The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - New Herd Hierarchy, the Chiefs are not there yet, thoughts on Jim Harbaugh, Nick Wright

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Colin delivers his updated Herd Hierarchy following week 3 of the NFL season — and for the second consecutive week, Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs are not on the list Nick Wright from "First Things First" stops by The Herd to comment on Colin's new Herd Hierarchy, Jim Harbaugh, the Ravens, and more  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Just outstanding. Good college football weekend, J. Mack? Very good college football weekend. The Oregon Penn State game. That is big boy football right there, man. A lot of good games. I mean, if Alabama loses, like, where do they go from here? You know, they got a tough game.

I mean, Saturday is really loaded. Oh, my goodness. All right. I've had a dilemma last couple of weeks. What do I do with the Kansas City Chiefs? So last week I had them at number 10. Where do I have them now? Here we go.

Heard hierarchy. Time is now, let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college. Number 10. I'm going to put Baltimore at 10, the Chiefs, despite a winner, 11. Why? Because Baltimore is a road favorite. Baltimore is the better offensive team.

and like the NBA, the NFL is an offensive league first. They're scoring 37 a game. The problem is their defense is basically the Dallas Cowboys without the star on the helmet. They got bullied for three and a half hours, and they spent money on it. Five of their six highest paid players are on defense, so they've got a little bit of a dilemma,

and they score so quickly that they always just send that bad defense back out on the field. I'm going to put them at 10 Chiefs of 11. Number nine. The Bucks. Now, their schedule gets tougher. The fact that they have to go to the whistle to beat the Falcons and the Jets does not feel great coming up now with the Eagles and the Seahawks, the Lions, the Niners coming up. They've been doing it, though, missing three offensive linemen and Chris Godwin.

Baker Mayfield, like a Sam Darnold, has established himself as a legit franchise quarterback. 11 straight games with 100 plus rushing yards. That is hard to do in this league, especially when you're missing. Many top offensive linemen, I have the bucks at nine. Number eight. The Niners at eight, maybe it's a bit high. Mack Jones is the current starter.

Now, Bosa is gone for the year. Listen, Ricky Piersall has emerged as a really nice weapon. Two of their wins, though, are against the Cardinals. at home and the Saints, and they don't have a buy until week 14. This team could use a buy now. But the coach, the quality of offense, McCaffrey, Piersall, Kittles coming back, I put him at eight. Number seven.

Here's what we learn about the Lions. If you have new coordinators, don't count the preseason. The Hall of Fame game are week one. Since then, 900 total yards. Last night was not as close as the score indicated. Jamir Gibbs and David Montgomery are an unbelievable running back tandem. 11th career game, they both scored a rushing touchdown. Aidan hushes in and that defensive front gobbled up Lamar Jackson.

They are 12 and 2 in primetime games beating the best Monday night quarterback ever last night Lamar Jackson Lions at 7. Number 6. Boy, I think the Seahawks are a handful. Kenneth Walker, highest-rated running backs. Sam Darnold, PFF, highest-readed quarterback. And it does look like JSN is a number one receiver, but it's the defense that makes them the second best point differential in the league.

They have held all three opponents to 17 points or fewer, and a lot of credit goes to John Snyder, the GM, who has had back to back to back, very good drafts. They're not even pan a lot of these top defensive guys, Seahawks at six. Number five. Listen, the Rams can't do. beat the Eagles. One in six, Sean McVeigh against the Eagles. They win 75% of their other games. Their defense is young, inexpensive, and excellent. Most sacks in the NFL. Offense scored on

six straight drives to take a huge lead against the Eagles. They've got weapons at tight end, wide receiver, Devonte Adams. People aren't talking about it enough. He's just going to keep getting better, but they don't match up with Philadelphia because they've got no corner big enough to stop AJ Brown. Number four. The Chargers. Great red zone defense. So when you can drive against them,

they are the stingiest red zone defense in the league. Amarian Hampton looks like he's going to be a real deal. Keenan Allen, does this guy ever age? Number two passing offense, they're asking more of Justin Herbert. Now, he's getting hit way too much. But Quentin Johnson doesn't appear to be a bust. He's emerged as a big-time downfield threat. I like their culture and their toughness,

Chargers at four. Number three. Packers, listen. Fewest yards per play allowed Green Bay. It's one of my favorite stats in the league. They don't allow you any yards. They've held all three opponents in 2025 in the NFL, under 250 total yards.

Jordan Love, it's his first pick in a regular season game in 10 games. It was a stinker. They came in flat. They had extra days off, and Cleveland's got an excellent defense. One of the things that worries me, they're not running the football as well as they should, but I think the Packers still have a chance to hoist a Lombardi.

Number two. Buffalo, it's almost crazy. 25 straight games they've won the turnover battle. Right now, over the last 12 to 15 games, Josh Allen's doing something that's hard to do. You get all the upside and literally no turnovers. They have the best Super Bowl odds. I don't love their defense on the back end. but I don't like the Ravens defense anywhere.

I have Buffalo at number two. Number one. They have really bad halves like this past weekend, but it is the best roster in the league. They could probably at the trade deadline, go and get another corner. But, you know, Nick Seriani, I didn't get it, but the team does.

And Jalen Hertz may be a little small, but he throws well up the sideline, toughness and leadership, best third and fourth down team in the league. league, best roster, most aggressive GM. Here is the herd hierarchy. I take the Ravens over Kansas City Chiefs at 11 due to the fact the Ravens are the road favorite and I think it's an offensive league and they've got an incredibly dynamic offense and with that Nick Wright joins me first things first live as he always does on Tuesday. All right. Um, yeah. What do you mean? Yeah, that's a

pretty solid top 10. Well, listen, I understand that the one in two Ravens who have made zero of the last six Super Bowls and one of the last seven AFC championship games deserve a benefit of the doubt over the one and two chiefs who have made five of the last six Super bowls and seven of the last seven AFC championship games because of their champion. Because listen, if we know anything about Baltimore, it's that. they play their best in the biggest spots in January and situationally they're just buttoned up. They would never blow a big lead or seem a little tight in a big game.

So that's how you earn this benefit of the doubt to make the hierarchy at one and two. I would ask you this, however, just not about Baltimore, about Kansas City just holistically. If you are a team with an all-time great quarterback, of which I think we can still agree, Baltimore and Kansas city both are. Yeah. Would you rather your big concern be on the offensive side of the ball where that all-time great quarterback can help fix it or the defensive side of the ball where that all-time great quarterback is sitting on the sideline helpless? I would rather have the issues be on offense because I feel like my quarterback can figure it out. If you're Baltimore, it is really concerning now that the defense for the first half of last year looked awful then it tightened up

this year the defense has looked really bad through two weeks they got bullied last night and Lamar can't fix that for you so I think listen I think the AFC you know I'm not worried about them missing the playoffs or anything like that but I do think that they might have some systemic problems on defense and I obviously don't trust them, you know, on offense come January, but that's just because I've watched the playoffs for the last decade. So I think the Ravens are a little overvalued. Okay, I will say in eight weeks. I think the Chiefs would beat the Ravens. I absolutely do. I think without worthy and Rishie Rice that I think your point is founded in absolute truth. In eight weeks, I think there are things in the last 20 Super Bowl teams, one lousy defense,

Atlanta, and they blew a fourth quarter lead. I've said this in baseball, can't win a World Series with a bad bullpen. You don't even have to have a great staff. The Royals won a World Series without a great staff. You cannot have a bad bullpen. You cannot be bad defensively. Today, this weekend, I think the Ravens

probably better in eight weeks. Rice worthy, they won't be to your point. Now, would you acknowledge, though? You don't show fear, but you have to be honest. Harbaugh, Herbert. Can you acknowledge that the Chargers have seized control of the AFC West for the foreseeable future? For the foreseeable future.

By foreseeable future, you mean like the next six or seven weeks? Sure. By the end of the year, let's see. Now, there's a lot to unpack here. One is, I apologize, I was getting dressed, so I didn't see the entirety of your Justin Herbert interview. I'm sure it was great. but did you apologize to him for you losing all faith in this team's ability to even make the playoffs due to the Rishon Slater injury? Did that come up at all?

That your love of Bo Nix? By the way, did Bo Nix get vetoed from conversation on it? He seems like a big preseason topic, not so much regular season. However, we have something much more important to discuss that I am going to surprise you with because I feel you might, for the first time in our wonderful relationship, owe me an apology. All right. Because you are getting a lot of seemingly deserved run,

even a little heat, for what appears to be a Colin Cowherd original scorching take about Jim Harbaugh and where he is in the coaching pantheon. Yeah. To which I would say, and this might be jarring to the audience, because you're about to see a shaved head, 31-year-old Nick Wright. Can we roll the tape of me from August of 2016 on your show filling in for you about Jim Harbaugh nine years ago?

Roll it, please. I think Jim Harbaugh is the best football coach in the world. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Bill Belichick. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Nick Sabin. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Urban Meyer. I would rather have Jim Harbaugh than Mike Tomlin. I think he is the best football coach there is. I mean, you're a decade late, buddy.

Everybody's like, oh, column it out on a limb. I did that in your seat nine years ago. Now, that was before Andy Reid became Andy Reid and kind of displaced him in my own brain. But still, we're in lockstep on Harbaugh, where you're not going to get any disagreement from me on that. I think he is, has shown his ability to win in any place, at any level, through any style is unique and he is almost one of one in that regard.

I think you are a little too high on the Chargers as a whole, simply because I think it is very rare in the NFL for you to win all of the big games, when you've never won any of the big game. So this feels to me like a super great step in the right direction year, maybe divisional round playoff appearance for the first time in Herbert's career year. But I'm not ready to say that I think they can go through the AFC, but they look awesome. Herbert's playing great. The defense is awesome and Harbaugh's a legend. So I agree with you in that regard. I also think the chiefs might be able to run them down when it's all said and done. My favorite part of that is you look so respectful and dignified, your hair was short, and now all of a sudden you got to get some ratings and he looks like...

This is not the ratings. I honestly, listen, I'm not, this is going to sound immodest, I don't mean it to. I just, it's more the money than the ratings. I've just, I'm just, I, I just, I, it was just, I just didn't, I didn't think I could pull off this look 10 years ago. Yeah, I'm a different man. By the way, this is right when the herd launched on FS1. We don't want to do a, you know, we both made some interesting hair choices in that era. We all remember. But go ahead. So I was saying this about Jalen Hertz.

You and I have been on this for years that size matters for quarterbacks. And everybody after Russell's like, Johnny Mansell and Bryce Young and Kyler and Tua, and it's like, guys, it matters. But I will say this. I said last week, I'm a quarterback trait elitist. I like him tall. I like big arms. I like mobility. I'm an elitist. And I was always with Jalen Hertz.

It's a little small. And I never knew what his great trait was. What's his superstar trait? He is the strongest quarterback pound-for-pound at league history. He may be the strongest player. And as I watched them in the second half against the Rams, a defense that is giving everybody fits, he is really unique.

He's also, despite his size, a great sideline thrower. He throws the ball up the sideline about as well as Mahomes. I mean, he's that good on the sidelines. But I was saying, I look at Philadelphia, and I've always been like, eh, the quarterback. I don't know. I think his strength is a superpower. So I think his intangibles and leadership are probably a superpower.

I think the strength obviously helps immensely, not just in what, called the tush push, but now branded Early Bird, because they false start every time. That's what their quarterback stinks called. Go ahead and call it Early Bird, Colin. Get on early on that. Neither here. But, no. Here is what I find so interesting about Jalen Hertz.

Because you're right. To the sidelines, he's a great passer. Kind of the middle intermediate part of the field is maybe where the size hurts him a little bit. But it seems, though, like the biggest Jalen Hertz fans believe in him more than his own coaching staff. The only reason he got an opportunity to throw the ball Sunday was because they had no other choice. Even though he came through in the NFC title game, he came through in the Super Bowl,

he had a year a few years ago where he was top three in MVP voting. They were refusing to open up the offense. And last year, Colin, that made sense because they had the best defense. in the league and Sequin was averaging 150 a game and you were blowing people out. This year, Sequin hasn't yet popped. The defense hasn't been great and they still don't want to let Jalen throw. I find that really odd. And I think it's interesting that they don't, that again, like Kevin Wilds, who loves Jailen

Hertz, seems to think he's better than Kevin Petulow, the offensive coordinator for the Eagles. That part is weird. What I will say about Philadelphia is this. And I'm sorry to invoke the Chiefs, but I must. I find it very, very interesting how the Eagles are, you know, they win games blocking a kick, a guy drops a pass, a tipped pick. And it is a sign of a team that just knows how to win. They even maybe get a few beneficial calls, and it's just, A, be better. and the Chiefs last year were playing this exact same script and everyone's saying, oh, this has got to be coming to a crashing halt.

The Eagles, like the Chiefs last year, know how to win games. And while they might be winless in hypothetical scenarios if CD caught it, if Travis caught it, if they don't block the kick. They are undefeated in the actual standings. And I do think winning is a team skill. and the Eagles have found away each and every week, despite not playing their best football yet. And I think that's really impressive. I want to wrap on Caleb Williams.

So there are certain things he doesn't do with consistency. His personality isn't terribly consistent. He can get very emotional. His accuracy isn't always consistent. And my feeling is on Caleb Williams, unlike Brady, where you know exactly what you're getting, And kind of like Jalen Hertz, you kind of know what you get and know what you don't get. Caleb is a bit of a roller coaster, personality accuracy.

So as I watch him eat the Cowboys for lunch, my take is he's going to come out this week and he's going to struggle. And you just have to come to terms with he has all this horsepower. But what Josh Allen has done to eliminate the reckless, I don't think he can do. I think they're different personalities. And as I watch Caleb, I'm like, we just have to get comfortable with the fact that he is going to drive Ben Johnson crazy about every other serial.

I watched Ben Johnson's body language. Caleb drove him crazy six times. And maybe that's just what he is. Well, listen, it took Josh Allen six years to stop turning, though, to stop being a roller coaster. A guy who right now, I think, is in the midst of it, is Jordan Love, who when he's good, he's great, and when he's bad, he gives the game away to the Browns, you know, so that can be a process. I don't necessarily agree with you, Colin, that I

think this week Caleb's going to have a down game. Where I do agree with you is he seems like because of the right now, I would say, this sounds too harsh and I don't mean it to, but emotional immaturity, just the fact that he is, he kind of lives and dies with each play. Yes. That I think that it is, he is the type of player who when he is having a great game, it's going to lead to a greater game. And if he misses a few throws, it can snowball against him. So I think a lot of it has to do with how a game starts and then does he avoid a pitfall early

and then it can be a game like we saw this weekend. But I also think there is a huge opportunity for the Bears this weekend. They play the Raiders, then they have the buy. If they can beat the Raiders and even themselves at 2 and 2, then they have the buy. Then the next week, Colin, is a game against the team that ended their season last year, effectively, in the commanders and Jaden Daniels. They'd be coming off a buy, they'd be 2 and 2.

So I think this is a critical spot for Caleb and Ben to beat the Raiders, steady yourself, have two weeks to have that, you know, Caleb versus Jaden, Bears versus Commander's game, and then see where he's at. But I do think it's going to be fits and starts. But you've seen already through 20 games of the kid's career, the overall talent level is so high that even if he doesn't fully tighten up everything else, his floor is going to be relative. high. And if he does tighten up the other stuff, he unequivocally can be the guy that I know coming out of college, you and I both thought he would be, which is one of the very best

quarterbacks in the league. Nick Wright, first things first. I loved your Harbaugh take. I forgot. I was, you know, I was trying on vacay. I only get a couple of days. I mean, I was sitting in your seat in the back, listen, in 2016, you might not have gotten 2025 cowherd vacation days, but you still had some. You still, you still are able to take a few days. And by the way, it's because of that that I'm here now. So I owe it to you, my friend. But yeah, Harbaugh, I was way ahead of you on that. That's fine.

Don't worry about it. I've stolen from you plenty, so you can take this one from me. I'll see you next week, buddy. First things first, my buddy, Nick Wright. You know, it's an interesting thing about Josh Allen. Josh Allen, when he started, and Buffalo's different from Chicago, Buffalo's a small market. It's very supportive. Is that Josh Allen's first year and a half, he was a turnover machine.

He couldn't complete 58% of his throws. and it took him until about 18, 19, 20 games, and you're like, okay, he's jumping over linebackers, it's going to work. But again, in Buffalo, it's more supportive, it's a smaller market, and they'd had Jim Kelly before. They'd been to Super Bowls before. They got the quarterback right multiple times. In Chicago, there's so many things working against the young quarterback who struggles. It's a very loud media. It's a major market.

They can't get quarterback right. The team up north, the tiny market always gets quarterback right. So you can make an argument, just make Caleb Williams work. We're going to give it three full years. We don't care what that's what they did with Josh Allen. We think he's super talented. We think his horsepower is unbelievable. We're just going to go on and on and Josh Allen every year just gets a little better.

But it is harder when you're the Chicago Bears quarterback, and they've never gotten the quarterback position right, and the guys up north, 30 minutes on a train up north, are the best team in the league at developing the most important position. the quarterback. It's a loud media. It's just hard. There are certain environments. It's just tougher for young people.

And our current economy more than any time in my life is really hard for even the kids that go to the Ivy League schools. We've got a new environment AI displacing jobs, blah, blah, blah. Chicago for quarterbacks, it's tough. It's a tough place. They had a Jim Kelly. They had

multiple Super Bowls. maybe it would be different, but they were very patient with Josh Allen because of his horsepower, not because he was super accurate for the first year and a half. I mean, like, even the first year for Caleb Williams, he had six picks.

He completed well over 60% of his throws. And the coaching staff was a mess. Josh Allen inherited Sean McDonough, or Sean McDermott, excuse me. So, I mean, he went to a team that had already made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor. They weren't in chaos. The Bears were in chaos, coach in the hot seat.

Caleb's like 20 touchdown, 6-picks, 63 or 64% completion percentage. And it was like disaster. So it's just harder in Chicago. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart Radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Hey, we're Kavino and Rich. Fox Sports Radio every day, 5 to 7 p.m. Eastern.

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Love when we get some breaking news, Colin. Jackson Dart in at quarterback for the New York Giants. Russell Wilson, woefully inept against the Chiefs, booed off the field, enter Dart, who will start Sunday against the Chajas. I know it says minus six on the screen.

I have checked some Vegas books. It's starting to head up. I'm just going to say this. Jackson Dart has a lot of upside. Jesse Minter, the defensive coordinator of the Broncos, has been amazing. And last year, facing rookie quarterback, Knicks, he put him in a body bag. Nix could do nothing.

It was like 20 to nothing in the midway through the fourth before some garbage time. I know it's a cross-country trip for the Chargers and everybody's excited that what were they for in the Hurt hierarchy? They're really good. I would be surprised if Jackson Dart was able to pull this off and get the dub.

I like the Chargers here. I don't know. I like big favorites this weekend. I like the Packers. I like the Chargers. I know. You could always you could tease them. Do you do teasers in the pictures? I don't know. I don't. You never have because it feels like it's too much for the average fan watching. What do you mean the average fan is doing same game parlayes and lighting money on fire?

Teasers are way safer than that. But anyways, I'm optimistic Sissy Dart, but, I mean, Colin, they don't have a lot of dudes. Cam Scataboo was their leading receiver and rusher, okay, the rookie from, what, ASU, right? Yeah. I don't know. I'm worried about the kid. Andrew Thomas, is he going to be on a pitch count again, the left tackle? I think he's been on a career pitch can.

We got some Russell Wilson stats here that are ghastly. In the red zone this season, Russell Wilson, four of 18 for 16 yards. I mean, Colin, what the hell is that? I think it's time to retire. I think I don't think he's going to have a market. I mean, basically an off-season story is Russell Wilson a Hall of Famer. You probably say no, I will argue the other side, because that's what we do on the show.

Let's move on to the Baltimore Ravens. We've got to go back to last night's shocker. Detroit Lions beat the Ravens in Baltimore. Look at this Aidan Hutchison Punchout of Derek Henry. His second fourth quarter fumble lost. Against Buffalo, it kind of flipped the game, and last night was brutal. Here's Henry talking about his fumbulitis.

Lost in worry. Keep working, working in practice. Three games straight. In my career, great, great, fumbles, being critical

moments. Yeah. I apologize. I apologize. So, Rock Nation, and, you know, I just,

we'll keep working and get this six. Listen, Adrian Peterson had a fumble problem. Tiki Barber did at one point in his career. But those guys were young. Henry's 31 and turns 32 in January.

Listen, he feels terrible. Like, I have great sympathy for people who screw up and feel terrible. Lamar Jackson looked like he wasn't happy with him.

Again, he's a great player. He feels awful about it. And these punchouts, this is like a thing now the last two to three years. This is happening. The NFL doesn't love fumbles. They don't love change of possessions. But, I mean, there are certain guys in this league that do it well.

And it's become, you see one to two a game. Balls knocked out, just punched out. I feel so bad for the guy because he's so much about winning. He has such a work ethic. He's such a committed guy. I got, by the way, Aidan Hutchison last night was a monster. Oh, he was great. He was dominant.

We need to move him up the edge rusher rankings, if those exist. Final story, Colin, let's go to the first European trip of the season. We're going to Ireland, Dublin. I have a funny Dublin joke, but I won't tell it on air. Vikings Steelers, Pittsburgh somehow is two and one. They've got to be the worst two-and-one team in the league. Terry Bradshaw agrees. This team does not have championship pedigree.

they're not ever going to fire Mike Tomlin. If they continue, they've made the playoffs 18 years. And he wins it, he'll go again 19 years. They don't have the team. They are always competitive, but they're past being a contender. They're not a contender. They're just not. From what I've seen, they're not a contender.

And they haven't been in a while. They hadn't been a contender in five years. Well, I mean, if you go to last year, they beat all the bad quarterbacks that went 0 and 5 down the stretch. They have a... If you look at the offense and you're being honest, New England completely outplayed them. I mean, New England, it's...

Not every team that wins is the better team. New England gave the game away. Now, you could say, oh, the Steelers made great defensive plays. I mean, Drake May through a end zone interception that was probably the worst interception of the year. I mean, it was on a short list of bad interceptions. So, but, you know, they got a winning record. I think I like Minnesota.

I love Minnesota. Yeah. Quick note, I think the Patriots had five turnovers against the Steelers. And remember the Jets were in control of that game. Before the kick returner fumbles, Jets ended up cutting him. Pittsburgh, I mean, come on.

This is not a good football team. I cannot wait until these guys are cooked and we stop talking about Aaron Rogers and the Steelers. The run is over. Like Tomlin, great coach, Hall of Fame, all that stuff. Rogers going to the Hall of Fame. They're just not fun.

Do you watch them? Like, Colin, they are a boring team. They're not interesting at all. I can't find any compelling reason to pay attention to these guys except to wake up and bet against them. Hey, real quick, Colin. Brian Flores last year, remember the international game against Rogers when he was on the Jets? Oh, it was brutal. Rogers couldn't do anything.

So I like the Vikings here for sure. I do too. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. The Dallas Cowboys and, yes, Jerry Jones deserve a lot of credit. Jerry was talking yesterday, and I love what he said.

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Check local listings for the game in your area only on Fox. Jerry Jones, sometimes you make a business deal and you know you're going to get beat up for a year, like when the Lakers traded Shaq to Miami, the heat were ready to win a title. But in the big picture, the more dedicated athlete, the more obsessed athlete, who had far more prime years left was the late Kobe Bryant.

It was a good move by the Lakers, but you knew you were going to get the you-know-what kicked out of you for about a year or two because the heat were ready to win a title. So trading Micah to the Packers is bad news until April. It'll be bad for the Dallas Cowboys. They're going to get, you know, Micah is going to play on TV, is going to have big games, the Packers are Super Bowl-worthy. You're going to lose it for a year.

But you know what the Cowboys have now? with multiple first round picks, four first round picks in the next couple years, flexibility. Packers don't even have first round picks. They got flexibility, financial flexibility, draft flexibility. And Jerry Jones said in the last couple of days,

he would even think of trading one of those first round picks to go get another current star player in the league. To use that capital, you've got to have the opportunity to use it. I had the opportunity to really, do some good with those picks i would do it you've got to have something that comes your way that's really special and if you've got the uh uh currency to do it which in this case it would be draft picks we'll do i have seen in my life too many bosses that make decisions trying to win

the press conference and make sure the media critics oh they don't come after us lack vision lack courage i've been doing this 35 years sometimes you're going to get whacked for a year when you make a decision. Is it in the best long-term interest of the franchise? Micah's really good. You could go draft the next Micah next year. But having four first-round picks, you could trade down, you could move up, because Dax's play is so strong right now.

You don't need a quarterback. So nothing better, and I think the Cowboys are going to finish in the top seven or eight picks. They're not a very good football team. They're beat up with C.D. Lamb. Diggs not playing well. Mike has gone. It's not a very good team, not a very good coaching staff. So in the end, leverage, flexibility, that long-term is what all the great teams need,

not a really good pass rusher who clogs up a lot of your salary cap. Props to Jerry for having the courage, not consumed, willing to take the hit for a year until April, Jerry's going to get dog because Micah may have the big sack in the Super Bowl. And every columnist will write, oh, he doesn't know what he's doing. and then April comes around and the Packers don't have a first round pick and then the Cowboys have two and can leverage it into multiple other picks or trade and get another good edge rusher. Call the Raiders. We'll take Max Crosby a first. All right. Big college weekend.

And I noticed something about this big college weekend. 21st rank USC underrated at 23 Illinois, probably a little overrated. number one Ohio state at Washington number six Oregon at number three Penn State three very interesting college games in the Big Ten have you noticed anything about those three games

none of these games would have existed just two years ago instead you would have had Washington hosting Cal and you would have had Oregon at Washington State or USC facing the beavers

that's fine college football in my life has had two major problems a big game problem two regional too many small games that matter to a single state

or maybe two and December was a wasteland of unwatchable bowl games that can't sell tickets and have to give them away both of those issues have been resolved

the late great John Madden used to say certain games sound big. Niners against the Packers, regardless of record, sounds big. Eagles Cowboys, regardless of record, always sounds big. You know what sounds big? Ohio State at Husky Stadium. That sounds big, even though Ohio State's a lot better.

You know what sounds big? Oregon at Penn State. and USC red-hot, most sacks in the country, number one offense against a team in the Midwest. That sounds big or bigger than Cal and Washington at Husky Stadium. So I am for tradition when it's great like explosives on 4th of July. I like fireworks or Christmas. But you're not going to convince me. that eliminating the classic Stanford against Arizona State football game every October

is bringing me to the emotional cliff. Too many people love tradition when traditions, not that special. Yes, Thanksgiving dinner is. Yes, Christmas is. Fireworks. Yeah, I get it. There are certain holidays that are big. Michigan, Ohio State.

Duke, Carolina, and basketball. We all agree. But Major League Baseball needed tweaks. They did it and the ratings are up. And college football was incredibly regional. And then they combined the four big names in the Pack 12, moving to the Midwest, and I'm getting a lot more big game.

Justin Herbert was on an hour ago. He can't wait for Oregon, Penn State. I always make time to watch Oregon. You know, growing up a duck fan playing there. You know, it's been so fun to watch them play. and you know I think that's kind of the cool thing about going to the Big Ten and playing all these these fun teams is you're going to go to the east coast and you're going to have some big games and you know not always was that the case in the

pack 12 and you know I know the ducks are really excited and you know Eugene is is loving it too so it's really cool to see it yeah and for the record Ohio State may run Washington out of the building I think it'll be pretty close college teams when they go on the road aren't quite as powerful Ohio State will win maybe it'll be ugly but it feels big. Oregon, Penn State should be great. That feels massive. But USC in Illinois, it feels big.

I mean, USC last year, struggled against non-traditional powers on the road, struggled, lost to Maryland, lost to Minnesota. So it actually feels really big. It's the first time USC, which, by the way, beat LSU last year, beat Texas A&M last year. I think they've won like six of their last seven. They're on like a four, five-game winning streak,

something like that. I think it's the second longest winning streak in the Big Ten. So, but it's, I'm not anti-tradition. But you know what? Electric vehicles, when I lived in Los Angeles and didn't have to go to a gas station where the gas prices got as high as $6.50. I know, you like that V8. I understand it. I'm not against it.

But I kind of liked an EV where I plug it in at night and never have to go to a gas station. And it doesn't make a lot of noise and it's quiet and it's fast and it's zero to 60 in one second. I kind of like that too. not every tradition is great. So a massive weekend in college football. You know, Jay Mack, I got to go back. I want to go back to the Cowboys and Jerry Jones saying, I may trade one of those first round picks for players.

If you go look at the Cowboys the last three years, the one thing, I mean, they were a good offensive team. They made the playoffs. They had exciting players. But the one thing the Cowboys lacked, didn't have any flexibility. They couldn't pay $8 million. dollars for Derek Henry

when they had the worst running back room in the league. And Jerry Jones has always been this deal maker. So basically you had the world's best poker player and he didn't have any, he had no leverage and no flexibility. Dallas is going to get crushed. If Green Bay wins the Super Bowl

and they have a very good chance to do that, they're going to be 100 anti-Jerry Jones. It's the worst trade ever. And that's fine. But come April, when you don't need a quarterback and have two first round picks. The Rams do, they need a quarterback. The Browns do.

They need a quarterback. Dallas is going to be in unbelievable shape in April. Spare me, bro. Listen, it's not like Dallas is one player away from contending. I mean, their defense cannot get out. I'm looking at some EPA numbers here. Bro, their second worst defense in the league, Colin. They're so far away from contending.

And you outlined this at the top. When we talked about quarterbacks in the AFC, you pay them, and all of a sudden the rest of the roster stinks. That's the Cowboys. They're the Bengals of the NFC. And now C.D. Lambs out. So you got DAC and petulant Carl Pickens, not Carl Pickens, George Pickens, and a running back room that's eh. Your setters out, what, four to six weeks? Dude, they're not even close to contending.

Washington, who got snubbed in your herd hierarchy, by the way, were they? How were they not ahead of the season? Well, the Chargers had the worst defense in the league. then they hired the right coach and the same guys, same players. If you had an elite coaching staff, not Brian Schottnheimer and Matt Eberfluse, it looks even worse because of the staff. Jim Harbaugh and Jesse Minter took a defense that was 32nd to first. The same guys.

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