The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - New Herd Hierarchy, the fall of the Bills and Packers, Nick Wright

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

In his Week 11 Herd Hierarchy, Colin ranks the Top 10 NFL teams, explaining why the Kansas City Chiefs and Philadelphia Eagles are still dangerous — and why the Buffalo Bills and Packers have fallen out of the elite category   Guest: Nick WrightSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It is a Tuesday, heard hierarchy a minute away, live in Chicago, which is not far from Green Bay. What a mess that was last night. Zero, zero at half. Greg Olson, hour from now, Nick Wright, five minutes from now. You know, J. Mack, it's like I'm a good luck. charm for those bears. That offense is humming.

Green Bay last night. Green Bay is just lost. They don't know what they are. They can't run the ball. Lafleur loves to run the ball. I mean, they first half, they had six completion. So Matt Lafleur, what he wants to do, his team's incapable of doing.

And so it's a weird, there's no rhythm to Green Bay's offense to me at all. Well, the wide receiver room is real beat up. Matthew Golden missed. And then they were playing a converted cornerback. Bo Melton at wide receiver. Did you see that drop he had on fourth down? Why are you targeting a quarterback on fourth down and nine?

I was perplexed by the offense. All right, it is time. What to do with the Buffalo Bills? What to do with the Green Bay Packers? Let's hit it. Heard hierarchy. Heard hierarchy. Time is now.

Let's go. The top 10 NFL teams, according to college, number 10. Indianapolis has the number one scoring offense, number one in yards per play. number one in total offense. They've scored 30 plus points in five or six games. Do they have a ceiling with Daniel Jones? Yep, he's becoming Daniel Jones again, a lot of giveaways. But here's a remarkable number on Jonathan Taylor.

He has over 800 yards after contact, after he's been hit. So this offense is the real deal. It's got a ceiling, but I put Indy. They've got to be in here. I put him at 10. Number nine. Justin Herbert's unbelievable. The Chargers have the worst pass blocking line I think I've ever seen,

and yet they're second best in the NFL on third down. How? They're on number three running back. How? The fact that they're 6 and 1 against the AFC, 3 and 0 against their division, they don't really have a true number 1 on their third best running back, and the pass blocking line is egregiously bad.

had Justin Herbert's been hit, pressured, 113 times. Second place, 24 fewer times. Herbert and Harbaugh deserve to be in here. Nine. Number eight. Lions. You listen, they win. They haven't lost back-to-back game since like 2022,

longest streak in the league. So, and say what you want. Jared Goff, 70 plus completion percentage in eight straight road games. That extends an NFL record. We always thought of him as good inside, bad on the road. He looked pretty good to me. They've got multiple guys with eight plus touchdowns, Amaran St. Brown, Jemir Gibbs. You know, do we trust Dan Campbell situationally in big spots?

I don't know if I do. He took over play calling duties this weekend. Not great. Detroit at 8. Number 7. Ravens, don't care about their record. These aren't standings. basically they average 30 points a game and 6.1 yards of play when Lamar Jackson plays.

Sorry, you're going to make the list. Also, if they play the NFC, take them. They're 25 and 3. I like the roster when healthy. I like the quarterback. I like the coach. Don't care much about the record. As long as they stay healthy, they'll be a playoff team.

They're going to win this division. I think after you watch Pittsburgh against the Chargers, that's fairly obvious. Number six. The Broncos. You can't keep winning this way, and I don't think they're going to beat Kansas City this weekend. They're one of two teams. The Saints are the other. The trail in every game.

It's not sustainable. But they've won seven games in a row because their coach is great. Their defense is stacked. Their O-line's excellent. Fewest sacks allowed, yet most sacks delivered. That's very rare in the NFL. I got Denver at six. Number five.

But Kansas City's going to beat them this weekend. They're the current favorite to beat him this weekend. and they've outgained seven of the last eight opponents. Listen, I don't love their run game, but I mean, I went back and looked this morning. How many great run games has Patrick Mahomes had? Coach, coordinator, weapons, I like them. You know, Buffalo tends to circle the wagons and play their best game every year in the regular season against Kansas City.

Congratulations. How's that working out for you? I got Kansas City at five. Number four. The enigmatic Eagles at four. listen, they're four and one against teams with winning records. They sort of play to their competition. So they beat the Rams and the Chiefs and the Bucks and the Packers.

They beat good teams and they beat them on the road. They do not give the ball up. I said this about Caleb Williams. He doesn't throw picks. The Eagles don't turn the ball over. And they're very good in the red zone. So again, playoff football. November football is situational football.

It's winning on the road. And they do. And by the way, Jalen Phillips, did you notice last night? they pressured Jordan Love on 40% of his dropbacks. That is a heist to get Jalen Phillips at the trade deadline for a third down pick. And if he leaves, you get a third round pick back. That is great GMing. Number three.

The Patriots. I mean, they go to Buffalo. They win. They play Tampa off a buy. They win. Drake May, eight to nine games, 100 plus passer rating. I'm sorry. And he's doing it without a number one wide receiver, a good, not great offensive line.

they're 5 and 0 on the road. That counts for something on this list. And they've got a locked down corner and almost nobody in the league does. They're 7 and 0 when Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon plays. So, I mean, you're just watching a great coach, a great emerging quarterback. Kyle Williams, the wide receiver, and Trayvion Henderson, play them please. This weekend they did, and they were exceptional. Number two.

The Seahawks. Best point differential. in the NFC. Sam Darnold is the highest-guided quarterback in the league. I mean, he's just fantastic. Tide for the few as sacks allowed on offense. So they've got, there can be a little reckless. Darnold has the weirdest turnovers,

ricketing balls off a tight-end's helmet. But turn the sound down and look at this deep. It reminds me at Kansas City's defense about three years ago when it was really young. Turn the sound down. There is no faster defense in this league. Everybody runs. The safeties, the linebackers, the edge rushers, everybody runs on this team.

Depth everywhere, no glaring hole, Seattle at two. Number one. But the Rams are a more efficient version of Seattle. You don't get the panelists, you don't get the turnovers. Once again, PFF rates them as the number one team, the number one offense, the number three defense. Now, Seattle's got a quarterback that can move around. Kansas City does. Buffalo does.

Baltimore does. I do think as a purely pocket quarterback, you can get into those weird situations if you're not running the ball. Their offense can get stuck. But right now, coaching, quarterbacking, run game, pass rush,

no penalties, they don't turn it over. They are the cleanest team in the league. With that, Nick Wright, first things first, he usually has a good... Everybody wants me to put Buffalo in. I can't.

I'm watching the games. I cannot put them. in. I'm sorry. They're not a top 10 team in the league. So I was, I'll admit, I was a little surprise you didn't have Buffalo in. That would, that was, I had three real takeaways. So let's start with Buffalo first. Let's say the first round of the playoffs is the two seed Indianapolis Colts. Yeah. Hosting the seven seed Buffalo Bills. Colts. You're, really? I think it's just, you're going to, you're going to, you're going to, you're We're going to stare at Daniel Jones versus Josh Allen for a week and go with Daniel Jones.

Okay. The bills can't stop the run. The Colts are the best run team. Josh is going to watch that game from the sidelines. They're going to get dominated time of possession. Okay, listen, that's fair. I don't know. That might actually be the smarter analysis.

I just couldn't live with myself. I can lose a bet and be okay with it. I can't lose a bet and be like, did I lose, Did I pick Daniel Jones over Josh Allen in a playoff game? All right, second question and then a compliment. You're not trotting out there the look at Bo Nix's numbers when trailing graphic too much anymore, are you, Colin? That guy's not good.

He's not good. Bo Nix is not good. Like, the rest of the team's really good. Bo Nix, that's a problem. That's a big problem in Denver. And that is it like, because the defense is awesome. The coach is really good. The offensive line is spectacular.

And it feels like they are lucky every week. That's a real concern for them. Yeah, I mean, young people need time to grow. I'm kind of over it because he had 61 college starts. I said, this past week I said, it would not shock me because the roster is so complete that if Sean Payton said, well, we got the. the 24th pick, I'll take sellers from South Carolina

and just sit him for a year. Wow. No, I mean, and I like Bo Nix, but Sean Payton's not sitting around. He's not 42 years old. He's not McVeigh. And the roster, you know this. You can't keep these guys for very long.

When your roster's as good as Denver, guys have to get paid. Your windows are like 18 months in this league. Yeah, my dream is a different one, which is the Broncos, get the wild card, somehow upset someone in round one of the playoffs and Bo Nix has won a playoff game and that leads to him a year from now getting that big second contract. I would love the Broncos and the AFC West be tied to Bo Nix for the next five years. And last but not least, a compliment at your own

restraint at not putting Seattle number one when you could have. And I just have a question for you. Yeah, yeah. How does it feel to have held the Sam Darnold stock this long through that much, Sam Darnold's last year and a half would, I can only compare it to as if in five years Bill is passed and wearing your hat backwards is called illegal, punishable by six months in jail. Like there is no greater victory lap imaginable for you than the fact that Sam Darnold might be the starting quarterback for the best team in football and a big reason why. Seattle's unbelievable. Well, you know what I've always done.

I know what I'm not good at, which is a lot. And so I often rely on people who are smarter than me in their opinion. And I always knew that Shanahan loved him. I always knew that Kyle Shanahan was always like a darn old guy. And I knew that McVeigh liked him. And I knew Kevin O'Connell liked him. And I'm like, those are three of the smartest guys in the league. And they all like him.

And then when you watch it, everybody, leaves the jets and just gets better and you're like, okay, nothing works there. Nothing in the world works there. So a lot of the Darnold thing was, everybody I know likes it. I came out and I said he has, he's not Andrew Luck, but I said he shares the

qualities. People crushed me for years. I didn't get that by myself. I got that from a GM that says, I know how much you like luck. Donald's like 79% Andrew Luck. And so I just stuck with it. Does this mean that I should hold out hope

that in three years when Trevor Lawrence is the starting quarterback for the 49ers that I'm going to have this moment, that I'm going to be like, I never left him. That's my guy. It just needed in the right circumstances. No one works in Jacksonville. I don't know, man. But that's great. Great hierarchy.

Okay. I want to ask you, I said this about last night I had a little bit of a revelation, is that when you watch what Mahomes has done in his career, winning Super Bowls with average run game and bad receiving court. or you watch this year, which is unbelievable. The Chargers are the second best third down team in the league. With the worst O-line and no-run game, you really do see the gap between the top five or six guys and good guys.

And last night, the Eagles are the Packers, just a better version. They have a good quarterback. But both Love and Hertz had a great run game last year, and they look exceptional. When you take the run game away from Mahomes and Herbert, who cares. But when you take it away from good quarterbacks, Baker, Jordan,

Hurts, they don't win as much, and they're not the same. And that game is zero, zero at half. It's not about the quarterbacks. It's about they don't have a run game. And they're not, there's only about five guys in my life at any one time at quarterback.

Burrow gets to a Super Bowl with an atrocious own line. Mahomes can do that. Right? So my take is Eagles, Packers, we've just, and I'm guilty, We've overstated love and hurts into this Mahomes class, and they're not. Well, listen, they're certainly not in the Mahomes class, and I want to stay focused on what your actual point is,

so I will try to resist the urge to be like, when did Herbert get in that class? Like, her, like, look at her. Justin Herbert's overcome all this. Why? Because there's 7 and 3 right now, because it's year 6, and he might win his first playoff game,

might have his first 11-win season, but set that aside. The Herbert stuff will see. I know the rules with Justin Herbert. When they're awesome, Justin Herbert's awesome, and when they're not, Justin Herbert needs more help. I know that. Let's talk love and hurts. Hertz is just,

Hertz is almost in his own category of quarterbacks because it looks so pedestrian and so hard for such long stretches. and then it seems like in the third and long to Devante Smith, which won them the game, he makes the play. He can be doing nothing with his legs all game, and then he can have one really good scramble. And while I am not a quarterback wins, zealot, he has been so successful and such a winner that I have to be like, man, there is something weird about him that makes him hard to evaluate. Jordan Love is not that hard to evaluate for me.

I think he is a very talented player who has not harnessed the talent. And I think that I set it on to you, Colin, the day after the Micah trade, that that instantly made Jordan Love the most interesting player in the league. Because if he was simply the 10th best quarterback in football this year, they can win the Super Bowl. and if he was the fifth best quarterback in football this year, they would win the Super Bowl because I thought the defense could be that good. The defense has been that good.

Aside from the weird game against Dallas, the defense has been dominant week in, week out. And yet, even though his numbers for the season are actually fine, you watch him and you're like, man, something's just missing. And I'm not saying he's not going to get there, but he isn't young because he, he, He's, you know, this is his third year as the full-time starter, but he sat for so long that you would have hoped he would be more consistent at this point. And I was shocked by the athletic article this morning that basically puts out there that Matt LaFleur's seat could be hot. Like, I didn't see that storyline coming at all, but it seems like it's where we are. I got, I want, Giants fired Day Bowl, jets did the same last year.

So I'm a believer in the substitute teacher theory. Everybody loves them. So if you fire a coach mid-season and you just happen, when we've seen Miami, they fired the GM and the team's elevated. Everybody, I mean, they moved off Jalen Phillips and the team was elevated. You get that. So keep Dable to the end. He and Jackson Dart get along and then move off it. Now Mike Kofka takes over, who doesn't have a big presence.

I'm not sure if he's a CEO guy, but he's a smart guy from. Northwestern who played. He reels off three straight wins. He gets the job. Well, these New York jobs, when they hire coordinators, don't work. They hired Coughlin. They hire Parcells. You need a big presence. So my takeaway is I wouldn't have fired him. But there's

an argument, and you're somebody that's on this a lot. That situation in that game against the Bears, they're flying back, and the owners like, why didn't we go for it? Why are we kicking field goals? Do you think the blue tent issue got him fired? The situation, on fourth down got him fired because I think all of it okay Colin listen I so I so I have a lot of

thoughts here I'll go quickly first of all that the simplest explanation is this and this is a stunning number Brian dable in his first nine games as Giants head coach went seven and two after that he went 13 and 38 13 and 38 in his final 50s in his final 50s. games as a head coach, that will get you fired. Four double-digit fourth quarter meltdowns this year, that will get you fired. The fact that I thought he was, you know, Jackson Dart has something like 25 designed quarterback runs this year already, despite being in and out of the blue tent four times this year. He's been checked for four concussions, one of which was a real concussion, one of which Daible melted down at the team doctor.

So all of, listen, Brian Daible, maybe he got a little unlucky on certain spots. His record, he deserved to be fired. But can I paint a scenario for you? Because who loves Brian Davel? Josh Allen. Yeah. Who some people feel like, you know, Mrs. Brian Daible, Josh Allen. Now, the reporting from Tyler Dunn is that, you know, Allen, I'm sorry, Dable and McDermott

didn't really get along great and that even if Daible hadn't gotten the head coaching job that he might have left Buffalo. If you're right about Buffalo and they are one and done in the playoffs, and they decide they have to move off McDermott, is it crazy? The idea that Josh Allen might say, hey, let Brian Daible be my head coach here. Not my offensive coordinator, my head coach here. I think there is a scenario where this. This actually works out really well for Dable.

I'm not picking that, but I think it's on the board if Buffalo has the type of season that you think they could have. I want to shift to NBA. Your buddy and my buddy, Chris Broussard, always uses this line, and it's so true in basketball. Your game is your game. Your game is your game. Westbrook's game is his game. With LeBron, in his prime, he took some oxygen from the offense. It ran through him.

Durant, put him in a corner, get him to the ball late in the shot clock. He'll average 28. That's not LeBron. At 41, Luke is now a much better offensive player. And probably in shape, Luke is a better player. Austin Reeves has never played this good through eight games. Rui has never played this good through 11. DeAndre Aiton.

J.J. Reddick creates such great space. This is what he does. Everybody's got space. And the ball moves, and it's joyful. and LeBron's not playing and the numbers are surging. At 28, bring him back, it'll all work. This is crazy. At 41, this is crazy.

Ball stopper, LeBron. Colin, he was sixth in MVP voting at 40. Last year, not 28. Last year. And he knows it. He wasn't a ball stopper last year. I mean, I'm just curious. Yeah.

Where are the people arguing? Oklahoma City, 8 and 1, annihilating people, maybe don't bring their second best player Jalen Williams back because he's been out all year. That's what you're like, I don't know. What LeBron has proven throughout his career is that he's a chameleon. He can play whatever style you need him to play. Historically, his teams have needed him to be the de facto point guard, but there was one year for the Lakers. he was their center and that worked out as well as it could have. It is nothing but positive that the Lakers are playing this well without LeBron.

The idea that, let's just say conservatively, he fell off over the summer and he went from again last year's second team, all-MBA, sixth and MVP voting, to say he's now the 15th best player in basketball. All right. What a benefit that is to add one of the best best. passers ever, one of the smartest players ever, and a guy who is still wildly efficient as your second or third option. Like, I think this is the week, game one, LeBron didn't clap enough. People panicked. By game seven, he's all into it. And people are now saying maybe they shouldn't use him

or should try to trade him. The fact that the Lakers are playing this well without LeBron only speaks to that they could potentially be legitimately dangerous once he gets back. All right. I just suggested it needs to be considered that some of the ascension is the ball movement, the spacing, it's Lucas team. I don't want LeBron taking the ball. Lucas. Luca was this?

Luca was 34, 9, and 9 his last full year in Dallas. Luca has been this good. Everyone who's watched basketball has known it, except for Nico Harrison, who now doesn't have a job. Like Austin Reeves, I do think Austin Reeves getting more opportunity now, you're seeing it, but he also has become a better player because when, when before they got Luca, Austin Reeves was the team's second option and LeBron was in the Luca role and he wasn't doing quite this. Austin Reeves has turned himself into an excellent offensive player and credit to him and credit to JJ and credit to everyone involved in that. But I don't, I don't.

I don't see a need to act like LeBron coming back is anything but a huge coup for the Lakers. Yeah, I bet privately Austin Reeves. Austin, just know your touches are going to get cut in half. I mean, you're out of your mind. But the team will be better. Like, I don't even understand what, I hate, what is the take that they should just bench him, that they should ask him to be their name? ninth man it's a take my take exactly it's a takeless take thank you is the take that they are keeping

lebron on the team just to appease brawny since he's now become an important defensive weapon off the bench my take my take is my take is this efficiency will regress with lebron they'll have a better athlete but their offense won't look like this because lebron will take he'll take touches from d'andre from austin from luka And this is really a beautiful offense, and it'll be different with LeBron. It'll just be a little... It sounds like you're flirting with the take. I'm not flirting. That taking some touches away from DeAndre Aiton and giving them to LeBron James will make the Los Angeles Lakers worse.

It seems like that's what you're batting your eyelashes at, and I think that's insane. All right, okay. That's all. I'm going to let you save your Nico Harris and stuff for your show, because I know you have strong. Okay, thanks. That's very nice of you. I appreciate that. I did it earlier on a podcast on the wonderful volume podcast network, and now we'll do it on first things first. I was live on the air right when the news broke. So we had live late breaking. So I'll do it again on TV later. See you, Colin. All right, buddy. Yeah, I'm not suggesting a trade. I'm just saying this offense is beautiful to watch right now, beautiful. And it won't be as beautiful because LeBron needs the ball. He's not an off ball player. He's smart. He can adapt, but he is what he is. Your game is your game.

That's all I'm saying. J. Mack and Nick don't believe in my take. They're a little saucy today. I get that. I'm a little saucy every day. How about this? I did that hurt hierarchy. Is the Seahawks Rams potentially the game of the year in the league?

Can we get it on the screen real quick? It's not your best effort. I think Seattle Rams is probably the best game of the year. year. I don't think that's that hot of a take. You have it as one, two. Buffalo, Kansas City was until this week. I mean, are we going a little Gaga for Seattle because they smashed Arizona and we're up 35-0. No, no, no. We're going ga-gaw because they are like, if you look at all their numbers, they're like number one. Donald's the best quarterback in the league. Yeah, a lot of it is against bad, bad teams. I think they're a top five team. Well, I always hear that. I always hear that.

Well, I mean, who have you beaten? Well, folks, there are no unbeaten teams. I mean, the reality is you can say, well, who have they, like Buffalo, who have they beaten? Well, they did beat Kansas City, so you can always use the argument, well, who have they beaten? This league, there's a lot

of 500 teams in this league. There's a small bottom and a small top, but the league's all a game or two in front or back of 500. So you can say what you want about the Seahawks, but they are like a weird turnover from being eight and one.

They had the San Francisco 49ers beat. They'd be eight and one. Here are the quarterbacks Seattle has beaten this season. They won, beat Aaron Rogers. I don't know. I don't think Tyler Shuck was starting for the Saints. That might have been Spencer Rattler. Then they beat Kyler Marie, who has basically been soft benched.

They beat Trevor Lawrence, everybody does. C.J. Stroud, Marcus Marietta, Jacoby Brissette. They haven't beaten a top 15 quarterback yet. Now they have to face the M. MVP favorite. I don't know how people aren't betting Rams hand over fist here, Colin. This is men, women, and children get the hell out of the way. I've got to put my kids' college tuition on the Rams. I like Seattle a lot this year. They've been great. This is a bit of a wake-up call. Okay, you're stepping into the top tier of teams. Like, again, they're not going to be used to

seeing an offense like this. They haven't played anybody good. Right. Well, that's certainly. You like that take, huh? That girl is silenced you. Oh, no, no, no. It's worth consideration, but I don't think you get to 7 and 2 and kind of a weird turnover from 8 and 1. This team Seattle is better on the road and they're tucked up in the Northwest.

They're good. They could be in the NST. New England and Seattle are strangely both tucked up in the corner. Long flights, a lot of travel. They're better on the road. That speaks to a lot. They're both young star quarterbacks, good coaches. I think Seattle's pretty legit. They're very good, yeah.

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the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down, give you context, and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to Sports Slice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 and the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. I'm Stafford, Robertson, with the Joint Task Force Southern Border. Happy Veterans Day and Go Stillies.

Thank you on Veterans Day to all the men and women who serve this great country. How about this one, J. Mack? If I ask you today, next five years, Jordan Love or Caleb Williams, who would you take? Oh, that's a tough one. Oh, boy, why you got to sandbag me and ask me after Jordan Love poops his page? on national television against the Eagles. Caleb would do the same. I would lean Jordan Love, but who's my

offensive coordinator? Can I ask that? No, in the current situation with Ben Johnson and Matt LaFleur, they would have these coaches. They're not in any danger, I don't believe. Who would you take next five years? I'll go Jordan Love. I'm sorry. I would do Caleb. I think he has no... Obviously, you're reactionary. Here was Matt Hasselbeck yesterday

on Caleb and the Ben Johnson relationship. he's a young player and so he's done a great job of improving on the things that he needed to improve on last year i got on here every week and i said he's got bad body language he holds on to the ball too long he takes too many sacks you know stuff like that ben johnson gets hired he basically said the exact same things and caleb to his credit has fixed them he took no sacks again uh this past week he's finding checkdowns he's not checked down charlie he's taking shots down the field but if it's not there on rhythm, protect the team, protect the offensive line, he's getting the ball out. Yeah.

I think he's got a better arm than Jordan Love. I think he's a better athlete. And he's very, very inexpensive for the next four years. Can I ask you, Colin, Trevor Lawrence next five or Caleb Williams? Caleb Williams. I've seen Trevor Lawrence gets hurt, turnover machine. Caleb does not turn the ball over. At this rate, it sounds like you have Caleb Williams projected as like a top 12-ish.

quarterback in the league? Yes, absolutely. Top ten? Let's give me about five more starts. All right, fine, five, final one. Drake May next five years or Caleb? Drake May. Bo Nix or Caleb? Caleb.

Boy, you love you some Caleb Williams. When it's rolling hot, cowherds excited. Another game winning drive for Caleb. He's our guy. Okay, all right, we'll see. J-Mack with the news. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

Let's start with the New York Giants. I should have asked you Jackson Dart or Caleb Williams. But we'll stop it. All right. Let's focus on, listen, we love takes on this show, Colin. This was a great take from a guest on the show, Ian O'Connor. He had an interesting piece about the Giants. So they fired Day Bowl and Joe Shane is the GM,

allegedly responsible to find the next coach. Well, how about this from Ian O'Connor or the Athletic? The Home Run move? would be if the Giants traded for Mike Tomlin. Now, that is an interesting take. It's outside the box. Mike Tomlin would then leave that aging Pittsburgh defense, leave the Aaron Rogers stuff,

and go to the New York Giants to coach up the makings of a good defense on paper, at least. The last time the Giants were great, they hired a successful coach in Jacksonville, Tom Coughlin. So I don't buy this. Let's just do interim coaches. Coordinators, that's not New York. You're getting a lot of this, Pat Schumer and Joe Judge and Aaron Glenn and Adam Gay, so I thought was going to work because Peyton Manning loved him. In the end, if you're going to hire anybody, go get Lane Kiffin, Mike McCarthy,

or Ian O'Connor's suggestion, Mike Thomas. Oh. You got to have a presence in New York. You got to have a presence. Mike Kafka's a nice guy. I made two calls last night. The question is, is he going to be hard enough on play? players, does he have kind of that alpha presence?

A lot of pushback on that. You're into this Tomlin idea, huh? I think it's interesting. I thought, oh, I read it. I love Ian. I read it, and I thought, well, I'd go back and look at the history of New York. It's like Parcells, Tom Coughlin, guys who had been successful head coaches with big, strong, defiant alpha personalities. Look at the screen.

That is ghastly. McAdoo, Shermer, Judge, and Dable, none of them, 500. Going back quite a ways. The other side of the equation, Tomlin, do you think he would leave Pittsburgh? Is this considered an upgrade to go to the New York Giants? Well, they've got their quarterback. You keep saying that, Colin. Are you certain?

Well, here's my thing. Here's my thing. You're going to stay in the AFC, Josh Allen Prime, Lamar Prime, Herbert Prime, Mahomes Prime. Go to the NFC, Jared Gough, Prime. Stafford old. Jalen Hertz prime. Dak slightly out of his prime. If you want to get to Super Bowls, good luck against Mahomes,

Allen, Lamar, Burrow, Herbert. Do you want to get to Super Bowls? Go to the NFC. Stafford's great but old. Darnold's really good, but I'll take facing him over Mahomes, Alan or Lamar. I mean, to me, I got Jackson Dart.

I don't have to worry about that. I'm a defensive coach, so I got my quarterback. I'll the defense up. I'm going to go with it. It's not going to happen, but I love a good interesting outside the box take, and that's good stuff for me.

All right, let's move on to the Denver Broncos, Colin, eight and two record. Yeah, that's the best in the league. However, Bo Nix continues to struggle. You know, that Thursday night game, holy hell, he was bad against the Raiders. Well, Chase Daniel, former NFL quarterback, has chimed in, believes Nix is in a hurry in the pocket.

adding every single throw ball, it's just dying. He's not seeing the field well. This does not bode well going up against the Spagnolo defense that had a week off to prepare for this game. This is a huge game in the division. If the Broncos somehow win this, Colin,

you could just lock up the division. They're not getting caught. They'd be up three games on the Chiefs. I think he, I think Ball looks nervous in the first half. He's pressing. And then I think Sean, Peyton is overcompensating with the calls. You can't have Cortland Sutton,

Evan Ingram, Harvey, J.K. Dobbins, Franklin. You can't have this many good players in offense, and you can't score for three quarters. You think it's that good of a supporting cast? Oh, I think Evan Ingram's super athletic. I think they're receiving corps. Got a bunch of solid guys long can run.

I like both their running backs. O-lines, top three in the league. I'm sorry, Daniel Jones is putting up number one offense in the league with a similar supporting cast with a good old line and very, now I think Jonathan Taylor's better than anybody in the building in Denver,

but the point is you've got to be better than this. You have to be. So the few times I've watched Bow Nix closely when I bet on the Broncos, Colin, the defenses are saying we're going to play the safeties deep because we're not going to get beat on bombs. And I don't think you can matriculate the ball

down the field on a nine-play 80-yard drive. You're going to screw up. And Bo Nix is just like taking the bait. He's like, no, I got something deep. And he keeps chucking these bombs. And they're just not even close to happening. And mims his burner out with a concussion. We don't know if he's going to be back.

I just don't know if I trust Knicks to have one of these ball control drives down the field. Are you seeing him hitting the underneath stuff and reading the defenses? Because Sean Payton, when he had Breeze, that's the Breeze bread and butter. Eight, ten yards over the middle, lock it up. Nicks, I don't know that he can do that right now. It's going to be six to seven quarterbacks draft within the first. two rounds would not be shocked if Denver with their first or second pick, especially their second. You know, maybe they go get first pick, they go get, you know, the best player on the board.

Now all of a sudden, your deep second round, I think they have a second round pick, make sure they do. But if they did, I could see them saying, we'll take Nutsmire, LSU, he dropped the second round. I'm not just telling you, it may not be their first pick, but I can see them, Sean Payton going, my second pick, I'm going to look at the board very carefully. Hold on. First of all, forgetting us, Meyer, he got benched last weekend. That being said, hold on, hold on. You were crowning bone nicks, man.

And now you're like, oh, man, I'm not seeing it in year, too. One thing you know about me is move off stuff if it doesn't work. Don't try to convince yourself, your eyes are lying to you. I thought he was a great fit. 61 college starts made the playoffs last year. But the team is better, and he is noticeably worse. he is pressing. Peyton's compensating.

There is no rhythm. I'm just, you know, now could it be sophomore blues? I'm not saying they trade him. I'm just saying, don't be shocked. Second or third pick. Denver's like, we're going to get some competition in the building.

Interesting. Interesting. We might have to ask your guy, Cocell, what the hell is going on with Bo Nix ahead of this matchup? Because I got to be honest, I want to take the four and a half, Colin. With the Broncos at home?

Yeah, I get it. I kind of want to take that. Okay. Third story. Yes. Yes, yes, it's LeBron James, the object of your scorn lately. He's got that sciatica issue. Anyway, he's set to practice with the Lakers G League affiliate.

Lakers are fine without him. Eighth game of the season last night, and they got the dub. Colin, after the win, here's Austin Reeves talking about the excitement of what LeBron will bring back to the lineup. I've told him he should play a game. It would just be funny. but with South Bay. But can't wait for him to come back. Obviously, it's LeBron James.

He's, you know, in my opinion, the greatest player to ever touch of basketball. And he knows when he comes back, like, you know, this is how I can help the team. And obviously it's LeBron. You know, he's going to help the team and whatever he does because he's so good. But, you know, he's a super competitor. Can't wait to get him back. All right, your touches are going to get cut in half. Oh, stop.

They are. All right. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Greg Olson, hour three, don't go anywhere. It's The Herd.

Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. On Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, huge news? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it.

We just contributed to a... We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how did we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Oh, we were thinking I'm originally calling it

one of the early names of our band before Jonas Brothers. This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing. a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, S&L's Mikey Day and headwriter, Streeter Seidel,

help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and friends on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen, kingdom on earth.

He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering. Armenian businessman catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back. Ferraris and Lamborghinis, private jets, meeting the president of Turkey. I'm Michelle McPhee, and this is one of the most shocking criminal conspiracies I've ever come across. When Jacob met Levin this plant to a billion dollar fraud. But with two kings from entirely different worlds, just how long can their empire survive?

The largest tax investigation in American history. You need to tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Jacob told Levan, you're ruining my life. Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque.

Others say it's unleashing human potential. Either way, the podcast's Superhuman documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. Highlights are trending, opinions are flying, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. Every episode, we're cutting through the noise. Breaking down the plays, the controversies, and the stories behind the headlines. We go straight to the source, the athletes themselves. Their locker room stories, their reactions, the stuff nobody gets to hear. The laughs, the drama, the triumphs, the moments that never make the highlight real. From viral moments to historic games, from buzzer beaters to controversial calls, we break it down,

give you context and ask the questions everybody wants answered. Sports Slice brings you closer to the action with stories told by the people who live them. Listen to SportsLice on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. And for more, follow Timbo Slic Life 12 in the TikTok podcast network on TikTok. Hey, this is Master's Sergeant Jessica Zulman with the 130th field artillery brigade and camping here of John Kuwait. I want to give a shout out to all my brothers and sisters in arms and wish you a happy Veterans Day. Fox Sports Salutes, those who serve. nobly, the effort, the dignity of our armed forces, thank you.

Herd hierarchy on Tuesdays, I bring it back. Some people say, where's Buffalo? Where's Green Bay? I can't put you in the top 10 if you don't have an identity through 60% of the season. What's Green Bay's identity? Offensively, they have not. And Buffalo can't stop the run. If the Colts are the 10th best team in the league, and I think they are.

9th or 10th. How in the world could I have Buffalo in there? The Colts may have a ceiling to their identity, but they are a run-first offense that is tremendous at ball control, tremendous at yards after the catch. I know what the Colts are. Every team on that list, I know what their strengths are and their liabilities. Buffalo just has a great quarterback. Green Bay has a really good roster. I just don't feel I have any identity with the Buffalo Bills, and that's my knock. I mean, they can't stop the run, which I think is the first way to get beat. I said if the Colts hosted the bills in a playoff game, I take the Colts.

Because I think they would run for 200 yards, and I think Josh Allen would have an uneven game based on he'd trail, he'd have to throw, there'd be long stretches where he was watching the game as the Colts dominate. time of possession. I think knowing what you are is so valuable, not only in games, but over a season, because every team has injuries, every team has slumps, you know, every team has rough stretches. So when you're in those, okay, we got to go back to what we are. The Colts this week. I mean, the Colts lose at Pittsburgh get blown out. They come back against Atlanta. What do the Colts do? They ask themselves, what are we? Run first physical up front team. And what did

they do. Jonathan Taylor, almost 250 yards rushing. When you lose, you're in a slump, you have injuries. You got to know what to go back to. Buffalo's like, well, Josh Allen's good. It's not a top 10 team to me. Hour 3, Greg Olson's coming up. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas

brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions, because We're sick and tired of being asked questions.

Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smigel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier.

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I'm Michelle McPhee, and I've been unraveling the strangest criminal alliance I've ever reported on. A Mormon polygamist and an Armenian businessman. Multi-million dollar house, Ferraris and Lamborghinis. Private Jets, a billion dollar fraud. But how long can this alliance last? Tell me what you know. Is somebody coming after me? Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind. And nobody's telling you exactly what happened. That's where Sports Slice comes in. I'm Timbo. And every episode, we're cutting through the noise, breaking down the biggest. moments in sports and giving you the real story behind the headline. And we're going straight to the source, the athletes themselves, their locker room stories, their reactions in the moment,

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