maligned for so many years. You know, you get a rookie to go out and read Detmer's and throw one.

But this, I don't know if you guys, we'll get to the news at a second. Clayton Kershaw is on the injury list already. So to the, he's, you should have had him go out there and try for the perfect game like Do you know anything about Clayton Gersh? No, it was his first start of the year. More news on that because it's a different injury than you would possibly think. That in a second. First, let's welcome in the Jet.

Jason Terry, of course, played 19 years in the NBA. He's coached in the league. He's coached in college as well. He's a member of the Mavericks championship team in 2011. Jet, thanks so much for taking some time. What did you think of Luca last night? man you know what I was there last night and I was also there for game four and he's just a different breed you know playing 19 years in the league and playing against hall of famers and you know all time greats I can honestly say not being out there on the floor with them but watching him up close he's an all he's going to be an all time great it's just the way he plays the game his ability to impact the game and make the guys eyes around him better.

It's amazing. And then he plays with a certain grit, a certain toughness, a certain swagger that you love to see as a competitor. It's fun to watch, man. I'm inspired by the way he's playing. And it's not easy because he's going up against the team that was in the Western, I'm sorry, within the NBA finals last year. And to me, one of the best teams in the league, if not the best.

Look, I know that you like to talk a little bit. Guys talk trash to you. But there has to have been guys that on the Sky Report, like, don't talk trash to this dude. It feels like he's that guy, right? Like, Devin Booker and the trash talk, it feels like he's that guy that. And right, there are people like that that you played against where they actually raise their level, not drop their level when you talk to him. No, there's two people for me in my career that it was Kobe Bryant and Alan Iverson.

it's like you just don't say nothing to those guys you can't like you say anything out of the ordinary and you're going to be you're already in for a long night why make it even harder than what it's already going to be and so lucca watching him throughout his career his short-lived career he came in that way he came in as a guy that was like okay I'm cool I'm gonna go about my business but if you just so happen to move a muscle or better eye lest and or look at me sideways, oh yeah, I'm coming at you. And I just love that about him. He's not a big talker, but he does it with his actions.

And you've got to respect a guy like that. Yeah, I would agree. Okay, likelihood they can do it again in Phoenix. You know what? You know, I've played in some game sevens in my career. And the thing about it is, it doesn't matter if you're at home on the road. You would love to be at home. But I tell you what, in a game seven, anything to happen?

Because the home team obviously is under immense pressure. Every possession is critical. Every shot they take, it could be a game deciding, a game-altering decision. Now, for the visiting team, they're playing with house money. They shouldn't be there anyway. It's just let it fly. I mean, I was in a game seven in 2006 against San Antonio, who were the defending champions.

And, you know, our mentality, our attitude was like, hey, man, we're here. Why not us? Why not win? You know, and it was like, we were just going to play. We're just going to play. We're going to go out here. We're going to have fun. We've got a hoop.

And we ended up beating them in overtime. But we could see it on their faces. Like, they were tense. Even though they were the champion, there was so much pressure on them to close us out at home. And you could hear it in the arena, the fans. Like in the arena, they're living and dying. on every block shot, every miss layup, every miss free throw, and that type of pressure, I mean, it can crumble some of the greatest competitors we have in our game.

Jason Terry, the Jet, joining us. I want to play for you something that Amari Stodemeyer had to say yesterday on ESPN. They were talking about committing to James Hardin in Philadelphia long term. And remember Amari, now obviously a great player in the league, and then he played overseas, but he actually worked with the Nets as like an assistant player development guy, you know, with Nash as his guy. So he was asked and he was asked whether or not if he were running the Sixers, if he would commit long term to James Harden, here is his response.

I can't commit to that. If I'm the owner of the Sixers, I cannot commit to giving him a max deal. I just don't see the dedication that I would need to see from my top 75 player. You know, you have to be able to have a certain level of determination and focus on being the best player. can possibly be and also be there for your teammates when they need you the most. And if he's not capable of doing that, and as a max player, I'm not going to be willing to now give you a max contract if you're not showing me that you can handle the situation.

That was before the game. That was yesterday during the day. And then in the game, he doesn't score a point, takes two shots in the second half, kind of look like he shut it down. Definitely the defensive end. He shut it down. What are your thoughts on what Amari, who has firsthand experience with Hardin, had to say about Hardin? Well, I'll tell you this.

First of all, we put too much stake nowadays into the word max. Like, okay, we're not going to give them $260 million, but we'll give him $200. I mean, he's still James Harden. The guy is still going to average 20 points, 8 assists, 7, 8 rebounds, a game. Go find another guy in the NBA that can do that for you, and then you can give him, what, $150, $160 million. So, I mean, I don't put too much fake in the max, so to speak, but I do know the talent. And James Hardens in a position right now where he's had a lot of change. He's had a lot of adversity that he hasn't had to go through in his particular career.

So this is a defining moment in a potential Hall of Famer's career. And I've been in the locker room with James. I know what he's built up. I know for me, for him, this is a situation where he's going to have to go to a place where he's never had to go in his training, in his preparation, and then next year when he comes out to play, because he's going to have a lot to prove not only to his peers, but to himself. Because I know James, and he's disappointed. He's disappointed in his performance.

He's disappointed in, you know, the way his season has ended, you know, this year. And he's disappointed in the perception that now this cloud has been over his head, you know, that everybody's talking about of him not being able to come through when he's needed most. And so, you know, I think he's going to bounce back. I think he's going to have a great summer. I think he's going to commit himself and dedicate himself. And he got to remember, he does have a player option. I think it's upwards of about 40 plus million.

So if he's betting on himself, he takes his player option, and he goes into free agency next season, right? And he goes back to the table again where he can make another 200, 250. I don't even know if it gets up to 300 million. Like these numbers are so crazy to me now. It's so foreign. but I mean I think I'm not going to write him off he's just too much of a great talent to be written off now I will tell you this but his performance he has to adjust he's not getting to the free-throat line 15 to 16 times a game anymore the league is not doing it like you watch lucca dotis he's another one he's had to make that adjustment they're not going to call those files where you you know you manipulate the game or the rules so to speak so he's going to have to have to to make that adjustment. If he does, he'll be right back in the conversations of all NBA

first, second team. He's that good of a talent. If you're the Lakers, what do you do? You know what? The Lakers have a lot to do. They have to get younger with their roster. The roster was a little old this year. It didn't quite work out for him. But when you got LeBron James, and you see the way he performed this year, there's nothing in his performance that's saying like, okay, he's not going to be an all-MBA first team or his level has tapered off. They have to get healthy. Anthony Davis has to be an integral part of that team. He has to be a guy that has to be available.

They have to be able to count on him. And then you have to address your personnel with your shooting. You know, they have to have shooting. If you look at the way our game is played today, when you have guys like a LeBron James, Anthony Davis, they need room to operate. They need space. They don't have that space. everything's congested, and you can pack the pain on them.

And I think that's the type of defenses they face this year, and they struggle. They didn't have the near-the-perimeter shooting that they needed. And then I forgot to mention Westbrook. He's very similar. Like, you got Russ. It's like 47 million. He can't shoot. And the other part is, I agree with you, they need shooting, but you also need versatility and athleticism defensively, right?

Like, they lost, I mean, you, you lost both, when you lost, when you let Contavius Colwell Pope, KCP, walk out, he was one of your best defenders and your best just spaced the floor and catch and shoot guy. Then they lose crew, so it's not a great shooter, improved, not a great shooter, but an unbelievable defender and kind of change the energy of a game guy. Like, I don't know how you find those diamonds again. Yeah. Well, you find those guys, you know, through. the draft and through free agency.

Now, those aren't going to be the top-tier free agents. Those are going to be more of the role player-type guys. Or you get creative. You look at the back end of a roster. You do like, I had a pleasure of doing this year and being a part of the G-League. There are some high-caliber quality role players that come out of the G-League. You look at the kid in Golden State, Jordan Pool, that's having a phenomenal impact for the Golden State Warriors.

You know, that's what our G-League was designed to do. So you have to be creative and you have to get it done. Obviously, their salary cap is not going to allow them to, you know, have too much room to wiggle. But if you get creative and you do your homework, you may get a late round draft pig, you can go into the G league or find some of those hidden gyms. And then you got to develop. You got to develop those pieces and make sure that, again, that you're healthy. Because when you have three players that are all the famous, right,

that still have a little tooth left in their tank, you should be able to put a core group of young guys around them that can star in their roles, like you said, get a couple three-and-d guys, get a couple shooters that can be successful in our league, man, because that's just too much elite talent on that roster not to be in the playoffs. Like, that's a playoff team, for sure. I mean, I'm not playing.

Play-in. It's crazy. The Jet Jason Terry joining us, Doug Gottlieven for calling. and this is the herd. Boston loses two close ones. I mean, look, you've got a six-point lead with a minute 50 to go, and you're at a home and you can't close the door. Is that about them, or is that more about Janus?

That was about the will of a champion that was not ready to give in to defeat. And the other thing it is, I mean, these are two darn good teams, man. These are two well-coast teams. These are two teams with young superstars. that are finding their way. And, man, it's just a beauty to watch. You hope this thing goes seven, but when you look at Janus and you look at the way he plays

and the intent in which he plays the game with, like, he plays it as pure as it comes. He's not playing for stats. He's not playing, you know, to get accolades. He is playing to kick your butt and let you know that he is the best thing moving. And his team is the best in the business. He does it with every possession too.

And it's not faith. This is not an act. He has mean intentions the way he plays. But I'll tell you this, as bad as he has those intentions, Jason Tatum has proven to me that he's a star in this league and that he's going to be a champion one day, man, because he has all the intentions. I mean, he's done it.

And he's starting to figure out, like, relying on his teammates, getting those guys involved but still finding ways to get chores at the same time. He's elevated to level of play. of those guys. And you got to love the job that E-Mays doing and getting those guys prepared. Because every time they've lost,

they've come back and won. And so I wouldn't put it past them coming out of here, Victoria, tonight, and we see another game seven in this series because these are two phenomenal teams that are playing at a high level. Can you explain the Grizzlies? Like, you lose Jha, who's a dominant player. And they almost beat him the other, you know, in was at game four.

and then, you know, game five, I mean, it's, it was a complete blowout. Like, without your best, an all-N-B-P caliber player, you blow out the Golden State Warriors by 40? How does that happen? Well, I can only look at the information that I'm given, and then I can tell you, they've done it all year. Like, consistently, they've played at a high level without job, right? their record's like 20 and 5 without them. Now they go in the playoffs, they go without them, and they blow the Warriors out at home.

So these guys are comfortable not having a job because they understand, okay, our roles have been elevated without job. We know we have to do more. And the guys that are doing more, Jones, right? These steps up. Defensively, they don't lose their identity, though. They stay true to who they are defensively, offensively, the ball moves a little bit more without job, right?

And so now everybody's feeling more comfortable. I got to give that coaching staff just a tremendous amount of credit because you can see it. You know, they're a young team, but, you know, they're hungry. I mean, they're hungry. They play hard on both ends of the floor. And it doesn't matter if they miss three or four shots, they still compete and play defense.

Where other teams, veteran-type teams, you know, they're missing. It's not our night. You know, these guys don't live that way. They're a gritty team. They're tough. But you know what? Something of you said about the champion, man. The Golden State Warriors tonight, if I had to bet on it, man, they're going to finish

them off tonight at home in that arena is going to be nuts. And eventually they're going to make shots. They haven't made shots this series. Credit the Grizzlies defense for that. But if they continue to get looks, they're going to knock down shots. I'm talking about Clay, Pool, and Steph. They'll knock down shots tonight. and I think Memphis is running to be over, but it's not a lost season for them.

If they had jobs, it's maybe a seven-game series, but they've done well. Their trajectory of that franchise Memphis Grizzlies is very high right now, and they're going to be a force to be reckoned with in the Western Conference. Jason, great stuff, man. I really appreciate you catching up with us and join us on Fox Sports Radio. Thank you again. Yes, sir. Talk to you soon. All right, that's the jet. Jason Terry.

Let's get you to Ryan Music with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Always, always great to be able to talk to Jason Terry. Great stuff there between the two of you breaking down NBA playoffs, state of the Lakers. But here in L.A. Doug, we do have to turn our attention to something you mentioned earlier, very briefly. Another team here in L.A. Dodgers pitcher, three-time Sy Young Award winner,

Clayton Kershaw is being put on the injured list with inflammation in the SI joint, which is in your pelvic area. He has been very good all season, four wins and five starts. Wait, wait, no, no, your SI joint is in your pelvic area? I thought it's in your shoulder area. I believe it is in your pelvic area,

as I am reading this from MLB.com. Yeah, it is. So it's like, that's probably the root of the back issue. Right, which he has had over the years. Yeah. I think the AC joint is the one on your shoulder. AC joint, that's right. You're right.

You're right. Sam Bradford AC joint in college, right? That was where we first heard about the AC joint. Correct. So, yeah, Kershaw has been great all season long. Stop me if you heard this before. Clayton Kershaw's hurt. Yeah.

Obviously, this comes after the controversial decision to pull him after seven perfect innings last month against the twins. Okay, it was not controversial. There's a bigger discussion in baseball. about letting guys go for it and going above. And, you know, I remember Johann Santana. And again, I know it was like 142 pitchers or something to throw the Mets first no hitter.

And he was, his ERA was like two something. And he was like eight after that. He was never the same pitcher. Okay. And this was his first start of the year for a guy who's often injured, a guy who's been one of the all-time greats, but a guy who is more towards the end than he is towards the start. it wasn't really a controversial season, except for people who maybe love the idea of baseball,

but don't really know how, I mean, don't understand this particular, the context of that particular game. His first start of the year, you're not throwing him, you know, you're not throwing him 100 pitches. You're just not. I just want to know why you're looking directly at Jay Stu when you're making these comments, because, I mean, he's very clearly in the other camp, are you? not? I mean, my point, Doug, is if he's going to be hurt anyways with some injury over the course of a season, why not allow him the chance to pitch what, the 19th perfect game ever and give the Dodger fans that from their hero? That's my point. I mean, that's like the most,

what's the word I'm looking for? Well, if he's going to be hurt anyway, like, you know, that's the kid who's got a, that the kid has got a D, you know, in a class. Like, look, I'm going to fail this test anyway. I'm going to fail this test anyway. So let's go out and just go get drunk and, and who cares. Don't even study for the final. Like, yeah, I'm not, I'm not.

I mean, listen, it's not the worst logic I've ever heard. It's logic. That's, that it is. There's a lot of, there's a lot of things that have been said, and that's one of them. Let's change gears a little bit, go to some college sports, a lot of discussion. And maybe again, you will say this shouldn't be controversial, but as it currently stands, it has been very controversial regarding the state of college sports

with the explosion of Nabe, image, and likeness in the transfer portal. And I know it's shocking, but this has obviously turned into quite a divisive topic for people favoring the athletes, their ability to earn money and transfer whenever they'd like, while others are supporting the universities and the coaches so that that way there can be some more regulations and restrictions. Well, Iowa Athletic Director Gary Barda, he chimed in on this discussion and here's what he said he would do in this situation. If we can't totally control name image and likeness, then let's go back and put a one year. If you transfer, you can transfer. You don't have to lose your scholarship, but you must sit out a year because we can control that.

And that, I think, would slow down the name image and likeness deals because a booster isn't going to offer a student athlete a big sum of money. If they know, if they come to their university, they have to sit out of year. Completely agree. Completely agree. It's not just the idea of sitting out a year would slow the name image and likeness. It's the being able to transfer and play right away. Like, you're skipping so many steps. And yes, it does have an effect on name image and likeness.

Like all of this is related, you know? And what we're saying is like, look, if this is the future, name image, and likeness since you getting paid, fine. No one's stopping you from if you perform, you can collect money and benefits on your name image and likeness. The truth is that most guys that transfer need to sit out a year. They need to sit and they get better and they get older. And oh yeah, by the way, you assimilate to university.

It helps the culture of your program. You can't, it has to be increasingly difficult to coach and allow a slow maturation process for many of these young men and some of the young women. The second they find out something they don't like. They're not starting. They're not getting as many minutes, as many shots as they want. They're out and there's no ramifications for it. And if you want to compare it to coaches, just understand one, coaches have buyouts and two. you don't compare coaches to players.

They're not the same. One is a paid leader. Usually the second highest paid member or a highest paid member of a faculty. They have all these people underneath them. There's a gigantic amount of change that goes when they change locations when they change jobs, as well as they have to pay a buyout. When one kid leaves, all it does is affect that one kid in the team. He leaves behind the team that he joins.

So I agree with that. I think that's the easiest and smartest way to do it. We've made all kinds of excuses for it. And most people know that when you transfer, you really need that year to sit out to catch your breath and figure out, all right, what can I do better at Place 2 that wasn't happening in a place 1? What about a type of middle ground? I mean, I think most everyone can universally agree that there clearly needs to be some, you know, regulations in terms of, you know, setting a set window on transfer portal so that a guy can't

play two games, get benched, and then try and transfer mid-season or something like that. Well, you can't transfer mid-season in that way, but yet, you know, as of now. Right. Although, although who knows when that becomes a discussion. Right, exactly. I think in general, just the year-long recruitment as what you were saying, that you're constantly trying to thread this needle on keeping players happy despite playing time or, you know, their focus in the offense, but then also just limiting the number of transfers.

So, like, you can transfer and not have to sit out a year, but, you know, right now you have the five-year window, right? You get a red shirt, four years of eligibility. You only get two transfers. After that, you would have to sit a year or you have to apply for a special waiver. Right now, you can transfer once without sitting the second time you'd have to get a waiver or if you graduate. And what really sucks is, you know, when you take kid, it used to be you'd take a kid on a transfer, then he'd sit out, then he'd play a year, he'd get his degree, and then he'd leave right away. You're like, wait, we paid your scholarship for a year. You play for a year.

You use that to get your degree and then you're out on us. Like we're just, we're not teaching people about commitment. We're not being able to build teams, to build culture, you know, all the little things that you actually learn. And, you know, 99, just like the 99% of the guys don't really have name image and likeness value. And the ones that do can go to the pros. 99% of the transfers, they're not going to be NBA or NFL. players anyway. Maybe an 85%.

But if you don't play someplace, you go sit for a year, it doesn't actually hurt you. It just doesn't. It actually usually helps you. And that's Rhymed Music with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Wait to hear what Jimmy Butler had to say when he's walking in the locker room

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walking into the locker room to buy his hairs over me right and it feels like was it Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Do you guys remember that movie? There was a lot of great lines in that movie.

We named the dog Indiana. Sean Connery was this Sir Sean Connery was Indiana Jones' father. Like that was, I know they went and made a fourth one, but I haven't even watched. I've just heard it's junk.

It's just junk. But, and I don't, in the, the Raiders of the Lost Ark because he had the melting faces and because it was our first kind of intro to this Indiana Jones character probably is the number one movie in that I still think of it a trilogy and then a plus one temple of doom temple of doom is a distant distant third distant third but indian

jones last crusade right yeah i didn't shone cornry we named the dog indiana plus didn't river phoenix play a young Indiana Jones right is that right there was like a uh a look you There was, what's it called? Where they look back? What is that technique called? Rye Music in terms of, a flashback. Flashback, that's it. A flashback to Indiana Jones childhood, right?

It was River Phoenix. But the money scene, the money scene was they, you know, it starts obviously Indiana Jones, the Ark of the Covenant, but then they find the cup that Jesus drank out of, right? And so Once they kind of go through this maze of things To get to the cup Now

The guy drinks the cup But he's looking for Jesus' cup And he wants one that's bedazzled With all his jewelry because it's a king's cup Because he's a king and he drinks it And the knight Of the Templar Who's guarding it says

You have chosen poorly and then, you know, he cracks and turns the sand and goes dust into the wind. And eventually Indiana Jones, that's Harrison Ford, he drinks the, he knows he's a carpenter, so he drinks a wood made, a cut made out of wood you have chosen. It felt like that moment for the Sixers, you have chosen poorly. And whatever it takes to motivation, but this, this is a real motivation. right like Tobias Harris over me

and it's one of those things that we sometimes struggle with in sports as fans as to people who are outsiders you know when and I actually saw and I'll credit I think it was Nick Wright where he said you know like look I'd take Drew Holiday over Kyrie Irving it's not as crazy a statement as you think

and I would be I admit one Drew's only won one title Kyrie's 1-1. Neither were the star player. They were the co-star. But Kyrie had a huge impact on that series, not just hitting what was essentially the game-winning shot in game 7, but the games leading up to it on the 3-1 comeback. He was as much a part of the story as LeBron was.

And he has more God-given talent as a score than Drew Holliday. But do you want to win games or do you want to look good? You want a guy who can make the game, winning steel, the game winning block, or only the game winning shot. It's the little things. And I think Tobias Harris is a hell of a player. And I'm sure that you could kind of factor in your head. All right, well, if we have, you know, we got Ben Simmons and we got Joel Embed as a third

option, maybe a second option scoring-wise, but a third option in terms of ball handling wise, we got Tobias Harris. That's a heck of a player. was Jimmy Butler, maybe he wanted to step out of his role, but Butler's toughness, leadership, like, look, he did. Say what you want about the bubble. Got the heat to the finals. Say what you want about whatever he doesn't have.

He's not a giving the ball, end of the game, I'm going to go one-on-one, and Kevin Durant, get a shot over you and score. But, man, there's so many things that he does and the toughness that he breeds. He's right. Tobias Harris over him. We see how that worked out.

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