The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - NCAA sign stealing

Episode Date: October 26, 2023

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Fox Sports Radio. Hour two, it is great to be here. It is a Thursday live in Los Angeles. It is the herd. Wherever you may be and however you may be listening, thanks for making us part of your day. It's been so fun, the NBA season started this week. Lakers play the Suns tonight.

Got a little bit of Wemby and Luca last night. Luca did what Luca does a lot, hits big shots late. We've had the Warriors play. Chris Paul to the Warriors. Got little Blazers clips last night. Didn't watch as much of that. I watched more of the Wemby

Luca Lively, by the way, the rookie for Dallas. Pretty interesting player from Duke. Pretty interesting night for him. Seven footer. I mean, he did nothing at Duke. He barely let him shoot the ball. And then here he is 17 and 10, I think, in the opening night. Yeah, he played well. So I will say this, before we get to Greg Kosell, is that I said yesterday,

I think it was yesterday or the day before with JMAQ, if I was the Knicks, I would strongly consider going and getting Joel M. B'd. But it is interesting how it works in New York. It may be its circumstance. It's coincidental. But it's like nobody ends up paying for a star and being more disappointed than New York. So they had Aaron Judge. And all of a sudden they go get a duplicate.

In John Carlos Stanton, I didn't really get the move. He's been hurt and disappointing. That didn't work for the Yankees. We know that, you know, Scherzer and Verlander to the Mets, it blew up, it didn't work. Lavian Bell to the Jets, four years, $52 million. That didn't work. The Brooklyn Nets, by the way, made the playoffs, good chemistry. Their balance sheet was pretty good.

they go get Kyrie. Like every time New York goes and swings big, it just doesn't work. And so I look at M.B. and I think to myself, oh, it's the classic New York acquisition. A big, probably past his prime, gets hurt a lot, big personality. He'd be, he'd make the Knicks better. He'd make the Knicks more interesting. He would sell a lot of merch.

And I still don't think they'd be as good as Boston or Milwaukee. But I would get to move. but I have been on the side of New York making moves for the last 10, 15 years, and virtually none of them work. And so I think to myself, New York sports teams, star acquisitions are the Hollywood marriage of pro sports. They make beautiful pictures, and you're always disappointed in the end. It never ends well.

You don't get a lot of Tom and Rita Hanks. You just don't in New York. So I, you know, like, Levy and Bell, I was like, I like, I like that. That didn't work. And the Met spent a fortune. It's like, I like Verlander. Sure's there's amazing. That didn't work.

KD. Brooklyn in the east with Kyrie? That didn't work. So the M.B. The M.B. thing is, I have so many time. And I do feel the Knicks, Julius Randall last night. If he's your two, you know, you're not going to win the championship. And if your standard, I know they haven't won since the 70s, but if your standard is getting to the finals and you look at Boston last night,

and with all those players, poor Zing is your third or fourth best player, like it does feel like M. B'd is a really interesting acquisition. It feels like the Knicks are one big move away or two semi-big moves away from contending with Milwaukee and Boston in a seven-game series. So as I watched, you know, I watched them last night, and I'm watching Julius Randall struggle from everywhere, and I'm like, yeah, they've got to make a move. Probably got to make a move, but they went and got Amari Stodemeyer.

That wasn't good. Then they, I mean, just go look at the Knicks and the Nets and the Mets and the Jets and the most of the big expensive moves do not work. I don't know why. It's interesting about New York, and I've talked about this before. You know who works in New York? You're drafted by a New York team, Eli, Derek Jeter, and you grow with the city. There's less pressure. You're theirs.

Eli Manning, first three years, scuffing. He's New York's. Derek Jeter, very early, skinny kid, is it going to work? he's theirs. Aaron Judge, he's theirs. When you're a star and come into New York, the expectations are insane. New York's our biggest media market, and it just generally pressure, like Aaron Rogers, first game hurt.

You can argue that one. Yeah, that didn't work either. So there is something about New York's history is that the thing that works is either you draft them, develop them, they grow with the city, or you get somebody like Jalen Brunson who's not used properly. by another team, not viewed as a league star, but ends up playing like one. Now, that's worked in New York. But M.B. level moves just don't for some reason.

And yet I'm a sucker. I look at M.B. to the next and I'm like, yeah, I'd like that move. I think I'd make that move. So we don't know. Greg CoSell joining us as he's done now for about 10 years, 44 years NFL films, fantasy football, betting on football, smarter in football he provides all of them. Buffalo plays Tampa tonight. And there are things, Greg, that Buffalo is always a fascinating team because we either love

them or we just don't get them week to week. There's no continuity. I'm either high on him or I'm out on him. So something's going on with the offense. What does the film say? Yeah, I think they are having issues on offense. And I think a lot of it stems from a couple of things. Number one, they're not really a sustaining type offense.

They try to run the ball, Colin, but that's not really who they are. So they don't do it with any real sustaining week-to-week success or production. It happens once in a while. And the flip side to that, what they've done in past years is they've made big plays in the passing game. That has been gone this year. So now you're dealing with a team that gets stuck because they don't really have a sustaining offense and they're not making big plays. So they have limited sustainability with no explosives. So what happens is Josh Allen, who essentially just in his DNA looks to make big plays, as we all know,

oftentimes now he feels he has to do that again. And he can be quick to break down and leave the pocket. So he doesn't necessarily go through progressions because he's looking to make the big play. The result of that at times is he leaves some throws on the field. And that also short circuits the bill's offense. And so there's sort of a domino effect here that's working together that is preventing them from having any real consistency drive to drive. I want to talk about Kirk Cousins on Monday night. And this may be lost on you generationally.

You probably like me grew up with a U2 or a Springsteen, the Beatles, blah, blah, blah. But I always say with Kirk Cousins, he reminds me of the Canadian rock group, Nickelback. Nobody will admit they like him. Nobody will admit they like him. But a lot of people buy their stuff and know their words and go to their concerts. but nobody will admit it. And that's Kirk Cousins. Nobody will admit, you know, he's really good.

I really like him. It feels like Minnesota may move off him. But then you watch that film against the Niners, and I bet you he was very impressive on film. Really impressive on film. And one of the things that really stood out was how well he functioned when the pocket got a little tight, a little muddy, a little noisy. He manipulated the pocket really well.

He's always been, Colin, a higher-level processor. He's decisive in getting. the ball out. One thing you rarely see from Kirk Cousins is him getting stuck in the pocket with no throw or nothing to do with the ball. He was unbelievable on third down in that game against the 49ers. And believe me, they had people around him. It wasn't a case where he was just sitting in clean pockets all night. But he's always been like this. You know, it's interesting. He's had poor games on national television. And maybe for a lot of people, that's their only view of him. You know, if you're not a Minnesota fan or a hardcore NFL fan,

But he really does the same thing every year. There's a consistency to his play. He has a bad game here and there, and often that bad game is really bad. But for the most part, he plays the same way every single week. He knows what he is. He knows what his strengths are. He knows what his limitations are. So do the coaches who've coached him.

And he plays at a pretty high level. So I said this morning, I've spent the last year nitpicking Jalen Hertz Health and the Eagles. and I've come to terms with their last 25 games, he's 23 and 2. And maybe I should just scale back and just appreciate the whole operation. You don't go 23. I don't even think the Chiefs are that. So when you watch them on film, you know, this game against Miami was classic. It's the push push.

It's big third downs. What are the Eagles on film when you watch them? Well, you just used two words, a phrase that I think really, really. sums it up beautifully, entire operation. Because at its core, the Eagles offense is built on their O-line and their run game, but they have the ability to make explosive plays in the past game a number of different ways through design and scheme, through individual playmakers, and Hertz is a higher-level second reaction traits guy.

He can make plays outside of structure. So, structurally, there are sustaining offense with big play abilities throughout. And sometimes they're so good that it seems, and I've used this term before, and I think people are taking it the wrong way, I'm going to throw it out to you. Sometimes it seems like they're just boringly really good. Yeah. You know, like the other night, the other night he throws the pick, which, you know, made it 1717. What happens? Next two drives, long sustained drives.

They just marched right to the field. Yes, there was one big play to Brown in which Hertz made an unbelievable throw with Van Ginkle hanging on him. him, but for the most part, they just move the ball. There's an efficiency. And then Hertz, as I said, he's a playmaker, and they have playmakers. So they kind of can do everything, but it's the entire operation, and it really starts with their O line, which is arguably the best in the league. So I had Pittsburgh as my number six team in the league, and I said, I can't believe it,

because three weeks ago, I would have burned my season tickets if I live in Pittsburgh without offense. But to your, you get credit on this. I've never been a big picket guy. But when you, unlike a Jordan love, he'll sit in the pocket and throw the ball down the field with people in his face. You've always liked his ability to move. When I watch him late in games, I'm like, no fear. He may not be great.

No fear. Makes throws. Teammates love him against the Rams. Again, kind of banging around first half, I don't like anything. And in the fourth quarter, he makes big throws. What does the tape say on him? Yeah, well, we're going to go a little in the weeds here, but I think people will understand. By the way, in the fourth quarter of this week, he was seven for seven for 138 yards.

So that's pretty good. But we're going to go a little deep in the weeds, but I think people will be able to visualize what I'm about to say. They are now doing something that is really, really good, and I think you're going to see more and more of it. They have found with George Pickens a classic boundary X receiver, meaning he's the single receiver to the short side of the field, the boundary side. So what they're doing is they're lining up with what we call four strong, meaning four receivers to the other side, to the wide side of the field. That's very difficult for a defense to deal with. So now what happens is you get pickings one-on-one on the short side of the field and rarely is there any help for that corner. And they run slants, they run back shoulder fades, they run regular fades.

Pickens is really difficult to handle. And over the last two weeks, Colin, they've had unbelievable. unbelievable success doing that. And there's no reason not to keep doing that. And I think it sets up a fascinating matchup this week because Tyson Campbell is the boundary corner for the Jaguars. And he's a good player. And that's going to be a really interesting matchup. So the Rams, who I will say this, they're not as good as Philly, not as deep as Pittsburgh or San Francisco. They hang around because I think McVeigh is having a stupendous year. I made this argument yesterday. they only have one elite player.

It's a middle line, inside linebacker, I think it's Ernest Brown. Only one elite player in their prime. Yeah. In their prime. One, Pittsburgh's got about eight. So they hang around against everybody. And now they face this defense goes from Pittsburgh and Pickett to Dak and Dallas. Now, my interpretation of what I see with Dallas is at the trade deadline, I feel like they need

tight end help. Another pop. I feel they're very dependent on CD Lamb. is really good when he's targeting CD Lamb. Is that what you see with Dak and the Cowboys offense? Yeah, Dax's coming off his best game. They had a buy, but the week prior, they played the Chargers. He had his best game.

He was his most efficient game. He actually made some plays outside of structure too, which we have not seen a lot recently because he just doesn't have the legs that he used to have. I think, as we've discussed with Dak before, it needs to be presented for him. I think they need to do a really good job schematically in terms of their use of personnel. their formations. They need to understand the defense they're playing against so they can anticipate it well and run route concepts that specifically attack it. Dack needs in some ways to be set up for success. And I think if they can do that, then he can be effective. I think he still needs to be

the driving force of that offense, Colin. I don't think they have enough with the run game. You and I both like Pollard, but I think we'd probably both agree that he's not a feature back in a strict sense. You can't run your offense through Tony Pollard. That's right. That's why yesterday, J. Mack suggested at the trade deadline, a Derek Henry move for Dallas, which I didn't think was terrible. But I want to go to Seattle and Cleveland, and I really want to focus on what. I want to focus on this discussion, on that game on Gino Smith. So J. Mack had mentioned it this week.

And I was watching this last week, too. And, you know, Pete Carroll's a defensive guy. The defense is young and getting better. Bobby, you know, I mean, it's just classic Pete. He's got a guy in the middle. His linebacker play is excellent. They're starting to get more of a pass rush. He's got a star corner.

It's so Pete Carroll. And he's running the football. Are you a little worried now? We got a lot of film on Gino. Cleveland's defense, good. It's a little like Brock Purdy. We love the fact. We love the story.

But do we love the player? What does the film say on what you're seeing on Gino? Well, I think there's ways in which he's most effective. And I think they're going to have to figure this out. They know what it is. but they drafted Jackson Smith-Najigba with the 20th pick in the draft this year, with the idea I'm sure that they play more with three wide receivers. But Gino on that offense are most effective, Colin, when they're playing with multiple tight ends.

It allows them to use their design, play action, boot pass game very effectively, which Gino was outstanding at last year, and he's still good at this year. You start getting into three wide and you start getting into a little more of a drop-back passing game. And so I'll be very anxious to see what direction they move. Last week, Metcalf did not play. They were very heavy with multiple tight-end sets. And that's where they're most effective. And by the way, I think this given week, you will probably see that because they're

going to have to protect against Miles Garrett, against Adairius Smith, and they're a little light at the right tackle position. Let's put it that way. So they're going to need to be able to protect, and I think they're going to need to play with multiple tight-in personnel this week. Okay, these are my three favorite questions to end this for the next seven, eight minutes. Sam Darnold in this offense. You know, my take is they went and got Sam Darnold. So Shanahan saw film and liked him.

Sam's athletic. He can be reckless. He has a slower delivery. When you look at schematically what the Niners do, does Sam work? Kyle must think he works. Does he work to you in this offense? You know, I think it's one of the most intriguing things that we're going to talk about. And I think you and I don't know 100%, you know, whether it will or not.

But, you know, obviously when you look at traits of a quarterback, physical traits. Darnold, big, he can throw, you know him well from USC, big, physical, athletic, can throw the ball. I'm fascinated to see because this is such a timing rhythm pass game. Purdy's best traits are timing and anticipation. Darnold is a bigger armed kid, bigger athlete. I would say that in his career, he's not played to the timing anticipation level that we've seen Purdy play in his short stint as a starter. So this is going to be fascinating.

There's a lot of throads between the numbers in this offense. Yes. We know Darnold at times in his career has struggled making those throws, seeing it with clarity. No, listen, it is fascinating because I would not have thought. It's fascinating. Yeah, I have not. I don't necessarily think in between the hash marks. That's not darn old strength.

His strength is moving, sometimes going deep, being a playmaker. And this is very much a Garapolo Purdy limitations arm strength, deliver it quickly, accurately. And that's not what Sam necessarily does. So I had said two weeks ago, the best half of football by a quarterback I saw was Lamar Jackson against Tennessee first half in London. I don't know what the stats said, but he was a wizard. It was unbelievable efficiency and speed and dynamic and accurate. And then you watch him against Detroit.

And you know, he's 16 and 1 against the NFC, Greg. And the reason I think that is, if you've never seen him or played against him, you have no idea how to defend him. I don't care what the tape says. So if you're the Browns, Steelers, bingles, you see him a couple times. The Rubik's Cube, you get a little head start on it. So I think Detroit was just flummoxed and overwhelmed the action. Avalanche of Lamar, what did the film say?

Yeah, and one of the things we're still seeing a lot of, by the way, which I think maybe under Todd Monkin, we thought we would not, was base personnel. They still play Ricard, a lot of snaps. But the point is, is I think you're seeing a really good mix now of run game with past game concepts that are really presenting clean throws for Lamar, and he's throwing the ball exceptionally well. I mean, you can see him, he's staying in the pocket, he's delivering the football. This past week was interesting because quite honestly there was no pressure on him, but you have to make the throws.

And I thought that their past game concepts are becoming really intriguing to watch, really good sense of spacing, really good sense of how to attack and break down zone coverage. And I think that's what Todd Monkin is bringing. And that's making Lamar feel really comfortable when he drops back. And you can tell he's waiting, he's delivering the ball later in the down, which is not something that he normally did. He'd normally get out of there. You can tell just by watching him, Colin, that he's a much more comfortable player playing in the pocket and delivering the football. Okay, let's end with Mahalm.

So one of the things that's great about Patrick, and he has great assistance with Brett Veach, the GM, and Andy Reid, they've rebuilt receiving cores. They've rebuilt offensive lines. They've let Tyreek Hill go. This is an organization like Philadelphia that doesn't get deeply embedded on anything. They're able to move off, Doug Peterson. move off Wents, Foles, Chip Kelly, and they still win. Well, move off Tyree Kill, rebuild offensive line, rebuild their defense, and they win Super Bowls. So I don't love, I keep putting them number two.

I don't love their receiving core. I think they're too Travis Kelsey reliant. Bolton is now hurt, but I watch Mahomes. Mahomes now, sometimes it's like a Thanksgiving day with the relatives, and he's the one that's an athlete. It's like he's toying sometimes in these late-game situations. what does the film say? Yeah, well, just before we get to the shot, I think one thing that's often overlooked with Mahomes,

and of course I've probably seen every snap going back to his last couple of years in college, he has a very intuitive and innate awareness of how defenders will react in zone coverage. And therefore, he has a great ability to hit receivers comfortably in void. And it plays to what you just said. Therefore, it looks easy.

And I want to show you this play from last week. It's actually from deep in his own territory. And this to me is just such a great example of how it's presented so clearly for him. And then you can see him make the throw. So let's take a look at that play now. This ended up being a 37-yard completion to Rishie Rice. And, you know, again, he looks wide open. So how does that happen?

And you see that a lot with the Chiefs. So you're going to see Mahomes in the gun here. And like I said, they're backed up pretty good. It's a first downplay. These are the two receivers you want to look at. Kelsey number two to trips, Rishi number three to trips. And now what is Patrick looking at? He's looking at a single high safety. So that's the coverage he sees right now. There's a single high safety. That linebacker right there, Kenneth Murray, he's the player, believe it or not, whom Mahomes is going to work off of.

And then you have this slot corner with outside leverage, okay? Here's the route combination. Kelsey on the short inbreaker, and then you're going to get Rishi Rice on the dig behind it. And you're going to see how this is just a basic, high, low concept. You can see. right here. Murray, the linebacker reacts to Kelsey. And then with the corner outside, there's a big void in the middle of the field for Rice. So it ends up being pitch and catch. It's just beautifully designed and it just looks so easy, but it's all based on understanding the defense and the structure of your route concepts, which you and I both know, Andy Reid and that staff are very, very good at. You see it really clearly here, you know, and that's how it looks like guys are open. They are open, but it all stems from the structure of your route concepts versus defenses that you anticipate.

Yeah, great players and great coaches make the difficult look very easy. In Kansas City, in the Super Bowl, did a little zigzag motion twice, wide open guys in a club of space. Yeah, and you're like, why doesn't everybody do that? Because everybody's not Andy Reed and Mahomes. That's why they make stuff look really, really easy. Greg CoSell, NFL films, 44 years. As usual on a Thursday, Greg, thanks so much.

Thanks, Conn. I appreciate it. Go back to the Super Bowl, where everybody struggles in the red zone. It's a cluttered space. 70% of your playbook doesn't work. Kansas City literally scored in the red zone in the Super Bowl, and people were wide open.

Wide open. It's like when Michael Jordan, he can't be the only guy that can go up with a hand and then switch to the other hand. I mean, these guys are all great. And he made it look really easy. Why doesn't everybody else do that? Great players and great coaches make good.

difficult stuff. That's a great example. Look pretty easy. You're like, why doesn't everybody do that? There you go. J-Mex, your eyes are down on those lines this week. I'm seeing some stuff out there that's not great. What do you mean? Miami Dolphins. Have you seen what's going on there? So I got the big game next week. Tyree Kill missing practice.

Yeah. So just some of the chatter in Miami feels like this could be a Patriots lines coming down toward the Patriots. But can you bet against Miami here at home? It's a tough week in the NFL. It is. I mean, every week is tough. Yeah.

But we had a winning week last week. We both did. We did. I was three and two. Three and two in the contest, yeah. I have a great parlay for you this weekend. Thanks to Draft King Sportsbook. Let's have some fun.

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This Tyree Kill injury is significant. He missed Wednesday's practice with a hip. They don't know about his status this weekend. Now, the only time he struggled this season was against the Patriots. Now, it was against the rookie Christian Gonzalez, but Belichick employed the heavy defensive. of back, I think it was six D.Bs on the field. Tyreek was held to his lowest yardage output, and he did not have an explosive catch.

Every other game, he's had one or more multiple catches of 20 yards. And more importantly, they're in Germany next week against the Chiefs, you know. Dolphins mindset, you know, listen, Kansas City Chiefs, best team in the league. We're going to Germany. Have you ever been in Germany? Looking up the best, Broughtworths. You know, like you're excited about that trip. Oh, we got the Patriots again.

beat them last time. They're not good. I think, I think nine and a half is eight. You know, plus we say this all the time. Divisional numbers. Yes. They're just the divisional games. They're just I mean, when New England beat Buffalo, I was surprised by it, but you're like, yeah, this is what happens in these divisions.

It's just always happened. Now, Tyreek is eight gunning for like 2,000 yards, so maybe he ends up playing. But I don't know, listen, Miami burned very hot early in the season, Colin. Just wonder if they maybe peaked a little bit early. Here's what we know about them.

A banged-up average O-line. So New England will get somewhat of a rush. If Tyree kills not on the field, Tirae faces pressure. It's also now late October. It's not 100 degrees. It's not a northern team going into a September swamp. So it's a cooler temperature. No Tyree.

Bad O'line translates to New England pressure. The side is absolutely New England. Absolutely. Now, and also you say, well, they just lost a problem. Philadelphia. They weren't humiliated by Philadelphia, but teams that play the Niners in Philly the following week tend to be beat up physically. So they'll probably be a dinged-up team, meaning many of their players are practicing less this week in Miami. The side is New England. Did you just announce you're taking Patriots in the Blas and the Blas and

the wise guys would side with the Patriots here. All right. Second story here is we've got another big point spread. The Baltimore Ravens. They had a massive win over Detroit. A lot of people crowning them. I think they were one in the herd hierarchy. Everybody loves Baltimore. Now they're on the road against the one and six Cardinals. Arizona's just getting their doors blown off. Four straight double-digit losses. Lamar Jackson isn't worried about overlooking this dumpster fire of an opponent. If you have a trap game or something like that when you've been complacent or thinking the team is, okay, yeah, we just beat this team 30-something to six, so we're not worried about this team.

I believe that's when that stuff pops into your brain, but I don't believe our guys like that. You know, we know it's any given Sunday. It's the NFL. You know, anybody can be beaten. So we're just going to go in there, go out there to Arizona and fight our butt off. Yeah. I mean, they're going to win, right? We just, the question is the number.

Baltimore's really good. By the way, 16 and 1 against NFC teams. You think this is the NFC team that's going to beat them? Come on. So, you know, remember this summer you, I sent you my buddy's preview? He does a lot of analytic stuff. He does. He had last week a staggering number, okay?

Home teams that are more than a touchdown underdog. 28 and 9 in the first half of the season against the spread. Now, first half of the season, you know, the injuries haven't set in, nobody's tanking yet. Home underdogs have more than a touchdown, 28 and 9. It's now they've covered 13 in a row. The Patriots last week against a bill. Home dog of more than seven, first half of the season, on a tear. Do you have the stomach for Arizona here?

Can you handle? Now, listen, that's not predictive. I like, I like one. I'm actually in the Blazing Five. I'm taking a favorite this week. I'm holding my nose and taking a favorite. Chargers? No.

Oh, wow. My family, I apologize to my family for no more vacations. I've lost three straight times on the Chargers. So I'm done with Atlanta and the Chargers. I'm out. So, I mean, listen, you know, you say you humiliate a team, big spot, like let down the following week. I know, but there's just places I can't go. I know, again, the side is Arizona.

The side is New England. I think I'd be more comfortable with New England. Yeah. Because Baltimore came off a gigantic win. And then your Lamar's stat against teams that haven't seen him. What is it 16 and 1 against you? They're going to win. It's just what's the score.

All right, we'll wrap up with NBA here. Chet Holmgren. Had a pretty good game. It was all right. He's coming off the foot injury where he missed all last season. 11 points, four boards, three assists, showing the three-point stroke here. Looks pretty good. Looks kind of like me from deep.

Seven four you. Seven, yeah. Look at that move against Vukovic. I think the Thunder are really an interesting team. They're spicy this year. Yeah, they're a really interesting team with a million draft picks. We didn't show it, but Chet got picked by Andre Drummond and then got crossed up and fell down. The Chicago crowd went wild.

Chad Holmgren had a funny interview after it and like, was like, I have removed. Let's put a pin in that. But listen, I'm rooting for Chet Holmgren. Remember him at Gonzaga how good he was? And then he just got bullied in the NCAA tournament. And I wonder if he's going to be able to hold up in the NBA. If I told you that Chet Hongren is a less talented Wembe, is that a bad cop? He's a poor man's Wembe?

Yeah. So basically if Wembe is going to be a 29 point a game, 32 point a game, dominant defensive player, perennial All-Star, Holmgren's a two-time All-Star, 21 a game, not as good defensively, but an absolute nuisance to defend and just shot-blot. If Jeff Holmgren ends up being a B-plus guy, Wemby's an A-plus, I think that's a decent comp. Okay, over under two-and-a-half All-Star games for Chad Holmgren.

In his career. Well, let me think about that, because the West doesn't have a... There's all the numbers about guys who are his height. Well, he's not going to make a ton of all-star game. Well, I guess he would because Wemby will make him. Right. And who's your other big? Like, he's not going to be the best player on the Thunder.

That's SGA. It'll be the second best player. I think he makes, I would say two all-star games, 21 and a half, 22 a game, good player. What's wrong with that? Nothing's wrong with that. I think he's going to be a five player. I would take the underline.

So the Yokic is going to be the starting center in the West. We know that. That's done, right? Yeah. So then you're battling. I mean, the West is scat. Like Zion Williams. Zion Williams is going to be a set.

If he's healthy, he's in. Maybe under on two and a half all-old. Yeah, yeah. And that's not a knock. Like, I like Chad Holmgren, but... Yes, what I'm. We're happy the NBA's back. I am.

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Why would I need to memorize anything? I've got a good staff. We look up stuff. and you can, you know, even games that I miss because I have a function or with my wife, I can YouTube it and get 22 minutes of a game instead of the three hours of commercials. So this job is easier than it used to be. And the downside of social media, I think one of the downsides is that there's so much outrage about stuff that I'm just not outraged about.

Like there's things that go on in the world that really bother me deeply. But sports is now one of them. And I'm supposed to be outraged about Michigan using an iPhone and buying tickets on seat geek for a low-level staffer. Seat geek and iPhone, never when you put them together, am I outraged? It's a stupid rule in 1994, and I can't go from dumb, never-used rule to outraged. Sorry, Buckeye fan. I don't show you're outraged.

I have a life. I'm not outraged by sports. There are times I'm disappointed. I think a coach makes a mistake. A player's a jerk. A player misses a game. somebody makes a bad call by an official. But this idea that I'm supposed to be outraged for a dumb rule in 1994 that was created when

it was camcorders and it would take all day to get a ticket. When I was a kid, in 1994, so that's, you know, you're talking 30 years ago. And I know how old I was. If I wanted to go in the Pacific Northwest, if I wanted to go to a Mariner game or something in the late 80s or early 90s, you'd go to the ballpark, plan a lunch, sit in line, Fenway, kingdom, whatever the stadium was, get tickets. It was a process. So going to get tickets to every Big Ten opponent game in 1994 was a process. It was like planning and scheming and a scandal and covert and espionage.

Now you just have an app and it happens in two seconds. So it's like, yeah, somebody went and got tickets to a bunch of games. That sounds so much worse than it is. And then they didn't use a camcorder or sophisticated equipment. she's her iPhone I'm not moved to a level of outrage I think it speaks so poorly of people that are constantly outraged politically

there's not that much out there we all have lives and kids today I'll go home and have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich if my dog was here I'd pet my dog I'd turn TV on take a quick nap go work out that's my life every day it's just boring this idea that I'm supposed to just join your outrage The stuff I'm outraged by what happened in Maine, Middle East, those things are outrageous. That's what really gets me worked up and very visceral and emotional.

I talk for hours with my wife. This Michigan thing is a slap on the wrist. Take a couple scullies away. Now, I do think it has a chance to move Harbaugh back to the pros because he's just going to roll his eyes at it. I feel like it feels like Pete Carroll and USC. But stop trying to make me sharing your outrage. I'm not. iPhone seat geek.

a stupid rule. And I said yesterday, every state's got something if you went deep into the books. You know, it's illegal to cow tip in Kentucky or something goofy. And it's a real law. And nobody cares about it. And nobody talks about it because it has no real influence on anything. This isn't winning and losing games for Michigan. They're beating people by 40.

They're crushing people. And by the way, as Mark Sanchez said yesterday, when you play a football game, by the middle of the second quarter, you know, you kind of know what the other guys are doing. You can be two series in and you have a sense, we can't block this, we can't stop this, this is a weakness, let's double down on this. In the NFL, you're constantly adjusting. In college, you generally play a half, adjust, have a second half. In the NFL, you're adjusting series to series because you have the headset.

So college isn't quite as sophisticated. But when Michigan's taking 28-0 leads on the Big Ten every week, I'm sorry it's not because they know you're going to run a sweep to the right. By the way, even in the 70s, even in the 70s, they were starting to use late 70s, early 80s, they were starting to use, I don't know if there was computers or not, but I remember watching a coaches show in Seattle that they kind of knew what teams would do on first and five, first and 10, second and four. Every team has habits.

So everybody kind of knows what you're doing anyway. Even Andy Reid is creative as Andy Reid is in Sean McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan. You go into a week knowing based on your computer reads and what the computer tells you, Warren Sharp will do this. You know how often the Seahawks run on first down. You know what side they run to. You know their predicaments, liabilities, and straits. Teams all know that going into games.

Yeah, yeah, it would be an advantage if, you know, like I kind of had a feeling on a trick play especially. But Penn State knew. Marvin Harrison was getting the ball last week. couldn't stop him. Chargers knew Kelsey was getting it. Couldn't stop him. Nobody can stop Kelsey. Everybody knows the ball's going to. Everybody knows Marvin Harrison's getting it. Nobody can stop him. Nobody can stop Caleb Williams. You know where the ball's going. I watch every USC play. I can tell you what they're going to mostly do. You know who's getting the ball on third down. By the way, MJ's getting the last shot. Ooh, they stole our huddle. Hey, where do you think all this outrage comes from? Is it just people seeking attention online?

A lot of people seem irrationally upset about the Michigan style. I'm not somebody that needs Twitter monetization to live a life and pay my cable bill. But I do think now you can make money on social media by being outraged and crazy and wild. That's not what I do for a living. I make my money in TV, the volume, Fox, you know, whatever. That's not where I need to monetize. But there's a lot of people, their business is monetization on social media. And you don't get it by being rational and having a common sense view.

But I'm not outraged by this stuff. It's just a dumb 94 rule that's not changing outcomes. You knew every last night, Luca and the Spurs. You knew Luca was going to have the ball and get the shot. The whole arena knew it. And I'm like, yeah, there's Luca. Nothing you can do. Mariano Rivera.

Here comes the cutter. You couldn't hit it for 10 years. So, yeah, let's say Michigan once, twice a game, you know, hey, this is what they do. They have overwhelming information all these teams do on the trends. By the week seven in the NFL, you are fooling nobody. You are fooling nobody by week seven in the NFL. That's why the opening week, McVeigh brings in a new offense, nobody's seen him. By week two, people have figured out the Rams change their offense.

Andy Reid for the Super Bowl brings out a play he hasn't used. But if you start watching Andy Reid's teams, they have habits, they go to certain plays over and over. they bury people. I mean, I know what Kansas City does. Now, you give Andy a buy. You give Andy two weeks. Then Andy's a handful. But week to week in college or pro football,

you only get 17 hours to practice. There's only so much these college programs do and can't do. Yeah, the kid, Matt Canada, the OC of the Pittsburgh Steelers. So predictable, like the first four weeks, guys on social media. Not even NFL people like breaking down the people. Guys were like, hey, they're in shotgun. They're passing like 80% of the time or whatever the number was. they're under center, they're running. First down. They know what he's doing because his tendencies

are so predictable. By the way, and despite that, Pittsburgh's winning. Yeah. They're winning. So it's, again, I, it does feel like it was a little too covert, slap him on the wrist, take some scullies away. But the idea that it just, it's really why they're winning. God, folks, they are just mashing people. They are devouring team. It's 28, nothing like that. It's not because you got some intern on the right side going they're running left they're running left point to the sky hour three next another podcast from some s nl late night comedy guy not quite on humor me with robert smigel and friends me and hilarious guests from bob odenkirk to david leterman help make you funnier this week my guess s nL's mikey day and head writer streeter sidel help an acapella band with their between songs

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