The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Nothing last forever

Episode Date: August 16, 2023

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It's the herd. Wherever you may be, and however, you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. We've got fruit flies all over here. You notice that? Have you noticed that? Everywhere in the building. What is that about?

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I'm being attacked by little bugs. Albert Breer in a couple of minutes. So I was watching, we were talking about this during the break, is that take out quarterback, that every professional football team has a player that if he got hurt, even really good teams are not the same teams. So like Dallas, if C.D. Lamb got hurt, what are they offensively? Like now you're putting Dalton Schultz has gone, Michael Gallops a three,

C.D. Lamb is gone. Brandon Cooks is a two. The O-line's now okay, not great. What are you? You're not a championship team. I mean, you could lose O'Dell Beckham, Jr., a really good receiver for the Ravens. I don't think it would influence wins and losses much. I think with the Jets, what's interesting, and I think Robert Sala sees this,

is that Dwayne Brown, believe it or not, may only be the 10th most talented player on the roster. But after Aaron is he the most valuable, there's a big difference. Trevor Lawrence may not be the best young player in football. He's the most valuable for a franchise. I think Jacksonville would be in London and five. years if he never showed up there, right? Or Germany. Like I think he's Ken Griffey to the Mariners. He kept baseball in Seattle. I think Trevor Lawrence guarantees you have football in Jacksonville for the next 20 years or however long he plays, right? Build the brand, the college high school football

town, really. So I feel like Dwayne Brown is not nearly as talented, you know, as some of the defensive players, Aaron Rogers, but in terms of value, if he goes down, It's over. Like, they're not good at tackle because Mackay Beckton appears to be at best a right tackle or a backup at left. And there's concerns he may not get his weight and his knee ever right. And I think Robert Saw the last night on Hard Knocks. He sees it.

He sees all the talent. And I like Dwayne Brown a lot, but he's 38, I think some next week or two. He's 38 years old. He's missed some games recently. He's had a great career. But, you know, you get an old left tackle. facing the best pass rushers in the NFL and the AFC is loaded with great pass rushers, you get old faster.

And here was Robert Solon Hard Knox last night. It was our first opportunity to change the stink that's been in this organization for a very long time on the offensive side of the ball. You can have a Hall of Fame quarterback. You can have two $10 million plus receivers. You can have a reigning offensive rookie of the year. You can have all kinds of skill in the running back room. None of it matters.

to the big boys up front, change who the we are. We as coaches, we as an organization, can't want it more than you. And I'm watching that tape all night last night, trying to find something to show that we're changing. And it didn't show, and it was our first op. Yeah, I think he sees it. And I think everybody kind of does. But you can see the emotion with him is that every team has a player.

I mean like T.J. Watt is obviously really good. If you go look at the Steelers, T.J. Watt is not only their best player, he's their most valuable player. Like they don't win when he doesn't play. They do when he does. Miles Garrett's really valuable. But a lot of times it's that center. It's that left tackle. There's a lot of guys in this league have tremendous value who are not top three or four players on your roster. So Dwayne Brown, cross your fingers. If he's upright all year, Jets are a really good football team. They've just got too many good players.

Albert Breer will be visiting the Jets and the Giants. Next, he's been to 18 training camps. By the way, we were talking about this earlier, is that Bill Belichick is romanticizes football. He loves the history of it. And Chad Johnson, Reggie Wayne, Muhammad Sunu, Zeke, Cam. Newton. He loves these players, but he gets them in when they're out of juice. Tim Tebow. Yes, yes. Tim Tebow. He gets guys, and like, they're done. Like, Zeke's a 3.5 yard of carry guy. He loved Cam because Cam had been good against him. Muhammad Sunu. Chad Johnson,

he loved for years. And I do think Zeke is a good pass blocker. He really is. He can really help. But they generally protect their quarterback fine. Our takeaway is they could have had that. Calvin Cook, who's still in his prime. Why didn't they just pay for him? It's a good question. And I think the best answer is twofold. One, it's the money, like you said. Like that's definitely a part of it. I think the other piece of it, you know, this kind of goes back to something Jerry Reese once told me, Colin. And this was probably like over 10 years ago. And he was still the GM of the Giants at the time. And I remember asking him about how they continued to draft defensive linemen. And you remember that. Michael Strayhan, Justin Tuck, O's Heum and Nora, Matthias Kiwanuka, they just kept stalking. And what he said was, which was interesting, was he was like, that's our identity.

So he's like, we can't have an injury rob us of our identity. So like not only do you have to stock places where you're weak, you also have to stock places where you're strong, because if you lose your strength, then who are you? And I think that that explains the Zieg signing. Ramandre Stevenson is probably their best player on offense right now. now. And he does a lot. He's a 230-pound guy who can catch the ball out of the backfield. And you look behind him and Damian Harris has gone and they drafted a couple of kids last year that don't look like they're working out. And to me, this is like kind of goes back to

that Jerry Reese premise of drafting defensive lineman. This is maintaining your strength. Now, is Zeke Elliott what he was four years ago? No. No one thinks he's that. But can he be, I guess, in a facsimile of what Ramandre Stevenson is bringing to you? you lose Stevenson for three or four weeks, yes, he can be that. And can he take some of the load off of Ramandre Stevenson so he isn't as worn down in December, January? Yes, he can do that. So I think that that's what this is about.

It's almost like when you have a backup quarterback, you want to have him look a little bit like the starter, right, just so you don't have to flip the offense upside down if the starter goes down for a few weeks. Same sort of premise here. Like, I think Zeke does a lot of things that their best offensive player now does, so he's good insurance for Ramandre Stevenson. So we started our show today talking about there's about three implosions in the NFL each year where a team has high expectations or they're ascending. Arizona, the Rams last year, you know, were real implosions.

And I said the one team this year, now they're coming off a bad year, but they have a Hall of Fame potential coach and quarterback in Denver and you've been to their camp, is that I could see Sean Payton because remember Russell's contract, he's still playing on the Seahawk deal. That thing doesn't start until next year. If this thing is ugly this year, and I mean not ugly like D, like B, B minus, bitterness that the GM who made the deal still in the building, new ownership pressure, Sean's making 18 large a year, heat, Russell Wilson's contract kicks in, it limits what Sean can do. I do think I have positive vibes with Denver, but I think in six months, February, we could have a mess on our hands. That's my potential tire fire in the league. You were there. Did you sense the pressure around that? Is it a powder keg to you? It's, I mean, it's so different.

It's so different, Colin. I mean, Russell's invisible. Like, last year, you couldn't, you couldn't take three steps realizing Russell Wilson was the quarterback. Like, now it's Sean Payton's show. And that was very clear being there. I mean, they were running gassers after practice. I asked Sean about that afterwards, and he said we've been doing that every day. And you don't see those sorts of things at NFL training camps anymore. So this is old school the way they're doing it. He's setting the tone the way he did back in 2006 in New Orleans. And everybody there's on notice, including Russell Wilson, that it's his show now. And so I think so much of this is going to come down to how Russell Wilson buys into how Sean Payton's going to play him. Sean Payton's not going to play

him the way Nathaniel Hackett played him last year. And I think whoever got Russell Wilson last year was going to go through this, right, where Russell was going to see what he looked like in a past happy offense. Because I think he always believed that he'd be Tom Brady or Peyton Manning if he got that. Well, it didn't work. And so, you know, I think Sean Payton believes the best way to deploy him and use him is the same way Seattle did. Move the pocket.

Get him going in the run game. Involve him in the run game. Use him to boost up the run game and get more out of Javante Williams. Will Russell Wilson buy into that? Will he be a willing and aggressive runner? Will he be making plays off schedule the way he did in Seattle? I think those things are going to determine whether or not this works. If Russell Wilson's willing and still able to do all those things, I think it'll work

because I think Sean Payton's a brilliant offensive coach who can get the most out of a quarterback, but he has to buy into it. And so that's the important part. Indications are he is buying into it. We'll see when the season starts. And then I think the other thing here is just what you got back to off the top, is how has the offensive line come together? They bring in Ben Powers and Mike McGlenshy.

They spent on offensive linemen. Does that offensive line group look good in front of Russell Wilson? That's going to be a major factor because, as you sort of alluded to off the top, when you do see those big box implosions, and you can go back and look at this historically, Colin, a lot of the big box implosions happened because a team falls apart on the offensive lines. So how do those big money signings look at the end of the year? Ben Powers, Mike McGlinchy, I think that's a big part of it.

You know, so you went to 18 camps, and I'm looking at all the camps here, folks, Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, you know, some big, big brands out there, Vegas, Minnesota. I got to ask you about Kansas City, because they feel like the reigning dynasty. And you cover the Packers or you cover the Patriots forever. So you were hovering around for 10 years a dynasty. And now we've got a new one. Are there similarities in confidence in culture between the last dynasty that was your team and the new dynasty that's everybody's team and you cover as a national guy, do you ever, do you feel some similar? Now, one's defense, do your job. The other one is creative, clever,

ring around the rosy, you know, new stuff every 15 minutes, but do they feel similar at all? Yeah, there are a few similarities. Coaching quarterback's the obvious one, right? Like, we don't have to go very far on that. Mahomes and Reed, Belichick, and Brady. That's a very, very obvious one. I think there are a couple others, too, though. The quarterback, obviously, is a able to patch holes. So you can do it with a little less. And Brady was always able to do that. You look at how well the Patriots played after they traded Randy Moss in 2010. Brady won the MVP that year. Yeah. And people forget, like, after a month, they traded Randy Moss. Not before the season, in season. What did Pat Mahomes do last year? He won a Super Bowl after they traded Tyree Kill.

So you've got a quarterback that's capable of patching holes. The other thing is now you have an advantage where people want to play with that quarterback. So, like the Chad Johnsons, the Joey Galloways, the Corey Dillans, all those guys wanted to come in and play with Tom Brady. You're starting to see that with Mahomes. Where did Juju Smith-Schuster go when he needed to revive his stock? He went to Kansas City to play with him. So that's another similarity. And then I think that there's this pipeline of people.

And this is a really important part of the Patriot dynasty. I think you're seeing it in Kansas City. When they lose somebody, there are people coming up to replace them. And I really think you saw that on defense last year with the rookie class they put together in the amount those rookies played guys like George Carloftus, all the corners. Trent McDuffie, obviously, among them. Cook looks like he's going to be a really good safety. And then on the coaching staff, like they lose Eric Bien and me. They have Matt Nagy ready to go, right?

So I think there's this pipeline of people where, you know, they may not have superstars behind every position, but they've always got somebody capable and ready to go. So those would be the three things. coaching quarterback, the quarterback's ability to do it with a little bit less around him. I guess it's four. The quarterback's ability to attract people to come in for less and play for them. And then, you know, the pipeline of people flowing through. So, you know, there's one team in the league. J. Mack, you can guess as I asked this question, that generally if you get offensive coach,

he doesn't have to be a legend because Zach Taylor wasn't a legend when Burrow arrived. offensive coach, a playoff quarterback, left tackle, couple of weapons, good pass rusher. If you have elite players at those, you win a lot of games in this league. Here's the Raiders. I got McDaniel Garapolo, Crosby, Devonte Adams, Hunter Renfro, Colton Miller, and I look at them and I think everybody's saying the Raiders stink. Now, I would admit they have been, like Cleveland, they can inflict their own wounds. But I watched him this weekend.

I saw their backup quarterback. He looks like the next Brock Purdy. And I'm thinking, you were at the Raiders camp. What was the vibe there? I think the vibe is that they're going to do better on the margins this year, that they're smarter and that they're more versatile. And, you know, I think one thing that really had to kill Josh McDaniel and Dave Ziegler last year was how many close games they lost and how bad they were situationally, right?

They threw, I think, the fourth most interceptions in the league. Their punt return was at the bottom of the league. You know, there's just, like, in every which way, like, situationally, they were really bad. Hallmark of the Patriot program that those guys came from is that you're really good in all of those situations. And so if you look at, like, what they did this offseason, it was building up the staff a little bit more and bringing in, like, Danny Amandola as a returner. coach, like to fix the punt return specifically, like doing little things like that on the coaching staff. And then, you know, on the roster, you see like where they brought in guys who are leaders. And so, like, there's a bet there that bringing in Marcus Epps from Philadelphia is going to help Trayvon Moore, Merig get better at safety. There's a bet there that bringing in Spillane from

Pittsburgh is going to help divine Diablo get better at linebacker. So, you know, you have, I think, middle class of veteran players that are smart, tough, mature players that, you know, the Raiders are banking on to make them better situationally. Like, they feel like you said, like the top level, they took care of that when they went and they got, you know, Chandler Jones and Devante Adams in the last offseason, they inherited guys like Colton Miller and Josh Jacobs and Devonte Adams. And now they go in and they get Jimmy Garapolo. It just, it feels like the, the program's a little be more complete now. And so I think you're going to see some of the hallmarks of the Patriot program coming to life there now, which they hope will make the difference between winning and losing,

and they lost a lot of close games last year. By the way, you were at that Patriot Houston Texans game, and, you know, Belichick owns rookie quarterbacks. Any takeaway on C.J. Stroud and that game as a whole, D'Amico Ryans? I just think, yeah, I just think it was hard. My biggest takeaway is, like, the NFL has a real offensive line depth problem. Oh, God, yes. I mean, it's like, if you want to know why, like, a lot of coaches aren't putting their quarterbacks out there, look at the offensive lines they're putting out there, right? Like, you can, you can see it, you know, like, all right, like, well, we don't want to put our left tackle out there, so we're not putting our quarterback out there, right?

And I feel like that's sort of what you saw with both CJ Stroud and Bryce Young, where those guys had some ups and downs in their games because they just didn't have the horses in front of them. And for CJ, like, it's hard to take too much from it because he didn't have his two starting tackles in Laramie Tonsell and Titus Howard. And he's going to have those guys week one, you know, and so having those guys out there, well, Howard's dealing with an injury, but probably have those guys week one. He has both those guys in there's a different, there's going to be a different context to what he's doing. Now, that said, he did look a little lost out there. Yeah, he was a little late on some of his throws. And so that's stuff where you have to make a determination if you're,

a coach, do I want him to see more things so I can accelerate his growth process so he's thinking faster out there? Or am I worried about him and his confidence being shattered if we do throw him out there? So that's sort of the challenge for Domeko Ryans and Nick Casario and those guys now is making that decision. I do think C.J. Stroud will be out there week one. And I think what you'll see is probably, you know, an offense that's going to lean, you know, on Pearson, in that running game in the offensive line early on and not as too much as C.J. Straub, because it did feel like without the tackles out there, without a starting running back out there, they were leaning on him a little bit in week one, and that's probably why he was swimming mentally out there.

Okay, you're visiting the Jets and the Giants next. It's Albert Breer, Monday morning quarterback. He is our go-to guy on breaking NFL stuff and insight and context. We love seeing you again, my man. Thanks for stopping by. All right. Thanks, thanks, Colin. He is so good. So he goes to the Jets and the Giants next. So you are, that is your team and you're calling it. Now, I don't, I don't know how people are reacting. They're probably, anytime you say this team could implode, fans freak out. So I'm sure Giant fans don't like it. I remember when the schedules came out, the Giants wasn't the first one that jumped out to me. I thought, I wanted to see what Aaron Rogers faced with a new offensive line and that stuff. If you look at the New York Giant schedule,

not great. Not great. So let's just look at it for fun. So Dallas is favored in the opener. So even though it's at home, that's a loss. The good news is Arizona is a game they should win. So let's just just get anybody that plays Arizona in the first two months, give it a W. Well, wait a second.

Hold on. Who's Arizona's new coach? It's a defensive coach. Where do he come from? Philadelphia. Who plays the Giants twice a year and played him twice, actually three times last year. Philadelphia. Jonathan, again, is going to have that defense ready for the Giants.

He knows everything David was going to do. I'm just trying to be. I'm just trying to be optimistic column. Oh, optimistic column. Okay. So Dallas is a better football team than the Giants in terms of overall talent. So I'm going to give this one to Dallas. I'm going to give the Giants a win.

So let's just say they're one in one through the first two weeks. There's no reason to make them two and oh and two. I'm just going to be right down the middle. It gets really salty, really fast at San Francisco. That's an L. Seattle is loaded at Miami, Buffalo. That is the go to week three through week six in the NFL, four games. Is that the toughest schedule in the league?

It's up there. And now it does. You start getting Washington twice. Well, it's just worth context. Washington's defensive front can be nasty. It's one of the better in the league. Yeah. There's a chance.

They give the Giants some problems up front. I don't think that's a walkover. Let's just say that. How were the games last year? I don't remember off the top of my head, but... We'll give them a loss of the Jets the week after that. You're facing... If you go one and one out of the gate,

Giant fans have them 2 and 0, but Dallas has mostly had their way with the Giants and Washington, it feels like, in that division for a long time. So they beat Washington and tied them. What's good for them For the Rams game, Week 17 Rams are not going to be playing for anything That's a win.

You can give it to them. But they got no favors late. Philadelphia twice could be playing for Home Field in the playoffs. Those Eagles are going to be going hard Those two games. Yeah, and here's the other thing. New Orleans could be playing.

So your last four opponents, there's a real possibility the Rams are vying for a wild card. It's the NFC. I would say no possibility, but. That giant schedule is rough. Week 3, 4, 5, 6. Then you get Aaron Rogers after Washington.

That is, that is. It's a rough one. It is. You may be right on this. Might be right. Optimistically. Viewing them as... Best case scenario 8 and 9, right?

I'm going to go best case scenario. They shocked Dallas. Okay. They beat Arizona 2 and 0. They're not winning. They beat Seattle. at home. They're not beating, they're not winning at San Francisco,

at Miami, at Buffalo. So they're two, they beat Washington three, beat Raiders 4, beat Washington again, 5. You have them sweeping Washington. The best-case scenario I can see is 8 and 9. That's best case. So let's scale

it back. Realistically 6. By the way, do you remember that Ravens' Giants game last year? Like, Ravens are dominating. Lamar Jackson vommets all over himself in the fourth quarter. Giant Storm back and get the win. And it was like super lucky. Then there was the Titans game in week one that we talked about. Listen, I know Giants fans are listening right now because we have a large amount of Giants fans somewhere. And they are angry with me. And that's fine. I get it. But the reality

is you got lucky last year. Well, let's stop with Lucky. There are things they do well. Excellent offensive coach. Starback. Excellent defense. Not Jets good, but really good up front. Really good up front. Against a weak schedule. Okay. What else? What else do they do? Is that your quarterback?

Great left tackle. He was great last year. Okay. So, and a athletic, young athletic quarterback. That's enough there in the NFC to win nine games. If you're healthy. But they've done some things right. They didn't whiff on a quarterback Jets did.

They didn't whiff at left tackle Jets did. They've hit some. You know, I don't love Daniel Jones, but, you know, he's a big, strong athlete that can move. Golden Tate said it. He gets paralysis by analysis. He's an overthinker. Golden Tate, that was interesting. He seemed to really like Daniel J.

Well, what he said on and off the air, he said some things. He said, listen, he's an overthinker. He's a duchy. Like, he's kind of a loner. He gets into his head. He kind of overthinks it. You know, you're replacing Eli Manning. You replace Manning's anywhere.

It's hard. They're like American football royalty. So, no, it's a, it's a, you know, we review the, Jets is having a stacked roster, they whiffed on a quarterback and a left tackle. The Giants have a playoff quarterback and a great young left tackle. So I think their personnel is probably a little better than people think. I don't like their quarterback room. That's not good. That's not great. They lost Evan Ingram to the Jags. That's, you know, it's funny. Well, they got your guy from the Raiders, the big guy. Waller. Didn't they land him? They got Waller. Yeah. He

He's good. He's got to stay healthy. Okay. So, okay, there's another one. Left tackle, running back, tight end, playoff quarterback, excellent defensive front. I think the Giants' talents a little better

than your perception of it. Who has more offensive talent? By the way. And an offensive coach. Who has more offensive talent? The Seahawks or the Giants. Oh, that's a very good question. So Seattle's got a star number one receiver.

And they have a better number two. Lockett and Metcalfe. Okay, okay, okay. Tight end, wash, Fant, Waller. If Waller's healthy, I like Waller more than Fant. O-line, there's nobody on Seattle's O-line that's as good as Andrew Thomas. Absolutely no one. Last season, you said the two rookies on the left and right tackle.

They were awesome. Andrew Thomas is great. He was great last year. No running back is good as Saquan Barclay. And by the way, Daniel Jones or Gino Smith? I'm going Gino Smith there. I'm probably going Daniel Jones. Wow.

I think he's more athletic. Head on that one. No, but it's a very good question. Who's got better offensive personnel? I think you're, now, now, now, in fairness, Seattle drafted a receiver in the first round, and that could be a game. J.S.N, that's right. No, no, he's going to be, all the reports out of Seattle are like, oh, yeah, he's going to blow up.

But I'm telling you right now. So the Seahawks are better on the perimeter than the Giants. No question. The better running back, Giants, better left tackle, giants. By the way, offensive coach to defensive coach. The table is the big X factor there. But let me look at the Seahawks running back room. I don't think it's that far behind.

No, no. Jack Charbonnet from UCLA, banged up. Kenneth Walker, he's good. Well, again, you guys stay house. Both hurt. They're kids. Seekwon Barclay's a star. He's a star in the NFL.

The Giants don't see him as a star. They didn't want to pay him. Oh, come on. It's called the franchise tag. You can like Jonathan Taylor and want to tag him. You know, that's what running back is now. But I would just say, my takeaway in this whole argument is, the Giants talent's a little better than anybody wants to acknowledge.

And I also think they have a brilliant head coach. So, yeah, Daibol, Daibol or Pete Carroll? I would go Daibol. Well, Pete's going to. Pete's accomplished more, obviously. Pete, there's things that Pete, Pete's a culture builder.

There's not many Pete's in the world. But Daibol in America, today in our football world, dayball's about as good as you're going to do as a young coach. He's excellent. He's about as good as. He's the best thing the Giants have going for them. And they're left tackle. As long as he wants to stick around and work with.

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Why give away cable? Yeah. Sign back up for cable. We can't give away cable for NFL. Like, I'm not going to be watching on a delay. Do you do in-game betting? You can do in game betting. I do in game betting.

I don't understand if you like college sports, why would you give up cable? I can never, I like college football. I'm not giving up cable. There's too many good games on it. On a Saturday night, I'm banging all up and down cable funding all sorts of college football games. I'm not giving that up. And it's not just because I work on cable. Like, here's the truth about streaming services that nobody wants to say, men don't watch them in the fall because we watch football.

So the streaming service companies outside of Netflix, nobody's making money. and all these companies now are trying to, whoever wants a strike wins the strike. The streaming services, the giants wanted the strike. They've got to clean their books up. So seven years, they accumulated audience, and now the domestic markets tapped. International markets are shrinking.

Like they've all gobbled up their piece of the market and they're finding out. The budgets don't work. They're not making money. So they want to redo these books. So if you're a writer or an actor, it's a scary time in America. Sunday night is football.

Monday night is football. Thursday night is football. Thursday night. Saturday. In the fall, the streaming numbers for all of us. I don't watch any streaming in the fall. The minute the fall is over, I got a list of five shows. My wife told me to watch. I mean, maybe Tuesday. World Series, college football, NFL. I'm not watching streaming services in the fall. Guys, I mean, I've heard this from people inside the industry who work in Hollywood. The streaming services have discovered as the market now tapped out domestically. You have who you have as an audience.

And you're not making any money. They're trying to rework the books. Are we the exception, though? Like, do you think our audience is watching NFL as many as we are? No, not as much as we are, but the numbers don't lie. The TV numbers are massive, and the NFL streaming numbers, just everybody's watching. Fly on a plane in the fall on a Saturday or a Sunday and look at what people are watching. They're on the games. It's really remarkable that the regular season has that much pull.

So, my point is that I could never give up cable. If you like college sports, and I do, you can't give up cable. There's no way I can give it up. J-Mac with the news. Oh, I'm going to take a break. Let me take a break. We'll come back for the herd line. You want to do that?

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And I'm Alex English. Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day, but just so y'all know. I mean, at this point, Mark, this is the second episode where we've discussed crack.

So I'm starting to see that there's a through line. We also have AIDS on the table right now. Thank you for finishing that sentence. Yes. I don't think there's a more important year for black people. Really? Yeah. For me, it's one of the most important years for black people in American history.

Listen to look back at it on the IHeart Radio app, Apple, podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. Tomorrow, it's a special Thursday night baseball on Fox as Pete Alonzo leads the Mets against Paul Goldschmidt and the Cardinals or Miguel Cabrera and the Tigers take on Jose Ramirez and the Guardians. Don't miss the action tomorrow at 7 Eastern on Fox. Quite a year for the Mets. Those amazing Mets.

You know, people, the Yankee fans are freaking out, but they're still in the wild card race. They're viable. They're trying to win. J. Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

All right, let's start with Lamar Jackson and that Ravens' offense. New O.C. Todd Munkin. They're going to be throwing the football a lot, especially after they grabbed O'Dell Beckham Jr. Although Lamar and OBJ haven't had a lot of time on the field together, Lamar says the chemistry is there and that Odell is a lot faster than people give him credit for. Collison, I know Beckham's been out for a while, but he did finish. strong with the Rams. He was very integral

to that Super Bowl run. Listen, he was good with the Giants. He was good with the Rams. I think he's going to be good with the Ravens. Where didn't he work? Cleveland. I mean, you know, say what you want, but they're a friend. I had this discussion yesterday with somebody. I went and worked out and I was talking to somebody at the club.

I said, these are all businesses. They're all businesses. Cleveland and Washington have been very poorly run businesses for the last decade. Detroit was a poorly run business forever, but it looks like they've turned the corner. They have a very interesting front office. They've hit home runs in the draft. These are all businesses. So my takeaway is,

O'Dell Beckham's career is start LSU, start with the Giants, very good briefly with the Rams. Where didn't he deliver? It's only been in one place, Cleveland. So my guess is he's going to be very productive. He won't play 17 games. His body's kind of breaking down. But if he'll, if he played 13, 14 games. He's a good player. I'll just say there have been skill position players who've complained about not getting the ball from Lamar in the past. Odell, that's kind of on Brantford.

Well, they moved off their offensive coordinator. Are we sure it's Lamar? Or did Lamar want more input on the offense and more passing? You and I have both subscribed to the theory. Lamar's a better passer than he gets credited. I think it's obvious.

Next up, the Jets. We've got talk about the Jets, the Hard Knocks, Darlings, they added Dalvin Cook on the one-year deal before activating Bruce Hall from the Pupplist. The addition of Cook, the running back room now has a lot of competition, but Hall thinks it will bring the best out of their group. This is another great guy we add into the room. It's going to be a good competition. It's going to be the best, bring the best out of everybody. So, you know, when he comes in, you know, everybody's, all of our reps might get lessened or, you know, and we're going to have to work him in. So it's going to make us, you know, do the most of the most of him.

what we can with our reps, so it's going to be fun. He's going to come in, he's going to challenge us. We're going to challenge ourselves, and we're going to challenge him as well, so it's going to be fun. I like that. Positive. By the way, that's a potential look for you. The tight-ish hoodie on the arms. Do you see how Jack Breeshall looked?

Like the shoulders on that guy? He's a pro athlete. I know. He's a running back who you don't want to try to tackle. He's running over dudes. Well, I mean, right now their running back room is the best in the league. Oh, that's a hot take. Delvin Cook,

Delvin Cook, Brees Hall, who is a star, Michael Carter's a for a third back. He's great as a third. And by the way, who's that little small guy? They've been playing in preseason.

He's kind of fun. What about the Niners? Who do they have? C-MAC and... Elijah Mitchell. Mitchell. Jets have the best running back room in the league. That is...

I had not thought about that. No, I mean, maybe I'm wrong, but who else? No, that's really good. Tony Pollard and Deuce Vaughn. No, I'm just kidding. Dallas. No, I mean, you have two Dalvin Cook and Brees Hall are home run hitters. How many teams in the league have two home run headers at running back? What?

No, Cincinnati moved off. P. Ryan went to, I think, Denver? Yeah, he... Listen, that's a good take from you. Look at that. Am I wrong on that? I don't think you are. I like it.

All right, final story. CD Lamb. coming off a strong 2022 season after becoming the Cowboys number one receiver entering year four Lamb has garnered some comparisons

to all pro wide out Devante Adams and Jordy Nelson from his coach here's what Mike McCarthy had to say we understand what it was like when he was here as a rookie you know but now Pacific Pacific last year

he was featured a tremendous amount in the past game so we need to continue to do that but you know we feel like we have more speed around them too. I think CD that first year had a couple balls he may have got away from but but other than that I mean I I never had any doubts about him and I've seen him all go through I've seen Jordi Greg Jennings Avanti Adams you know it's just it's a it's a natural progression you know and it's usually that second year where you go okay you know he has a chance to be something

really special star receivers under McCarthy let's see they've done pretty well is it the knock on him Ben in Green Bay. He didn't develop run games. And so when they went and got Matt Lefleur, Matt Lefleur's reputation is he develops run games. So that would support Aaron Rogers in Green Bay. Wasn't that the knock on McCarthy that he didn't have a history

of like consistently developing run games? Pete Carroll likes to develop a run game. There are coaches that do. But he is always, it feels like elevated receivers. Lamb not quite top five, right? Top ten. Oh, top ten. Yeah, he's a good player. He's a really good player.

Very good. Lamb or Garrett Wilson. Lamb. Yeah. Lamb. I mean, there's only five guys in the league. Lamb is not. I don't think he's Stefan Diggs. He's not Justin Jefferson.

He's not John Fierce. He's not Cooper Cup in there? No, no, yeah. He's not Cooper Cup in terms of productivity. Devontee Adams. Tyree Kill. Maybe Tyree Kill and Devonte Adams. There's six guys.

C.D. Lamb. Let's not argue about it. Oh, J. Brown are the Eagles. Dude. Come on. He's good. There's a lot of good receivers. A lot.

So if CD Lamb is not Cooper Cup, people forget that. Everybody's got, like, recency bias. Does everybody remember the year Cooper Cup had with Stafford? They're like 10 catch games, right? He was like 175 catches or something. It was in, it's just, you can't. I was watching the highlight. It had been on the NFL network and they were showing that Ram season.

I don't know what I was watching it on. Cooper Cup was unguarded. Every big catch, I felt like he made it. He had 16 touchdowns, 1900 yards. How many catches did he have that year? 145. Now, just think about that. 145 catches.

Divided by 16. That's like 9 a game? Eight? I'm sick. I can't do math. Go ahead. Rip me, internet. I don't care.

It's a lot. It's a lot of catches. Many catches. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Lie News. I was saying this earlier.

I feel bad for Call on Stanford. Like, I feel bad because Stanford's really tried to win at football, but academically it's hard. And David Shaw and I had talked about that. It's hard to have 85 guys on scholarship. It's a hard school to get into. It's a hard school to stay in. But it's like when this whole thing implodes, we forget, the A's just lost. Oakland just lost baseball.

Seattle, Vancouver, and Kansas City lost basketball. San Diego lost football. Nothing lasts forever. Those are pro leagues. Owners like, bye-bye, next city. It happens. Stuff. There's no lifetime guarantees.

Now, obviously, the Yankees will never leave New York. The Eagles will never leave Philadelphia. The Niners will never leave San Francisco. The Bears will never leave Chicago. The Lakers will never leave L.A. Nor will the Dodgers. But just think about this. The city of Los Angeles, the entertainment capital of the world,

the second biggest city in the country did not have the NFL for 20 years. Why? Part of it is, there's a lot to do out west. That's what's hurt the Pact 12. There's a lot to do. We have mountains. The South doesn't.

We have beaches. We have Silicon Valley. And now Silicon Valley's wealth has spread to Salt Lake City and Portland and Seattle and Phoenix. And what does it mean? People have second homes. People vacation more. people travel more people work more hours the west coast is very distracted and the college basketball football conference of note the attendance isn't great they could not get a streaming deal they couldn't

get a tv deal in a world in which everybody's dying for content so i've had friends reach out doesn't it bum you out and i'm like you know what stuff doesn't last forever if kansas city can lose an NBA franchise in seattle can in san diego can lose an NFL franchise you know a west coast uh college conference that had been deteriorating for half a decade, six, seven years maybe, can go away. I don't, you know, listen, it's not like USC, UCLA, Washington, Oregon, the cream of the crop all found a home. By the way, Utah, good program.

They found a home. If you took care of football, you found a home. If you were a little too precious, a little too snooty, a little too delusional, you're struggling now. It happens. It doesn't make me happy. but stuff like that happens. End of your first year,

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enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashed. human potential. Either way, the podcast, Superhuman, documented it all, embedded in the games and with the athletes for a full year. Within probably 10 days, I'd put on 10 pounds. I was

having trouble stopping the muscle growth. Listen to Superhuman on the I-Hard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. A win is a win. A win is a win. I don't care what I'm saying. Yep, that's me. Clifford Taylor the 4th.

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