The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - NFL Week 13 Blazing 5, Joel Klatt talks Ohio State vs. Michigan, Thanksgiving Quarterback Tables

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

Colin gives his new Blazing 5 picks for week 13 of the NFL. He talks with FOX College Football Analyst Joel Klatt about the rivalry between Ohio State and Michigan, Notre Dame being ahead of Miami in the CFP rankings, and where Ole Miss HC Lane Kiffin will be coaching next season.Plus, inn the spirit of Thanksgiving, Colin gives a list of NFL QBs who are sitting at the big table and which are sitting at the kids table.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Blazing 5 is 60% on the nose this year. If we could maintain that, be very, very happy. Very, very happy. There's a lot to talk about with Joel. clad. He doesn't like the Lane Kiffin manipulation of Old Miss, and my take is always, reputations in college football

are based on one thing. Are you available? Are you good coach? Two things. Are you available? Can you coach? You'll get a job. Was Brian Kelly ever in Charms School? He got the LSU gig. I mean, it felt so weird.

He got it. LSU, Florida, yeah, we'll take that old Miss guy. I mean, not like Lane Kiven at the best reputation, before LSU was interested. Lane can coach. He's really good. It's an offensive sport now. All right, here we go.

60% in the year, Blazing 5 on a Wednesday. Let's go. Let's blaze it up. Fire it up. It's Collins blazing fire. Packers and Lions. Listen, two good teams. I'm going to take the home team on Thanksgiving, historically home.

teams do well, Lions minus two and a half is my side. They've won six other left, eight against Green Bay. They match up well. And since Dan Campbell took over play calling, Detroit leads the NFL in the last three weeks in yards per play. It's a different offense with Dan. Their defense generally pretty good at home. The Packers, their three road wins have come against Arizona, Pittsburgh, and the Giants. Let's slow down. But here's more troubling. Jordan Lowe's. since Tucker Kraft got hurt. Fewer than 200 passing yards, the team's averaging 19 points. Two good teams, I'll take Detroit to win and cover 28 to 24.

49ers at Browns. I love this line. I'll take Cleveland plus six and a half. First of all, the Browns at home, excellent defense. And probably the most underrated roster in the league, Miles Garrett has 13 sacks the last month. No other player has more than 13 the entire season. Good luck Niners.

Brock Purdy, multiple interceptions in four of his last five starts, and it's going to be windy and snowy conditions. He has struggled with ball security in crappy weather. I also think this team is overly reliant on Christian McCaffrey. How much gas does Christian have in the tank? I think we saw enough from Chatur. I'm going to take a close game either way. Let's say the Niners win late, but I like the points.

2420 San Francisco take six and a half. Saints and Dolphins. I actually really like the Dolphins here. They're coming off a buy. They've won three out of the last four games. Credit Mike McDaniel. They're playing hard. They're running the ball.

Two of back-to-back games, over 70% completion percentage. Miami got rid of their GM. They didn't lose their fight. They didn't lose their passion. The defense back-to-back games has played well. I like Miami a lot in this spot. New Orleans, probably the worst offense in the league, held under 20 points in six straight games.

Again, smart offensive coach, at home, off a by, against the tire fire. I'm going to take the dolphins to win, and the Miami Dolphins playing pretty darn well to cover. 33 to 23. Cardinals at Buccaneers. The buck stops here. Tampa gets Bucky Irving and Chris Godwin back officially for multiple snaps. I like Tampa to win in cover. Listen, they're not playing well, but they average 27 a game at home. And, you know, the losses were to Patriots, Bills, Rams. Those are good teams.

Bucky Irving's back. Chris Godwin played limited snaps last week. He's ready to go. And the Cardinals, one and eight since week three. Arizona's got some quit in them. We're scoring defense over the last three weeks. Not a lot here to like. Buccaneers, easier opponent, at home, win and cover the spread. I like Tampa 27 to 20. Vikings at Seahawks. The line now is not the best of the line.

Nine and a half, ten and a half, I'll take Seattle. They've outgained 10 straight opponents. They played like garbage in the second half defensively. They still win last week against Tennessee. Few as sacks allowed on offense so Brian Flores can blitz all he wants. They're a really high-end offensive team with the fourth most sacks in the league. They're at home of kind of a cruddy defensive performance. The Vikings offense, most turnovers in the NFL, they're starting an undrafted rookie.

They've been held under 20 points in four of their last. five games. There's nothing about Minnesota outside of their coaches that I really like right now. Seattle is going to win. It's in the Pacific Northwest. 30 to 13. Actually, and I don't, I shouldn't say this because twice this year I didn't love the numbers and went four and one. I like, I like my picks. Lions, dolphins, Seattle and Tampa as favorites. I'm going to take Cleveland plus the points. J. Max Grimising will find his picks in about two hours. His picks in two hours. Joel Klatte will be calling Ohio State and Michigan Saturday at noon Eastern on Fox. So last year, even though I really admire Ryan Day and like him a lot, I think he's a great football

coach. I did think he outfought the room. I think he'd been pushed around by Michigan and in the Midwest, there's a different kind of stylistic approach, and he's like, we're going to punch Michigan in the mouth. And it's like, just throw the ball. You got great players. Just play your game. And I think he played Michigan's game, you know, fooled around, played with his food a little bit, and it caught him. They got a little tight late. I think if at least Carnell Tate can play, I think Ohio State is the significantly better team here. Do you believe that? Well, I mean, Yes, they're the better team, and that's why the spread is where it was. But they were, I would think, better by a wider margin a year ago.

I mean, they were 20-point favorites a year ago. You know, so to your point, they got sucked into a game that was Michigan's game. I firmly believe, I think Will Howard got banged up early in that game last year. I firmly believe that Ryan and his coaching staff felt like a field goal would win the game because they didn't feel like Michigan with their quarterback play was going to be able to score. on their defense. And so here's Ohio State. They get into the red zone five times last year and come away with 10 total points. That was the game. Two missed field goals, interception in the red zone. So those mistakes are what ultimately cost them the game. And they could have played the exact same

style. Now, I think what they learned from that was what they then put into action for the playoff. And Colin, you and I both know that that Buckeye team in the playoff was a different team and they were aggressive down the field. You look at what they did early in that game against Tennessee. at home in the first round. They took shots to Jeremiah Smith. They used Smith early and often against Oregon where they were routing them in the first half of that Rose Bowl. And those are the lessons that I think need to come into play

this week for Ohio State. Be themselves. Attack. Attack down the field. And obviously the health of those wide receivers is a bit in question. I remain optimistic that they'll both be on the field. I think their effectiveness is more the question than their availability. I think Smith will be on the field.

I think Tate will be on the field. But are they 100%? Can they attack those safeties of Michigan down the field and cause them some level of threat? I think that's really where the game is won and loss for Ohio State. So, listen, I think Notre Dame is better than Miami now. And I think college football is about 30 to 35% NFL now. September just doesn't matter like it used to. I said this before the Ohio State Texas game. If it's close, I don't care who wins.

I said it about Oregon, Ohio State the year before. If it's close, it doesn't matter. They scheduled it. I'm proud of both schools for scheduling it. You step up to the table. I love that. My biggest knock on college football has always been a lack of people willing to play, you know, go to Columbus out of conference or go to Norman, Oklahoma.

So, like, my feeling is Notre Dame is better than Miami today. And ugly losses are really, that's one thing that usually the people on these tables and these boards get right. you can't lose to unranked teams if you're a top 510 team. So I'm okay with a much improved team by an inch better than Miami. Miami still has to beat Pitt. But I know you are probably bothered deeply about the current rankings that has Notre Dame over. I'm not bothered.

I think, listen, I think that two things can be true at once. You know, if the committee's objective is just to give us the best teams and they ask themselves in the room, who wins on a neutral site this week. Yeah. I'd pick Notre Dame. Yeah. You know, so like in that respect, do I disagree with the ranking? No.

But the committee is setting themselves up for a bit of a trap. And that trap is the head-to-head match up against Miami. Because if we're not honoring games on the field, then what are we doing? You know, then why are we playing them? Then let's just sit there and have a beauty pageant and look at the recruiting rankings and, you know, look at the rosters and the way that they're constructed and how many stars each of you know so i don't want to get into a beauty pageant either there's also another trap that this committee is falling into and and it's not honoring those non-conference games that that you just talked about

now i do want to clarify just something really quickly because the miami notre dame game is part of the acc scheduling agreement that notre dame has so that's a little bit out of their control what i would say is is more impressive is that they also scheduled texas a and m when you've got this team in michigan that's sitting there at 15 and they're in like the bottom of the two lost teams and yet one of their losses is at Oklahoma. They scheduled that game, did not buy out of that game, and played it. And the committee is not honoring that right now. See, I think that they should view Michigan's resume more favorably

because of that non-conference matchup against Oklahoma. So the trap that the committee is setting themselves right now is if they're just going to go by eye test and say, well, who wins on a neutral site this weekend, then they're not going to honor head-to-head, and they're also going to devalue non-conference blue-blood opponents, which is bad for the sport moving forward. Totally agree. It's a tough position because, again, I don't disagree with the ranking,

but it also speaks to kind of the brokenness of the nature of this thing. I don't think that we should have a selection-based playoff. I think we should have an access-based playoff so we can remove some of this ambiguity and the problems that exist in trying to place and rank teams in this fashion. So I try not to be a hypocrite. In my career, as America's honesty broker, I have bounced around the country for better jobs. Okay, so I'm not going to be a hypocrite when somebody is highly mobile in their career. So everybody's like, hey, Lane Kiffin is going to tarnish his reputation.

His reputation has always been, you have a job, I'll travel. You can fire me in a tarmac. I'll leave you on one. I mean, he was fired on a tarmac. Right. So my take is, Brian Kelly never went to charm school. LSU's like, he's available. Let's go get him.

College football has become more NFL. It's cutthroat. LSU's like, what do we care about Ole Miss? He's the best coach in the country. I don't think it hurts Lane Kiffin. I feel bad for Ole Miss because I really do think I don't think they're as good as Ohio State. I think they could beat Oregon.

I think they could beat Georgia. I think they could beat Indiana, maybe. So I'm more bothered that I selfishly. I want to see Ole Miss in the playoff with Kiffin. Because I think they can beat everybody except Ohio State. That's my problem. Not the somebody wants me. I'm going to go.

Okay. So there's like I think eight things that you just said that I disagree with. I'm trying to remember all of them. Let me try my best. First of all, let me ask you a question. In all of your movement, and you did. You've moved around. You've worked at multiple networks and done different things and more power to you.

That agency is great for you and your family, and I don't begrudge that. At any point, did you leave in the middle of a contract? I left early, and yeah, I left six months early. I also started negotiating with another company, two companies, nine months before I was allowed to. Okay, so you're just revealing your character to all of America here. I would say this about Lane. Lane has been given a lot of cover. And I like Lane, and he's very good for college football.

He's great for college football. Yes. And Colin, he is a very good coach. He's not one of the best coaches in America, though. He has not been to a playoff. He happens to be a big fish right now in a small pond, and it's advantageous for him because of that. There's big jobs open and a really weak class of coaches

or pool of coaches that are candidates. Part of the reason why there is a weak pool of candidates is because there are other coaches that are unwilling to do what Lane is doing, which is leave a team in the middle of a playoff run. That cannot be overstated. You see, he's wanting to lament, and those that run cover for him, you know,

want to lament the calendar. And while they are correct, the calendar is clearly broken in college football. We do 30 minutes on the calendar right here. I agree with that take. The problem is, is that it's the same calendar for Dan Lanting at Oregon. It's the same calendar for Kurt Signetti at Indiana and Mike Elko at Texas A&M and Rhettles at SMU. And yet they, with their agency, chose to stay where they're at. Okay?

And stay within their playoff run. And you could make a strong argument that Ret Lashley and Kurt Signetti could be looking at their spots, Indiana and SMU, and think to themselves, I'd tell you what, grass is probably greener at Florida or LSU. Meanwhile, Lane has turned Ole Miss into a premier program in the SEC. I would make the argument he doesn't have to leave. This is not college football of 10 years ago where you have to be at one of three or four places in order to compete for and win a national championship. That's fair. He doesn't have to leave. And my last point would just be as a coach, when you stand in front of your players,

your currency is your credibility. And your credibility with those players is tied directly to your character. The only thing they care about is how much you care about them. And if he does this and he leaves, which it looks like he's going to, it looks like he's going to LSU,

he will destroy his credibility in front of what team that he stands in front of can he say like, hey, commit to me and choose, you know, lay down yourself and let's commit to something bigger than ourselves and let's go achieve something great. In the back of their minds, they're going to be like, well, what if something better pops up for you, Lane? What if the Dallas Cowboys call? Are you going to leave us in the middle of

a playoff run? Because he's the play caller at Ole Miss. He decimates that program and that offense and their opportunity to win at the top level if he leaves. So that's all I would say is, listen, I like Lane. I think he's great for the sport. But this excuse that the calendar is forcing him into this decision is wrong. The calendar is the same for all the other coaches in the country, which have said that they will stay and committed to the places that they've been in. He's doing a disservice to the players he's coaching now currently, and I feel bad for him. My only disagreement there is you say coaches stand in front of players and ask for commitment. No, in 2025 stand in front of players with envelopes full of cash and hand it to them,

because that's what the sport is. It has become more transactional. I will give you that. That's what it is. And this is not an easy scenario. I will give you that. But at the end of the day, you know, he's the one that has to stand and look in front of the mirror. And if he does this, by the way, he will be authoring one of what was now the five messiest exits in football coaching history. Al Davis with the overhead projector, Tennessee leaves in the middle of the night. They riot their burning couches, throwing them outside of the balconies, tarmac at USC.

remember Nick Saban didn't want to deal with Lane waffling back and forth about the FAU job so he said beat it before the national championship game didn't even let him call plays in the national championship game so I don't like this has been a trend for him yeah no no it's listen I have I I've said I wouldn't do all this stuff I you know I even have friends at the old place yeah I don't like sloppy exits

I don't like it but I think college football needs to create I mean, you can't go rob the chiefs of Andy Reid during the playoffs. College football has needed a czar. Oh, yeah. That's why you have seen. And that's why I started with that. Like, I agree the calendar is broken. We need to fix that.

There's no doubt. I just don't want that to run cover for what I feel like is a poor decision. Okay, so let me defend Lincoln, Riley, first. If he beats UCLA and wins a bowl game, they go 11 and 3, losing two of their three losses are at Notre Dame and at Oregon. I'm sorry, but that's not a bad season when they return almost all of their top players. I mean, they really have a good recruiting class, their O-line, their D-line come back. If they beat UCLA should, and if they win a bowl game over a whoever, Utah, something like that.

The downside is, I think I can also say this. Four years in, when they play the best teams, the special teams are often a disaster, and the defense is mid and I'm being kind with mid. What are they? And I just think four years in, yeah, the offense was clever with Lincoln, the first day he was there.

That's never changed. But the defense and special teams in big games feels below average. What are they? Is that a fair criticism? I think it's totally fair. I think that they're better than what they were last year, certainly.

They've gone from losing those close games to winning a lot of those close games, but at the top end, they're not competing like you would hope they would compete when they face a team like Notre Dame or Oregon. And I think they would lament not closing out that Illinois game, which they had the lead late in that Illinois game on the road. And they couldn't stop the run in that game. They've got to get better, more physical and more stout in the middle of their defense.

The defensive line is young and will be better next year. Yes, yes. And they're very good, I think, in the coming years on the defensive line, they've got to get better at linebacker and more stout. Yeah, they're weak, actually. That is an area of weakness that it has to turn around. Now, with this number one recruiting class that they've got, I do still believe that that's an upward trajectory. They couldn't get to 11 wins. I don't believe.

They can get to 9 potentially in the regular season. They could go 9 and 3 and then maybe a 10th win in the bowl game. Yeah, my bet. I said 11. It's 10. I mean, but 10 wins to your point, like that's a huge, mark of demarcation in college football that still means something and certainly would mean progress at USC in particular with the class that they've got coming in next year. So I still believe that

they're on an upward trajectory, but there are clear areas where if they don't fix, then this will continue to happen. If they don't fix the interior of their defense in particular at linebacker, this will continue to happen because those teams that they're playing, the Michigan's, the Ohio, I know they beat Michigan, but Ohio states of the world, the Oregon's of the world, Those teams are elite and will be elite every single year. Yeah. All right, good stuff. We just, listen, I know you can't make predictions.

I think Ohio State 30 to 13. And I think if as long as one of them can play, one of their great receivers can play, I think this defense, I love Underwood, I love Marsh, and I, you know, I was a big hardball guy. But boy, this, I'm telling you right now that Julian Sand doesn't make mistakes. Doesn't. And that defense is, that is a top five college defense. You can go back to Steve Atman in Washington.

Nick Saban had a defense. In 2011, they were great in 2011. Yeah. Georgia in 21 was exceptional. You know, this is an all-time defense. Yep. I can't wait. And I can't wait either.

And by the way, it's supposed to be just like prototypical weather. 30 with snow flurries. Let's go. Hey, by the way, I just want to make it clear. Just because I left the other place early, I've changed. I am now only committed to Fox, I heart, and Joel Klat. No, no, I disagree. I see you out there.

You've got other college football guys that you've got on whatever you're doing everywhere else. And I'm like, okay, I feel, you know, I feel a little cheated on, Colin. I'll be honest, but that's all right. That's all right. I know I disagree. I can be disagreeable at times. It's my favorite part of you, actually. Have a great time. I can't wait to watch. Yeah, happy Thanksgiving to you, your whole staff, everybody listening.

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We're going to go at the end of the hour, take all these young quarterbacks. Some are still at the kids table. At some point, all of us in life graduate to the adults table. Where is Jackson Dart? Cam Ward. Where is Shadur Sanders? We'll have that in about 15 minutes. First, J-Mack with the news.

No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. I would assume JJ McCarthy's probably eating with the dog outside, right? Something like that. Anyways, all right, let's get started with the Chiefs. They're playing on Thanksgiving. I did not know this.

It's the first time in Patrick Mahomes' career he will be playing on Thanksgiving. Casey visits Dallas. I got some fun stuff on this game later on, Colin, in headlines. I think he'll be surprised. Mahomes is from Texas. He's going to have a lot of friends and family at Jerry World, probably looking to put on a show, reportedly 50 people. Wow.

In the Mahomes orbit will be at the game. Here he is talking about the excited Thanksgiving game. You grew up watching Thanksgiving games, no matter who you're a fan of. If it's the Lions, the Cowboys, or whoever's playing at night. I mean, you grew up watching those games. And so I think that kid in me wants to be able to go out there and play on Thanksgiving and find a way to win. And obviously, short week, we're grinding in here right now and getting the whole game plan in

and making sure everybody's prepared and ready to go. But I think we're excited to get to go out there and play on Thanksgiving against a really good football team and the whole world watching. Yeah, I think it's a good game. I think you have one really, really good defense, one emerging defense, one excellent offense, and one offense that's pretty good at home, not as good in the road. I think it comes out. I think it's a very, very good football game.

It's hard for me to take Kansas City, I think of the better team, but it is hard for me to take them with the hook. Dallas, home, getting the hook. I probably take the Cowboys again. I regretted not taking them against Philly because you talked me into it and I was going to do it and it was the last game I dropped and I made a mistake.

Yeah, I don't think the Chiefs have won on the road since like the Tyreek Hill era. They're really struggling on the road. Now, how about this, Colin? I'll give you a little teaser here. So I just looked at the Chief's schedule this season. They have struggled on the road. Can you believe this is their first indoor game

of the football season? First indoor game on the fast track. finally, Worthy Rice could be, so the over got smashed earlier this week. I don't know where it is now, but I got 52. This could be one of these like, holy hell, it's 40, 37

kind of games. Because we haven't seen Worthy do anything recently, but then you look and it's like, oh, it's all outdoor games. He doesn't have that super edge. So I'm very excited for this game. Next up, Colin, listen, the Lane Kiffin saga. We followed this very closely. Yesterday, Urban Meyer

stopped by and gave his opinion. on what Lane Kiffitt should do. Here's what he said. This is uncharted waters, though, to leave a team that could potentially and you tell me other than Ohio State maybe, you have A&M, Ohio State, Indiana, I'm telling you, Ole Miss is right there.

How do you walk in that meeting and say, hey, guys, I'm not only leaving, I'm going to be playing you next year. You know, I don't know. Good take. So when Signetti left JMU for Indiana, He brought all his guys with him. Yeah.

All I keep hearing about LSU, you recruit, you get the best guys. Would Lane even bring his guys from Ole Miss? Or would he just go get five-star guys? I think he'd bring Ed Orgeron on as the, he would, as the defensive line coach or defensive coordinator. So I'll give my take. If they win this game, the Egg Bowl, I think he stays. If they lose, it makes it much easier to leave

because they're not a lock for the playoff, Colin, if they lose this game. And that game is a five, six points. spray. I thought I saw seven. Wow. Maybe it's going down. But listen, you can't just walk in to Stark Vegas and expect to get a dub on Black

Friday. This is a tough one for Lane. I mean, listen, you've jumped around. You keep talking about the whole place. Well, I mean, I coaches. What was the mindset in the shows before you had a big decision to make? Because I don't know, is Lane locked in this week? Or is you looking at a real estate?

For me, it's always, is it good for the family? Is it good for the trajectory of the career? If it's too text, then it's gone. It is good for the career, good for the career, good for. the family. You know, usually family first. I say, Ann, are you willing? Okay. Is it good for the career? Boom. To me, that's, and this is a better job, comes down to the family. I mean, that's, I'm not saying I know I'm doing it right or wrong. I'm just saying nobody cares about, I'll be a legend at Ole Miss. That's not what people care about. That I don't buy that.

So, final question on this. Like, are you, I know you root for chaos. That's your phrase, right? Interesting. What are you rooting for here? What's the most interesting? Because I think we disagree. I want Ole Miss to get to the national championship against Ohio State. With Lane Kiffin or without? Yeah, with Lane Kippen.

I'm rooting for him to stay. Also kind of a middle finger to LSU. You guys, you get your act together. No thank you. I want no part of that. Final story, Colin, let's go back to Lamar Jackson. And, you know, listen, the running numbers for this guy are staggering. It's almost like, is he old?

And then you look at his age. You're like, he's not even close to 30. Colin, these numbers are really bad. This season, in eight starts, he's averaging 29 rushing yards per game. And he's getting sacked more. So is it less about he doesn't want to run and get hurt, or is he just not as fleet of foot as he used to be? Look on the screen there.

He was rarely getting sacked. He's not as elusive as he was before. He is hurt, and players don't like to advertise they are hurt. Brock Purdy is not 100%. Those interceptions on Monday, those balls had no velocity at all. Brock's not going to go, yeah, I'm not 100%. He's not that kind of kid. Either is Lamar.

They're both, obviously, Brock and Lamar are not at 100%. And I'm a bigger Lamar fan than a Brock fan, but go watch the Brock pretty interceptions on YouTube. All of them are behind the receiver and hang in the air. He didn't have a Josh Allen arm, but Brock's got a better arm than that. Brock's hurt. So do you believe on Monday the take will be, man, Ravens, they could not beat the Bengals, they couldn't get separation, they're out of the Super Bowl bubble, or holy cow, the Ravens woke up, Lamar was just sandbagging everybody, and the Ravens kind of put it on the Bengals. I don't think they put it on them. I think it's a division game, and I'll take, you know, 26, 20 or 28, 24.

I would take the dog, but I think it's a very competitive divisional game, and I can't wait to watch Burrell. life. J. Mac with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. There's all these young quarterbacks. There's Jackson Dart.

There's Caleb Williams. There's Bo Nix. There's J.J. McCarthy. There is Drake May. There is Bryce Young. There is Cam Ward. There's Shadour Sanders. We all grow up eating the kids' table.

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But it's all centered. College football is about the coach. Pro football is about the quarterback. And we've got a lot of young quarterbacks. Thanksgiving's tomorrow. They all start week one in the NFL as rookies at the kids table until they graduate to the Stafford table. Or they graduate to the Justin Herbert or the Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen table. So J-Mac, let's determine kids' table or adult table for these young signal callers.

All right, Colin, you ready for this? Here we go. Will it be the kids' table or the big quarterback table for Drake May? He has already pivoted to the big quarterback table. Listen, he's better than even people who liked him thought. Leads the NFL in completion percentage at a remarkable 71 percent. Best record in the NFL already has well-overed. over 3,000 yards.

Right now, he feels like a top 6, 7 quarterback today in the league, durable, big, accurate winning. So we're crowning him. Okay, I like it. All right, kids table or big quarterback table for Jackson Dart? He's still at the kids table. J-Mack, in eight games, he's checked into the blue tent four times. He's already, you know, he leads quarterbacks in Russia attempts, which I am a fan of young quarterbacks

using their athletic ability and feet to move the chains as they grow. But right now from the pocket, still have my doubts. He's a risk taker. He moves well. A lot of confidence. Probably one more Thanksgiving from moving,

you know, to a glass of wine. All right. Well, this one's going to divide the audience. Kids table or big quarterback table for your guy, Caleb Williams. He's at the big boy team. Come on.

Four and O in November, one of three quarterbacks with 30 touchdown passes and 10 or fewer interceptions over the last two years. You want to hear the other ones? Stafford, Lamar, and your guy, Jalen Hertz. Caleb Williams is comfortably sitting next to Grandpa. Oh, my God, that is troubling. Kids table or big quarterback table for Bo Nix, your other best friend. Come on.

Adult table. Not even... I mean, nine total touchdowns in the fourth quarter, ranked second in the league, leads the NFL with eight game-winning drive last two seasons. Top ten in wins, passing yards, touchdown passes. I mean, come on. He's getting the leg. You're the teacher I wish I had in like 11th grade biology.

Kids table or big quarterback table for Bryce Young. too inconsistent. I'm sorry, you watched it Monday. He shrank in a big spot. I'm sorry, he's a great kid. But you, very early on, you were like, you were like, he doesn't look the part. 90 or worst passer rating in nine of his 11 starts. And I like his coach. And Rico Dattle, he's got a couple of young, but very talented wide receivers. Their defense is better. But he is 12 and 27 since he entered the league. Kids table. Not great. We should probably skip this one, But we'll do it anyway. Kids table or big quarterback table for J.J. McCarthy.

Well, in the second and third quarters this year, he has a 27 passer rating. So I don't even want to be mean. Kids table. In fact, the other kids let him go first and pick. He's struggling. I feel bad for the kid. He's struggling. It's early.

He'll turn it around. Kids table or big quarterback table for Cam Ward. I'm going to put him at the big boy table. I think he's really talented. I think he's not getting any help. He's the most sack quarterback. They fired their coach. Reminds me a lot of a less talented Chicago bear mess last year.

The Bears had more players. I think Cam Ward's good. Like last weekend, it's finally coming around. But last year, Caleb, everybody said he was terrible. 20 touchdown six picks. This was a multiple touchdown game against the Seahawks. Ran, he's growing on me. Now, I'm not saying he gets the stuffing.

last. He's not getting the mashed potatoes first at the adult table. But I'm going to put him there. I think he's, I see some potential startup. Yeah, I agree. Finally, kids table or big quarterback table for Shadur Sanders? Neither.

We're putting him in a new table. The legendary table. Every quarterback. Oh. Wait, is that a high chair? No. Legendary. Hey, led the NFL last week, yards per attempt. Wow. Last week.

You know what? I took some of the motif on his draft room, legendary. I just moved it over to Thanksgiving. Did you just use motif on a sports show? Oh, my gosh. Coward in his bag here. Listen, the Shedor, the Shedorhive online is coming after you for this. Boy, damn, that is. I will say this. You know my rule on quarterbacks. If your college problem is your NFL problem, you're in trouble. Johnny Mansell ran around too much.

You watch them in the pros. You're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, that stuff is not going to work. Caleb Williams struggled with accuracy, struggles in the NFL. It's my only criticism of them. Got to be a little bit more accurate. Yeah. Does the legendary table eat before the kids table or no? You know, it's somewhere in between.

Okay. All right. All right. They do serve wine at the legendary table. Oh, really? Wine, all right. Not at the kids' table. Okay.

Okay. All right. But here's what I'd say about Shador Sanders. The opposite is also true. When I watched him last week, I saw Colorado Shadour, and I thought Colorado Shadur was a mid-first, mid-second round pick. He moves better than anybody gives him credit for. Stop saying he's a pocket quarterback.

He has a couple spin moves. He moves. He's not as quarterback. quick to me as like a bow knicks he's not quite that twitchy but he's a good athlete he has a average to average plus arm by the way on the deep throws accurate and it does help i will say this i know in cleveland everybody's banging on stefansky but one of the things j mack that you and i can't argue about it has been a clear advantage to have an offensive coach if you're a rookie Bonex, Caleb Williams.

Okay, Rahim Morris, that's who Mike Penix gets. Right now you can say- Well, how come Pennix is indeed? He's not even invited to Thanksgiving. Well, he's hurt. He's hurt. I don't know what to do with that. So I need to ask you.

So Bryce Young, who's in multiple years in the league, couldn't do anything against a Robert Sala defense. If Shadur goes out and has a passable game against Sala and the Niners, then there's your answer. People are going to freak out. People are going to be like, this is your starter next year. So just be ready for that because Sunday the slate is not great. the good teams are fired on Thanksgiving Day.

So Shadur could have a game against Sala at home. It's inclement weather, so maybe that's, maybe that'll throw a wrinkle in that. Yeah, I think, I feel like some of the Shadur stuff is a little bit like Tebow. People are talking about conspiracy theories. He's got a very fanatical, you know, following. It's very tribal. The difference is I think Shadur throws an NFL ball. I think, I think Tebow was always a little bit.

in terms of athletic ability, a little overstated. I think Shadur's athletic ability is understated. And the other thing about Shadur that I like, I think he's too goofy and playful for me. I wish he was a little more serious. What is he? 23 years old? Well, but we've always said, it's not fair, but I do need my cornerbacks to be grown-ups.

I don't care about any interposition. There are certain things in life. If you're working in the ICU in a hospital and you're 24, you can't be at senior frogies the night before knocking down. 12 tequila. I need you to be a grown-up. There are pilot. You can't be out at the bar night before if you're 25-year-old pilot. Pilot, surgeons, quarterbacks. I'm sorry, it's unfair. You have to be more mature. That's part of it, right? Surgeon, pilot, quarterback. You have to be a different 24. So two occupations that literally save lives and then a quarterback

who throws a pigskin. Yeah. Yeah, okay, that makes sense. Another one of my analogies that nailed it. All right, our number three. Coming up, Funnel Wednesday. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin.

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