The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd-Hour 2- Nuggets Get No Attention

Episode Date: May 29, 2023

In this hour of The Herd, Doug Gottlieb—in for Colin—explains why the Denver Nuggets don't get a lot of national media attention and why it doesn't matter. Plus, author Jeff Benedict joins the show to discuss his new book about LeBron James and offer his prediction about LeBron's future in the Association.   #DouggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Like we all want to talk about toughness, like in sports, toughness. Okay? I mean, we've had a couple wars in our lifetime. You ever thought about enlisting, picking up a gun, going, defending our country? No, why? Because what happened to so many

could happen to you. And so that level of bravery deserves a special day, right? It's actually a real, like, Valentine's Day, a friend of mine yesterday described Valentine's Day of, like, if you don't pay attention to somebody the whole year now one day you're supposed to pay attention and that doesn't make sense but memorial day though you should memorialize and honor people that

gave their life for your country every day this is a holiday that deserves a special day i have a question for you jason stewart's my producer um it it does eventually relate does eventually relate to the nuggets and the streaming for why don't you guys cover the nuggets. How come you haven't covered the nuggets? You know, a lot of people think that the reason, for example, newspapers, right? Well, why have newspapers failed? What do you think the reason is that you can get the Orange County Register or LA Times or New York Post or whatever? You can get a paper delivered to your home for like a penny for a year.

Newspapers are struggling. What's the number one thing that's hurt their revenue? Well, I would say the internet access to information and the smartphone. Okay, but what on the internet, like stories and websites, etc? Correct. Yep. Okay. It is the internet per se, but it's not actually.

the stories. Newspapers made their money, a good portion of their money, not just through the ads, through the classified ads, classified ads. And the crazy thing is, it used to be, you go back in 2000 and I saw some survey in 2002 in Australia, okay? Newspapers, the overall money spent on total classified ads, $1.6 billion. Now, on any type of classified ads, it's actually $1.9 billion. The difference is it's in all those websites and domains and now in apps where you can, you know, where you can, you can sell things.

I mean, obviously started with eBay and, you know, has spread. And now Facebook has their marketplace. There's, what's that other one that like really cheap stuff? You can just post on there if you want to sell it. Shoot, I can't even remember. Craigslist. Now, Craigslist was an original one, but there's some new ones out there now. The point is that the age-old philosophy of covering the biggest stories and biggest names,

the ones that get the most eyes in radio that played to the widest set of the ears, is not a dated strategy. And I get people, you know, I get people all the time, which I was like, no, listen, you know, because I posted a, a tweet on Friday that here's the way it works. Like the Cowboys, if anything happens with the Cowboys, you cover it. Why? They're the most popular and polarizing team in the National Football League.

I didn't say most successful. The Kansas Chiefs are way better. It's not close. But when you post something, you do a podcast, you do a show, and if it can be smart, it doesn't mean you force it. More people care. And at the end of the day, it ain't about clicks, but it is about clicks. It isn't about ratings, but it is about ratings.

So the Nuggets continue to complain and whine about, you never cover us. We get it. I'll admit it. I don't know. I have a dear friend Brennan Kristall. He does Denver Radio. He's the lone exception. He and a former editor of mine, Andy Glockner, who lives in Denver, editor at DSPN.com.

Those guys, they both live in Denver. And they're like, oh, do we watch it all the time? Like, yeah, but the rest of the world doesn't. So when we say no one watch it, it doesn't mean no single solitary soul. But like, let's be honest, you don't pay attention to the NBA until the Christmas Day games. Christmas Day games now are secondary games because the NFL is taking over Christmas Day. You're still worried about college football, the NFL, until we get to February. Keep in mind that it is true.

I mean, even when Embed didn't play a second game against Yokic, so many times the These teams, they don't even play their best players. Like, nobody watches. And in the nobody watches, it doesn't mean not a single solitary soul. But in comparison, when there is LeBron fatigue, but the Bronn numbers are always bigger. There's some step fatigue, but the step numbers are always bigger. And it's not that you don't have a valid complaint. And it's not that you can't use it as a motivator.

Hey, nobody's, hey, nobody's talking about this. Nobody's talking about us. Zero people are talking about us. But you got to mention it once and then let it go. Right. You have to, the real way to do it is, it's like with LeBron, remember LeBron in his barbershop show, which he claimed to invent and wanted to trademark it, even though it's existed for years. Anyway, LeBron said, well, like, when we came from.

from three one down, we won that series. That's when I knew I was the greatest player ever. Like, okay, look, I don't doubt that. I don't doubt that LeBron thinks he's the greatest player ever. I don't doubt that Kobe Bryant thought he was the greatest player ever, or that Michael Jordan knows he's the greatest player ever. And even though Magic Johnson claims Kobe was the greatest Laker ever, deep inside you ask Magic, he knows he was at the time he was the greatest player.

And Larry Bird's right there as well. but the reason it felt a little off-putting, the reason it felt a little off-putting was, you gotta let other people say that about you. You don't say it about yourself, other people say it about you. And when other people say it about you, it's the same thing here,

where Brandon Malone, I mean, Brendan Malone, that's his dad, I'm sorry, Mike Malone, constantly beating the drum of, nobody pays attention to us, we don't get enough love. I did think this was interesting. Charles Barkley was on Dan Patrick on Friday.

He did say this about LeBron and the retirement talk. You know, them fools on Espin were going to talk about it. Like, they still talking about it. You know, it's funny. I asked with Dan, I actually turn my television off the next day because the first two blocks were all about LeBron instead of what the Denver Nuggets has accomplished. I think he did it intentionally.

there's no way he's retiring I just LeBron's such a good dude and he got his stuff together I was disappointed he took the shine away from the negative Um Okay a couple things here

What's interesting about the LeBron retirement thing was the two days previous to game four There was suddenly stories And I think it started with Winhorst saying like This could be it for LeBron and that story clearly comes from his camp, which probably comes from LeBron,

may come from just his camp. I don't know if it was as a deflection of the fact that they just got swept, probably should be. You'd have to think part of it is LeBron trying to maintain some level of power. I didn't for one second, not one second,

believe Collins, hey, you can trade them to the Warriors thing. It's not happening. It's not leaving the city where one son plays college basketball, the other son plays high school basketball, and his daughter and wife are. Like, no, that's not happening. And oh, yeah, by the way, the Lakers aren't going like,

hey, you know, we have one of the two most valuable assets in the NBA, especially to our cable network, our cable channel, and to selling seats. The Clippers are opening a new arena. know, like we got to get people in the building. Let's give him away to the Golden State Warriors for younger. Like, that's not happening. That's not the Laker Way.

They're not doing that. It's an impossibility. It's not even, honestly, all due respect to Colin, and I know he was just kind of echoing what he read on the ringer. It's a complete nothing burger. But the point is that I don't think, LeBron did it to take away shine from the Nuggets, I do think he took it to deflect any sort of criticism over getting swept.

And it's the age old LeBron, I can't do it myself sort of thing. And we need more help. And the truth is, he does need a bunch more help because he's 38 years old. But it wasn't a great look. But neither is a good luck with the Denver Nuggets. Look, every series when a team loses. When the Sixers lost in game seven, they fired Doc Rivers, and there's all the talk of James Hardin, will he return to Houston as a free agent? Wasn't there?

When the Golden State Warriors lost to the L.A. Lakers, the talk wasn't about, there was a little bit about LeBron and staff and legacies and whatever. But for the most part, it's, hey, Draymond's a free agent, what are they going to do? And the next day, they had their exit interviews, and Steve Nash was like, we're not a championship contender, if not for Draymond Green. you're like, okay, well, they're going to trade Jordan Poole. That's pretty obvious. Every one of these series, we talk about the team that loses because the team that wins, well, they have another whole other series for us to talk about. And I just like, look, Nuggets, we get it.

Nobody pays attention to you. I'm guessing in Denver. I don't live in Denver. But I know enough about Denver sports to know it's Broncos, Broncos, Broncos, Broncos, and then, you know, abs and nuggets and Rockies somewhere, secondary, tertiary, and even beyond. Now, imagine that nationally. You've never won a championship.

Your best player is a foreign-born player. The best postseason performance you had since Carmelo Anthony or even is when you were in the bubble. So why should we, there's no reason to throw them on TV. So like, well, they're not on national TV. They would be on that just so we're aware, okay? There's different parts of TV companies. But programming, all that they do, their entire job, okay, as programmers, is find the best available games that they can put on their

network and then find the best times to put it on their network. And the only determinant isn't what about the kids. It's what gets the most eyes. Why does the game start at 5.30? Well, it allows people on the West Coast to watch, people on the East Coast. to watch. Why does the NCAA tournament championship start at nine, whatever, on the West Coast? Or start at 630 because they're trying to get the most possible.

There's a math to it. You want it to be, on the East Coast, you want it to end. You know, if it's CBS, you know, they want it to end just into 60 minutes, right? Like a couple minutes into 60 minutes. Then 60 minutes gets a huge, what you would call runoff. We do this in all in TV, in business and sports, right? Whatever your whale podcast is, your whale TV show is, your whale basketball NBA finals game. Like, look, ESPN and Disney, they put in all this money for the ABC to get the NBA finals.

So they're going to adjust the days, the game times to get the most eyes. and they do the same thing in the regular season. Nobody's had to get you. Nobody's trying to dismiss your talent. It's just simply about what gets the most people watching and talking. Now, there's creative and clever ways in which you can talk about some of these secondary and tertiary teams in terms of popularity. And that's you got to challenge yourself to put that in the big boy discussions. But it's not because we don't like Denver or don't respect Denver.

It's just because nobody watches. Nobody cares until they care. I'm Doug Ghalyman for Colin. LeBron's future has been a topic of conversation. I'm going to talk to somebody who wrote a new biography on LeBron. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the IHeart Radio app. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal but encouraged. It's the enhanced games.

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really good weather if you're a duck. We got something called May Gray. This is a little bit much. It drizzled overnight, where I am, and it's like duck weather. It's really, but if it's bad weather, on Memorial Day, it does feel like a day in which you could throw on some 80s movies.

And I hear tears for fears, and I just think 80s movies. Do you, Jay Stu? Do you start thinking, I don't know, sleep a, you start thinking 16 candles or one of those varieties. Oh, absolutely, yeah. Of the John Hughes movies, which would be the first you would throw in. If you had the old cassettes, which would be the first you'd throw.

VHS tapes. Well, first of all, I think the best soundtrack was pretty in pink. Had some psychedelic furs. It had the Smiths. But probably my favorite John Hughes movie, Ferris Bueller, I guess, if I had to pick one. More so than Breakfast Club. Yeah, if I had to pick one. Okay.

Okay. All right, more on that to come. Jeff Benedict joins us. He's a best-selling author, and he's done now the, would it be triumbrant? Jeff, right? You did a biography on, the new one is LeBron. It's out, it's available, wherever you pick up books, or if you want to, you know, download the audio version as well.

But he's done Brady and he's done Jeter as well. Is that triumbrant? Is that how you, is that, you're the word smith. How would you, how would you term? I mean, excuse me, Tiger Woods, Tiger Woods, LeBron James, and Tom Brady. Is that the Triumbrate? Triumann's an interesting word, Doug. I'll make it.

Okay. Help me out. Like, part of your intense research, and by the way, Jeff was kind of to spend about a half hour, 45 minutes with me on a podcast called All Ball, in which he kind of took us through all the different and, fascinating looks at, for example, when LeBron chose Miami, what that was actually like for him emotionally. Different look at some of the stories that you think you know, just a much deeper dive. But help me out, leading up to game four, a couple days before there was the, hey, this might be it for LeBron.

Then there's some questions, and we know he's coming back. But help me. You've explored this. Why would that be part of the conversation for LeBron James when previously was all about playing with Brody? Well, I mean, I think you have to just stick with what he said. You know, first of all, he's coming off a heck of a playoff run, a long run, especially for someone who's 38 years old and has played 20 seasons on a team this year

that started off terribly and then, you know, went much deeper than I think anyone expected them to in the playoffs. And, you know, minutes after the game is over, you start facing questions about the future. And, you know, when he said I have a lot to think about, that's a very true statement. He has more to think about than anybody else in the NBA because he's been the face of the league for 20 years, which is a huge mantle to have on your shoulders. And look, it's going to be different when LeBron's not there anymore,

just like it was different when Michael wasn't there anymore. he'll leave behind a huge hole. But I don't see anybody on the horizon right now who's capable of filling that hole. And he's got so much more going on in his life, partly because he is so much older than the average age of players in the NBA. And it is similar, in a sense, to when Tom Brady was facing the same decision. He was so much older. he was playing with guys whose fathers had played with Tom. And LeBron's in that same position now,

where there are guys coming into the NBA who are sons of people that he's played against. They're generationally different, and because they've been so good for so long, LeBron and Tom, they've built so many other facets to their life, one of which is families. You know, they have kids now that are old enough to be getting ready to go off to college and there just aren't many players in the NBA who have as much going on in their life as in Braun.

And so I think that's what you saw in that press conference was him basically saying without going too deep into it is that I have a lot to think about. Again, like I know you wouldn't say like on a personal level, you know him like his friends know him. But because you've studied it and because you've written this book, I think you have a really good sense of the person that he is. I don't think any of us dispute when he goes out, he's going to go out in a victory tour, right? But does he want to play if he's not?

Like, what is the level of competency he feels like he needs to be able to still play? Because I think that's the hard. That was, like, Kobe, I mean, I had, I had drinks with Kobe, and he was miserable his last season because he just wasn't good enough, right? Somehow he put together that 60-point game. and it was because, honestly, he had signed the contract, and he said he's going to fulfill it, he said he's going to do it, and they were filming a documentary the whole time as well. Like it was all part of posterity.

But, like, in the process of it, he didn't like playing because he wasn't up to his level. What's the level that LeBron needs to be at in order to keep playing? I mean, it's a good question, and I think what's really difficult for, again, I'm going to make a comparison between him and Brady, is that throughout their career, they kept their bodies tuned like Formula One race cars.

Sure. They did things and they made sacrifices, personal sacrifices, to keep their bodies the way they were for so long, which is part of what's enabled them to be great for so much longer than the average sort of greatness run for an athlete. And LeBron's demonstrated. I mean, this year he's done it plenty of times where he showed you in game four. he's still capable of dominating.

He's still capable of putting up 40 points and doing all these things. But he's not 24 anymore. And just like Tom wasn't 24 when he was playing in his early 40s, there are physical limitations. There are certain things he can't do that he used to do. Jordan went through this. And so, I mean, LeBron's made it pretty clear. He's not in it for the fun of going to the playoffs.

He wants to win. Tiger says the same thing. Tiger Woods when he goes into tournaments, but he isn't really capable of winning now because his body just, he has trouble making it through four rounds physically. LeBron's not there. His body's in much better place than tigers,

but I think that that's the hard calculation he has to make. The same calculation Tom had to make, it's less of a physical one and more of a mental, emotional one. Like, do you have what it takes to gear up, to do this again because it is a grind. The NBA season is so long. It starts so early. And if you're going to make the playoffs,

it's almost year-round. And for LeBron, it is year-round because he trains like he's still in season. And so I think that's really the question for him. How many more times is he going to, you know, lace up the shoes and go about it the way he goes about it? It's, you know, clearly really close to the end. What would, and again,

I've read the book. Thank you, by the way, for setting it for me and for doing that pod. But if somebody hasn't read the book, what do you think would surprise them the most? What would surprise them the most? Yeah. But I think it's his origin story. I think, like most people who are, you know, ultra-famous, they're largely misunderstood because there's a certain sort of cocoon around them.

to be for protective reasons, but I think LeBron's origin story is the most surprising. People think they know it, but they really, we really don't know it. And his origin story is more like something out of a novel. It's one of those times with a cliche that fact is better than fiction is true. In this case, it's real and appropriate. I think what LeBron had to go through as a child and as a young man is so unusual, and the odds were so stacked against him to get out, that it informs a lot of who he is today. People say things about him all the time.

They question everything he does, every decision he makes, but a lot of the things he does and the decisions he makes are really informed by what he went through as a young man and how he was raised, and it says a lot about why he's been with the same the girlfriend that he had in high school, who's now he's married to as a wife with kids, the inner circle that he has,

Rich Paul and Maverick and Randy, these are guys that he picked to be his friends when he was a teenager. A lot of these things are, I mean, these are the things that are so rare about him. Basketball stuff is easy to see because you can watch it on TV, but if you look at the things he's done in his personal life,

his private life, there are a lot of, there's a lot of evidence there that LeBron has been really wise in picking his friends, picking who he associates with, and then sticking with them for the long haul. It has a lot to do with why he's in the place he's in today, meaning he's so well positioned when he steps off the stage of basketball for the rest of his life. You know, there was some talk going back to last week about, hey, you know, listen, you could trade him to the Golden State Warriors and get back.

back a bunch of return. And my thought was, well, first, the Lakers would never do it. More than anything, like, LeBron's not doing it. Brony's going to play down the street at SC. Bryce is going to be at Campbell Hall now. Can you see, can you see any possibility that he doesn't live and play in Los Angeles, considering where his sons are playing? All I would say about that is because I don't have any information on any of that. But here's what I would say is that what people, fans need to do in situations like this is Brady, there was all the speculation in New England about what Tom would do, right, at the end. Would he leave the Patriots? Would he not? You know, people couldn't fathom that he would. And what I would say here is,

look at the family. These decisions at this stage of a guy's career are like LeBron or Tom, the decisions are going to be driven largely by family. And so, If you look at where the family is and what the family needs, that's what's going to be the guiding light for the decision in the end, where someone's going to be, where they're going to play, what they're going to do. And that's what I meant when I was referring to earlier when I said he's in a different place than most players. He's almost 40 years old. He's a father and a husband with children that are growing up and venturing out into the world. The status of his family and the needs of his family, that's what's going to guide the decision more than anything. thing. If LeBron wasn't such a family guy, I wouldn't say that, but he is a family guy,

just like Tom is a family guy. And so they are at a certain level, they are like the rest of us in the sense that they're husbands and dads with kids, and they have to run a household and get kids through college, and they have to do all those things, too. And just like the rest of us, those decisions factor very heavily into, like, employment decisions. And that's how I would look at this. Jeff Benedict, who's a best-selling author, the new books called The The Bron. You should pick it up. It's awesome. Of course, he also says the Tiger Woods biography and the Tom Brady biography. All three fantastic, fantastic reads. Jeff, thanks so much for your time. Happy Memorial Day, and appreciate you join us in the herd. Thank you. All right,

that's Jeff Benedict. Let's get to Jason Stewart with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Have you read the Beastie Boys biography? Did not read it, but I saw the documentary, I think that they did in in cahoots with the... Correct. And good? Oh, it's great. Yeah. The documentary is amazing. I got into this great discussion, like origins of hip-hop. Somehow, like my iTunes, I was listening to like old school rap. My iTunes got like,

I had L.O. Cool J, I'm Bad playing. I got this great and somebody's like, dude, you got to pick up that, the Beastie Boys book and then watch the doc that goes with us. Really? Like, yeah. That's exactly right. And just like Jeff Benedict just said, where the origin is kind of the most interesting part that maybe people don't know a lot about.

But that first album that the Beatsy Boys did, the one that everybody knows, the one for fight for your right to party. Licensed to ill. They did not see a dime off the publishing of that. They don't see any money of that to this day. Wow. Everything was from the next album on,

which speaks a lot of. lot to how the industry screws artists. But anyways, Leveon Bell has had an interesting post-playing football career. I think he did some fighting a little bit. But he went on the Steel Here podcast and admitted this. Looking back on this, like, bro, like, that's what I did. Like, you know, when I was playing football, I smoked, bro. Like, even before the games, I smoked.

You know, I'll go out there and work for $150, two tubs. In the NFL? Yeah. Lavian smoked pot before games, Doug. Well, remember, Lavian was the guy who famously bet on himself and sat out, he set out an entire year and never really recruit that money. And then he had that interesting kind of running style where he'd get up to the line of scrimmage and then kind of delay and try and find a hole.

Yeah, I mean, that's an interesting one. Like the pregame smoke is, that's an interesting one. I get that you would feel impervious, but it does feel counter to the fact that you would feel fast or explosive. But yeah, I mean, I guess smoke them if you got them. I don't know. I can't speak to this. I'm the last person to talk to about this. But, you know, artists for years have done whatever mind-alturing drugs to improve their art.

I just don't see. What does it do to athleticism? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Like, is it a performance enhancer? Does it just make you not feel hits, not feel the punishment? And I get it in terms of, like, you know, the rehab when everything's hurting, I'm guessing, like in theory, right? Like, why would you take a pain pill when you can do that, which is, you know, it doesn't wreck your body?

There's not the addictive qualities to it. That said, yeah, it wasn't what I expected to hear your pregame routine. Like, what was your pregame routine? I mean, look, Marshaun Lynch was like, I used to take shots in the locker room. you know and if you've ever been not to an NFL game you've ever been on the field in NFL game and you see how fast and how vicious the hits are you're like you've got to be drunk or high apparently you do

I guess the clubhouse people were quoted they always wondered why they wanted why Levian wanted Taco Bell delivered at halftime this game Taco Bell Funnions yeah lots and lots and lots of water we were on the air on Friday when Deion Andre Hopkins, when the news came down that the Cardinals just out and out released them, right? Well, over the weekend, a couple bits of information came through.

And I guess due to one report from Sports Illustrated said that only the Bills and Chiefs briefly engaged in substantive talks with Arizona. And then Henry McKenna of Fox Sports reported that the Patriots are expected to be a team involved, which is interesting, Doug, right? because Bill O'Brien was his head coach with the Texans. Well, look, I think Bill O'Brien liked him. I think Bill O'Brien, remember, he didn't want to give him the big contract, and there was always the issue that he didn't like to, doesn't like to practice. So, but the Patriot, at some point, you go like, hey, there's a relationship there. You know, he had his best years with me, and I'll do the best,

and we need a top talented wide receiver. And, oh, yeah, by the way, if you know anything about the Patriots, you know, they've had the personal rehab projects as well. You go back to Corey Dillon. You know, kind of their initial Super Bowl winning running back. That was a re-he needed like a personal professional rehab, and that's what DeAndre Hopkins does. It should be interesting to see how that plays out.

Now, we've reached a turn, Doug, in the Major League Baseball season. Traditionally, teams use Memorial Day as kind of a marker to see where they're at, what they need, what they can get rid of. And one team kind of knows what they are and where they're at and where they're going. And it's a historical season. The Oakland A's lost their 42nd game yesterday. In the history of Major League Baseball. 45th game.

That's what I met. Yes. In the history of Major League Baseball, no team has ever lost that many games before June 1st. The Tigers have the worst season of all time when they went 43 and 119 in 20. 2003. The A's are on pace to win 30 games. The Astros social media won the weekend last night when they tweeted out or put out in their social media. Astros score 10 in front of tens in Oakland. Historic season, Doug. Are you interested in this? I mean, it honestly feels like what the Indians in Major League were trying to accomplish.

accomplish. Yes. Feels like Indians and Major League. And it also stings because they have 10 wins. Two of those wins

are over my angels. I just want to point that out. Right? Like two are against Kansas City. All right, Kansas City stinks. One's against Cincinnati. One's against Texas. Who's actually decent this year?

One's against Baltimore. One's against Cleveland. One's against Arizona. Two are against the Angels. One was the first game of the year. That's Jason Stewart with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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That's a good Memorial Day song, right? Feels like this in Yacht Rock are on the docket today. Doug Gottlievin for Colin. This is the herd on Fox Sports Radio, the IHart Radio app. Get you ready for Game 7. Boston Garden. Upcoming top of the hour. I saw this story where there's Dan Bernstein, who's a local radio host

and covers and knows the Bulls. he said that, quote, the Bulls privately believe Lonzo Ball won't ever play again. If you haven't been paying attention to Lonzo Ball's career, he signed with the Bulls and was having a good year shooting 43% from three. He's seen as a very good defender and rebounder for his position. But his knee had another menisical tear, and he actually had to have some sort of additional surgery that's like kind of the experimental pain relieving variety. And it leads many people to think a guy, his knee's never going to be right.

It may be a Brandon Roy situation where his career comes to an unceremonious close. Obviously, he hasn't had the career that Brandon Roy had before Brandon Roy had to call it a career. But it's the idea of a really talented young player who's just had a knee issue. And I've been told by Lakers. people back when he initially hurt his knee. Remember, it happened in his first year in the NBA that they believed that at least a portion of it was those shoes, the big baller brand shoes. And he's been on a podcast talking about he used to change out of the shoe, change the shoes at halftime because they just didn't have, they just didn't have any tack.

And then a buddy of mine was like, so let me get this straight. Lovar took essentially at like a $10 million dollar offer from Nike, which is on the table. And so that's like $10 million. Plus, the guy LeVar had running big baller brand ultimately would conspire to steal money from Lonzo, ignoring all the, you know, warning signs this was happening. He didn't pay Lonzo to wear the product. That same product may have led in small or large part to a knee injury, which became what ultimately took, robbed his career of what could have been.

been, I don't know, $75 million, $100 million in earnings. Even, like, you don't have to be great in the NBA, and he's definitely good enough to make, have a $100 million contract and maybe more depending on longevity. I understand that the aspirations of a dad and trying to break into big business, and there's something very American about it, but there's also something about it where you're, you're dad ends up costing you $100 million? $100 million? So, I don't know.

Thankfully, it feels like the dad has someone told him to dial it way, way back, as Lamello's obviously with Puma. And though not a great year this year because of injury, does feel like he has a much higher ceiling than when Lanzo had, and especially now with Lanzo and his career, maybe coming to an unceremonious end. Like, man, that's just, that sucks. I just hate that for anybody. Like, look, if you're not good enough, you're not good enough.

I wouldn't good enough. At some point, you have to accept that. But when, like, you're not even yet in your prime, when you're in your mid-20s and your body just fails you because you're playing basketball and hurt your knee, like, that one's hard to accept. I think about Lonzo as a Laker fan, and I can't help but think of that first press conference

when Magic Johnson, who was running the team, at the time, said a lot of things about Lonzo, used a lot of superlatives. He pointed to the rafters where his number is and Kobe's and said number two is going to go up in the rafters one day. And how about the angle that the Lakers took Lonzo instead of Jason Tatum? Now, I know you have a story with that. They probably wouldn't have drafted Tatum anyways, but it is... No, they like Jason Taylor.

Oh, they did. Okay. Oh, I mean, listen, they had... Who else was in that draft? What's the game? Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell. Donovan Mitchell.

I mean, like, the workout, if you remember. And look, while we can crush LeVar for the business dealings, he doesn't get drafted by the Lakers, if not for Lovar. Like, LeVar, first, Lonza was really good. And there was a circus. There was a show I meant to it. I thought he'd be the next Jason kid. I bought that.

No question. And I don't think we'll ever know because he hurt his knee in his first year. that he had to change, he had to learn how to play actual basketball, you know, because he hadn't played real kind of refined basketball. He'd never really run pick and roll offensively, defensively, even during his short time at UCLA, and he had to refine his game, but he couldn't work during the offseason because he was hurt both the first two off-season. But you're right.

I mean, he wasn't, he didn't even have a good workout. He didn't. You know, Deerrin Fox, they liked. And Donna Mitchell. They like had better workouts. If you remember, he had a workout and it wasn't good. And then they're like, you know, we'll do a second private workout. And no one got to go except for Magic, Polinka, and like one other guy.

And then, yeah, Magic. He did the Magic thing. He smiled and sold it and said, this is the next guy. Oops. Oops. Did you see that Aaron Rogers was at a Taylor Swift concert? I did. I couldn't stop watching that video.

Okay, so if somebody gave you, somebody like said, hey man, do you want to go to Taylor Swift tonight playing at SoFi? You wouldn't go? You know, I probably would. Yeah. I just, I know a lot of guys that have done Taylor Swift concerts because they have teenage daughters and that's perfectly acceptable. You don't have a teenage daughter. You would not go? If it was free, sure.

I'm guessing he was free. There's also the video where he's uncomfortably kind of moving along to the sounds. He's trying to be Mr. Uny-York. Should the Miami Heat get a pass if they give up the three games done late? We'll discuss next in The Herd. One more Herd? The Herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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