The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Nobody is trying to sabotage Shedeur Sanders, the Chiefs are done, Philip Rivers coming back at the age of 44, Mark Schlereth

Episode Date: December 10, 2025

Colin talks to Mark Schlereth about how Shedeur Sanders so far this season, the suffocating defense of the Texans, the Broncos great run this season, the Chiefs fall from grace, and more He gives his thoughts on Philip Rivers coming out of retirement at the age of 44 to play for the Colts  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or F-S-R. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's our two-in-a-w Wednesday. Flying through it, baby. Live in L.A. Warm L.A. I was down in M.B. last night, J. Mack.

Your territory. I'm about ready to call you and Luke and have a game of basketball in the backyard. Lucas got a newborn. He can't hang. You've got about six kids. You can't either. I do not have six kids. You actually do.

The old blended action. All right. So I've said before, I've kind of rooting for the Buffalo Bills to win a Super Bowl for two reasons. The city deserves it. My wife used to work in HR. She was always like nicest people in the world in Buffalo. And it's just like I just root for like the Cubs to win a World Series. It's like, come on.

Great fans, Waveland Avenue, Wrigley Field. I mean, there is very little. I was just talking to somebody about this yesterday. if Wrigley Field was over in Europe, everybody would be like, oh, once in your life, you've got to fly to Europe and go to Wrigley. It's unbelievable. I now live in Chicago most of the time.

It's incredible. And so you root for the Cubs. I root for Buffalo. But Josh Allen, this should be the year, the moment in time he wins. Mahomes may not make the playoffs. Burroughs not going to make the playoffs. Lamar Jackson may not make the playoffs.

Justin Herbert's just trying to make the playoffs. Justin Herbert's just trying to stay alive with that offensive line. This should be the year. But I don't think they're going to do it. And I think it reminds me he just won AFC player of the week third time this year. This reminds me of John Elway with Denver. John Elway had a lot of good teams. He was the most talented quarterback for a decade, his generation.

And Dan Reeves was a good coach. Mike Shanahan was a better fit and a great coach. They had to upgrade from a really good coach, and he had to get Terrell Davis. And then John Elway, instead of getting blown out in Super Bowl, started winning them. That's where I feel we are with Josh Allen. I like Sean McDermott. He's Dan Reeves. It's an offensive league, man.

They just too many times situationally in big spots, they get worked. And I like James Cook. He leads all running backs with fumbles. They can't stop the run. their tight ends only on offense, throwing the ball down the field. He needs his Mike Shanahan, and he needs his Terrell Davis, in the form of a wide receiver. Somebody who played with Elway and Mike Shanahan, Mark Slareth, is joining us live from Denver. So you played only with Shanahan, so you didn't experience the Reeves.

and I, there is some, I don't think John Elway's difficult, but with certain personalities, John has a strong point of view. Shanney was a better fit. I look at Buffalo. Mark, I believe this is their year. Mahomes, Burrow, you've watched them play. What's your take on my take that even though we like McDermott, I feel like it's time.

Yeah, I mean, you're losing a game to the Cincinnati Bengals who don't have a defense a week ago. And when the going gets rough, whether it's playoff football, whether it's a game like last week, it always feels like the coaching staff says, hey, Josh, go win this game for us. Go do something remarkable. Put on your Superman cape.

Make an unbelievable throw or scramble for 40 yards and beat somebody. That's what it feels like in Buffalo. And I was doing a Miami game a couple of weeks ago, and I watched Miami beat the Buffalo Bills, and I thought to myself, they can't stop the run. They aren't very good on that side of the ball. They don't have a ton of weapons for Josh Allen.

And I thought from an offensive standpoint, the number of mistakes they made in the running game, the number of misidentified defenses they had, all these different things that I looked at, and I was thoroughly unimpressed with the Buffalo Bills as a football team. I was blown away by their quarterback, but thoroughly under-impressed with everything else, Colin. So I'm with you. This is the year.

No Burroughs, as you mentioned. No Mahomes, as you mentioned. Lamar, maybe, maybe not. I don't know. This feels like the year that if you put it all together, you could take your team to a championship game. And yet, I don't, I'm with you. I don't believe they're going to make it. I think they're too flawed everywhere.

else and they just rely too much on Josh Allen. So you did Shadur Sanders game last week, which was actually a very entertaining game. And I said, I don't believe the conspiracy theories. I think Dylan Gabriel played so many college games. He was just more ready to be an NFL quarterback than Shadur was. But Shadur, I think, has more talent. And over time, you see the talent. But I don't think there was a conspiracy theory.

It's just Dylan had so many reps in college like Bo Nix. He was kind of ready to play. What did you make a Shadour? Soup to nuts. Top to bottom. What did you make of him? Yeah. No, I agree with you on that.

I mean, the conspiracy theorists are stupid. Like, you've got one of 32 teams. There's one call. He's been the two-time coach of the year, and you think he's bringing out the crappy plays for Shador to run to sabotage him? Like, what are we talking about? Are any of you conspiracy theorists are dumb? You're just dumb.

It's not how the NFL works. I mean, the odds are the fans. he's probably going to be let go. And, you know, ultimately, you've got to have a guy in the meeting rooms. You've got to have a guy in the organization that can spit it out on a grease board. Well, listen, maybe that's not Shador's strong suit. He told me, man, I learned by playing. That's where I learned my best.

Shador still has a ton of growth to go as far as becoming a complete NFL quarterback. You know, anticipatory throws, reading a defense, and doing all those things. but he's exceptionally gifted. I was shocked at how good he was in that game about avoiding the rush, avoiding contact, keeping play alive, scrambling around. And then when he gets one-on-one opportunities versus man coverage or when things break down, his ability to throw an absolute dime piece, is exceptional.

That's where he is great. But like all young quarterbacks, Cam Ward on the other side, they still are a work in progress when it comes to learning an offense and learning how to orchestrate through a progression. And, you know, his strong suit isn't anticipatory throws. His strong suit is finding the one-on-one coverage and absolutely letting it eat. And he threw a couple of guys open with some throws that, to me, were just big-time throws. But that stuff is easy to see.

It's the other things, you know, the underlying things that are hard to do as an NFL quarterback. And that's where he needs a lot of work. And, you know, he's going to get his opportunity here in the next four weeks. to get that done. But to think that a coach is going to sabotage a player because he doesn't like them, it's your reputation, it's your legacy, it's your job on the line. That's the absolute dumbest thing I've ever heard. One of the things I like about you living in Denver and the Broncos being good is you watch, you have sources, you watch every practice, you know, you get the video that we

don't get, you get the stories reading the Denver polls to watch the news. You are embedded feet on the ground. And obviously, you know I love Peyton. I think their roster's excellent. I don't watch every snap, but I watch every game to some point. Where have you seen the growth with Bo Nicks? Or has there been?

Because he came in with 61 college starts. Right? So, like, you kind of feel like his game is his game. Have you seen growth? Or are you concerned that, you know, he's still really uneven, great in the fourth, not good in the first half? Yeah, the last three weeks or so, I've seen a ton of growth, Colin.

Okay. And I think the, I think one of the hard things to do when you're a very gifted athlete is to not let your athletic competition take over. You still have to play with this subdued nature. You have to play in a rhythm. And I think where Beau struggles is that competitive nature, where things break down and instead of being composed, he gets a little frenetic. You know, he doesn't climb the pocket. He sprints up in the pocket.

And I watched him early in the year where he climbed the pocket so hard, he sprinted up in the pocket so hard, he missed a wide open receiver because he bumped into one of his offensive linemen. And you're like, dude, calm down. But like that's part of that kind of competitive. I was raised by a football coach, you know, just type 8 personality. And where I've seen Bo make significant strides is calming down, having calmer feet, climbing the pocket, not springing in the pocket.

And basically, and this is going to sound crazy, occasionally taking a sack or two. Right? And that to me signifies, hey, man, there's some growth here. I don't have to be, you know, that crazy athletic competition dude, and I can just orchestrate. And you look at last week, and I know a lot of people here in Denver got all upset because, well, they didn't push the ball down the football field. He was 31 of 38 for 12 yards. And it was as good as you can play.

They had 2 14 play drives and a 19 play drive. They only had, they had 6, they had, I think, 17. total drives. And you think about this. In the NFL, you usually have about 12 possessions to get 65 plays. They had seven possessions and ran 72 plays. They were

unbelievably efficient. And Bo was taking what the defense gave him. He was throwing his checkdowns. He had an awareness of where his answers were to blitzes and pressures. I thought he played probably the best game I've seen him play, and it wasn't statistically huge. It's not what

you're going to win MVP's on. It's just how you're going to win games in the NFL. So you have the Texans this week, and I said the two teams I would not want to play. The Seahawks in the NFC, they are so fast and aggressive on both sides. Like, you better be buttoned up, and I wouldn't want to play the Texans. They've got playoff experience. I think D'Amico Ryans, you talk about schemes, you're watching film this week. They shut you down.

I mean, opposing quarterback's pass-for ratings are. like 74. I think the Texans are like Seattle. They're going to come in. Nobody's going to, there's no pressure. We're all talking Rams and Eagles and Lions and Packers. We're all talking the Bills and the Patriots. What do you see with the Texans?

Because I would, I said it yesterday, I would not be shocked if they ended up in the AFC championship game. What do you see with them? You know, it's always funny. You kind of study the game through the straw hole with what you played. You know, you just get laser focused on. Hey, what it is they do. And I'm watching them going, man, how would I block these guys?

Like Hunter coming off of one edge, Will Anderson. And they don't just try to win or beat you. They tried to obliterate you. They tried to embarrass you. And you know what I love about them? And this goes back to my playing days, Colin. I was an identity guy. I want to know what we are on offense.

I want to know when we get into a situation. second down and one. We were a conversion team. What are we going to run? Well, I knew second down and one, man, three plays. One of three plays is coming in. 18-19 handoff, 14-15 handoff, or QB sneak. And I knew it beyond the shadow of a doubt,

and it was a 10,000-hour rule. We've done it 10,000 times. You've defended it 100 times. We're better than you, and we know it. And we're going to convert. And we're going to wear your butts out. The Houston, Texas, to me, are simple. They're just a simple football team

that absolutely bludges people. They're the best defense in football. And I live in Denver. I live in Denver where Denver's got a great defense. But the Houston, Texas, like, I don't see a weakness. Defense of line-wise, they pressure, they beat you up physically. They just wear you out. They've got speed of the linebacker position.

They've got an unbelievable secondary. Alcadol on one side, stinging on the other side. I think Petrie might be the best nickel guy in all of football. man, they are loaded. They shut down tight ends. They are a damn good, scary defense. And now they lack offensively. They can't block a lot of people, but that defense keeps them in games. And in a must have it win at home for the Kansas City Chiefs, they ended them. Mahomes had three interceptions completed 42% of his passes. I mean, they ended the Kansas City Chiefs. It was impressive. Finally, speaking of Kansas City, is it a rebuild or a retool, in your opinion?

They can't run. O-Lines week. Don't get consistent pressure. Kelsey retires. Chris Jones no longer, at least this year elite. That field, that sounds like a rebuild, not a retool. You've watched them. What do you think?

Yeah, I think it's more of a retool. They've had some injuries on their offensive line. They're never, like Andy Reed as a former offensive lineman, he's, he's never, which is crazy, I mean, he's never really wanted to run the ball. And so they're still going to have Mahomes, obviously. Kelsey is not what he once was. I think the biggest thing with Kansas City, really,

you know, all the stuff I said about Houston, notwithstanding, is defensively they haven't consistently been able to get off the field when they needed to in critical situations. I think that's been the biggest difference with Kansas City this year. They've always been able to get off the field and give their offense one more opportunity, give their offense one more chance. And that really hasn't been the case this year. But I still think it's more of a retool.

But man, when you travel around the league, Colin, and you do games around the league, it's amazing. Like, oh, yeah, I remember when that guy played in Kansas City. Oh, yeah, that guy for that team, yeah, I remember when he played in Kansas City. Oh, yeah, that starting corner, I remember when he was a Kansas City Chief. Oh, that's, like, it's, that's what happens when you are an elite level football team. is the teams that are trying to get to your stratosphere, they go find your guys in free agents,

because not only are they really good players and they're disciplined players because they've been coached, they also have a championship pedigree that you want to bring into your organization. So that's what happens to great teams. It's been an unbelievable run over the last seven years, and being that I'm a Denver Bronco or a former Denver Bronco, I guess never a former, once a Bronco, always a Bronco,

I'm happy to say that I'm glad that Kansas Chiefs have fallen on hard times. It makes me very happy. Mark Schlerath, Fox Sports, Cardinals, Texans this Sunday. Good talking to you, bud. Like what's gone. Take care, buddy. Yeah, let's look at the AFC and NFC

playoff picture. Moswell throw it up there one more time. It's a, I mean, nobody would have guessed. New England. I like Denver to win the division. But, you know, it's not historically, I mean, what's funny about the AFC, you can tell it's

not great because it's a lot of teams we didn't expect. The NFC playoff picture, coaches, quarterback, stars we expected. Green Bay, Rams, San Francisco, Detroit, Philadelphia's on hard times. I like Seattle is my pick of the year. Nobody liked them. I thought they were going to be a playoff team. But you can tell the NFC is better at the AFC because we're getting who we thought. Great coaches, elite quarterbacks, elite rosters.

it's a lot of shock. For about six years, we kind of, five years, we kind of felt like we knew who was good in the AFC. All those quarterbacks got paid. Yeah. And now the roster, Buffalo's roster, Kansas City's roster, Cincinnati's roster, Buffalo's,

they're just not that good. They're thin. So someone put together an interesting comparison of strength of schedule, whatever that's worth in the NFL. So they looked at who you've played and whether you're good or they're good or not. The New England Patriots have played the 30-second ranked schedule in the league. They've played a lot of bad teams. Would you believe Denver

has played the 31st toughest schedule? So those two teams at the top of the AFC have played the weakest schedules. It gets worse. Chargers 30th, Bills 28th. The team to watch, Houston Texans have played the second toughest schedule. You look at the teams they've played, they're all good. So if I, if you're, that's a great point. So there's a reason Denver is an underdog at home to Green Bay. Exactly. There's a reason New England at home is an underdog to Buffalo because of the schedule. We don't buy their wins. If I had the guest today, looking at all these teams, if you ask me who is going to make the AFC championship? Bof.

Right now, let me guess. We're hot on the Texans. They just beat the Chiefs. I went and bet some Texans to win the AFC. Who would you do? Who would you do last night? Huh? AFC Championship. Look at that. Who would you do? I mean, whoever gets the buy has a big edge, clearly. But I would go. whoever gets the buy, I think it will probably be the Patriots, and I will go Texans, Patriots. I'm the same way. As of now, I would do. Now that sounds goofy and we're going to get killed. I totally agree. I think in Foxborough, it's going to be, it's going to be Drake May, C.J. Stroud. It's going to be Domingo Ryan's Rabel. I would take New England, Denver. I can't believe you said that.

So let's go to New England. Okay. I would go New England host, no, New England hosting Texans. Texans. If I had to bet today, the best defense easily with a very, Very good coach and excellent quarterback. I remember that. Eagles defense last year was off. Like, Hertz was really good. Sequel was good. Eagles defense was nasty. Okay, let's go to the NFC now. Now, let me, let me just, so right now, boy, this is tough.

Yeah. Okay. And again, there's reseeding. I would guess. I assume you think Rams are going to get to number one team. I think Rams Packers feels like the team. I would go Rams. And again, I have no problem taking the seventh-seeded Texans because the AFC is weaker.

Okay. But the two teams at the top of the team. right now. Rams and Green Bay. I get A plus coaches, excellent quarterbacks, good enough old lines, excellent playmakers, excellent pass rushes. So if you're hot on strength of schedule, the Rams have played the 14th toughest, which is tough. Seattle 26th, a lot of bad teams. Packers 25th. The interesting team to watch here, we're not going to like to hear it, Philadelphia, fifth toughest schedule of opponents so far this year. So if you look at their schedule, they've played a lot of good teams. They beat a lot, but now they're struggling.

The one team I would watch is San Francisco, Colin. They're getting healthy. They had the late buy. McCaffrey's fresh. I would keep an eye on the Niners. But the NFC is way tougher to diagram than the AFC's just not good right now. That's good. You said Rams and Packers?

Yeah. I think that's good. I just don't, we like the Rams. They don't have a huge home field advantage out here, man. They don't. So if the Packers come here, 70-30 Green Bay? Yeah, yeah. God, that would be.

That'd be a great game. But, you know, in recent history, you know this. Offensive coaches end up in the final four teams. So you'd get McVeigh-Lefluor, but then you'd get Vrabel and D'Amico, NFC coaches on the other side. That's why it's hard to go against Sean Peyton. Because he'll manipulate.

I mean, Denver's been so good in the fourth quarter. They're very good at manipulating outcomes and manipulating the playbook. Would you bet Jordan love to win the MVP right now? No, Josh Allen. Josh Allen, MVP? Oh, come on, he had a six-touchdown game. I mean, Green Bay has more support.

Jordan Love has a great coach. Didn't Allen win it last year? Remember, the media votes for this stuff. Yeah, well. They already gave Josh Allen one. You know they love to spread the wealth. Jordan Love's got a, Jordan Love has a much better defense,

six times the receiving core, and a better head coach. I don't think the media thinks like that with their voting. I mean, that's the numbers on who's the better team. I mean, I just think Green Bay is a totally complete outfit. GM fans, quarterback coach. O-line's O-L-L-Line's ranked. It feels okay to me.

In the middle of the O-Line is okay. Weapons, pass rush. Josh Allen, interesting. Well, he better beat the Patriots. You can't lose to the Patriots twice. Right? Drake May would get the MVP over Josh Allen. Okay, I'm just telling you right now, we always do this.

What happens if? What if Drake May and Mike Vrabble beat Buffalo again? I think Drake's probably the end. MVP. Well, but what does it tell you if you own the bills, Mike Vrabel's first year in beats Josh Allen, first year. And by the way, when you watch the first game is New England look more complete. I mean, what does it tell you if I own the team and I'm like, okay, Vrable comes in,

Vrable's still in a rebuild. New England still needs another draft. They've got some, their offensive line is not great. Their run game's not very dynamic. Like, that is, I'm telling you, we keep saying this, that is a big game for Buffalo this weekend. You can't get swept by Drake May and Vrable. Is that the biggest game on the schedule? Well, it is now.

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No. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Let's start with some George Pickens, the Cowboys receiver. Little drama after the no-show against Detroit. Richard Sherman called him out. It's been interesting. Jerry Jones, though, he's not that concerned about George Pickens' terrible game against the lines.

When it comes to competing, when it comes to loving, game and I emphasize that point right there loving the game that I give him a pluses just so that I'm real clear about it I don't have the concern that the debate about what George Pickens did or didn't do in that game I don't have that kind of concern about him as far as it's competing and helping us win football games on the field at all so I was I had the good fortune of having dinner last night with an NFL gym and we talked about this about loving the game game. And it's, and Tony Gonzalez has said this more than once to me when he used to come on the show, is that you'd be surprised how many guys love the game, totally committed to the game. So what

Jerry's saying is, I've owned this team a long time. Not everybody loves it. A lot of them, a lot of my players like it. They like what football can do for them in their life, but they don't love it. And what he sees every day is the passion George Pickens has. And I've got to tell you, this is something with NIL, a lot of times you wonder, do the kids love it or do they love what football provides? And you do want to have a locker room with mostly guys who cry when you lose, who deeply care, who are willing to block, you know, do the ugly stuff. Receivers that are willing to block.

That's love in the game because cash and it's the easy part. Right. Well, there's also the aspect of what happens when you're losing. I mean, Pickens was at a good school in college. They didn't lose a lot. He was on the Steelers. They were winning a lot. And then they started losing.

And what happened? He started dogging it. What happens when they're getting smoked by the lions? He starts dogging it? I just wonder, when things go south, do you love it? Or are you just like this sucks? I'm not interested. Yeah, no, it's fair.

It's fair. He's a talent, though. There's some chatter out there. Hey, the Chiefs, we need to go get a Tyree Kel type. Let's go get Pickens. Yeah. I don't see that. They've dealt with dysfunction.

I mean, some of their guys have been in trouble. They've dealt with it well. They have a good, well, they have a sound structure. New England could deal with a little bit of that. I wonder. You're not going to be able to afford pickings. You move off Chris Jones. I don't know.

They've got to make some big moves to get pickings in there. I think Chris Jones has one more year. One more year? Okay. A big money. All right. Let's move on to story number two, Colin. That's the Denver Broncos riding high.

Ten game win streak. Two game lead over the charges in the AFC West. You know, Sean Payton, he said division he's not really worried about. He's just taking things week by week. The focus gets so inwardly driven to our own. team that I recognize that a team that's won't the division for how many straight years won't be able to win it this year.

We've got a stretch here with some real good football teams coming in, you know, focusing on what we can do to win the division. You know, the chargers are very much alive in that battle. Yeah, the, um, man, the NFL changes so quickly. Dynasty to not making

the playoffs in a sport where 40% of the teams do. They're not eliminated the chiefs. Let me just ask you about this vaunted Broncos defense. So, I got some numbers because I've looked at this game. So the Colts, you know, they had 7.1 yards per play, 473 yards against this Broncos defense. Jackson Dart went up and down the field.

Five long touchdown drives in Denver. I know. The Chargers, six drives of 50 or more yards against this Denver. Is the Denver defense awesome, or do they get fat and happy against bad teams? I think there's some truth here. Like, I look at the Houston Texans and the Seahawks, and I see dominating aggressive defenses. length, speed, aggressive coach.

I look at Denver's and I see one great pass rusher, one unbelievable Hall of Fame level corner and good players. I like Denver's roster, but I like Bo Nix, and I like Cortland Sutton and Miners, the offensive line, and Garrett Bowles. I think Harvey's a little underrated, the running back. Yeah, he's yet a good game. I think they have a receiving court that's long and athletic. I think the Denver talent is spread.

Now, I think Hufunga is tremendous. I think the Denver talent is spread all over the place. I think Seattle and the Texans and the Rams have better defenses. I think Phillies defense is really talented. Well, when healthy, they need Jalen Carter back, obviously. But I would agree with that sentiment. Final story, Colin, let's go to the matchup Sunday on Fox here at SoFi. What a week for sports in L.A.

Stafford v. Gough. Are you excited? Remember, the big trade, obviously, back in the day. Both teams have benefited. I know the Rams have a Super Bowl. The Lions don't. But this is crazy. We've got a breakdown of the numbers.

We'll show you in a minute of the teams from this trade. Here's Stafford talking about how it was win-win for both franchises. I'm happy to be where I am, and I feel like the Lions obviously have capitalized on a lot of the picks and players that they're able to acquire in that trade. Their franchise is as good as it's been ever in the last handful of years. So two successful teams, really good football coaches, good football programs at the moment. And yeah, it looks like one that, you know, both sides got kind of what they were looking for out of it. You know, I think as time goes on, we'll keep looking back on it saying the same thing because, you know, it seems to work out for both teams. It's actually, it's one of the great even trades ever.

Here are the numbers on the screen. That's legitimately crazy. Now, remember. And it's almost identical stats. Well, what McVeigh wanted was a bigger arm. He thought Stafford had a bigger arm, was better pre-snap. Stafford's a better quarterback. Golf is very good.

What the Lions needed was draft capital while maintaining competency and quarterback. But they needed, and to the Lions' credit, they hit on all those draft picks. I mean, you look at those draft picks. They kept using and using and manipulating. They got Brad Holmes a great GM. So that is one of those trades where, you know,

they wanted a quarterback moving into his athletic prime and draft picks, a notch below Stafford, but McVeigh was like, okay, I got to a Super Bowl. I don't know if I can win one with golf. And he was right. Stafford is more, it's more elegant, more Tiffany as a product. And he lean on this game besides the, oh, I think the total was like 55. There's going to be points.

I've told you before, when the numbers four or five take the favor. Yeah. That's, to me, anytime somewhere between four and five and a half. I mean, if you look at the injuries and the secondary for Detroit, branches out now for the year. Yeah, that's devastating because he's a real good chess piece on the back end. I don't know how they slow down Puka and Adams and the three-tignites. I think the Rams, I don't know what their team total is.

They're going to score 40 here with ease. Maybe Detroit gets a backdoor cover. Detroit has extra prep time. They do. Maybe they get the backdoor cover. I just, I don't totally. Now, then, to be clear, the Rams secondary, they were cooked by Bryce Young. The kid, who's a kid from Washington, a skitty guy?

Marlota, Jaden Daniels. The cornerback. He had a good season, and then he's starting to get roasted all of a sudden. I have some questions about the Rans secondary, but I do like the Rams here to dispatch the lines. By the way, Fox has this game, and Tom Brady, who is on our show tomorrow, we'll be calling it.

So that is going to be a great game. Thank you to the producer. Forbes is the cornerback. Oh, Emmanuel Forbes. Yeah, it was good this year. Go look at that Carolina tape. He was roasted repeatedly by Ted McMillan and Company. It was not great. So I do think Amar Ra could have a big game or Jameson Williams,

but I like the Rams here. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping back. The Heard Line News. Danny Parkins, FS1's always great. He disagrees with me in my baseball take. And then Josh Pate, the best young voice in college football, will be joining us as well.

My baseball take is, with all the platforms and all the streaming eyeballs, we have more choices as consumers. We're distracted on our phones. We have more choices. So Disney has done this. mission impossible, the Avengers Mission Impossible, you've got to go big. You've got to get Tom Cruise to get people into the theaters. Or you've got to get Spielberg as a director or Martin Scorsese. You've got to go big.

And the Dodgers realizing not only in distracted LA, but in a distracted world, they're going all in. They're not going to make as much profit now, but they're building a massive brand in a very distracted baseball world. And they're going to build a dynasty. And it is the way, that's why the NBA, and I like the NBA, the NBA is like parody. Parity gets lost.

Parity gets lost. Parity was great when we had Fox, NBC, ABC, CBS, and then it's cable, and then it's streaming, and then it's TikTok, and then it's IG, and then it's, it's all wide. And so the Dodgers are like, in LA, which is distracted anyway, beach, mountains, Vegas nearby, pro teams. It's like, you've got to go gigantic.

You've got to go Mission Impossible. You've got to go all in. And I think the NBA is in their fields. We want to give little guys a chance. College football is a great example. Go look at the college football ratings at Fox. We had the three highest rated games. Texas, Ohio State, big teams in those games.

Michigan. That's why when the PAC 12 folded, nobody was watching the PAC 12, and the best, most interesting teams joined the big, Big Ten, it was like the Big Ten got like HGHed. And that's when Texas and Oklahoma joined the giant SEC. It was like a little jet fuel. Now you have these two massive conferences and the ratings are through the roof. Independent garage band.

No shot. You got to go big in the Dodgers owners. They get it. Philip Rivers joining the Colts. Is he talking? Apparently he is next. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd. weekdays in noon Eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHard Radio app.

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Did you hear, did you see the report that during his medical examination, they asked, when was your last colonoscopy? Not normally a question for NFL players, but they asked Rivers because he's so old. Is that true? No, that's not. I was just joking. Okay, not that funny. I thought it was.

My first takeaway is I worry about him. Now, but he is, I will say, I always like Philip Rivers because I do like my quarterbacks, like I like my furniture, big and hard to move. And he is a load. He probably weighs now 260? He's probably heavier than some of their linebackers. Oh, he absolutely is. So I worry about his safety.

He's such a good guy. Do you really trot him out there in Seattle, Colin? You've seen that front seven, man. They're flying around. They have a lot of weapons. Stuyken's very smart. By the way, Daniel Jones in recent weeks because of the fibula injury, he couldn't move. And by the way, gosh not a mover.

Well, not great. So let me ask, is there uncertainty heading into this offseason with this team? Like, the owners on the sideline taking notes. They took a big swing on Sauce Gardner, probably not worth two first round picks, certainly one and maybe a three or whatever. Listen, they face four playoff teams. That's probably 0 and 4. They're probably going to be 8 and 9.

Here's the worst part. What do you do at quarterback next year, Colin? Because they're in the middle of the pack for drafting. No, no. Jets will get their 26 first round pick, so that's like 17. Okay. And then so do you extend Daniel Jones coming off in Achilles? I saw a report.

This is his third season ending injury. He's only 28 years old. He's hurt a lot. you make a trade with a Niners, you need Mac Jones. Is there something the Niners could use somebody on defense? Take back to Forrest Buckner. I was going to say, it's not a defensive tackle. Terrible idea.

I mean, they have pulled every lever. Jacoby percent, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Carson Wentz, the butterfly effect. Like, it's just amazing what Andrew Luck's retirement did to this franchise. I feel, I mean, like, the Rams have two first round picks, so they're going to draft the quarterback for the future. But I mean, just take it to, what if, like today, with all of Kansas City's issues, Mahomes said, I don't want to play anymore. Oh, come on.

Well, no, I mean, that would be devastating. Well, of course, because you look and you're like, well, you're still on a contract and our old line needs work and our D-line needs work. Like Andrew Luck's team wasn't quite there and finished yet, and then he stepped out. It just shows you the difficulty. Miami's still trying to find the next marino. Yeah. I mean, it's, and Denver's had like Jake Plummer was good and they went and got Tebow was fascinating and Peyton Manning's good.

And I mean, they've tried. Here's the worst part. The Jets have their 27 first round pick as well in the Sauce Gardner deal. Okay. So if Daniel Jones is out half the season, they keep him like, they're not going to be good next year. I don't want to go overboard, but the GM and coach could be in some trouble. They could. It's not fair.

But I just don't see a path to success for them this year or next year. Like maybe your Mac Jones idea bails them out, but they don't have the draft picks to trade for Mac Jones. You go player? Well, I think, yeah, if I'm San Francisco, I don't want just draft picks. I'll take Tyler Warren is the next George Kittle. Would you give up, like, I don't know. They're in real trouble, man.

Well, they've got a rush end, they like an indie. Would you give the rush end? Is that the kid from UCLA? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give up a rush end and a second round pick for Mac Jones. I mean, you say what you want. You can't win in this league. Mac Jones would have a bigger market.

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