The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Possible issues between Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly, the Chiefs 2-3 start, Greg Cosell

Episode Date: October 9, 2025

Colin talks about the possible disconnect between Raiders HC Pete Carroll and OC Chip Kelly Then, NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell joins the show to dissect the Kansas City Chiefs’ 2-3 start, what’s slowing down Patrick Mahomes, and whether Andy Reid can turn things aroundSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Find your local station for The Herd at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us like live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. We are live in Los Angeles. Dodgers, Phillies this afternoon. Will we go to a game five? Great to be in J-Mack. Greg Kossel is coming up in a couple of seconds. I saw something. I don't think there's trouble in paradise. Chip Kelly went to Ohio State, won a Natty, went back to the NFL, he's now the offensive coordinator for the Raiders.

The Raiders are going to be a fourth place team. They have Gino Smith. Everybody predicted that. I don't think Gino's a great fit anywhere. He's a turnover-laden quarterback, and Pete hates that. But Pete Carroll was talking about the run game. He wants more of it. We got to run the football better.

more and we're going to continue to work at it and see if we can't you know continue to bring it to life the running game has been has looked well in order right now we needed to get more of them that's part of it that's just mixing football that's how you go you do it uh and we don't want to ever rely on the quarterback has to do the whole show and sitting in a shotgun through the football never coached that way and so we have to mix our stuff so that we can use our play action game yeah Pete wants chipped to run the football more that's why they picked ashton gentie that is Pete Pete likes defense in the run game. Gino Smith.

They wanted Matt Stafford. Stafford chose the Rams. I think Pete wanted Sam Darnold reportedly. Not me. This is reported. Tom Brady didn't want Sam Darnold. So I just think you're limited with Gino Smith, but Pete knew him was familiar, but you're limited.

He's going to throw a lot of picks, and it's like a lot. So my question with Pete is not energy. I had no problem with a hire. It's that his last few defenses in Seattle were no way. good and Mike McDonald took over and they're really good. Now, some of that's John Snyder's draft picks. They've hitting a lot of them. But, you know, Jesse Minter shows up to an awful Chargers defense. It is good by week three the next year. Mike McDonald, Seattle, overnight, defense is better. So there's an argument that Pete hasn't reinvented himself defensively, and that's why

it was let go. I have no problem with Pete. I mean, they spent most of their draft picks on offense, you know, the TCU receiver's been, you know, third down guy, Genties really good, some offensive line picks that are okay. But I think the question with the Raiders is, do you get the magic of Pete Carroll's defense, which we really haven't seen since 2017? It's not the offense. Gino Smith, lower your standards, it's not going to be great. Colton Miller's hurt.

Brock Bowers banged up. The offense is just going to be okay. Pete needs to get that defense humming. and the Jesse Minters and Mike McDonald's have been able to do that very, very quickly. And I kind of feel like one of the reasons, Pete, in the end in Seattle, his side of the ball, and that's where I always judge coaches, what are you doing with your side of the ball?

Because I don't blame you if there's mistraft picks. I don't blame you if there's a mediocre to bad quarterback. What are you doing with the Raiders' defense? And right now, actually, it's regressed from Antonio Pierce's defense. Some of that may be injuries, but that's what I'm looking for with the Raiders. The magic on the defensive side. especially in that division with Herbert, Bo Nix, Peyton, and Harbaugh, and Andy Reed and Mahomes.

All right, we go to Greg Kosel, 46 years, NFL films. You know, I would argue this week, and people are pushing back. I said, you can mark it down. With seven coordinators over the last, since 2017, Jared Goff is number one or number two at everything in the NFL. Seven coordinators, McVeigh, Dan Campbell, rebuild in Detroit, and people are like, come on, Hall of Fame. And I think some of it is, his first year was a bust and strong memories, first impressions.

And then Stafford's first year in L.A., he won a Super Bowl. It's like, oh, McVeigh, punted him. But if you go to Stafford and Goff's numbers, all right, since that trade, and remember, Goff had a rebuild for two years in Detroit, golf's numbers are better. When you look at Detroit, does Goff deserve more or less credit? Is it just about the run game, the O-line, or do you watch Goff? And do you say that's an elite quarterback? I would lean more toward that.

I mean, Gough, in many ways, Colin, and you know this, Goff is somewhat of a dinosaur the way people like to talk about quarterbacks now, because he's a pocket quarterback. He's not a playmaker. He's not going to leave the pocket and make those special plays. So Gough, as most quarterbacks should be, is a function of a system, and he can execute a certain system at a... a really high level and he can make throws within that given system. What he does, I believe,

better than any quarterback in the NFL is throw the ball between the numbers. He's a window thrower at, let's say, 16 to 25 yards. Those are very difficult throws to make in the National Football League. And he, I think he's the best at it. But again, he's in many respects. People look at the Mahomes, the Allens, the, obviously Lamar, even Burrow, when he's healthy, moves around quite a bit as a better athlete than a lot of people might think. These are the quarterbacks we look to now, and Goff's not that guy. He's essentially a pure pocket quarterback, but at an extremely high level. So I thought Mahomes was really, you know, he didn't see Devin Lloyd.

Sometimes you don't see in cluttered congested areas. You just don't see a linebacker. And so I was more troubled with Trevor Lawrence's fumble at the one or his pick. I mean, Brady threw a pick six and a Super Bowl. did not see Devin Lloyd. He did not see him. But I think the last two weeks, with a bunch of young receivers and new guys, I don't know what the film says. I think Mahomes is really dialed in right now. And again, this is not a great O line. They have no running game. They don't have a number one receiver. I think he's playing exceptionally well. What's the film say? You know what, Colin, it's a very odd offense to watch because there's very little rhythm and timing to the offense. There's a lot of of short throws, those obviously have some rhythm. When I say short throws within maybe six yards of the line of scrimmage, occasionally they'll take a deep shot. There's almost no timing and

rhythm intermediate passing game. We just spoke about Jared Goff. There's none of that with the offense for the Chiefs, and we haven't seen that maybe for a year, year and a half. And then Mahomes makes special plays. His spatial awareness is as good as anybody we've ever seen. His ability to move away from people, keep his eyes downfield with unbelievable vision, maybe the best we've ever seen. But from an offensive conceptual standpoint, you just don't see a lot of rhythmic throws, as I said, let's say, between 15 and 25 yards. And I don't know why, I can't answer as to why you don't see that, what the issue is, but you just don't see it. It's very much a random offense with, can Mahomes make plays, and he's so good at it, and he's so good on third down, particularly

using his legs, that it's a tough offense to defend because defenses have to change the way they play. So I want to talk about Eagles Broncos, and I'll start with Bo Nix, who Vic Fangio had his number. And then in the fourth quarter, between the play calling, Bo Nix, get the ball out quick, suddenly Denver got into a rhythm, and it was really pretty, and it was chunk, chunk, chunk, What did Bo Nix and Sean Payton do in the fourth that they couldn't do early? I don't know if it was so much that they did anything dramatically different. I mean, obviously, the 3rd and 15 play was great. I mean, that was a big-time play, and that came against zone coverage.

But in the fourth quarter, he also hit Cordell and Sutton on two back-shoulder fades, where Quigionin-Mitchell had great coverage, and it was just good on good, and Nix and Sutton beat Mitchell. Those were just back-should. That was match-up football. seeing one of them right now. They started to run the ball a little bit, which they couldn't do early in the game. You know, Nick's just hung in there and played. I mean, I don't, I didn't see, watching that tape, I didn't come away feeling like, wow, all of a sudden, Bo Nex turned it on,

and he played great. When you get, in the past game, and you know this, Colin, you get matchup football or you get schematic football where the scheme presents a clean, defined read for the quarterback. But you also get matchup football where it's one-on-one and your guy wins and sometimes he doesn't win. I mean, Nick's made a great throw on the second play of the game to Sutton on a vertical route where he got on top of Mitchell and Sutton dropped it. You know, so these things happen as well. But Sutton's a tough cover and they put Mitchell on him in Sutton won in the fourth quarter. So Philadelphia is not doing anything particularly well. So let's just, Let's just concentrate on this.

I would argue, you know, week one, they didn't even throw to AJ Brown. But in the last four weeks, he's getting as many targets statistically as Justin Jefferson. So they're trying to get in the ball. And it's still not working. Rams the exception. So why don't AJ and Jalen Hertz work consistently? Because they're trying. The targets tell you they're trying.

Well, first of all, let's start with what they have to be based on what the quarterback is and what he isn't, which they know in the building, by the way. The quarterback has limitations in terms of where he can throw the ball effectively. He's very good throwing it outside the numbers. We saw that in the Rams game a few weeks ago. When starting in the second half, they did go 101 to A.J. Brown versus the Rams corners who are not high-level corners. But one thing Jalen Hertz has never done particularly well, he's not a window throw.

He doesn't throw the ball between the numbers. And as I said, we were talking earlier, 15 to 25 yards. In fact, he's got the fewest attempts of any quarterback in the league throwing the ball between 15 and 25 yards between the numbers. He doesn't see the game that way. They have to be a running football team, and right now they're not running the ball at all. And the O line is hurt, it's banged up, and it's not played anywhere near as well as it has the last three, four years, when it was arguably the best in the league. I mean, they gave the ball to Barclay five times in the first half last week in a game they were winning, and in the second half they gave it to him one time.

They have to be a running football team. They are not a passing team. Even last year winning a Super Bowl, they were not a passing team. Jalen Hertz had 10 games last year, Colin where he threw for less than 200 yards. One of the best, not the best, one of the best things about Hertz is he never turns it over.

That's critical for how they play. But as far as the passing game, it has limitations. You know this. Every coach plays to his quarterback. So when you watch a team and see what they do, think about what they do and then think about the quarterback. So there are 15 quarterbacks right now in the NFL with a passer rating over 100. There were six two years ago. That's a lot.

Yeah. So I think there's a lot of good offensive coaches. I think there's a lot of zone. So for a lot of these veteran guys like a Darnold or a Baker or a Dack, you know, it's throw it to a spot, Jared Goff. And they're really good at that to very much a zone lead. Right, right. But, I mean, Dax's pretty amazing. CD's out.

I would argue they don't even have a dependable number two receiver. It's more threes. Their tight ends okay. O line still feels like to me it's a little patchwork and it's okay. The film may say something different. The run game is fine. It's not special. And here's Dak putting up big numbers with a bunch of kind of number three receivers

and solid tight ends not special. I mean, all these years and all these. these snaps. We don't, we didn't love the staff that was hired. Well, maybe they're better than we thought, but what does the film say on DAC? Because is, is there a quarterback in the league doing more without special surrounding talent? Well, I think what DAC, and we talked about this, I remember we had this discussion two, three years ago. What DAC has evolved into as he's advanced in his career and had a number of leg injuries is he is an efficient distributor of the football. He's a He's an executor. He's very, very good at it. That's what his game is. And when you put him with a

Brian Schadenheimer, who's actually very good orchestrating an offense, you get an efficient pass game. But the one place where I might disagree with you a little bit is I think their run game has been better than you think. Javante Williams is starting to look more like he did coming out of North Carolina when he was in his first year with the Broncos before all the leg injuries. He's, I think, fourth or fifth in the league in rushing. He's pretty high up, and he's averaging close to six yards of carry. And their run game now is very, very viable. It's a meaningful, significant part of what they do offensively. Okay, I want to talk about, first of all, a quarterback who I liked a lot,

who has grown quickly, and then a team I like a lot that I think of people are surprised by. So let's start with Drake May. Listen, I predicted they'd make the playoffs. I'm a huge fan of Vrable. But let me be clear. I like Drake May a lot. But in the last two to three weeks, he's taking it to a different level. And I still don't think they have elite personnel.

I like their backs. But I don't think they have elite offensive personnel. Something has clicked. What is it? Well, it's funny because I actually think he's played this way from week one. It's just they've won a couple of games recently and then makes it appear that he's playing better. I think right from the beginning of this season, Colin, he's been outstanding in areas you never expect a second year quarterback to be good at.

That's on third down. He's been outstanding on third down. He's been outstanding versus pressure. And they're starting to throw the ball more on first down, which is always the best down to throw, because you get much more predictable front looks, you get more predictable coverage looks, You just get a better feel for the quarterback when you call plays and it's first in 10 or normal down-and-distance situations. So I would argue, and I agree with you 100%. I think he's been really good from week one.

It's just they had a big win on national TV on the road in a very difficult place to play when he was really, really efficient. So it just made it seem like he's playing better recently. But I think he's played like this since week one. So a team that, and in this league, when I had... had text and occasional general manager is that you can do so many things right as a GM. But if you don't have the quarterback right, people for years have been on Chris Ballard and Indy. And I've been saying, I follow the draft.

I like their roster. I think it's good. I think they have good weapons. I think their O line. You can tell me about the film says, but I think their O line is way above average. And all of a sudden they get Daniel Jones playing well. and I'm like, okay, they've had the roster. They had the Rams beat two weeks ago.

They've got the players. But I think all of us are holding our breath on Daniel Jones. He looks a little stronger. He looks more confident. His body language is better. What is it with Stuyken and Daniel Jones? Because I don't think it's one of these, you know, September, early October runs that Brian Fitzpatrick had,

you know, a couple of those. It's like, no, I think this is going to last. I think Daniel's pretty good now. I think Colin this speaks to the marriage of coaching and quarterback play, which I've just come to believe is so, so important. Because when I watch this team, I see Shane Steichen really presenting Jones with his route concepts with a lot of clean, defined reads. So he's comfortable turning the ball loose to the primary receiver.

And one thing for people to notice with Daniel Jones is rarely, and you saw this a lot with the Giants, obviously, you rarely see him get stuck in the pocket where it seems as if he has nowhere to throw the football. He drops back and he's decisive and he's decisive because the receiver that he looks at first, the primary, is available to him. And I think that the scheming of an offense of a pass game, the way a coach calls a game throughout the game has so much to do with quarterbacks. You know, when we see a quarterback throw to a relatively open receiver,

and Jones has done a lot of that this year, We always say that's great quarterback play, but really he's being set up for great quarterback play. And I think the marriage has been outstanding. And Jones has been so good, especially on first down, where, again, we just spoke about that. They are really, really good throwing the ball on first down. There are two teams in this league that I like a lot, and they're both very young, Green Bay and Seattle. And Green Bay, as young teams are prone to do, Green Bay is struggling to figure out. how to close out games against inferior teams, Cleveland, Dallas. Seattle, young team,

second youngest offense, couldn't close it out, although they were on the doorstep against the Niners, and they couldn't close it out against Tampa. So I think Green Bay and Seattle are very good. They may be a year away. I don't think the Packers are. But when you watch Sam Darnold in those losses to San Francisco or Tampa, does it make you think, oh, turnovers not quite good? same old Sam, or are you watching, are you watching Sam and you're thinking, this is an elite top 10, 12 quarterback? I would tend more toward what you just said at the end of that. You know, that interception he threw last week, that was a classic Todd Bowles pressure, and they got in clean, Winfield got in clean, and then he threw and it hit the helmet of a

defensive lineman. Now, I don't know if it would have been complete. Otherwise, it probably wouldn't have been, but it probably wouldn't have been an interception. But Darnold, you know, you know, You know, you've always liked him. He's a big physical guy. He throws the ball really well. Again, you're dealing now with a system where he seems more decisive than ever. And that's the key for him because he's not most quarterbacks, but it's more true of some than others. And it's true of Darnold.

The longer he stays in the pocket, the worse he is. So you have to design your system and your route concepts against anticipated coverages so that he can hit that back foot and deliver the football. So they've been able to do that really, really well, and he's performed, I think, at a really high level. And the other important point, Colin, he's only been sacked six times in five games. Their O-line this year, Charles Cross at the left tackle, a top 10 pick, is clearly having the best year of his career. Yeah, he came out highly coveted. All right, we're going to last next couple of minutes to wrap it up.

We're going to talk Baker Mayfield. Right. So, I mean, let's face it, Tampa is a big play offense, and they're doing it. with this unbelievable rookie. But what I like about Baker is Baker's always had great confidence and trust in himself. And now, even without Mike Evans or Bucky Irving, like he's got some weapons. Ibuka looks like rookie of the year stuff. He's a sensational talent.

So this was one of the best, most entertaining games in the last couple years. It was epic. It was an electric game on a beautiful Pacific Northwest Sunday. What did you see from Baker? Well, I think what? There were 10 incompletions in the whole game by both quarterbacks. It was crazy. Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly decisive because he throws,

and I know we've talked about this over the years, he throws a great ball, a way better ball than people might think because he's not a big imposing-looking guy. He's not like Jared Goff, who just looks big and imposing. But he has a really good arm, throws a great ball. He's always been very aggressive throwing it too, with that mindset that he has. And as you get older, I think he just knows, just from playing, just from experience, you know, getting more and more at bat, so to speak.

He just has a better feel for when I can turn it loose, when I don't have to turn it loose. But he turns it loose when necessary, and he's got a big arm, and he can make really difficult throws, and he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw when the situation demands it. And again, I think he's now with the same system, even though he's, Cohen isn't there. It's essentially the same system as it was, and you can tell he's extremely comfortable. And there are certain throws always that stand out to me where it's a combination of scheme and the throw. And if you want, we can go right to the play that I want to show because I think this is a really good example of it. So let's take a look at Baker from this,

this is from last week. And as I said, this is just a really good combination of scheme and in a really good throw. That just seems like, oh, he's open. But it's not. quite that simple. So we're going to see him under center. And by the way, we don't see a lot of quarterbacks under center. So the fact that he's under center is a big deal. And it's what we call a three by one set. You have three receivers to the wide side of the field. And that's a bucca up top is what we call the boundary X, the single receiver to the short side of the field. Now what's he looking at Baker initially? Two high safeties. But that's going to change. Now what they're going to call here, and you're seeing more and more of this in the league, Colin, motion. You're

seeing motion. Shepherd is going to cross the formation, and what jet action, whatever people want to call it, and then he's going to release inside of a buca. Now notice that the coverage has changed. It is now covered three, so it went from too high to cover three, and Baker turns his back a little bit because it's play action. So what you're going to get here is Shepard, the motion receiver, running a vertical route, and you're going to get a buca running essentially a wheel route. So it's two vertical routes. And what's this is going to do is it's going to put the corner. I think it's Josh Job here, who's actually become a very good player, but it's going to put him in conflict because you can see his body is turned towards Shepard running that vertical route because he knows

that his safety is coming from the other side. So now with his body turned that way, he cannot play the wheel route at all by Abuka. It's just he's in conflict. It's just too hard. And then, so what happens is you get a Bucca running the wheel in the deep third of the corner. That's his responsibility, but he can't get there. Now, this is not an easy throw, by the way, because he has to throw it over the top of that underneath defender, which you're going to see here. So it might look easy because it looks like the Bucca's wide open, but it's not easy. So again, this is just a perfect example, again, of scheming and making good throws. And I think ultimately the good passing games are about that. Yep. Greg Kossel, Thursday as always,

We get smarter. Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Emeka Igbuka is currently a sizable favorite to an offensive rookie of the year, and he went to go 19th from my GM, Jason, who's just done a terrific job in Tampa for a long time. They get Mike Evans back soon. Bucky Irving will be back. That's a dangerous Tampa.

I mean, I can't see him in the Super Bowl, but they're going to be contenders in the There are certain things, they have a good enough O-line. There are certain things that really matter in January football. You know, like speed is always important, but Miami was really fast. Speed's less important in January. Efficiency, power becomes, because it's bad weather and it's windy. And you need like tough, resilient, physical, powerful players. That's why, you know, you start looking at teams.

that win and players that really become Hallmark players. What's great about Abuka is you can run him deep or you can run him underneath. He can do multiple patterns. He's not your classic. If he was fast, he would have been a top seven pick because his game was flawless but he's not a burner. He's just

a total route tree, mature adult. He's one of those guys like Amaran St. Brown. Rookie year, you're like you think he's 33. No diva, all grown up. You don't expect a lot of that. strangely, the biggest question with Tampa might be their MVP candidate, Colin.

I know we love Baker. He's having a great year. He's among the league leaders in turnover-worthy plays. And, you know, so far they've broken his way. They're winning games at the buzzer by three. Colin, we know at some point that is going to stop. And what happens when they're losing those coin flip games, not as dangerous. This was going to be a positive Baker day.

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No, no, no, no, turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Colin, unfortunately, let's go back to the Blue Jays and their win over the Yankees. Five, two last night, eliminating the once dominant Yankees from the postseason. What year was that? I don't know if I can even read this. New York wasn't even competitive in the final in the first two games getting outscored 238. The Yankees now have a 16-season championship drought, the third longest in franchise history.

Aaron Judge did his part as... No, he hit very, very well. He had a big moment. He did his part, but again, they're totally relying on him. Just like last year, Garrett Cole doesn't pitch against the Dodgers. They don't, they don't compete. So they're just, they're very top-heavy. You know, they've spent a lot of money, and they've had the same people in that front office for a long time.

I heard Jeter say that, and I was like, hmm. The Steinbrenners are very comfortable with good. Are you comfortable with good? Well, if I spent as much money as the Yankees did, I would argue they're not spending it as wisely as Milwaukee. or Seattle. Now Seattle's going to get expensive here. They got some guys in arbitration. So Seattle right now is young and ascending, but they're on the cheap. They won't be for long. But not everybody has the Dodgers payroll, but, you know, the Mets underachieved. See, the Mets underachieved. I don't think the Yankees underachieved.

The Yankees could be worse. You could be the Mets. Well, no, no. If Garrett Cole was healthy with Max Fried, I don't know if you'd have won this series, but you'd be a different looking team. You'd have two strong players. and a couple of big power hitters. You're still not very good defensively. You don't run the base as well. You can't play small ball. You're uneven.

But a lot of this is Garrett Cole got hurt. Okay, now you're not the same team. And I think that, you know, it's, that's a big part of this sport. So do you want to relish in some Blue Jays sound from last night? Sure. Sure. Let's go. I want to hear it.

Hear it. Dahl it. Dahlie. Yankee loose. Let's go, baby. Let's go. All right, we can put a bow in the season now. You've heard your Vlad.

Not in Toronto, no bow. They're just to unwrap it in the present. Let's move on to the NFL. Tua, one of your favorite quarterbacks, man. He's getting a lot of heat on social media amid the dolphins' terrible start, the loss to the Panthers. Tua was asked by the Miami media about how he deals with outside noise. Got to say, love this answer, Colin.

I'm not on social media. Like, I don't have any of that. And then outside of that, I go home, I see my kids, whether I throw five picks or five touchdowns, we win the game, we lose the game. I get to come home to my kids who are happy to see me every time. Yeah, he's got his life center. That's the reality in life. Well, when you're a quarterback. He's not just a football player.

He's a father and a husband. I know. That sounds great. No, that's the reality. Well, I mean, it's like, don't be, don't be, you can't be defined by your job. If you think Tom Brady, you think quarterback. When you think Kobe Bryant, you think basketball player. That is when you are president, you're not defined by your kids as much.

You're president. That's a reality of jobs. I think what he said is wonderful. I think it makes everybody feel warm and fuzzy. But the truth is, when you get paid a lot and you're a professional athlete and a quarterback, you know, your GM, your coach, your owner, your fans, people want you to win a lot of games. And so you're going to get heat.

I think it's great that he's centered, but I'm not surprised he's centered. He's always been that kind of guy. He's always a smart. He's a big, broad, smart guy, got convicted, religious conviction. And he's always been a very balanced, good human being. But again, it's what he said is true.

But being a quarterback, part of it is dealing with heat. It's hard. And that's how he deals with it. He avoids social media. Well, no, that's smart. That's super smart. That's nonsense. Yeah. Dealing with the heat from fans, whatever. Like, hey, you never want to get too high, never want to get too low.

Yes, yes. You lose to the Panthers. Hey, man, that's bad. That's not great. You know what? They beat the Jets two weeks ago. Was that great? I mean, like, I don't know. I mean, I kind of like what Tu is saying. No, I think it has absolutely redeemable value. I think he's right, and I think he's centered. But it is, sports is cruel. It's demanding quarterbacks be 38 years old when they break.

of the league. You've got to be an adult. You are the CEO on the field, and it's hard, and the criticism's harsh, and I'm glad that two is centered, because it is brutal. Chiefs 15 and 2 last year, and Patrick Mahomes ended the season getting his butt kicked by the Eagles. And criticize. Criticize heavily. They went 15 to 2. Like, come on. You get winning the Super Bowl every year. That's right. Nobody, Tom Brady didn't do that. Final story, Colin, is the 49ers quarterback room. My goodness, what is going on? So Brock Purdy did not practice yesterday. still nursing that toe injury.

They're saying Mack Jones is going to start, but he got dinged up. Remember against the Rams? They're calling it a knee in an oblique. Mack is undefeated, but this could be a tall order against the bucks. They got extra time off. I'm seeing Joanne Jennings, unlikely. Pearsall, unlikely. Is this going to be the-I thought you liked the Niners this weekend?

I know. I was waiting for the injury report. I'm trying to text the headline guy. Can we back off the Niners? How do you injure? a knee at practice. I mean, at quarterback. Well, did you see the way he got, like, drilled into the ground, and both of his legs kind of moved funny?

Okay, so it wasn't at practice. No, no, no. Okay, I thought it, my bet, my bad, I thought it got hurt at practice. I mean, he's just limited with it. I mean, he's banged up. You know, McEnroe Jones, your guy. I had liked the Niners here. If this touches three and a half, you know,

give me Shanahan all day. All right. Yeah. You just can't commit the Baker and the Bucks. I like them, but they're not. They're getting lucky every week. You have to admit that at the end of games. No, I didn't think last week was luck.

I thought it was great coaching. 35-0 and they kick a field goal. Well, they got a great classic Todd Bowles blitz call, and Baker was unbelievable. Well, wait, didn't the ball, didn't Sam Darnold's pass go off like a helmet? It was deflected. It was congested, and that, that chaos was created by Todd Bowles. There's no such thing as winning lucky in the NFL. That word's nonsense.

You don't think fumble luck is a thing? Yeah, but it goes both ways. It does. And everything's going to campus way. Okay, I don't think it is. Yeah, I'm going to disagree with that. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

The Heard Line News. We haven't done all week. We haven't looked at the schedule and kind of made our, called our upset yet. We usually at this time, it's Thursday. We usually go out and say, okay, there's your up. So we've been pretty good at this. You're locked in on baseball right now.

I mean, we're not have time for this. Got to go over Brewer's lineup card. I mean, have you seen it today or no? No, I haven't. I'm going home today, cleaning the apartment, and watching the Phillies Dodgers in the afternoon. There is nothing better. Big night for Philadelphia sports, right?

You got Phillies and you got Bullies. It's a huge night. Huge night. A lot of call-in six tomorrow in Philadelphia. They're throwing, aren't they throwing their ace, fillies? I'm telling you right now, watch out. Yeah, Jill and Hurts is pitching tonight. Watch out, because last night, they didn't do anything at the top.

Dodgers didn't do anything at the top of their order. Watch out, Dodger fans. This is not always. over. Like you can feel the Brewers Cubs is over before it's over. I said yesterday, the Jays were going to beat the Yankees. The starting pitching could not get them out. Is Otani?

He would go game five, right? I think so. Okay. But I think the Dodgers, Phillies, I picked them to win. It would not shock me if they came back. Real quick, because the pressure's on the Dodgers in a game five. Right now, Philadelphia is coming in loose and free. How about the

Phillies jerseys last night? Old It might be the coolest jerseys in the history of baseball. They're up there with those Padres ones from the 80s. Do you remember? You don't remember. I don't, but I had the baseball cards with Mike Schmidt. How about I tell you the lineup for the Phillies back in the 70s? How about no?

Greg Lazinski, Baked McBride, Larry Boa, Dave Cash, Mike Schmidt. Schmittie, everybody knows Schmidt. I think those other names are just made up. You're just coming up with, like, Harold Smith at the hot corner. Bake McBride used to choke up on. his bat. Greg Lazinski, the bull, batting fourth. Mike Schmidt batted third. Pete Rose came over eventually. We got to get you on Jeopardy or something with his 70s baseball. The old, very reluctant, quiet Steve Carlton, who would only cash with Tim McCarver.

Jeez. Wow. A lot of you guys were out there socializing. I was home memorizing baseball lineups in the 70s. I was doing prep for the herd when I was like nine. Oh my goodness. It's the herd. sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon eastern 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio FS1 and the IHeart Radio app. Hey, it's us

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I'm going to take USC close. I'm just telling you, Lincoln's offense is fine. But I don't buy into this. All these Big Ten Co. or these pack 12 coaches. Oh, the travel and Big Ten coach. Oh, the travel.

Oh, get over it. You have four roadies a year. Get over it. I feel bad for the volleyball team that, you know, I mean, like some of these secondary teams that are never in class that have to play like multiple games. Football, he got four road games. The USC doesn't play road games out of conference much. You got four roadies.

I mean, Washington had to go to Maryland. Well, you just hosted Ohio State. So I don't want to hear about that. But the criticism of Lincoln Roddy, that's fair. is since he's been at USC and at Oklahoma, that he has developed power run games, but the defenses aren't good. That was the knock at Oklahoma.

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I don't know them good enough. How come Indiana can be a six-point dog at Otson? That's what Ole Miss would be. But we view Ole Misses up here and we view Indiana. SEC gets the benefit of the doubt. Yeah. Okay. Indiana is Ole Miss.

The line is telling you, Ole Miss had played on a neutral field, Indiana. Ole Miss is a favorite by one, one and a half. because go look at the Oregon line now at Outson Stadium. Indiana is a viable dog. I thought it would go up to eight. I was waiting.

But this kid Mendoza, like he's 6'5, looks the part. This is his chance to put his name in the conversation for the NFL draft. Okay, so Urban Myers on tomorrow to talk about these games. Indiana, Oregon is really interesting. USC Michigan is really interesting. So it is funny about Baker Mayfield

because of my history with Baker Mayfield. But Tom Brady this week, he does a top 10. Brady is on the Baker train. Here it is. The Bucks come in at number three. They go on the road to Seattle. Does anyone know how hard it is to play there? And I see you Baker talking that.

You go, man, you play like that. You can always talk that. So he has him at number three. I had him at number two behind Detroit. Listen, generally I don't like my quarterback jawing with fans. I don't think it's really an adult move. but I do think you have to be honest with Baker, and that is his personality. It's who he is.

He's not the tallest. He's not the most athletic. A lot of his special is he's got a really good arm. He throws a beautiful deep ball. He's athletic enough. Here's Greg Kosell and what he's seeing with Baker. Baker's at the point in his career where he's incredibly decisive, because he throws, and I know we've talked about,

about this over the years. He throws a great ball, a way better ball than people might think, because he's not a big, imposing-looking guy. He's always been very aggressive throwing it, too, with that mindset that he has. And as you get older, I think he just knows, just from playing, just from experience, you know, getting more and more at bat, so to speak, he just has a better feel for when I can turn it loose, and he can make really difficult throws. And he doesn't shy away from any difficult throw when the situation demands it. And for the record, a lot of our best quarterbacks have been a little reckless. Farv, Elway would throw it into traffic.

Farv. I mean, Aaron Rogers was one of the first where you got the upside with no downside. Mahomes, upside, no downside. Josh Allen used to be reckless. I mean, you know, Brady was never a big interception guy, but Tom would let it loose. Andrew Luck, Joe Namath, you go back. A lot of our best quarterbacks, they can go sideways. They can take big shots.

So, I mean, I'm not going to, I don't want somebody that's not willing. It's the old Bill Parcells was always like, if you're not throwing occasional interceptions, I don't want safe guy. You've got to throw it down the field. That doesn't mean Bill Parcells was rooting for interceptions, but if you're going nine for nine it practice every day in your red zone drills, you're probably throwing it underneath constantly. Like, you got to let it rip.

You got to let it go. And again, I don't want Alex Smith to let it rip because he didn't have a huge arm. He knew what he could do. Baker's got a big boy arm. Donald's got a big arm. Farve had a big arm. You almost owe it to yourself. If you've got a great arm, Josh Allen's got a great arm.

You owe it to yourself to let it rip. Alex Smith didn't. I don't want you taking those chances. Matt Ryan didn't. Okay, I don't want you taking it. I mean, I don't think Jalen Hertz has a huge arm. I want the underneath stuff. But if you got it, you got the talent, let it rip.

And Baker does. And yeah, he's going to have more turnover-worthy plays. I can live with it. I really can't. Brady's won Super Bowls right through a pick six. And he's lost Super Bowls, Philadelphia, where he was virtually perfect. Got to make plays. Phil Sims, hour three.

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