The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - HOUR 2 - Nets, Celtics

Episode Date: May 12, 2022

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Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie. Feeling in for Colin Cowherd. Colin's back from Italy next week. Stuck with me today and tomorrow. Just guessing. Just guessing. There'll be a lot of Italy food references.

maybe some terrible Italian takes when Colin returns. Nonetheless, always, always good for him to get away. I was thinking about something I heard yesterday from Sean Marks. And the long cut is the better cut because there's a reasonable question to ask. and there's a thoughtful answer given. So while we watch the Milwaukee Bucks who came from behind to take on the Boston Celtics, we watch the Celtics,

who of course, they've been to the conference finals before, they've had early exits in the playoffs, they were the ones who beat the Nets. We watch the Phoenix Suns, a team who, up until really the bubble, two and a half years ago,

like this is a, franchise that had acquired some quality players, and then they got Chris Paul and everyone, myself included, was like, I love Chris Paul, but it feels like he's at the end. And I like their players, but man, do they have time to get this thing going and learn how to win? And remember, they were the hottest team in the bubble, and then last year the finals, this year the best record in the West, and here they are. And the Gold State Warriors, that's just, while they're bad yesterday, the Warriors, the Grizzlies, like, it looks like a team.

Now, I'd be fair and tell you that the Nets, it's impossible to really know what they have. You know, you didn't have Joe Harris, who's a great shooter, and actually has positional size. You never had Ben Simmons, and so you couldn't really have the type of versatility, offensively and defensively. And, you know, those top heavy teams, when you have three guys making all the money, you know, you're just one guy goes down and you're not going to be the same. And there's some flaws in their construction, right? You have Patty Mills.

You can't go and get Seth Curry because now the two guys are just too small. It's hard enough to play one small player in the NBA. Go look. It's almost impossible to play a guy who's 6-2 or below unless he's Marcus Smart and he's just tougher than a $2 steak. You know, you already have Kyrie Irving. So there's some flaws in construction there. But Sean Marks is a guy who, of course, played as a journeyman in the league.

Part of that Spurs organization. And if you want to be critical of what they put together, you have to also give them a little credit for what was initially built. You go back before they landed Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving. and the Brooklyn Nets were actually the model for many rebuilding teams around the league. That they had kind of cobbled together, some really nice young pieces. They had incredible culture. They played for each other.

They played analytics basketball as well. You know, they didn't take tough twos. It was threes and layups. And they were basically a 500 team that made the playoffs. And the thought was, hey, if they could add maybe the right. thing or two. What's happened since? They signed Kyrie Irving

and almost immediately he didn't want to play for Kenny Atkinson. Kyrie Irving, the first year he's in Brooklyn, if you remember, he was quoted as saying these guys are good, but we'll have better players on the way. The rest of the league, maybe

he didn't like any individual players, but the way they played together. Kyrie kind of crapped all over it, right? Hey, you got your culture and your players, that's fine, better dudes along the way. Then, of course, there was the bubble combined with Kevin Durant's injury, and Kyrie basically refused to go to the bubble, showed no support for his teammates, no support for even the league playing in the bubble. I mean, he talked about starting his own league.

Then they named Steve Nash, a former player, and oh yeah, by the way, one of the close friends of the channel manager. And he immediately says, I don't really need a head coach. Heck, you even fast forward to the end of this year when Kyrie Irving in his postseason press conference says, man, I really can't wait to get together with the owner, the GM, no mention of Steve Nash,

in terms of the future of the franchise. We hadn't really heard from Sean Marks. Here's what he had to say when he was asked about the future of Kyrie Irving, with the Nets. Is the organization committed to Kairi long term? Yeah, look, I think that's something we've been discussing and we will continue to debrief on and discuss throughout this offseason. And it's honestly not just Kairi. I mean, you bring Kairi up, but we have decisions to make on a variety of different free agents throughout our roster. We haven't had any of those

discussions yet, so it would be unfair for me to comment on, you know, how it looks with us and Kyrie because to be quite frank, he has some decisions to make on his own what he's going to do with his player option and so forth like that. But I think we know what we're looking for. You know, we're looking for guys that want to come in here, be part of something bigger than themselves, play selfless, play team basketball, and be available. And that goes not only for Kyrie, but for everybody here. This is one of those. Somebody asks you, are you going to get married and you've been dating for three years? And the non-answer is, of course, the answer. Right?

It's the, you know, I haven't ruled out. Mary, but haven't ruled out? That's the answer. But even more so, the end of that answer was really telling. Need to be available. Carverings hurt every year. Or there's always something. Look, if it was just the vaccine and the rule in Brooklyn where he couldn't play home games,

that's one thing, right? the vaccine talk brought out the crazy in everybody. It just did. You know, it's a lot like the Trump presidency. It just brought out the crazy in both sides. I get it. If this was a standalone only issue, but it's not. From flat earth to we don't need a coach to these players,

we'll have a bunch of new players when we actually want to be good, to what happened in Boston. I want to stay. Then he's out. Then he blames Boston for all the issues in Boston. You even go back to Cleveland and wanting out from LeBron because LeBron was ready to move on after they won the NBA title. And then you factor in all the injuries. And again, if it was just the vaccine thing, you could have gone, look, man, a lot of people have really passionate feelings about it.

It became divisive. I don't necessarily give you a pass. but I understand. But there's a clear pattern there. And then you factor in, when asked about Kyrie, he talks about playing for others. When asked about Kyrie, he talks about culture. He's telling you all you need to tell you. And I think the really hard part is that Sean Marks, you know, he built a house.

And then, and everybody's seen this before. somebody buys a house and you're like, man, great location. Love the yard. Like the layout. You know, you know, you just go through and you clean up, redo the kitchen, do a little back splash. You know, go into the bathrooms, replace the vanity, paint the whole house. You know, basically it's the same structure. You just freshen it up.

You know, cosmetic redo. That's what, when you're a 500 club and you got great culture, You got a great location in New York and in Brooklyn. The Knicks were at that point a disaster. Nobody wanted to consider going there, even though they had all the money in the world. I remember what's real. And then people will come in and they'll screw up a house. Right.

Well, you know, I want a modern farmhouse with sort of a contemporary feel. The furniture doesn't kind of match. And you just kind of have new projects, to have new projects, to have new projects. You go through multiple contractors. and a couple years later you walk in, you're like, this house had so much potential. And now it's just a mess. Right?

Now it's just a mess. It's not a modern-day farmhouse. You know, it's not a mid-century modern. It's just, you know, somebody put a Roman statue up in the front. And you just keep trying to throw lipstick on a pig, if you will. and I think Sean Marx is probably trying to say, hey, look,

we built this thing, we built it the right way, and we screwed it up. And how they screwed up? They bit the apple. Right? They bit the apple. It's the biblical reference. Adam and Eve.

Don't bite the apple. What you're doing was building and growing and getting better and maybe organically you can end up getting a star part, but it's got to be the right guy. You know, Jay Wright retired, what, a couple weeks

ago now? A couple weeks ago, right, with Villanova? And Jay Wright's an incredible coach. I don't know if he's going to coach again. I do get a sense that maybe he gives it a shot of coaching in the

NBA. Maybe not, because what they built at Villanova was an unbelievable culture. But what many people forget is that, you know, he made the Final Four in 2016. Excuse me, he made the Final Four in 2009. And after finally getting that program rolling, winning 30 games, he went out and got the best recruiting in the country, the best.

And what happened? A couple years later, they went 13 and 19. And it wasn't because those players weren't good players. They didn't fit the program. They didn't fit the coaching style. They didn't fit the culture. So they scrapped it. They redid it.

And he built a program that won 33, 35, 32, 36, 26, 24, and 30 games. That's what they did. And if you ask Jay Wright, they have an expression there. OK, geez, our kind of guys. The Brooklyn Nets were built. culture and Spencer Dinwiddie, Karris Levert, and, you know, some of these other players that, they're not necessarily top-end players, and you're going to need a star or two if ultimately you want to win an NBA championship, but you can't do it at the cost of your culture.

And you cost your culture when you bite that apple. Adam, they told, don't bite the apple. Like, you thought you knew more than Brooklyn? Like, Brad Stevens is a pretty smart guy. Danny Ains is a pretty smart guy. And I know that here I am filling in for Colin, and Colin is all about aggressive teams and aggressive teams and aggressive teams. Like, that's great.

The Nets were aggressive, weren't they? They went out and got the two best dudes you can possibly get. Kyrie Irving, basketball talent-wise, there are a few people who have ever laced up a pair of sneakers and brought the ball up a court who have the type of talent. Kevin Durant, I mean, that guy is, he's an unstoppable scoring machine. who does, he wants to win, he wants to help people get better, he wants to play defense. He's played his best at the very top of the NBA.

He stared down LeBron James. He was the better player in two different NBA finals. And even coming off of injury before he tore his Achilles 10 in that one half, he was the best player on the floor in those NBA finals with Kauai Leder. You couldn't have gotten two guys with better resumes who are friends. and they completely destroyed everything. And then you went out and got James Harden. Brooklyn bit the apple. The reason we study history is to not repeat it.

And this is biblical history. And you can hear the frustration in Sean Mark's voice and the hearkening back to a former day, an older day when the Nets were the model of how to rebuild a franchise. And he knows that he had the location. He got the owner with the money. They had the arena. They had the vibe.

And they screwed it up. And the question is, do you go back down to the studs? Do you just rework the design? What do you do now? But there definitely has to be kind of a little bit of not just remorse, but almost mourning for what has been lost. with the Nets, considering where they were just a couple years ago. All right, coming up next, John Middulcoff, we'll join us.

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Before we get to that, um, man, I, I honestly, like I'm watching last night and I can't think I'm just I'm just trying to think like look this is one of the things that's really

hard about about the NBA which is how can you how can you lose by 40 how can you lose by 40 I bring up because middle cough's a nor a NorCal guy and the Warriors just I mean they just got eviscerated last night that just that was crazy that's that's one of the most more, it wasn't just the outcome, it's the way in which it happens, the complete and thorough domination of the Warriors that was shocking, alarming,

and one of these, well, we'll just, we'll get them next time. Like, will you? Will you get him next time? Because that was, that was a stutter. All right, we got a lot to get to in regards to the NFL as well. The schedule is going to drop today. But what happened to your Warriors last night? You know, I just mailed it.

Mike Brown, dialing it. already getting ready for the Sacramento Kings? Okay. I mean... I don't know. I mean, ran into a buzzsaw. They clearly... I mean, let's face it. They haven't played well now in two games. I mean, it was the last couple of minutes of, what would have been in game four?

I mean, the Warriors looked like crap in game four. And that was at home. And then they had that crazy, like, end of the game. Dylan Brooks shot him out of it, and Steph scored, you know, had one of his crazy 18 points and five-minute type deal. but yeah, I don't know. I mean, it's honestly a little scary. I mean, it's one thing, you know, I mean, you know this better than anybody.

You know, the playoffs and just big-time basketball, obviously it's about your stars, but who made the biggest play in the Celtics game, a role player. And now the Warriors, Otto Porter got hurt, Gary Payton got hurt. You start losing role players. They should still win this series would jive out, but I don't know, man. I don't really see a championship on the way. No, especially based on how they played recently, I do think they need Gary Payton back.

And I'm not sure that extending the series isn't the worst thing because it gets more ball for Clay. But that wasn't good. One thing with Memphis, too, is when Jaws out, they do, if they're playing well, they do spread the ball around and play like the team. No, it's, yeah, it's the Warriors. And obviously they're not the Warriors, but it's the Warriors pre-Durant and the Warriors now, as opposed to with Durant. Like, no question Durant was the best dude on that team.

but it's a very different style of basketball. One is different to defend, and then two, it's those guys, I'm sure, enjoy playing. You play harder on defense when you touch the ball on offense. You just do, no matter how much you like Jha, if you're just watching him go one-on-one and do his thing, like you're kind of just sitting there standing waiting for the ball to come to you, and that's not the way they played otherwise. I want to ask you about Tom Brady, and I pointed this out when the deal came down that, I'm not sure people understand the 180 that's happened in public perception with Brady.

And after deflakegate, he was not popular. Like, this is a guy, he was, that was the evil empire of the NFL. And as much as people have never really appreciated maybe Belichick and because of the dryness, because he doesn't give you anything, Brady was like his con sigliere. You know, he's very much a part of that thing. And after the divorce with the Patriots, between social media, traditional media, winning a Super Bowl, getting White Boy wasted at the victory parade.

He's done everything right. But when he's named the highest paid broadcaster having never called a game in his life, doesn't that signify an incredible 180 in terms of public perception? Yeah, I mean, I never had a problem with the FOIA, because I thought it was kind of stupid. Yes.

Clearly, people already hated the Patriots. They had things going on forever about cheating and that was the icing on the cake, and then he got suspended. But you're right. I mean, he's played social media perfectly, where I think most people would have thought he was old and out of touch. And it's not like he's making the videos, but still, like he has a huge hand in it.

I think one thing Tom does a good job of, and I think Janus is the king of this, smiles a lot, seems kind of happy. And it's just, I think Peyton really feels like that on TV with Eli. They just feel like happy. You just feel like I kind of want to hang out with this. guy. Now, I watched, have you watched Man in the Arena? A little bit. You know, I've watched two or three episodes, and Tom is really good in that. Part of it is because it's unfiltered. It's not regulated. He can swear. And he feels like

that's how he would talk if you were in the meeting room with him or in the lunch table with him. He's just being himself. You're not able to do that when you're calling a game. So I think it's going to be difficult. I mean, Romo separated. himself by knowing all the place. Well, he no longer knows all the place. And now, to me, can be a little cheesy. I don't think Tom is going to go that route. But I think one thing, Tom, like Peyton, hang their hat on, obviously their football

knowledge is elite. But they can just act like, God, these guys are cool. Yes. And it'll be interesting because Peyton, I think, said last year, like, one thing I'm not going to do, I don't want to be the guy always ripping players and coaches, which let's face it, like, that's, you're playing to the fans. And the fans who make this league go, that's how we're all thinking when a guy screws up. We're not acting you to just blast people to blast people, but really who, you know, when a

guy's playing bad, which is usually the quarterback or the coach does stupid things, that'll be interesting for Tom, because here's the other thing, even way more than Manning. Like his first, let's just say month on the job, who knows when the hell that'll be. But let's just say he's calling, you know, the cowboy game. And he were to say something about Dak, like, I don't see it. Can you imagine next day? I mean, we don't, and be the number one story in football. Right? I mean, whatever he says specifically about superstar players. So I think it's going to be very, very interesting to see how he does that, which I don't expect him to be Mr. Critical. So, and he's not going to be allowed to kind of swear and be a guy's guy.

It's going to be interesting. I would only combat that with, and I agree with you. I mean, I want to say swear, I just mean, like, you know, he's going to have to kind of be his, like, broadcast self, not his normal self. No question. I mean, it should be pointed out that in the NFL, like, who has called the top level games who's ever been truly critical, especially the quarterbacks? I'd say Aikman got back to his roots the last this year. You know, he just started being harder on people. But I'm with you.

Like, they're not like blasting people. But, you know, I think Romo has kind of gone the other way. I mean, you feel like he's universally loved. It kind of feels like he's cheesy now. Yeah. Yeah. And there are some things that you get away with early on, you know, that you over-talking and mumbling and not letting the play breathe, that it becomes when there's, when it's not interesting and it's not, it just, it does become. I guess what I'm saying about Tom is literally everything he says is a story and a headline.

And I don't think that's necessarily going to change once he retires and is calling a game with Burkhart. So it's going to, that's the, that's the brilliance of getting him, though, right? That's the brilliance of getting him. is that you went from, I mean, it's, I completely agree there. It is weird, though, that, like, he was a couple months ago, he was going to retire to spend more time with his family, and now he's going to be gone every weekend. Has any human alive ever hated retirement more than Tom Brady? I mean, Farv, there's lots of, you know, there's, there's lots of dudes that, that.

But Farve didn't work after he quit. Like, Tom just can't even think about ever being retired. He needs something in his life. Yes, and he needs it to be football, and football is a way of, of, with all his other businesses and, and all his other, now he keeps looking younger, so he's going to look like a teenager by the time he calls these games. Yeah, I mean, I'll have whatever, whatever, whatever he's having. One to ask you about this story about Trey Lance being underwhelming. You know that Niners organization. I've known people near where I live who work out with him, who throw with him, who are like, yeah,

Ray Lance is, you know, working out with other NFL quarterbacks. He's not nearly at their level. But he has other traits and other abilities. And clearly their pot committed based upon how much they unloaded to get him. What are you hearing about San Francisco and who we assume is now their quarterback? Yeah, I think it was hard for him in the sense that he was being compared every day to a guy who'd been in the league for seven, eight years, right? Who learned under Brady, who'd been a starting quarterback in the Super Bowl. it's not you know Zach Wilson

Trevor Lawrence Field some of these guys get to go to places where there's nothing else so you're just kind of compared to yourself you're kind of getting compared to this other starter who's a flawed player but obviously Jimmy's experience and just knowledge I also think he has a lot to work on I mean he's a major project you have the mechanics of his throwing need to be

fixed he's just not the most I would say naturally accurate guy so there are just things that he's going to have to figure out fast because this next 45 days or however long it's going to be once OTAs really get going this week, it's his show, and he's going to have to prove to the head coach,

who's also the play caller, whose offense is literally his family, you know, resume and baby, right? The Shanahan offense is like a family creed. So it's going to be a lot of pressure for spring practice on one guy, and that's fair. I mean, you make a trade like that, you get drafted high. I mean, there's a lot of pressure on Zach Wilson. There's a lot of pressure on Trevor Lawrence, right?

All the hype. So it's just, I think it just comes with the territory. And to me, I'm not a huge, like, living the past guy with super young players. Like, who cares? Like, your time is now, you know, and it's, you can prove it. You have, you know, Debo's eventually going to show up. Kittle, Iuke, your coach, they had a million running backs. They aren't any excuses.

So I don't really worry too much about last year because it's not. They don't, they like the guy. and to me his character and his work ethic and just in terms of his intelligence, all that stuff I've heard is good. So if you have that, as a young player, you should naturally improve if you just work hard. And I haven't heard anything about his work ethic not being great. I don't love taking like one clip on social media and making a grandiose statement about it. But of course, I'm going to contradict myself and do it.

Doug Gottlievin for Colin, this is the herd. I saw a clip. They tweeted it out, though, right? What, the Tua Tugaviloa? Is that what you're about to talk about? Yes. Are we talking about the same thing? It's not like a fan put it out.

The team put it out. Right. So for people who didn't see it, the Miami Dolphins on their team account put out a video, a highlight of Tua throwing a ball to the Cheetah, right? To Tyreek Hill. And the two easy things to pick up on were one, it wasn't quackin, but it wasn't exactly Warren Moon, right,

like the best spiral in the history of football. Additionally, it was badly underthrown, and Tyreek Hill basically had to stop and wait for it. Again, without making a gross assessment based upon one tweeted out highlight, the idea of getting the fastest great receiver in the history of the sport with a quarterback who can't seem to throw the ball far enough for him? Does that all work? Yeah, if I was going to defend, I'll start with a positive.

I don't, would I love to have super tight Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady spirals, of course. But as Peyton Manning says, like he was king of ducks. So you can, Philips Rivers, you can throw non-spirals if you're really accurate. Now, I think you watch two of you go, he's not Mr. Accurate. and clearly the deep ball, the problem for him's going to be is we've seen Tyree Kill at the peak of his powers dominate. Hall of Famer, right? Like in his four or five years with Patrick Mahomes,

it's as good as you get. He's like the greatest deep threat of all time. So when you do a still shot on him catching the football, I saw someone post on Twitter like, is this guy receiving a punt or catching a pass? And listen, like that's just a reality. is that it's going to be hard to do that play action seven-step drop bomb with the guy that we've seen. Hell, we've seen Patrick Mahomes overthrow the guy, let alone all the sweet plays have been him running under the football.

Do you know what I think the elephant in the room is? Is Tom going to be the starting quarterback there next year? That to me is too, like to me, when we talk about Herbert or Burrough, we're going, God, could these guys be one of the, you know, Mahomes or is Lamar going to really just be the first, you know, be a guy to sustain as a running quarter. We talk about Tua, like, can he be a starter? You know, not can he be a good player, not can he be a top 15 player? Can he just be a starter?

And that's what we're all thinking already. You know, the owner, they already know they passed on the wrong guy. So you got a new coach. And hell, we don't even know, I'm rooting for the coach, but he's never called plays. You know, he's obviously never been a head coach. There's a lot of, you acquire a guy who's been just an elite player. I mean, we've seen Tyreek in the biggest games dominate. I mean, last year there were several games that build game, the Charger game,

where he just basically said, yeah, I'll take over. The Super Bowl. They know win the Super Bowl of anybody other than Tyree kills playing. He's an all-time great talent. And if he doesn't look right, he ain't going to get blamed, even if he is slipping or whatever. And the reason the Chiefs traded him, their quarterback's going to get blamed. And you feel it literally on their first practice,

which I see a lot of people are like, we're overreacting. The team put it out. So when the team puts it out, I'm putting that one on the dolphins. You cannot, you can't put out that video. Like there's probably a million other videos from practice that no one would even have noticed. You put out that one? I mean, you just, that's an all-time misstep by, you know,

the University of Miami grad that's a social media intern. Yeah, that's the other part to it, which is, and this happens all the time, right? the lowest paid guy in the totem pole affects the perception of everybody else. Jarvis Landry, Odell Beckham Jr. There's some big-name dudes that are out there on the market. If you're the Packers, are one of those veterans the type of guy you want to bring in because you got all these kind of young, unproven guys?

You got a couple young unproven guys? Well, you know a big picture thing with the Packers? And I understand why Aaron the last couple years was like, I'm not coming, especially last year, go to Hawaii, drink some mites, and I haven't seen, you know, is Aaron going to show up this offseason? Because to me it's kind of important with all these new guys. And if he does, then you can get a pretty good feel for, you know, we're going to be okay, right? Or we're going to need something.

To me, if he's not there and you're running all these practices with Sammy Watkins and this new kid from, you know, North Dakota State, Watson, and Randall Cobb, it's harder to get a grasp of what you're not. need with Jordan Love playing because it's not going to look as good. So there's just so much unknown. To me, if Aaron shows up, you just now have been that executive and head coach, you know, I've been together with that operation now for a while. They'd have a pretty good feel.

Now, I would rather have Jarvis Landry than Randall Cobb, but that's part of the deal with giving, you know, Rogers, the, you know, LeBron James level power. He might not want that. The other thing in Jarvis specifically, you know, you saw Bobby Wagner. who actually didn't get as much money as it sounded like on social media, but Honey Badger did. You know, Honey Badger got like $18 million guaranteed. So some of the times these older, I mean, they're not bad old.

They're like 30 years old or 29 or 31 or whatever. But they're used to making, you know, 10, 11 million. They don't want, they're getting some of these offers probably from some of these teams. They're like $3,4 million. And so they're like, screw you all wait. So I wonder if Jarvis thinks that there's a team out there willing to pay them. And there might not be. But if you're the Packers and you do have to pay a little bit,

I want to find out for sure, like, what does Aaron look like with some of these new dudes? Last thing. Who wins the PGA? Phil? Defense? No. You know, I mean, Scotty Schaeffler, I mean, every time you bet again, he's winning. Have you mentioned your pod or has Con mentioned Phil reported losing 40 million over four years in gambling?

Well, this guy, Alex Shipnuck, the guy that covers and writes about golf, wrote a book on Hill. Yeah, I know. From 10 to 14, he lost $40 million gambling. $40 million. Like somebody tackle the dude and take his phone away. Huh? I mean, I think he gambles on the NFL, right? I mean, I think it was supposedly college basketball.

Like, you don't lose $40 million betting on one sport. You're betting on everything. And doing so poorly. I think you chase. I think part of it probably, like Phil makes a ton. So maybe to get his juices going on a Duke North Carolina game, he has to bet $100. grant.

When you start betting some of these six-figure bets, all of a sudden you're losing, you start betting like a big seven-figure bet, right? And then it's pretty easy to find yourself in a hole, especially when you're betting Phil's units. And, I mean, he's notoriously, like, I mean, he did it, I guess, quote-unquote, legally, but he's like the Pete Rosa golf. I mean, this guy is addicted to gambling, which I kind of like. Well, yeah, except then you do, you do, can I at least wonder when you've had these

late collapses that opens in the past? Can I at least wonder? You think he's throwing them? I just, again, like, I don't think so, but I don't know so. You have bizarre collapses. Do you think that'd be an all-time story? It's like, why did Phil hit an OB on 18? Wait, wait, why did he hit it?

Hold on. Why did he hit a driver off the deck at Wingfoot? Why would you hit a driver off the deck? There's no reason you hit a driver off the deck on your second shot at Wingfoot. No possible reason. He's aggressive, man. He's aggressive. John Mito Koff 3 now, it's the podcast.

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Ryan Music, what do you got, my friend? Well, Doug, one of the NBA games and action last night that we laid witness to was the Boston Celtics and the Milwaukee Bucks, the Milwaukee Box,

mounting a comeback, taking a lead in the series. obviously a hugely disappointing result for the Boston Celtics and their head coach Ime Yudoka talked about that disappointing loss after the game. Guys are going to be pissed about the outcome. We outplayed them for three and a half quarters. And so we talked about showing our resolve.

We made it tougher on ourselves now and it'll make it sweeter when we bounce back. But no, we gave it up a golden opportunity tonight. Tough, tough loss to swallow for the Boston Celtics, who seemingly had the bus. on the ropes with a big win in hand, and it just fell right through their fingers. Well, I mean, even if you go back, I mean, you could say if you go back to game four, they had a great shot there and couldn't close. But last night is absolutely, when you have home court advantage,

and in game five, you let one like that slip away where you're up six. But, you know, the one thing which is really important is, you know, it's the little thing. Yes, Drew Holiday made it in a couple incredible plays. The block shot, the steel, Yana steps up, makes it three. These things are amazing. But what also should be stated, and it's really, really important, is that they didn't get a rebound. You're up sick. There was several opportunities.

Miss free throw, no rebound. Miss shot, no rebound. It's those little things. And you either do those little things and you win those close games or you don't. And I just, that is, yeah. You have to feel the pain before you taste the champagne. We got to have a little bit of perspective on the Celtics. Am I giving them a pass?

No. But you have a coach who's in his first year. That's a good point. You have two-star players that are not 26 years old. And go look historically at the NBA in Jordan and LeBron and even Janus. Like, you know, winning usually in your early. Magic is the only guy and bird. Those are the only two guys to come in and win in their early 20s.

It should also be pointed out that they, Magic had Kareemar with him, obviously not in game seven when they won that first title. Right. And Larry Bird, though he took like a 20-win team, made it a 59 win team. He did have Robert Parrish and he did have some old heads. But those are the two guys. Everybody else had to kind of go through this process of finding ways to lose games that they could win before finding ways to win games that they should have lost.

And once you kind of crack that code, like look at Drew Holliday. I now he's he's playing like a star player because he's he faked it till he made it and now he's made it and now you have the confidence of knowing that you can make plays at the end of the game you can make shots even when you shoot poorly through the first three quarters yeah and you know as you mentioned even with michael jordan like we saw in the last dance it took years and years and years of coming up short against those celtics that you talked about obviously the bad boys pistons before he ever came close to what people could consider the greatest player of all time.

So a little bit of patience potentially could go a long way. All right. From last night's game to a game coming up tonight, Doug, the Sixers are actually favored by two and a half in an initial, in potential elimination game against the heat. Now, there's a lot on the line except for the obvious, you know, ending this season. But maybe some questions about Doc if they come up short here. obviously what they plan on doing with James Harden and being eligible for an extension, Hardin who's only averaging about 19 a game in the postseason, 40% from the field.

Not to mention in the past, you've always been willing to overlook his defensive shortcomings because his offensive output was just so insane. Yeah, now you can't overlook it. You know, you can't overlook the fact that he doesn't look like one of those dudes. If you sign him to a supermax extension, you're signing your death warrant. You just are because you don't generally get better as you get older. It becomes a slightly lesser version. And when, you know, one game in five, you play like an elite player.

The next year, it's one game in six in the NBA playoffs. So, I mean, heck, I just saw Mari Stodemeyer on television talking about, you know, he wouldn't give him a max contract because of work ethic issues. Remember, Mari worked in Brooklyn with the Nets. and very rarely, very rarely, do you have former players, former coaches, whatever, come out and say those type of things? I think it's pretty obvious what the right answer is. Just the question is, do the Sixers have the lower intestinal fortitude to do it? It feels like the answer is no, because Hardin has been Darry's guy for, you know, I don't know, eight years now.

So, you know, the Ben Simmons thing, I don't necessarily know if that's addition by subtraction, but, you know, they gave up some assets to get him and they kind of feel handcuffed. And we'll wrap it up with this. A little interesting out of Pittsburgh. Jerry Doolock out of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette was taking fan questions, and he was asked, is there bad blood between the Steelers and Big Ben with how his career ended? And Jerry Doolock said, I would say it's very, very safe to assume that. Interesting.

That there's bad blood between, from, from whose side? The Steelers or from Big Ben's side? He did not elaborate beyond that, but there's apparently some lingering. I don't see Big Ben as someone who could be difficult to deal with at the end of his career. No, no, no, no. No, that could have been. I mean, like, look, I'll tell you what I heard from Pittsburgh is that Big Ben did not want it. You know, he spent time in his, he actually has a, like a hideaway lot.

locker room for just him, and that's where he hang out and read his hunting magazines, and he never wanted to turn his back to the defense on play action. That's why they were always in the gun. And that's Ryan Music with the News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lie News. You know, there's a lot of talk about what to do with the Lakers.

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