The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - New Blazing 5 picks, Urban Meyer joins The Herd

Episode Date: January 9, 2026

Colin shares his favorite bets for the Wild Card Round of the NFL playoffs including: - Rams at Panthers - Packers at Bears - Bills at Jaguars - 49ers at Eagles   Plus, 3-time National Champion Urban Meyer joins the show to tell Colin why they should have called Pass Interference on the final play of Miami v Ole Miss.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Here we go, hour two. It's a Friday. Urban Meyer in five minutes. He used to coach in the SEC, formerly known as the dominating college football conference. I don't know, Jay Mack.

It looks like the Mountain West with bigger stadiums. That's what I see. Wow. Well, I mean, I said this earlier. When you, I'll show it to Urban. That one run play where they're pushing Ole Miss back 10 yards,

nobody did that to the SEC four years ago. Nick Saban, there's a reason Nick Saban could have coached and left for television. He saw it coming. If you took Texas and Texas A&M out of the SEC, the Texas oil money, what would this conference be then? They can't compete getting the top recruits. Oil money, you can compete. I don't think people understand the gravity of where this is headed and how fast it's happening, Colin.

It is happening. No SEC team. Against, go look at their last couple years in the bowl game. So where are we in three years? I mean, are we going to have like a Minnesota or some wacky Big Ten middle team? Depends on who the boosters are. Exactly. I mean, Mark Cuban wrote a massive eight-figure check to Indiana this week.

Where was Indiana three years ago? Nobody knows. Bottom of the Big Ten, nobody cared about it. They're now... For 50, 60 years. I don't... As long as Signetti's there and the money's rolling in, they're not going anywhere. Of course.

For the record, Bloomington's an awesome college town. So it's an easy place. I've known several parents whose kids went there. They all love it. So it's like a fun campus. It's a neat place to go to college. If I said better projection next five years, Indiana or Auburn. It's not even close, but people don't understand that.

Like in the SEC, they don't grasp where we're headed. Oregon right now is a better college football program than anybody in the SEC. They were not. They would have been like third four years ago. Oregon's absolutely got better players. a better booster. Again, LSU's biggest booster is a personal injury attorney. I'm sorry. The biggest Georgia booster, who rest in peace, the gentleman had passed away.

It was kind of a bourbon whiskey distributor. Those are great boosters. Can't be your number one in the NIL era. No. It can't be a car dealer. It's got a car maker. Texas Tech's got oil money. Texas Tech has a better future next five years.

Texas Tech has a billionaire. Yes. Texas Tech is Indiana without Indiana's coach. The Signetis just. made it all work. All right, Blazing Five time. What a regular season we had 60% best year in a while. I like my picks. Let's start our Blazing Five postseason edition. Let's blaze it up. Fire it up. It's Collins Blazing Fire. Rams and Panthers. Rams minus 10 and a half is the side. They had an NFL eight wins by 14 plus points this season.

No team had that many big blowout wins. Number one offense. number one scoring offense. They just lost to this team. That is momentum. That is motivation. They're 12 and 2 in games in which they have one or fewer turnovers. So if they can cut the turnovers down and Stabord hasn't had a lot of bad games this year, they're going to win the game.

The question is by how much. The Panthers are the only team to make the playoffs with a negative point differential. Bryce Young has struggled this season against good teams. Passer rating is 70 against playoff teams. Rams win it. Rams cover. Final score. 33 to 20. Packers and Bears. I like the Bears at home. Lousy weather plus one and a half. Bears have the number three rush offense. Don't turn the ball over. Better O-line, better run game. Lousy weather. Forget vertical passing. I like the bears. Their offensive line, I think it's way better than people get. PFF has it at number three. They've won two of the last three games against Green Bay. Caleb Williams, five TDs, and the pick and that pick was end zone late in the game trying to make a play the packers are in a four-game losing streak heading into the playoffs they've lost for their last five playoff games

30th ranked total defense since micha parsons has left i'm sorry it's not the same defense Caleb's going to be comfortable with a better run game i like the bears take the points to win 27 24 bills at jaguars I like the Jags plus one and a half. They're 4-1 all-time in home playoff games. Eight and O since week 11 and have outscored teams by almost three touchdowns. There are 8-0 against the spread in their last eight games. Mind me of that Carolina team with Cam Newton, they just got hot.

And you're like, get out of the way. I get out of the way of this team. Defense is held opponents under 20 points or fewer in six straight games. And Trevor Lawrence in his last six games on an absolute heater. The Bills have trailed in the second half seven in the last 10 games. That is no way to beat good teams on the road. They cannot stop the run. The Bills have the worst run defense of every playoff team.

I like the Jags to win. Superman or not at quarterback for Buffalo, 30 to 27 JVill. 49ers at Eagles. Listen, I'm going to go Eagles minus five and a half. I worry about Piersall and Trent Williams. They do have the number one red zone offense. So they get sevens, not threes. They also have one turnover in the last three games.

So they're, you know, they've won three straight games. I do think they run the ball a little better recently. Saquan Barkley last four games. It's got 400 rushing yards. They're at home. They're the better team to the healthier team. Listen, the Niners against Vic Fangio. J-Mack talked about it earlier this week.

The Niners in Shanahan against Vic Fangio averaged 12 points a game. struggle against him. And they're too dependent on Christian McCaffrey. The defense has the few with sacks in the league. Jalen Hertz is comfortable at home, better roster, healthier roster. I'm going to take the Eagles to win and the Eagles to cover 28 to 20. Oregon versus Indiana. I like Indiana minus three and a half.

I don't think that game at Otson was a score close as the score indicated. Indiana's coming off back-to-back wins where they hammered Alabama and they beat Ohio State. Three and O against top 10 opponents this year. I'd argue Indiana plays better against better teams. They crushed a good Illinois team. They hammered Oregon at Outson. They, you know, they pushed around Ohio State. Did they not? Committed fewer turnovers of any power four team this season. Eight giveaways. They don't make mistakes. The quarterback's probably the best player in college football. And Oregon, their defense has gotten a little leaky defending the run in two of their last three games. Oregon's a very good team.

I just don't think they're built to beat an Indiana team that is this efficient, this well coach, doesn't turn the ball over. I think Indiana wins. I think Indiana covers. I think it's a really competitive game with the two best college quarterbacks. Indiana 33, Oregon 28. So, you know, I'm going to pass on New England Chargers. I'm going to pass on the Steelers, Texans, because the number now is only three. That was going to be my fifth bet.

I'm going to take the Hoosiers. I got dogs, jags and bears. I got favorites, Indiana Eagles and the Rams. J. Mack, any opinion? Loving the Rams pick. We'll talk Packers Bears in the final segment of the show. I like the Eagles pick. Based on what we saw last night, Colin, we were moments away from Ole Miss being in the Natty.

I don't feel great about this Indiana Oregon game. Honestly, I have no. It could go either way. It feels like a coin flip, does it not? Not to me, but I think it's going. Oregon, to me, has an argument as the second best team. How many of these rematches have we seen that have gone the other way? That's true.

And I know that's like a silly handicapping thing, but the motivation factor, maybe Irving to talk about it. But like, Oregon, you know they're going to be fired up for revenge after losing it home to Indiana. Urban Meyer now, Fox Sports, joining us live, 17 years, three national championships. Let's talk about that, about facing a team for the second time. do it in the NFL all the time you don't do it in college much how much of an advantage is it for the oregon ducks hi Colin i've done it one time as an assistant coach i don't think there's any bearing you know i don't think that uh other than comfort and knowing the personnel you know other than that i don't i don't see that i i hear people trying to make a big deal of that can

you beat them twice in year this is a new game new season for these two teams everything's on the line i'm actually staying at the oregon hotel right now and this is is a this is a fired up outfit now i love their coaching staff and uh but i'll tell you there's hoosier this is Atlanta has become Indiana central i've never seen so many damn indiana fans everywhere man wow you know it's interesting um bellichick in his prime the patriots didn't fumble Indiana doesn't fumble they don't drop passes how do you explain that i mean your teams were well coached it's it's crazy how do you how do you not fumble is it just something you do every day in practice and commit to? Yeah, and I watch, you don't fumble because

first of all, the players have bought into the culture of the program. Watch the tailbacks any time or receiver, any time they're going through traffic, you see the right hand come right over the ball. Every, not partial all the time. I'm going to say this, Colin, about Indiana. We've been covering them a lot of big new kickoff. When they beat Nebraska last year, I walked outside of the green room. I said, I've got to watch this because Indiana, the Indiana I know never look looked or played like this. And so I'm going to go watch this close. I don't know if I off the top of my head can think of a mistake they made.

I know they got out talented a couple of times last year and lost some games, but I don't see the finer points of coaching, for example, perimeter blocking on offense, the tailback picking up blitz protection. You just talked about it. Turnovers. Then on defense, run fits, disengaging blocks and blown coverages, I'd like to see a videotapeer when I, I've seen that. You don't see that.

Yeah. And that, to me, that is players, obviously coaches get credit players buying in to what these coordinators and the head coach are teaching. It's awesome to watch. Oh, there's so much fun. Listen, I would have, I'd be happy if anybody won this Natty. I just, I'm having so much fun this year with college football. I want to talk about last night. I said this. Mario Cristobal, a team becomes the personality of their coach. Mario is big and aggressive and physical and a big person. personality, and Miami is not the most efficient team, drop passes, penalties, but they play with such ferocity and such confidence.

They feel a little bit, a little bit of like a pro team. And so my concern with Miami, Urban, is they let other less talented teams back into games. But in terms of speed, size, aggressiveness, like as a former coach, when you watch them, what do you you see that you like and that would concern you? I think Miami's a problem. And what I mean by a problem, a problem for the other teams. What's really fun to watch as a former coach is that it's almost the physical teams are separating themselves right now.

You know, the past happy, the other type of offenses, the other type of teams are starting to disappear. A matter of fact, they're disappearing. Teams that control the line of scrimmage, play grahammed, defense and are tough as hell, they're the ones that are winning games. And I personally love that. I love the fact that Miami is

just that one play where the tailback got hit the offense line in the entire, they got eight to 10 yards post contact and you saw their head coach on the sideline. I mean, I love that kind of football. I think, I don't think. I think Miami's a problem.

And here's the problem for the opponents. It's hard to score in Miami. And now, Carson is playing like the Carson Beck that everybody talked about for the last four years that, because he has all the talent. Now he's taking care of the ball. He's making some great throws. Miami is a problem for whoever wins this game tonight, Indiana and Oregon.

Listen, I said this. It was like the SEC won like 13 natties in 15 or 16 or something years, and you could see the gap in talent. Right. It is noticeable. I use that play you talked about, Coach. I said that play, that run play, I'm sitting with J-MAC here and I said, this did not happen four years ago to any SEC team, maybe Vandy.

I said, this is now happening to Ole Miss. I saw it happen to LSU. I saw it happen to Alabama. Like, I'm sorry, but the quality of SEC defenses, it's just not the same. Urban, it doesn't look the same on television. George's is good, but can't, I mean, in, I mean, let's be honest. Trinidad Chambliss did whatever he wanted to in the last 10 minutes of that game. You're seeing it, I'm seeing it.

I think Nick Saban figured it out and got out of there. When you see it, it doesn't look like it looked three years ago, does it? No, and I'm trying to find out why. You know, I've asked this and I've talked to a coach. I'm not going to say his name because it's not fair to him, who played an SEC team recently. And whenever you're playing that SEC team, all you do is you study the SEC because every film you watch is the previous 10 games against SEC opponents.

And he made a comment to me exactly what you said. It's not the same. You don't have that same fear factor. When you said the words, SEC, the first thing you thought of is the defensive front seven, how in the heck are we going to block these guys? And now you're seeing teams get, I mean, Indiana, hammering Alabama. Illinois, hammering was a Tennessee.

And then who beat Vanderbilt, another big 10 team? Wake Forest. Iowa. I think Iowa B hammered Vanderbilt. Hammered Vanderbilt. And that tells you whatever's happened,

I wish I had an explanation. I've been thinking about this thing for the last few weeks because I lived at both. I lived in the SEC where you got sick on Sundays watching who you're going to play because how are you going to block them

and then I coached early in the Big Ten and you didn't feel that way at all because quite honestly it wasn't hard. It's hard now. Yeah, it's crazy. So a story happened this week, and it just, I didn't like it. It's been resolved where Washington's quarterback, Damon Williams, signed and said, I want to enter the portal, and then his agent dropped it and said, we're not.

And my thing is, Urban, I give my kids occasional cake. They don't get it for breakfast. You've got to have rules and guidelines. If you're a company, a parent, a relationship, there's guidelines for everything. That really bothered me that you. you could sign a contract. Hell, if you sign a contract in pro football, you can't get out of it. What did coaches make of that? Now, apparently, he's recommitted to Washington, but that felt like a tipping point moment. How did it land for you? That's the worst thing I've heard in the last

10 years of the game. And when I started reading up on it, I know the AD very well, I've not reached out yet at some point I will. Pat Chun, it was sickening to me that, and I don't know the, you know, I don't know the Bond Williams Jr. at all. But I know when I read and I don't know how and I saw Coach Fish's statement the AD statement how we're going to try to heal the locker room which I guess I'm so old school I don't know how you heal that you just turned your back on a locker room so I hope it does but that's the most disturbing thing I've heard and I also heard this from colleagues I just like I'm the punching bag calling I get about 10 calls a week from former colleagues of mine and all they do is scream and yell at me about

can you believe this is happening and they're telling me stories and And something's got to happen. There's got to be some kind of regulation and for the good of the game and good of these players. And yet the product on the field, Collins, unbelievable. But when I heard that, I have a hard time getting over what I read. Oh, I want to go back one final thing. So I'll give you my analogy before we get to it.

That when you and I get on the road to drive, there's a speed limit. But you and I know there's nuance. And if it's 55 and urban, you go 50s. 58, you're not getting a ticket. You also know that judges in our judicial system can be arbitrary. If you come in with a smart aleck grin on your face and you're a wiseacre and there was a real serious crime, the judge can give you a longer sentence because they don't like you. So life is nuanced and gray.

It's not all black and white. I would not call a pass interference on Miami in the end zone. You don't call them on hail, Mary's in the NFL. In the NBA finals, you don't want a championship decided at the free throw line. You got a really foul a player. So I didn't think it should be pass interference. We can show the play again. I thought if it was in the second quarter, you may get that call.

I don't think you get that in the final throw. Did it bother you? Oh, it does bother me because if it's a foul, it's a foul. But I agree, I don't think you make that call. You know, it has to be so flagrant that you, you know, you make that call. But as we're watching it here, you know, I, Godgone it. Put his left hands all over, I'm calling.

Oh, yeah, I know. Doggone it. You put me on a spot. You hate to have the official have a hand in the final play. For the record, it is interference. But is it past interference. I think you get the call

probably in the second quarter they would give you that call. The left hand is the only thing that bothers me right there. Well, yeah, it bothers everybody, I think, except Miami. Yeah, I mean, it's it. Again, I know everybody disagrees with me. They're like, that's past interference.

Yeah, I know it is. And I also know that Michael Jordan pushed off in the NBA finals. I know he pushed off. You get it in the second quarter. Now, my take is if he was grabbing the face mask or you have to call it. Like right there, you're like, oh, that's probably. Oh, gosh, Colin. So you're saying no, don't call it.

I've watched Hail Mary's in the NFL. All they're doing is banging into each other and boxing each other out. And it's like we're not, we're not. But I feel like when you grab the face mask, so you'd ruin the vision. But you can, I mean, Belichick was great at this. You know, Belichick, depending on the color of the jerseys, would have his guys wear like white gloves or darker gloves.

Because his takeaway is you get to the corners of end zones where it's not great, you know, they can't necessarily, officials don't have the greatest view, you would like a white glove and a white jersey. You're grabbing and pushing it. There's a lot of manipulation going on in the secondary. I mean, you see these targeting calls. I don't like those targeting calls at all.

I didn't think that Miami kids should have been thrown out. But I think at that time in the game, you do probably get thrown out. All right. I'm fighting you, Colin. Throw the flag, man. That's PI. Look at that. All right.

give people something to talk about throw the damn flag I didn't feel it that way last night because I didn't watch it 15 times in a row All right Irving's great seeing you Great senior Colin Yeah like listen

Ole Miss fans They're like Urban They're like ah come on that is I'm not saying it's not interference I'm saying I wouldn't call it then It's all my you ever notice this In the morning during rush hour traffic.

Nobody's getting a speeding ticket. At two in the afternoon in your town, when nobody's on the freeway, you give a speeding ticket for the same speed. You're not going to jam up all the traffic. In morning traffic, everybody's going to work for a guy, even if they're going 15 miles out. You're not screwing up Atlanta traffic.

Right? You're not. But at two in the afternoon, if somebody's doing that, then as a cop, you pull them over, you're saying, bro, can't bob and weave inside and outside of cars? Can you imagine the outrage if they had thrown a flag and Ole Miss scored on the next play?

That would have been more controversial than Miami, Ohio State, what, 20-some-odd years ago? Remember the past interference? Right. Yeah. You just can't throw the flag. I mean, if he blatantly tackled him, he was just holding him. That's going on everywhere. Come on.

Yeah, I think it's. I did like Urban. Fine. After 15 views, I changed my mind. It was just deliriously fun. I'll say this. I thought Miami was the best team. I thought they should have won convincingly.

But the game ended up at the end kind of looking like Ole Miss games, where it's just Trinidad Chamliss out there slinging it. You think he could be a pro, or is he just a really good college team? I would draft him like fifth, six. I would draft him in the fifth round if he was available. I just want him on my roster. I think he's a great kid. I like his spirit.

I like his movement. I think he has a, I don't think he has a good enough arm. I just think that kid I'd like in my locker room. Could he be like your number two quarterback, like a smaller Malik Willis backup? Yeah, if I said to you, Tyrod Taylor with way better mobility. Like you're getting a grown-up, and every time you listen to the kid, he's a grown-up, he's a team guy, he's a wonderful guy, I think he plays on Sunday. And oh, by the way, he carried Ferris State to a national championship and then goes to Ole Miss and nearly takes them to the national chip. Sometimes you can't overthink the room.

When you watch the ball come out of his hands, when you watch it, it's got a lot of, it's got some juice on it. He just makes plays, man. makes a bunch of plays. I know that sounds goofy, but like that's just true else. And I also think there's value in this. He seems like a great kid. I like his story. Yeah.

He had to endure fairest state. I mean, Ferris state, like in Michigan, you go to Michigan or Michigan State or central Michigan or western Michigan. And when you run out of options, you go to, you go there. Nobody wanted this guy coming out of high school. That just seems to me when I watch him. The mobility is obvious.

The ball seems to come out like fast. There's a real energy to his ball. And so I draft him. It's the herd. One more herd. The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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How long have I been on the show now? Three years, maybe, two, three, four? I don't think we've ever talked about the Jacksonville Jaguars this much. That's how much they've turned it around. Liam Cohen, Trevor Lawrence. I mean, we're at the point now where Tom Brady is talking about the Jacksonville Jaguars here on the show. Tom's talked about Cohen's influence on Trevor Lawrence. Liam's done a great job. Even when he was at Tampa last year,

he has a couple opportunities to, you know, really kind of take the skill sets that he's learned from other coaches that he's been around and then morph them into a system where they have a lot of good skill, players and Trevor is, you know, coach has got to get the players a lot of layups. Good OCs get their quarterback's layups. You don't have to thread the needle on every single throw. You got guys that are wide open. Great. There's a big margin of air on a big portion of the passes. That's the goal of an offensive coordinator. And that's what he's done. He's, he's created clarity and an ease. And Trevor Lawrence has delivered on that. It's, it's, it's, you can't make every throw difficult.

You got to have, we talked about this with Mahomes when he came into the league. He'd give you three great plays like MJ a game, but mostly it was him hitting nine-yard drags and sideline stuff and bubble screens and getting all those down. Herbert's like that. Herbert doesn't miss the layoffs. You can ask your quarterback about four to five times to make a great throw. And those, if you have the right protection, you can make those. Can't ask them to make 12 of those.

So two questions. Number one, the fact that Travis Hunter, you know, he, he, he, he, he, you know, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, He had an okay rookie year. I mean, can we even call it okay? But the fact that he got hurt, they add Jacoby Myers, and the offense took off like a rocket ship. Does that say anything to you about... Well, Jacoby Myers is a pro.

He can walk into any locker room, and he knows the playbook in two weeks. He can't ask rookies to do that. Right. So I think it added a big time grown-out. Jacobi Myers, it's remarkable. He was in New England. He was their best receiver. They let him go.

He goes to the Raiders. He's their best receiver. They let him go. Yeah. And by the way, what's the Raider offense after they let him go? What was the Patriots offense after they let him go? Like, I don't know why this guy keeps bouncing around the league. Everywhere he goes, he's an asset.

Yeah. I don't get it. The other aspect, so the defensive coordinator of the Jags, Anthony Campaniel, I know he doesn't get a lot of pub. So I covered high school sports in Jersey. This guy was a legend. Ended up going to Rutgers. And he is really doing some things with this Jags defense.

I know people aren't talking about it, but I'm going to go ahead and guess. If Josh Allen is shut down and the bills get held to like 13, 14. I think this guy's going to get some interviews for head coaching jobs. And he was a high school coach in Jersey? He was a high school player, then a coach. And then, I mean, this guy has done some things to this defense. They play a lot of zone.

And the bills don't have a lot of zone beaters. They got like Keon Coleman, Palmer from the Chargers. They're just straight line man, guys. I'm starting to hear some, could the Jags blow them out? And at that point, then McDermott's probably toast. we've discussed this. The line does not make sense. Something's out. Something's going on. This is fascinating. If Buffalo and Josh Allen had been his dominating the last six weeks and this game was in Buffalo, they would be like a seven to nine point favorite. Yeah. Favorite. Jacksonville isn't even a favorite and they've been playing like this. It's like, guys, the helmets aren't playing the people are.

You remember when the Chiefs played the Jags on Monday Night Football and then Devin Lloyd had like the 99-yard pick six? A lot of people were like, oh, well, you know, that flea, that flea. the game and Chief should have won that. I thought the Jags were the better. We talked about this. Go to the Denver game. They smashed game. Go to the Charger game. That was 356, by the way. The worst, like Harbaugh doesn't get beat like that often. Playoff game last year when everybody was hurt in Jacksonville.

Be careful, Buffalo on this one. Next story. Let's go to the dolphins firing up Mike McDaniel earlier this week. A lot of people are connecting him with the Cleveland Browns opening. But a new report indicates the Lions desperately want him to be the... their offensive coordinator. Yes. Dan Campbell took over play calling late in the season because Morton was not good. Then they dumped Morton recently.

You could make an argument if they land McDaniel. That's the best coordinator hire because that would fit Jared Goff, Gibbs, and company. Dan Campbell, hire Mike McDaniel. This is one of those layups. Go hire Mike McDaniel as your coordinator. Yeah, this is exactly what he should do. Because in Miami, he could never get the O. line in the quarterback to his

loving. Now he gets Gough and a great O line. So Mike McDaniel made two up Pro Bowl or made the playoffs with a bad O line. Now he gets a great O line potentially and a veteran quarterback who throws, golf throws a much better deep ball. And remember Leporta was hurt

the end of the season, missed a bunch of games. I'll tell you right now. What did Detroit go this year? Eight and nine? Nine and eight maybe? I'll tell you right now. McDaniel goes to the Lions. That's back to that 13 5, 13 They got a lot of pieces on offense. The defense leaves some things to be desired.

Let me ask, though. McDaniel obviously would fit in and seamlessly. Should he aim for a head coaching job? He's not going to get a head coaching job. Cliff Kingsbury is not a head coach. Eight jobs, Colin. We've got to find eight head coaches. You will.

I mean, you got Harbos, DeFansky, and Mike McCarthy, all proven head coaches. So of those eight jobs, you're down to five. Also, Brian Flores probably has a chance to get I think the lawsuit against the league is still pending. We'll see. If I go, if I'm McDaniel, I walk in ahead coaching interviews, guys, I got

this Dolphins mess with my GM who got fired and couldn't hit a draft pick to save his life. I get them to the playoffs twice with Tua who nobody wants. Why isn't Brian Daibel being mentioned? That's a good question. If you told me tomorrow Brian Daibble gets the Atlanta

Falcons job, I'd be like, oh, I think they'll win the division. I haven't heard his name mentioned anywhere. That's very strange. Yeah, why isn't Brian Daible won a playoff game with Daniel Jones? Do you think he would instantly be a candidate for Buffalo? Remember he was the OC there for Josh Allen?

Maybe. Maybe I think that'd be a great show. I mean, Daible's good. I like Daible. All right, final story, Colin. Drop mock draft 1.0 yesterday. Got my guy Mendoza up top, obviously. Dante Moore to my Jets. And, you know, some people obviously unhappy

as mock drafts come out. Wait, we wouldn't take that guy. I'm heavy on the offensive line. We've seen the issue in the trenches around the lead. Chiefs lose their offensive line. Oh, is this yours? It's over. Let me look at this.

Let me look at this. So don't freak out. You have Dante Moore coming out. I mean, a lot of people do. I got two quarterbacks in the top 10. That's it. Ty Simpson a little further down. Bain, by the way, last night was super quiet.

He had, I think, one pressure in the game, but he's still elite. The guy that is interesting to me, Carnell Tate from Ohio State, if he goes to Jaden, Jane Daniels and Terry McClureen, that's an instant offense in Washington. They don't have an O.C. right now. What do you think about Caleb Downs, the Ohio State Stud?

Have him 10 to the Bengals. Here's the problem with Downs. We're seeing a lot of NFL teams utilize safeties in different ways now around the league. I wonder if Downs moves up higher into the top 10. So I'm going to name the conference your top 15 players. Oh, here we go. Big 10, Big 10, ACC, ACC, ACC, Big 12, SEC, Big 10, Big 10, Big 10, Big 10,

ACC, SEC, Notre Dame. Not a lot of SEC in there. And I think Caden Green feels like... A bit of a reach? Not that it's a bad by you, but I'm saying he could easily not go in this space. So wasn't there a year where there were like 10 SEC guys in the first round? I noticed it this year watching Georgia's defense. I was just like, oh, you can move the ball in Georgia.

You could not move the ball in Georgia four years ago. Nobody could. Jeremiah, love, a little low to Baltimore. I think there's a soft reset with the Ravens. Let me tell you something. If the Giants get Spencer Fano out of Utah, you just found a 10-year right tackle between Tom and also. Also, see, I would do this.

I'm not a big fan of drafting wide receivers high. what the you bring Fano in it right tackle and then if Andrew Thomas who has a history getting banged up is out you move Fano over the Giants have to draft the tackle

second pick should be a tight end Well they got Theo Johnson and Bellinger are serviceable you know neighbors the wide receiver This offense Daniel Jeremiah convinced me of this This offense is about to take off with Jackson Dart

They've got guys when they're healthy next year The defense leaves a little something to be desired That's fun I need more wide receivers up there. That was the biggest argument. Where did you drop this? Where is your mock draft at?

On Instagram. On IG. You don't follow me there yet still, do you? I don't go to Instagram a lot. You're more of a TikTok guy now? I like TikTok. I go, I read. Books?

Occasionally. Occasionally I'll go on X because I put my podcast on there. You need to just pull the pin on a grenade, throw it on X, and then leave for five hours. That's the strategy. Joe Rogan style. Yeah. Just put in a hot take and then. leave and let all the

the fish just argue over it and just That's quite a strategy J-Mac with the news Well, that's the news And thanks for stopping by The Herd Lie News Be sure to catch live editions of the herd Weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific

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it'd be one and two in the draft, put them in any order you want. I like Mendo's a little bit more, but they're both really good. Good kids, good, good quarterbacks, both can move, more moves a little better. But when you watch Indiana, really good coaching just jumps off the TV.

They just don't make any mistakes. They haven't had an errand snap all year. Not one. Fewest drop passes, best in the red zone. they haven't had a fumble since the 18th play of the season. It's just now some of it is the age of their team. They're just an older, more mature team. They really push the ball down the field.

They throw the ball deep down the field. So Mendoza is a real key here. Signetti's done a remarkable job, but they were good last year, but they weren't special. Here's Urban on what he sees with their coaching. You don't fumble because, the first of all, the players have bought into the culture of the program. Watch the tailbacks any time or a receiver, any time they're going through traffic,

you see the right hand come right over the ball. Not partial all the time. I don't know if I off the top of my head can think of a mistake they made. Yeah, they just don't. I like Indiana. I think it's pretty close tonight. All right, let's put up the weekends playoff matchups. There is one game we all sort of agree with,

Rams probably beat the Panthers. You know, they played before Matt Stafford did not play particularly well. So that game on Fox, I think the Rams win. Again, a lot of Ram wins are, they're an interesting team. They'll have these three series stretches where they stall and they're three and out. And I don't love their special teams. I mean, if they gave up a kickoff for a touchdown and missed two field goals and they ended up winning by just a touchdown but dominated,

I mean, if it looks a little bit like Miami Ole Miss last night, like how is this game close? I could see that, but I still think they would win. Green Bay and the Bears, everybody's all over the map on that one. You know, it's the third time they've played. Tom Brady talked about that yesterday. This is what you love about it. These two teams know each other so well.

Guys are coming out of, you know, some unheralded receivers from the Bears have made some plays late in these games. So it is a super tight matchup for this game. This is one of the most intriguing games of the weekend. I can't wait to see how both teams played. And look, they know each other so well. So now it really does come down to the fundamentals. Yeah, it comes down to turnovers. So go back to the board again, looking at the games. So the weekend starts with a dominating team heavily favored. Then it goes into teams playing for the third time. Then it goes into, Sunday early, a wild potential Bill's Jaguars game. The Bills have the best player.

The Jags have the hottest team. Then you go into kind of an iconic Niners at the Eagles where it's really about health in the 49ers. If they're healthy, they can beat anybody. Chargers, Patriots, where you have two quarterbacks who kind of, one, Herbert feels like the East Coast version, you know, of Drake May and vice versa. then Monday you've got a Texans team that doesn't score much, but has the best defense against the Steelers and 42-year-old Aaron Rogers. So what I like about the weekend, you're getting a variety of games. You're getting first playoff game guy. You're getting wonky, weird

jaguar franchise with a chance to upend the Buffalo Bills franchise with a win. J. Mack, one hour from now has his picks. If I took the Rams, let's just say, don't give away your picks. But if I said to you, there's a crazy headline after the weekend. Like there's a headline you're like, because you know what's going to happen. Wildcard weekend, there's going to be a weird, weird moment. Jaguars 310, Bills fire their coach and the headlines are, boy, all the highest paid quarterbacks, the superstar quarterbacks are out, either miss the playoffs or they lose in the first round, what do we do about paying franchise quarterbacks and the money?

Because Lamar, remember, he's not happy with his deal. He wants a new one. He's got a $74 million cap hit next year. I just, I don't know if it's sustainable. You look at that Chiefs roster? I know we got some Chiefs fans at the network. It's terrible. It's not a top 20 roster in the league.

You just don't have dudes. Look at the Bill's defense. There's nobody. So if you look at who's in here, it is, and this includes Bo Nix and Sam Darnold next weekend. That's, yeah. It's either quarterbacks on. rookie deals or quarterbacks with reasonably team-friendly deals.

Sam Darnold, pretty team-friendly. Brock Pretty, pretty, pretty team-friendly. Justin Herbert's viewed as pretty team-friendly. Jalen Hertz. Josh Allen's is not team-friendly. No, it's Josh Allen makes a lot of money. Aaron Rogers, by the way, team-friendly deal. It feels like a new era.

And it's weird because in college football, there's this new era with the NIL. I feel like the NFL is going through a bit of a sea change right now with the way teams are built. I don't, it's unsustainable. Well, Tom Brady was never the highest paid quarterback. Never once. That's a great stat, yeah. Never. Tom Brady was never the highest paid quarterback. So you have to make decisions.

Yeah, I mean, I mean, Stafford is the biggest cap hit playing this weekend after Josh Allen. The other one, and listen, you know we love him. If Justin Herbert loses, he will then fall to Owen. three in the playoffs. Remember, Dan Marino, or Peyton Manning famously could not want a playoff game to save his life early. But I do think if the Chargers lose and Herbert's not great, oh, Justin Herbert, he's not that good, can't want a playoff game. Watch for that narrative to emerge. I think the Chargers are going to be fine, but... The fact that Chargers went 11 and 6 with the lowest rated offensive line in the league,

it's not like it's good against... It's not good in pass protection. It's 32 and 31. It's no team since PFF has started ranking O lines has ever won a playoff game with an offensive line as bad as the L.A. Chargers. By the way, if the Chargers win that game, they will then go to Denver next week. Think about this. Yeah, okay. They beat Denver once and the rematch last week they played all backups, and it was nip and tuck. Denver couldn't score with their starter. Bo Nix, who's watching on TV this weekend, his cap hit is set. 7% of Josh Allen's cap hit. Well, why is Denver's roster so good?

Yeah. There you go. Who's got the, you know, I mean, Denver's O-line, Denver's D-line, Denver's secondary. You know? All right. Last hour of the week coming up. And maybe we just saved Beth for laugh. Why not?

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