The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Most Anticipated Week 3 Matchups

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

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It is the herd. Thanks for stopping by today. J. Mack, I was thinking about this this morning is about a year ago, I think, ago on this show, I said, you know, if we all go into a draft and we're like, Okay, which quarterback's going to make it and which quarterback isn't. And it's about a 50-50 hit rate. So general managers, this is all they do, they spend all their time on it. There has to be something that you watch a college quarterback and you go, wow.

Like Jaden Daniels' mobility at LSU and Arizona State, you're like, wow. A Justin Herbert size and arm, he was a 4.2 biology major. You're like brain size arm. Josh Allen was jumping over linebackers. Mahomes crazy arm talent, Stafford out of college, huge arm. There's got to be something where you have a trait. Like Kyler Murray can get criticized, but Kyler Murray, elusiveness was as good as I'd ever seen. It was Russ Wilson Plus.

And so when you look at certain quarterbacks, when Jalen Hertz came out, my take was, well, what's the wow trait? It's been my knock on Purdy. Purdy, it may be brain up. He is so good pre-snap that, like Sam Darnold said, I'd never. never been around a player like that. He's so quick on his feet. So sometimes you can't see the trait. But I was thinking about Jalen Hurts, somebody that you were really into three years ago, and I've been like, love him as a kid. I don't know if I love him as a quarterback. But an NFL

executive said something yesterday, and he said his toughness and his just makeup, his personality, are so underrated. And I thought he does have two traits. He does have two wow traits. First of pound for pound, he's the strongest quarterback in league history. That's why when the greatest center in the last decade left, the tush push still works. It's not about Lane Johnson. It's not about the fullbacker's Akewan Barclay. It's about Jalen Hertz. Josh Allen can't do it. Herbert can't do it. Daniel Jones can't do it. Big strong guys can't do it. He can do it. Being 5-11 and pound-and-a-half and pound the strongest player, probably at any position in the league, he has wow strength. The second thing is he is, he is.

27 going on 47. He's insanely mature. And I think that doesn't matter as much in sleepy markets like Tampa or Carolina, but in loud, noisy, talk radio-driven Philadelphia, his maturity is an amazing trait. And so for years, I was like, what's the trait? And I was taught that by GMs. There's got to be, even the guys that fail like Anthony Richardson, you're like, that dude's got an arm. That is a first round arm. Wow. Jordan Lovell. and I saw him. You're like, oh, man, he moves and he throws. Those are two first-round traits. I think his ability to stay focused in a loud town, Dom and Siriani and receivers reading a book club over on the sidelines and talk radio. Jalen Hurts talking about his ability and his need to

stay focused in this city. You've got to come in with a sense of focus. You've got to stay patient within yourself, stay patient within the team and your role, and let things come to you. And I think as a team, we showed up when we needed to the most, and that's the most important thing in this league is finding ways to win. I mean, it's like, there's a reason Paul

McCartney is still touring. Like, he was the mature beetle. It's like at 24, he was going on 44. And I did, there was a sense of selflessness, IQ, mature beyond his age, and I feel that with Jalen Hertz. And I just don't think we think of that as a wow trait, but it is. Dax got some of that. And Joel Klatte will be calling Texas Tech at Utah this

Saturday at noon, Eastern on Fox. So I was thinking about this. I, um, you know, for years and years, you and I supported Harbaugh, and there was a lot of noise out there. He didn't know what he was doing, and it was like, listen, he wanted San Diego, the Niners, Stanford, he's good. Okay, he's good. But it's hard in college football. He was pre-NIL. Most of a building was pre-transfer portal. So it takes time. He took over a bad roster. And I look at him now with the Chargers and I made this argument an hour ago.

If the Pro Football Hall of Fame was like the Basketball Hall of Fame where you counted college, you counted pro, you counted basketball. I could argue Jim Harbaugh is the best football coach the planet's ever had. He's 5 for 5. Think about this, Joel. Five for 5.

And Jimmy Johnson's had successes, but when Jimmy leaves a place, it doesn't disintegrate. Cowboys won a Super Bowl, Kane's won a Natty. Miami Dolphins made the playoffs. My argument is Harbaugh's strength is he's not just a great coach.

He's the soul of your team. He's so authentic. It might take you all the years you dealt with him. What was your takeaway on Harbaugh? Because no coach, pro in college, has worked at this level. He went to five messes. He turned around all of them.

immediately and he leaves and they're all awful the next day. Yeah. What is it with him? So that's a great, I mean, and a loaded question and a long answer because if I was being completely honest with you, I covered two different Jim Harbaugh's. Almost completely. No, I'm serious. Colin, I'm serious.

Pre-COVID. So every time I dealt with him, whether it was, you know, Stanford or with the Niners, when in draft process and then pre-COVID Michigan, he was very standoffish and just like wouldn't let you close. It was almost like pulling teeth just to talk with him. He was rigid against you. He came with a rigidness in the conversation that wouldn't allow really any communication.

Yeah. And after the COVID year, they struggle. He comes back on, remember that restructured deal at Michigan. And he comes back and in 2021, he came out and sat for a production meeting with us for 40 minutes. And I was like, what is happening right now? I couldn't believe it. Honest to God, this is exactly what was going on.

And he was a totally different person. And he was open and he was authentic. And he talked about things that he struggled with and things that he loved about his team. And it started to become very obvious to me that what Jim did post-COVID wasn't about football. It was about people. And he became much more of a people person, even with all of his corks. But what never left him was the foundational things that he believed in from a football perspective. I think we're going to see the best version of Jim Harbaugh that we've ever seen.

now with the Chargers. I don't think there's any doubt that they're going to have success. I think that they're ultimately going to win a Super Bowl because they've got the coach and the quarterback to do it. Maybe not this year. I'm not sure. But at some point with that combination, I think that they're going to win a Super Bowl.

And one of the things I would just go a little bit deeper, and I know a little backstory on this, you know the interim coach at Michigan right now, Biff Pogi? Yeah. Biff is, I don't want to say a character, but he is a guy that rose through the ranks as a high school football coach in Baltimore. And if you've read it, I think that it's great. And if you haven't, there's a book called A Season of Life. And it features Biff as a high school football coach. And he was a coach with an old

Baltimore Colt named Joe Ehrman. And these two were great high school football coaches together. And yet they didn't really focus on football. They focused on people and loving on the players and telling the players that they loved them. Well, Biff's son ended up walking on at Michigan. And then Jim hired Biff to come on in 2021. And one of the things that they did is they would meet multiple times a day. And Jim would say like, hey, this is how I'm feeling, Biff. I really love the way the kids practice. Like, I love that. And Biff would be like, tell them, tell them authentically from your heart. And Biff and those meetings changed Jim Harbaugh into a players coach with football foundation principles that would win. And so those kids loved him because he told them that he loved them.

Yeah. So it's a long answer to a very simple question. I dealt with two very different Jim Harbaugh's and the one that's coaching right now with the Chargers, I think we'll win a Super Bowl. So Jane May the last year for USC, I had friends ask me, what do you think about USC this year? And I said, I really like the roster. I don't know about the quarterback. He just, let's go with that ball and half the time, I'm not sure he knows where it's going. If you doubt Lincoln Riley's coaching, you have not seen. this kid play. He's like, not just Harbaugh, he's a different player. Throws the ball away, dirts it, um, tucks it in. Like, I don't know what they did. But if your quarterback's as good as this kid is, and their defensive line for the first time since Pete Carroll is big and deep, like they spent NIL money on their D line, they got players. You think I'm crazy, but I, I, I, you take away that goofy touchdown. The refs butcher last week. winning road games last year,

like, I don't know. I look at this quarterback and I'm like, oh, that feels like a playoff team. Well, I mean, they feel like a playoff team. I felt like I was trying to talk to you into this last week, and I feel like you've come around on kind of the blueprint that Lincoln Riley used to be successful at Oklahoma.

And I feel like USC is following more of that blueprint this year. They've run it a lot better, even though Jaden Maiava, as you have said, has been terrific. I think it's one of the more underrated teams in the country, personally right now. that their game this weekend against Michigan State is a perfect opportunity to beat what I think is a decent team. And then they're going to have a monster game against Illinois, which is going to be kind of a coming out party for Maiava and this entire program as a reemergence, as a power.

They are good on defense. I don't know how great they are, but offensively, they're doing the right things. Again, they're running the football with effectiveness and power. Myava has been one of the best quarterbacks in the country. In fact, on Wednesday's, podcast, I broke down and I said, okay, this was my before the year top 10 quarterbacks. Well, this is the top 10 quarterbacks, how they've performed this season. He's on it. He's on it. He's been one of the 10 best quarterbacks in the country easily, statistically and intangible.

So I'm a believer in USC. I don't know how far they're going to go this year, but I will tell you this. I wouldn't want to play them because they're a scary team right now. There's too much balance. Yeah. So Brian Kelly pushed back on the media a little bit. And Brian's a lot of work. Pushback is putting it lightly.

He had like a meltdown. Yeah, he had a meltdown. And he had meltdowns for years at Notre Dame with his quarterbacks. And he's just one of those guys. He's got a little bit of a Jim Mora. We know he can coach. He's very intense. He can be rough on quarterbacks.

But I always thought Morra could coach. And I think Brian Kelly's a really good coach too. And here, let's just play the tape. Do we have the Brian Kelly tape of kind of melting down this way? Here it is. You're micro, you're looking at this from the wrong perspective. LSU won the football game. Won the game.

I don't know what you want for me. What do you want? You want us to win 70 to nothing against Florida to keep you happy? There's some ridiculous questions. And I'm getting tired of it. That football team just worked their tail off to get an SEC win and you want to know what's wrong. You know what?

You're spoiled. you're spoiled. That's not great. You don't like that? No, I mean, so where are we? Oh, you're such a media member. Oh, no. I'm not being precious.

It's a little over the top, but these college coaches, they run their states. They run the university. They're the highest paid employee. But also, hold on, timeout, time out. But remember who they represent. You see, I agree. If an NFL coach did that, I would feel very differently than I do about a college coach doing this.

Because, and I told you this last week with Sark. Sark wasn't talking to the media when he defended Arch. He was talking to Arch. Brian is talking to his locker room. He's defending his group of guys. He's building culture through the media, and the media don't even realize it. They're too narcissistic, and they pump their own tires and think they're so important that they have to get the right answer from Brian Kelly.

But Brian Kelly doesn't care what they want to hear. And to be honest, I will say this. I know people disagree with me on this. I also think it's a stupid question. Like, really? After that game, you get five interceptions, your defense is fixed. Like, their defense was a problem last year, and their defense has been excellent so far this year.

And the first question is, what's wrong with your offense? This is the same type of questions Ryan Day gets at Ohio State. It's like a media that is so self-entitled, and I'll borrow a term from him, spoiled, that the answers aren't intended. to make the media feel better or feel smarter. The answers are intended to build the locker room and protect the locker room. And that's what I appreciate about college coaches,

because they've got to be more aware than that. They don't have grown men in their locker room. They have young men in their locker room, and so they're more aware of culture, and in more times than not, they'll be talking to their team through the media. I think that's what he did. And he runs a little hot.

So he got that question, and he's like, come on, man. Like, really? He does run a little. I like him, but he runs hot. So, you know, Caleb's struggling in Chicago, and you covered him a lot at SC. Yeah. And I had an NFL GM tell me this. I said, I don't care about the fingernails.

I don't care about jumping in the crowd. I said the only time I saw him that bothered me, he played at Oregon State his first year, and he got really pouty and moody on the sidelines, and he kind of like went into a shell, and I said, that's bad. I'm like, dude, welcome, you know, welcome to big time college football. You lose games and have really bad halves. But the GM told me, he said, kind of moody, can be kind of aloof, a little odd. That's not, you know, quarterbacks tend to, there's a reason the manning's all work, right?

Like Eli and Archie and Peyton, it's like, it's business first, go in, good teammate, bed early. It's like, and I guess my take is you covered him a lot. did you ever think it would look like this in the pros? Because it's rough. Let's break it down. I think multiple personalities can win Super Bowls at the quarterback position. That's been proven out. So it's not about the personality.

And I would push back on you. I think you focus too much on the personality. Then you do the foundational aspects of quarterback play. Here's what I mean. The issues that USC had offensively with Caleb in particular late, was that he would not play in the confines of the offense. Exactly.

And because of that, the offense never went to a place that it could go. So let me put it to you in another analogy. If you're gonna take math during the course of your high school or college, there are prerequisites to get to the higher levels. You've gotta pass algebra one before you can go out to algebra two and you gotta go to geometry

and do all that before you can ever get to calculus and so on and so forth. The issue with Caleb right now is that he struggles with algebra one and wants to play calculus all the time. And there's foundational things that he has to be a part of. He's got to play on time and the ball has to go to the right spot in the right timing more often than it does right now. He's constantly looking for plays that aren't there. He won't take things that are there right away, what the defense is trying to give them. You have to play on time and on target.

So for me, it's a floor issue. He's not doing the prerequisites, the floor of what he needs to do at quarterback, and he constantly wants to go up to the top of his talent. And you can't go there and impact the game unless you've done these things first. So it doesn't matter actually the personality. You can be aloof. You can yell at guys. You can love on guys.

You can wear your hat backwards. You can wear your hat forwards. You can be a partier. You can be a stay-at-home guy. But the prerequisite is that your floor has to pass the minimum bar of the offense's constraints in order for your offense to operate well. And he doesn't do that right now. By the way, finally, Belichick faces UCF.

Nobody watched him after the opener because they just, like, literally nobody's watching the games. After the first game, what's Belichick done? UCF, I think it's undefeated. I think that's the team he plays next. Let me ask you, for those who stop paying attention after the debacle, has anything gotten better at Carolina for Belichick? Yes.

Yes, the basics. They're blocking better. They're staying on blocks longer. They're getting off blocks quicker on defense. They're aligned quicker. They're aligned more foundationally. They don't turn the football over. So they're not a good or great team yet, but they are clean.

They're cleaner than what they played against TCU early. And to expect that team to play clean with 70 new players and a new coach probably was an unrealistic expectation from all of us. looking at Bill Belichick and UNC, but every single week, they get a little bit better with the things that they can control. There's an old adage in coaching is that the only thing you have 100% control over

is your own effort level. And details within the system and taking care of those details fall under effort level. And what I see is a team that is just cleaner from the effort and detail of the way that they're playing.

Okay, I'll ask you this question. So there's a line out there that therapists often use, not that I've ever needed one. No, not that you've heard this one. No, no, no. But it is your responsibility to heal the pain others inflict on you. So the bottom line is,

get over yourself and get over it. It's still your job, no matter how mean somebody is, how awful they are to you. It's still your responsibility to heal pain inflicted by others. So when quarterbacks are criticized, I'm for it,

because I think the best quarterbacks in this league all had turbulence. And Arch Manning's life is Brony James' life. What nice road do I get to take to my school today? It's like, those are great lives. I'm not jealous. I don't envy it. But I think Brony James should have stayed in college one more year. I think Arch Manning actually, this is the greatest thing that's ever happened to him.

It's real turbulence. Texas football, receivers are hurt, on his third string running back, new old line, his mechanics are weird. I'm going to argue this is essential if you can make it on Sundays. Well, you don't develop in life without turbulence. I mean, I don't think it's even just a specific to quarterback play. I think all of us at people need trials and tribulations in order to develop perseverance. I mean, that's a biblical truth that I believe in, right?

So it absolutely applies to ours. And what a quarterback has to have that's maybe bigger and more substantial than others is that they have to have a complete belief and self-identity that is rooted in things that don't get impacted from the outside. So you're not trying to prove anything to anyone because you're comfortable with who you are. And you're not defined by anybody because you're comfortable with who you are. And that's a learned trait. and that comes with maturity and certainly experience at a position like that.

Arch's mechanics are not great right now. He's playing faster than the timing of the offense. That's an offense that is kind of an old school. Not old school. They have West Coast offense tentacles. And in the West Coast system from a football perspective, they go by the equation timing plus spacing equals completions. Well, if you're not getting completions,

one of those two variables is off, the timing or the spacing. I watch the film and I think Arch is ahead of the space. spacing. Therefore, he's rushing. Therefore, the ball tends to, I would say, nose dive and be low or away from wide receivers. He's overstriding. As soon as he can unlock the timing piece of the way that he plays and marry it to the spacing of what they're trying to create on the outside, that's when the completions and the success will start to come. Joel Klatt, Utah game this weekend. I'll take the Utes to beautiful stadium. Great environment. Salt Lake is great. I can't wait to get out there. It's always a great environment.

Yeah. See you, buddy. Appreciate you, bud. Have a going. Yeah. Yeah, the Harbaugh stuff is, it really is fascinating that Joel saying basically there were two Harbaas. There was pre and post. And we've had Harbaugh on twice three times since he's been the Chargers coach. He'll just talk for 15 minutes. He'll stay on.

I'm like 15 minutes into the interview. He's got any more questions? Like he's letting people into his life. I don't know. You know, is that his wife or whatever it is. Whatever it is, I'd no idea. but Jim is much more willing to give of himself. And, you know, when you do that, people give back.

He's more fun to be around. I asked Dean Spanos, the owner of the Chargers, a year ago. I said, how was he in the building? He's like, unbelievable. He's just like, unbelievable. And that wasn't always the issue. I mean, Michigan was his alma mater. And you remember year two, three, four of Michigan,

there was like, Jim's kind of intense. I don't know if this is going to work. And it's like Chargers, Spanos family is like, He's unbelievable. Everybody loves him. He's like Boy Scout in there, like just perfect attendance, rooting for everybody else. So, I mean, people change.

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I'm looking for people who have a skill and who have the kind of personality that can work with others. So I do look at personality when I'm hiring people is you have to have a skill. I don't care what your resume says. I don't care you went to Penn. I don't care.

Do you have a skill that the company can use? Your resume is not going to help you and do you have the kind of personality that you can work well with others because in our business, you have to work with a lot of people, sometimes temperamental podcasts. And so my takeaway is the Super Bowl has a lot of different quarterbacks.

You can be tall, you can be short, you can run, you can be pocket. There's a lot of different styles, shapes, and sizes. But most of the personalities are the same. Obsessed, mature, intense, leaders, comfortable with discomfort, Brady and Mahomes. They're very comfortable being uncomfortable. And so I do think the personalities, they do matter. Green Bay moved off Aaron Rogers. They got tired of his personality.

Cleveland moved off Baker, same reason. And that doesn't, I've said, Baker's personality fits better in Tampa. Todd Bowles, high IQ, high EQ, totally chill. Hugh Jackson, Greg Williams, a lot. There's a lot. Doesn't mean they're bad guys, but there was a lot and a lot of ego. and it felt like sometimes, you know, there's an old saying, spot it, you got it. Somebody with an ego is often offended very quickly by somebody else with an ego.

Todd Bowles just everything rolls off. He kind of leans into Baker. He loves him and lets Baker be Baker. So my point is, I think personality matters for that position. In my life of having to hire people, personality matters. Can you get along with others? I'm not a resume watcher. You know, I'm not, that doesn't, I don't care where you went to school.

It doesn't mean anything to me. I sometimes like somebody who's had a harder path. So I do think with Arch Manning, it has been in the backseat of a nice car getting driven to school until he was like 16 and had his license. Like it's a pretty comfortable life. Ronnie James, I got nothing against it. I don't resent it. But I think if you look at the history of quarterbacks in this league, transferred, beat up, hurt, bad coaching. It is a, it is a, there is something to be said about struggling in college, being doubted, being, being,

mocked, being hurt, and overcoming it that has incredible value. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Con, let's start with the Packers 2-0. Obviously, they are the best team in the league. They have jumped the Eagles as the NFC's best bet to win the Super Bowl,

plus 650. I would not recommend buying that. There was better value two weeks ago. In limited action, Micah Parsons has left his mark, and Jordan Love talked about what he's seen from his new teammate teammate on the Rich Eisen Show. Michael Parsons, he's

by far one of the most competitive people I've met in my life. I think that competitive nature is what he brings. Like you said, he's itching to be able to get off that snap count and go out there and play a full game. So he's itching just go out there and be on the field as much as possible.

But just being around him, I know what type of competitor he is. He wants to win everything he does. And I think that's just a little mindset that he's bringing to the team and obviously to that room. And it's just the, like I said, it's the infectious energy. Yeah.

You want me to make a case for the Browns here? Yeah, please do. So both Green Bay games were at home, obviously against teams that, you know, they're very motivated to play against. Now you step down in class, go to Cleveland. Yep. Right?

You had some extra time off. The media, heard hierarchy, has the number one, you know, we're the bass, we're gassed up, you know, puffing your chest out. And you let your guard down. a little bit. Yeah, that's good.

Remember, the offensive line had a couple injuries against Washington. I think two guys were out. Now you've got to face Miles Garrett, not the easiest task in the world. Jaden Reed is out for, what, like seven weeks or so with the collarbone. So there are some issues.

Easy to overlook. I think we'll see this line ticked down just a little bit. I still think the Packers win, but I don't think it's like a 34-0 rump. No, I think your point is when you face Jaden Daniels, when you open with Detroit, you're at home.

big TV games, standalone games. I mean, they came in hot. And by the way, Jordan Love, Matt LaFleur, the receiving core. These guys have all been playing together. So Green Bay was sort of the head. I mean, even though they're the youngest team, mostly it craft had been there. This is his second year. So you have this young, cohesive team, offensive teams, clever coaching,

catch defensive teams or defenses off guard. I think it's one of your, I think it's a really smart play. Cleveland's the side to me, absolutely. You want me to add something? I just looked at the schedule while you were talking. Who's next? Want to take a guess? Vikings.

At Dallas. Okay. Michael Parsons, you think he's maybe overlooking this game just a little bit? Getting extra motivated for the trip to Dallas next week, Colin. That, I mean, again, I'm not saying that the Browns are going to win. They're not better. But you know how the NFL works, right? Browns just got smoke.

What was it? 4110 against the Ravens? If you go and look at the ball? Walk score that game, the Browns outgain them. They did, yeah. Yeah. So it's like Cleveland's picking up yards. If Flacco's your quarterback, you will move the ball.

Yeah, 100%. Next up, Miami Dolphins, Colin. Miami, oh my gosh, they are reeling. They are 0 and 2. Listen, we talked about it yesterday. This could be the final game for McDaniel playing Thursday and then on Monday night football. Josh Allen has dominated Miami.

Are you ready for this? 13 and 2 with a total of 45. touchdowns and then to all yesterday talked about this i i i don't understand why he would say it but here we go dear he's he's top tier um you know if it's not with his arm it's with his legs you know that dude can do literally anything he wants so um definitely different skill set for me i can't do half of what he does when it comes to running the ball and and any of that and then with how he can just chuck a ball down the field you know with how far and and and and the arm strength that he has.

You know, he's supreme when it comes to that. So it's going to be fun. Yeah, I think he's completely honest and self-aware. Like, they're different players, totally. Yeah. I mean, Tom Brady can't move like Mahalms or Lamar. And he joked about it when he was playing for years. Like, Tua knows what he is.

He's not, I have a bigger problem when quarterbacks have a greater sense of their athletic ability and think they can scramble. And it's like, okay, you can do that if you're Lamar, but you can't do that for 90% of the guys in the league. Towin knows what he is. He also knows what he isn't. Bill's 12 and a half. Is this put the mortgage on it kind of deal?

Well, they come, but bills are heavily favored. They come off a blowout win. Miami is desperate. Desperate teams actually play over their skis. Also, they know the personnel. They play them every year twice. I would say Miami feels like a better bet.

And the weather isn't brutal yet. So my take is Miami's probably the play. Yeah. I made the case for them last week against a Patriots, and I liked the Dolphins. And for them to be unable to stop that offense was a little scary, giving up 33 points. They were outplayed on special teams. I don't know where they're good. Feels like the last stand for Mr. McDaniel.

Final story, Colin, is Sunday on Fox. We've got a clash of the undefeated teams. Rematch of the NFC division around Rams, Eagles in Philadelphia. Sean McVeigh is injured. I think you joked about this yesterday, but he was hurt during their victory. Yes, a coach injured. I did tear my player fast. Oh, no.

Yeah, well, that's a good thing because now I guess it allows you to heal a little bit faster. But, you know, I was being dramatic limping around towards the end of the game. But, you know, the MRI confirmed I did that. But good news is I'm not playing. So I'm just on the sidelines watching. He is such a good coach. Like that guy. He is so good.

From the opening press conference on, he is such a good coach. I got some troubling numbers on the Eagles. So I'll ask you. I like, by the way, the Rams plus three and a half is my second favorite bet on the board this week. And if you wait too long, that's going to be gone. It'll be three. But who has the better offense, Colin, going into this game? Rams or Eagles?

I believe offenses start, you know, with your offensive line. So, and by the way, when the Rams is healthy, it's good. But the Eagles O line kind of changes games. Now, Stafford throwing it, receiving core. Devonte Adams now is a real thing. Pooka Nakua. This Jordan Whittingham kid, the second year played around Texas, is like productive. Their running back room is good.

The Rams have a lot of depth, but I don't think toe-to-to-offensive liner, Seekwan. Kieran's good. He's not Seekwon. So the Eagles, through two games, have the fewest plays in the league of 15 yards or more. They only have five. that's it against Dallas and the Chiefs. Colin, they don't look explosive. I mean, you're trying to get A.J. Brown traded here.

By the way, Eagles fans are not happy with you for that. I'm sure you're aware or don't care. But I just, I don't see the explosiveness. Sequin Barclay can't get loose. He's like three and a half yards of carry or whatever. I think I'm with you. I like the Rams here. Yeah.

I mean, Pook is off to a great start. You know, the Devon. Monta Adams' acquisition, like, you know, people just kind of forgot about him. Yeah. I mean, three years ago, we were saying he was the third or fourth best receiver in the league, and he's not noticeably slower. So, I mean, the one thing about the Rams, they have drafted exceptionally well on defense. They've had a few misses on offense.

But if you look at Puka fifth round, and then Tyler, Higbee, the tight ends, a middle-round guy. and then Kyron Williams was a fourth or a fifth round guy, and their left tackle is undrafted, and Stafford is one of the oldest quarterbacks in the league. They haven't drafted as well offensively. Jordan Winningham, wide receiver, who has popped now six-rounder out of Texas. McVeigh pulls more talent. Is there a team in the league?

I mean, Sequin was great. You know, A.J. Brown, great. DeVonte Smith, those are Heisman winners and first-round guys. You start looking at the Rams offense outside of Stafford, who again is older, there are a lot of mid-round guys crushing. They have drafted high with defense and hit on them. A lot of it is McVeigh's magic offensively. There's a lot of fourth and fifth and six-round guys doing great things with the Rams on offense. Remember how bad the Cowboys were picking on the Reyes, the Eagles second cornerback.

Remember, they don't have a number two cornerback. So either Puka or DeVante is in line for a big game. And by the way, you've been hyping up the first. Rams defense, that was spot on. This will be the toughest defense the Eagles have faced in a while. Okay? Probably since last year's playoff game. No, it's the real deal.

Between Green Bay's offense and the Rams defense, both are unbelievable, and you're not really paying anybody. I mean, Jordan Love makes good money. One of their guards does. And on the defensive side, they, you know, they pay a safety, a little money. But the Rams defense and the Packers' offense, it's just drafting well. They've just hit on seven or eight really, really good players. J-Mack with the news.

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Tomorrow, 630 Eastern on Fox. You know, I was thinking about, I saw this rating. Fox got a 34 million people watch the Chiefs and the Eagles. Baseball's done a great job making changes. They've all worked, speeding up the game, 10% attendance increase, 10% ratings increase, created more events. But I was telling the staff this morning, baseball still needs to make one big move and eliminate 40 games. Play 120 games. It's not going to take that long to figure out the Dodgers are better than the twins.

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So NBA's back at that point. So I think baseball's done a good job, but you're asking me if I can make a change, and they've made several, lop off 40 games, 20 per owner. Like start two weeks later, get out of the rainouts, and then end a month sooner. You've got to get some momentum by Labor Day weekend, because it's, just really easy to forget about it. Okay, NFL, week three, here are the games, J-Mack.

I think you and I, last week, we were aligned on a lot, although I kick myself not taking Arizona against the Panthers, and then the Panthers had a backdoor cover. Yeah. But I do think I like the Rams plus the points

against Philadelphia, a team that's not throwing the ball down the field. I think Cleveland's actually the play against Green Bay, not to win the game, but points. I the game that I find fascinating is Dallas who has looked way better than expected and Chicago that hasn't that game now is virtually a pick-um and Chicago's not ever been a great home field advantage the weather is still good that line is puzzling I have a hard time talking myself into the bears over the cowboys both weekends or both weekends I've watched out the Thursday night game excuse me and last weekend the offense the offensive. is humming. There are more weapons that I thought George Pickens has been nice. Javon Taye

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Can you sell me on the bears? That's a tough one, man. I don't have a strong opinion who's winning that game. It feels like a toss-up, right? I mean, the Bears have played two playoff teams from a year ago, right? Vikings and Lions. So, like, they've actually faced tough defenses. I don't know that the Cowboys defense is that good.

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