The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - QB rankings

Episode Date: August 9, 2023

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I texted him after that. He's such a humble kid, such a good kid. We're very lucky right now in the NFL. The Johnny Mansells wash themselves out. Overwhelmingly, the quarterbacks, the faces of the franchise are really humble, hardworking, focused kids. I want to talk about a guy that's not a kid, Kirk Cousin. So he's been great in this. Netflix documentary series on quarterbacks.

Unbelievable family man, great dad, great husband, really good quarterback and a really good guy. Impossible not to like him. You know, like he takes a lot of crap, but he's just, he feels like an old school guy with old school sensibilities, incredibly likable. I like new stuff, but there's nothing wrong with old school. And Kirk feels his values, his morals, he feels kind of old school traditional, unbelievably likable. But it's interesting that he really is the NFL equator.

He's the median line, the line of DeMar Cousins, is that when Mike Sando came out with his quarterback tiers last week, I thought what was really interesting is that Kirk Cousins was at the bottom of Tier 2. every quarterback above Kirk Cousins, Mahomes, Burrow Allen, Josh Allen, Aaron Rogers, Herbert, Jalen, Hurts, Lamar, Jackson, Trevor, Dach, Matthew, Stavard, Deshawn Watson, every one of those has a wildly tribal, vocal, and loyal fan base. They're considered great. Even after bad games, Dak has unbelievable support. Then there's cousins at 12 and look at the quarterbacks who follow him. All of them have critics, even Russell Wilson, who won a Super Bowl and got to do.

Kyler Murray, you don't like his attitude. Derek Carr, he's not a go-for-it guy. Gough's not mobile. Tua can't stay healthy. Garoppolo's overrated. Daniel Jones stinks. Gino Smith can't run it back again. Justin Fields is 5 and 20.

We'll wait and seat. Ryan Tannahill, not very good, can't trust him. who most of you don't like, although I do. It's literally the line of Demar Cousins. It's Kirk Cousins. He cuts right in the mail. Anybody above is viewed as a star and you support, even in Bad Sundays. They're your guy.

They're considered very talented and you're mostly lucky to have them. The people below, many of whom are just as talented or more talented than ones above them, mostly have critics so far or haven't delivered on the promises or what our perception was of their talent or ability. The line of DeMar Cousins. Mark Wilf, the co-owner,

talked yesterday or the day before about the future of Kirk Cousins in Minnesota. Well, we feel great about the quarterback situation. Kirk's an outstanding leader. He's led this team incredibly these past few years and we're looking for great things for him in 2023. and I know there's discussions all the time on all these topics, especially quarterback. And I know Quasi and coach are always communicating with Kirk and everybody,

but we're real happy to have him lead our team. Well, he's good. He's occasionally very good and shrinks in big games. But here's the thing about Kirk Cousins, and this is really powerful, especially in the corporate world. He provides stability. and GMs and owners are terrified of chaos at quarterback. That's how you lose your job.

That's how you lose your job is that Kirk Cousins starts for you and he is stability. And that's made him a lot of money. As an NFL starter in Washington and Minnesota, we know exactly what he is. He's been 13th in passing yards per game, 10th in TD to interception ratio, and ninth in passer rating. He is ultimately the NFL equator. Stars above him, questions, critics, naysayers of the quarterbacks below him. I like him.

I've never loved him. All right. I thought this was interesting. Somebody told me this years ago, when you get the quarterback right in the NFL, everything else falls into place. That if you get the quarterback right and you can't figure it out after that, then it's on you. Like right now the Chargers know they got the quarterback right. Do they have the coach right? Some say yes. Some say no. I saw some anonymous executive yesterday took a shot at Brandon

Staley. I don't know if he's good. I thought at the end of last year's defense played better, but to blow that lead in the playoff game was really, really egregiously bad. It happens. So there's a holdout with Patrick Mahomes. But Patrick Mahomes takes it to another level. And Brady did this in New England. Is that when you have a star quarterback, It allows you to not be great everywhere else. Cincinnati gets to a Super Bowl. They didn't have the safeties or linebackers, and the O line wasn't great. Mostly the linebackers, let's just look, because they had it.

I think they had Vaughn-Belle. They got to a Super Bowl. Didn't have a very good line backing corps, and the O-line was a bit of a mess. It's since he arrived, been a bit of a mess. And he got to a Super Bowl and was an Aaron Donald Sackaway from potentially winning the Super Bowl. And that's what star quarterbacks do. Matt Stafford didn't have a great offensive line his first year in Los Angeles. weren't very good at safety, linebacker, and they won the Super Bowl.

Odell Beckham got hurt at half, having a great game. They won the Super Bowl. And so a star quarterback allows you some latitude to whiff and a draft pick, to have injuries. But I think Brady and New England did this, and it's very rarefied air, it's very unique. And I think Mahomes is doing this, is that even a holdout to a crucial player in a crucial position, I don't know the impact it would have. So Chris Jones is a great defensive lineman.

After Aaron Donald, argument last half decade, he's been the best interior defensive lineman in the league after Aaron Donald last five years. He is fantastic. And there's a holdout situation. And he posted a cryptic tweet, KC dot dot dot, dot, I love you. Are the chiefs impervious, literally impervious? to chaos, will it matter? So Mahomes got hurt in the Super Bowl.

It didn't matter they won. They rebuilt their defense. It didn't matter they won. They rebuilt their O line in one off season. Didn't matter they won. They lost their number one wide receiver, Tyreek Hill, rebuilt their wide receiving core. They were actually better.

The only kryptonite so far to the Kansas City Chiefs, The only kryptonite is they lost excellent left tackle Eric Fisher in the AFC championship game, I think against Buffalo, and they just didn't have enough time to solve it in time for the Super Bowl two weeks later. So their enemy was time. Chris Jones is excellent. There's no question he enhances the pass rush to a level it can't meet without him. But Brett Veet recruits or drafts very well.

they've got an excellent rush end from Purdue, who's only getting better. Bolton the linebacker's excellent, only getting better, and they had eight rookies start on defense. With Spagg, Steve Spagnola, they're going to probably all get better. Mahom's talent allows you to rebuild, holdouts, chaos, drama, stars leave, and they're often better. Eight rookies played on defense and started games. started at some point. And they won the Super Bowl. That makes no sense. I mean, people are saying, well, Rams, look at all these rookies on the Rams defense. Malmes is like, yeah, and I'm also going to do a Netflix series during it. You can tape me all year, and I'm going to win a Super Bowl. So in the first

year, Mahomes, his first Super Bowl year, the Chiefs were 17th in defense, below average. It didn't matter. They fell behind by 20 points in playoff games. It didn't matter. It didn't matter. Rebuilt O-lines, defense, receiving course. It didn't matter. It's very similar to Brady in his prime. Not early Brady and maybe not the last year of Brady. But Brady for about a 12-year cycle felt like you could lose Randy Moss. It didn't matter.

You could rebuild the O-line. It didn't matter. The defense wasn't quite as good. It didn't matter. And as the league has become more quarterback-dependent and quarterback-dependent and quarterback-centric, and Mahomes is arguably, but I think many believe this, the single greatest talent to ever play the position, what would Chris Jones holding out do? I don't know.

It's something, but I almost believe we're getting into an Andy Reid, Mahomes, great GM, solid ownership, Travis Kelsey. We're getting into this sort of impervious level where, you know, you think you want to play with a great quarterback, but in New York with Daniel Jones, it only empowers Seekwon Barclay. It only empowers offensive teammates. Is Mahomes so great like Brady that you can move off virtually anybody? Is he impervious? And I love Chris Jones, but I wonder, this game has never been more offensive driven, never more quarterback driven, and Brady didn't have an offensive head coach. Mahomes has more raw talent and the best offensive coach, arguably,

next to Bill Walsh in the history of the league. And I'm not saying Kansas hit, he's rooting for Chris Jones to leap. He's really good and really valuable. We've had him on the show. Great player. But I'm telling you, this league right now, you can overcome a lot. Jets had a great defense, no playoffs. Denver last year, pretty good defense. It was a mess. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the I-Hard radio app. Search heard to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal

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So you were at cowboy practice. Now, you have always been willing to be critical of DAC, and so do you go to cowboy practice? Are they looking at you a little sideways? For the most part, some people were, some of the fans were, but it was a lot of love out there. I have a great leash with a lot of guys over there with the Cowboys, and they know me.

Nothing is personal. There's nothing personal against Dak Press, or anybody else and I'm not hiding. You know, everything I say I mean, and it's from what I watch and when I research and I study. So just going to the camp was cool. I've always had a great relationship with Jerry Jones, you know. McCarthy's a pick guy, right? Always good with him.

Yeah. dudes like Stefan Diggs, one of my good friends. And then Michael Parsons is from Harrisburg and I'm from Harrisburg. So it's a lot of love there. Okay. So yesterday, I do believe that fewer starters play in the pre-season. And so what's happening, coaches are having more intense practices because they don't want to play their starters in the game. Smart.

Right. So, Dach's throwing some picks yesterday. Now one of these is just Trayvon Diggins. Three. It's now shady. Just to be honest, three. It's a lot. Yeah.

One of them's bad. So Baker's throwing picks in practice. He led the NFL since he arrived in picks. Dak led the NFL in picks. I know it's easy to say it's practice. Well, Burrough's not thrown a lot of them when he was healthy. You were there. Do you, it's something, isn't it?

I think it's something. Now, I think it also is a new offense now that McCarthy's taking over as a coordinator. But it is something. I think a veteran quarterback of his magnitude of America's team, the Cowboys, and I think a lot of people feel like Dax's an elite quarterback, a franchise guy. So I think it is something. I mean, the good thing is that it's at camping, you try to work the kinks out, new offense, get the picks out now.

But, I mean, I won't be super worried about it. But I think coming off a year he's had where he's been throwing picks, it may be something. They change coordinators. So Justin Herbert's on last hour. He's got Kellyn Moore. I like Kellyn. I love him. Why do you love?

I just think it's a bigger deal than everybody lets on that Kellan leaves. And it's like, hey, Michael call it. I'm like, time out. Kellyn Moore was, why do you love it? I think he's a really, really good coordinator. I just watched the way he, um, the way he likes it. just players, the way he can get Tony Poller in space, the type of reads

that he gives Dak Prescott. See, the one thing I've been reading, like, a lot of things from their camp is that, you know, McCarthy wants to put the offense more on DAC, more of responsibility. I understand, I get that, but with Moore, I felt like he gave him so many easy reads, and

it's going to get hard. And I think you'll see the difference when Justin Herbert, how that offense rolls. And I think that he'll be even more efficient this year, and I think it'll be have a better offense. I think the Cowboys will struggle, even though, and being at that camp, I've noticed so fast how talented that group is on offense and on defense. No, that defensive group, that's a top one. Oh, my God. Dudes everywhere. Length, speed, everywhere. Yes. And on offense. I mean,

you know, you bring Brandon Cooks over there as your number two receiver. Like, that's really, really good. Tony Poller, he looks good. Okay, he does. Right. And then, and then, and then, an all pro receiver in C.D. Lamb, you have everything you need there, right? With a solid offense along now, granted, we'll see what happens with Zach Martin. But overall, that's a talented offense. Okay. So I saw you were in Kansas City.

You love Andy Reed. Oh, love Andy. That's right. And Eric B. Enemy was the coordinator, and I saw a story yesterday that came out where Ron Rivera's like his intensity is not for everybody. Now, his reputation was he didn't interview particularly well. He had a little bit of baggage years and years ago in his personal life. That aside, when I saw the story about that, my takeaway was he's intense.

You've got to get over it. Yeah. But you've seen more of them. Does it concern you? For me, I've said something about this in the past, and everybody killed me for it. Oh, why he's, you know, is he mad about this, mad about this? No. I think Eric Bending me, I think he'll be a good head coach because he's,

He's big on the discipline, making everybody accountable. But I never seen him as a coordinator. He never really caught plays. He installs, never install no plays, anything like that. But the thing that alarmed me the most was their relationships with the players. And the one thing why Andy Reid is such a great coach, obviously the X and O's part of it. But he can relate to players. He can understand him.

He can adjust from when I had him at 20 years old to having him in 2019, he changed. And you've got to change the times. And I think with being in him, he still. stuck in that old back in the days where the coaches is cussing the players out and it's not how I's played nowadays. Like, like, even with Coach Rivera talking about it, he said that's a different approach. Now, I was, I was part of that Kansas City Chiefs Championship team. And it was terrible that one of the first things I noticed is how he talks to the players. It was like, you can't talk to these players. And if you notice all the players he has issues

with, fights with, arguments with the sideline. And if you notice, when the players speak of Eric B. enemy, they say he's a really, really good coach, you know, he's disciplined, he cares, he has your back. They don't say nothing about how he's teaching him, how's making them better. And you never would see that because he didn't do a lot of that. When I was with him, I didn't see a lot of that. So I just think that when Rivera talked about the players that are coming up to talk to him, these ain't third string guys. These ain't second string guys. These are starters. Like, hey, coach, I'm all down for the tough coaching, but when you start ripping players and cussing them out and cursing them out, you now get the best out.

of them. And I think he doesn't realize that times have changed. Yeah. You know, so. No, I mean, listen, parenting's changed. It's a different world. It's a different world. So, um, we were talking about this that when Brady was already in his prime, as great as as Peyton Manning was and Big Ben, Brady allowed you, um, to kind of move off players. Right.

They moved off Randy Moss and they got better. Like, I mean, everybody, they lost Aaron Hernandez. Mm-hmm. They were fine. Well, those are great players, right? the late Aaron Hernandez. So when I look at Mahomes, they move off Tyreek Hill. Right.

They're better. They rebuilt their old line. Defense. They've rebuilt their receiving court. They just move off people. So when Chris Jones is doing cryptic tweets and regarding a holdout, I do think to myself, well, they started eight rookies started on defense last year. they're all going to get better.

You know that culture, you know that roster. Right. If Chris Jones doesn't come back, are they still great? They're always going to be a really, really good team because they do have Patrick Gohns, and they do have Andy Reed and Travis Kelsey. They're always going to be good, right, and it's special because they're special players and special coaching. And I think Brett Veach's great GM, right?

I think he'll get the deal done. But Chris Jones, man, he's special for that team. You know, as much as we talk about Patrick Mahomes and Travis. He was young, weren't you? And he was good. He's been the most disruptive, defensive player other than Aaron Donald. In the league. It's Chris Jones.

And if you look at all the success that the Chiefs have, offensively, they're going to ball out, right? And defense be up and down. But one thing about Chris Jones, when they need stops, Chris Jones to give them stops. When they need somebody to depend on, he's the one that they call. If you recall, even like the championship games or all the big moments in the playoffs, the office did their part. But then Chris Jones, you need to.

that sack or need that title for loss. It's him. It's him. And without him, I think they're a different team. I do. I think they're really, really good, right? I think the office can put points up and they're going to battle with the best of them. But Chris Jones, man, he's something special.

Yeah, no, he is. So I got to ask you about the running back situation. So I know I've said before that if you watch sports and analytics, the world's changed. So in basketball, power forwards don't. don't exist. If you can't hit a J. Right, right. Tristan Thompson went from valuable to hard to play in three years. Dwight Howard was a back-to-the-basket dominating player.

Beasts. Keep him on the floor. Right. It's like it's analytics. Everybody wants a shooter. Even Anthony Davis now. Get outside Yokic, hit a jumper. Yonis, hit a jumper. So in the NFL, in the NFL, because of CTE, the NFL wrote a billion-dollar check, safety enhances, right?

The only player you can hit now in the league is the running back. You can hit him from anywhere anytime. And because of that, they're suffering more injuries longer than other players. Okay. So the analytics are telling you do not sign running backs infrequently to second big contract. Right. Now, you were gifted enough, Derek Henry. There are guys.

I think Sequin, especially with Daniel Jones, you got to have them in house. I would say the Giants offense is Sequan. But how do you view it? Do you view it, you know, Travis A-TN's a smart young kid. He came out. Good player. He came out and he said, I just got to diversify. I got a catch.

I got a block. If you're a running back, you can't just run downhill anymore. So how do you view the whole situation? And you just said it. I think it's like the versatile running backs, the guys that don't have to leave the field. I mean, Krista McCarthy is getting paid at the top of the market because he could do everything, right? Even Kamara. Camara had a solid contract and he could do everything.

So I think it's a matter of being consistent for one and being versatile where you catch, you can run, you can block, where we need you part of his offense. I think a guy like Jonathan Taylor, he should be a guy who could stretch the market a little bit. I thought those agent a couple months ago when I don't have a tough battle with the coats, but he's another guy. And then B.J. Robinson. Not B. John Roberts? Yes. For Atlanta. So he went first round.

I think that he's the type of player where, first one, he went so early, so that should tell you something. He got drafted so early. And then Washington his tape, he's special. He can run around. He can break tackles. He's a little LT. Yes, he is. I agree with that.

So I think guys like that will change, you know, as far as the value of the running backs. But then again, also I'm learning, even in my time, where it's like the top-tier guys get paid, and then the rest of the guys that kind of just, they don't pay them as much, you know. How are your contract negotiations late in your career? Oh, man. I mean, I'm a top-to- or top-fif. Highspay running backs. I'm in that in that category.

So you got yours. Yep. I had Drew Rosenhaus, so we cleaned up pretty well. And I mean, I'm versatile running back. So all my contracts I got was, was top of the market.

Yeah, and they weren't. And I didn't go first round. I didn't go first round. Like a lot of them guys did. Yeah. Okay, so we got three rookie quarterbacks. So I'm looking at your career.

I'm trying to think of Bill. So you got young Josh Allen. Yes, baby Josh. You got, okay, so you had baby Josh. Mahomes. Did you get baby Mahomes? Well, it's the thing about Mahomes, right? He only, I got with him a second year starting.

That's how good he is. Okay, okay. So you got young quarterback. So let's talk like baby Josh Allen. So it was pretty rough. It was rough. Okay, so Anthony Richardson is the comp for him. Gotcha.

Big, strong moves. Not a lot of great college starts. Yeah. So let's go back to you with a lot of people. and I was one of them saying, is Josh Allen going to be a bust? Yeah. When did you know, when did the team know with baby Josh? Yeah.

Dude's it. Well, first of all, Josh Allen is a competitor. Like he competes, like he's a running back or a wide receiver. He has that type of attitude to him. Big dude, he's real tough, super talented. I'm talking about fast. People see him now running and like, oh, he's fast. But when we seen him at Camp, we was like, dang, he can run.

and he's six four he's a big boy he has a rocket a launcher type of arm i mean i can throw that ball could anthony richard see be him could anthony be him big strong arm i think so he's super athletic but on one thing i always said about josh you got to have the right coaching you know having um brian uh day ball right i seen the change oh wow he's coaching him every day tough on you know getting the best out of him you challenging him and josh for answering him so you got to have the right coaching and you got to have people that believe i think them guys from that's not experienced in college because i was i was definitely concerned where richmond one year starter one year starter and then the year before that you was like splitting time i'm thinking like you're going to go

in the top 10 so there must be talent there right and it has to be a a good coach to bring it out of you well he got jalen hertz his coach he did yep yep that's very interesting so i want to ask you about Jaylen Hertz because one of the things about Jalen Hertz is not that he can't throw and run, but his intangibles are so strong, his IQ, his coachability, his heart. Like there are just

guys that I would run through a wall for. Jalen Hertz is one of the dudes. I'm like, okay, that's, I mean, you're talking to guy that's had to overcome everything. Bama moved off him. Went to the second round. All he does is answer it. So there's some innate leadership qualities. Maybe it's

a mom and dad thing. He just brought him to the table. Yeah. So he goes, he gets Shane Stike, and he's great. Now he loses his coordinating. You tell me, you've been with quarterbacks. Right. For a young quarterback, I mean, we saw Josh Allen this year, and the interceptions went up.

That's true. Yeah, what do you think Jalen will look like this year? Every year Jalen Hertz has got better and better and better. I have my own, I guess I was skeptical of how he would do. And I watched this guy get better and better and better. year. And I always think about, you could tell that he's a coach's son. Just the way he's approach to the game. He's a big student. He's a leader. He's a natural leader. And those things come from, he develops that, right, with the habits that he shows. And everything I've

heard from even when he wasn't playing at an MVP caliber level, before that, everybody talked about how he's so dialed in and he's a winner, he's a leader. So I see him getting better. I see him not getting complacent with the success he had. And all the reports I've heard back home, and training came to the Eagles is that he looks even better. So I'm not, like, surprised because he's shown that through his career. He can get better and better. But he wants to. I mean, this kid, he wants to be great.

He's mature. He's mature. Another thing is, like, players that have been the underdogs their whole life, right, they use that for motivation. And some guys either pout or they make something about it. And he does something about it every time he takes the field. So, I mean, sky's limit for the field of the Eagles because their quarterback is dialed in. Yeah.

All right. A final one. Hard Knocks, we'll talk about later, but Hard Knocks, New York, Aaron Rogers. I guess my biggest concern is this, is that Aaron had a lot of control in Green Bay, and he always had, he didn't always have great defense or great receivers.

He always had good protection. The Packers are like the Patriots. Yes. Couldn't tell you the last bad O-line. It could be 20 years ago. Jets O-line, major concerns. Dwayne Brown goes down, 39 years old, they don't have a left tackle.

Right. What are you, so that's what I'm looking for. I'm going to look at that O line. And if Aaron's got time, Elijah Vera Tucker inside guy, then he's fine. Everything else I'm good with. Is there something that you would see? Because you've been in big cities, you've been in big brands. You're an East Coast guy.

Is there something you would see? And it would lead you to believe this is about ready to go sideways. This doesn't look good. What are you looking for? I'm looking for the first time things. or going negative or not going the right direction. Everything we've talked about so far, man, is how well that the team is jelling together.

Aaron Rogers, he's at many camps. He's at camp. You know, he's doing all the things he didn't do in Green Bay. He's working out with the younger wire receivers. He's going to different events to build that bond, build that chemistry. But what happens when things go left? How do they respond?

And that's going to show me what type of team they really have because they have a lot of talent. And I think their coach pretty well. Kosala, I like him a lot. defense. He knows his defense. I think now he has a quarterback to go out there and lead his team. So we'll see. I just want to see how things go when things go negative. You know, it's funny, you know Dave Wonstadt.

Yeah. My favorite coach, Dave Wonstead. Dave is the best storyteller. Yes, he is. He knows everybody in the world. Yep. And he's just a wonderful guy. So he recruited you. Yes, he did. Yes, he did. And Aaron Donald. Yes. And Dorel Revis. All the big guy, yeah. And then he has such a great person. He's a great guy.

You want to run through a wall for Coach Ron said. So he has a great line. He goes, you can lose games, but not a locker room. Okay. He goes, so you can go on a two-game losing streak. You're losing games. He goes, if you lose that third, maybe if you're Andy Reid, it's different. But he goes, if you're a new coach or a young coach and you lose a third in a row, guys start peeling off.

That's true. And so, and I look at Robert Sala and Aaron. Well, Aaron's not going to take the hit. Right. And we know the defense is good. go to you know, I don't know how many three-game losing streaks you had, but go to the longest losing streak, Shady, of your career.

Yeah, we went four and twelve one year with Andy Reed. That's the year he left. But one thing about the locker, I'll say this, if you have a good quarterback, right, that people respect, let me say that. Not even a good part, but if you have a quarterback that people respect. Okay. The locker won't be lost because they'll hold on to him.

So the coach will deliver the message to the quarterback, and the quarterback displays that amongst the team. And if you have that, you should be fine. I mean, at the time we had Michael Vick, and who's an excellent leader, good person, you know. And then Andy Reid is such a respectable coach that... Even though you were bad. Oh, yeah.

And then the other thing is, at some point as a player, you'll look yourself from now in the mirror. Is it coach? Because he's not tackling or throwing passes or is it us. And that particular time with Andy Reed, we're 4 and 12, it was more of us than Andy Reed for sure. Yeah. Hey, you're doing a great job.

You're on Speak, Shady McCoy, weekdays 430. You know, it's interesting. As a player, you're very outspoken. Yeah. But you do it with a smile on your face, so it's never mean-spirited. How is the TV thing working? Is it weird for you to hang out with pro athletes? And they're sometimes like, I saw you Tuesday.

You called me out Tuesday. What is it like for you? It's funny. You know, because, like, if you know me, I always talk trash. That's been my thing. So from the barbershops to the field, and that's who I am. But, like, sometimes I might say something. and players will see it.

Text you. They might text me, or if I say something about their teammate, you know, depending on how close they're with the teammate, they're like, Shady, man, take it easy, or they might laugh about it.

But it is different, but I like it because this is who I am. I don't hide. I'm not nothing like trying to act. This is who I am every day, no days off. Love having you part of the team. I love it.

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News. Things are always good for Jerry Jones. The Cowboys are once again the NFL's most valuable franchise. Sportico values them at over $9 billion, far surpassing the Giants, who are second on the list. We'll take a look here at the rest of the top 10. You have the Rams in third, followed by the Patriots, 49ers, Jets, commanders, bears at eight, and then finishing out with the Eagles and Raiders. So the Jets are worth more than the Giants. That doesn't feel right. Is that an Aaron Rogers?

No, that's the Giants are number two. Oh, I'm sorry, my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad. Giants are number two. Yeah, I was going to say giants are really valuable. Correct. You know, I am... The one that's interesting is the Raiders and how far they've jumped up the list since the move to Vegas.

The other thing is people don't understand. Sometimes you have brands that get buried. So I said this for years about the Golden State Warriors. So I grew up in the 70s where the Warriors had Rick Berry and Al Addles, Clifford Ray, the Center, Jeff Mullin. They were really, really good. And they were big West Coast brand and Barry was great. And then they were bad forever. And people forgot what a great, great basketball city the Bay Area is because they were so bad.

The minute they got interesting again, you can't get a ticket to a Warriors game. The Yankees in the 80s were just a huge name and a beaten down brand. I think Michigan football had that a little bit with Brady Hoke or a Rich Rod. You just forget how big Michigan football is and what they do with their ratings. The Raiders in my childhood, the Steelers were the team of record in the 70s. Their number one rival was the Raiders. And it didn't matter if it was Plunkett or Kenny Stabler, Lyle Alzado, Hendrickson, Cliff Branch. Bolitnikov, John Madden.

The Raiders were a massive, arguably a number two or three brand. I thought they were as big when I was a kid as the Cowboys. And then they were just bad. Al Davis at the end, it just disappeared. It was poorly managed. But the Raiders are the, it's almost like they're a beaten down brand. They stood for something. They're kind of the rebels of the NFL.

Al Davis was like, I'm not paying this. I'm not doing that. We're going to move wherever we want. There's a real independent brand. sort of a rogue element to the Raiders that I think is incredibly powerful. It's just been beaten down. Absolutely. And we'll see.

Hopefully we can see that brand rise up again. Maybe if Jimmy Garoppolo stays healthy. But we'll keep our attention on the AFC West there with the Chargers. Keenan Allen are now preparing for their first season under new O.C. Kellan Moore was hired to replace Joe Lombardi. Yesterday, Keenan was asked about his role in this new offense. Kellan's not really a guy who, you know, put guys in spots and leaves them there. You know, he changes the personnel's within the play call.

He puts guys where he wants them and, you know, what's best for the offense. With Lombardi, I was stuck at slot kind of the whole time. I'm inside, outside now. We're all kind of inside outside playing everything. This, to me, the biggest coordinator moves of the year. Like, we always look at coaches. You say, oh, there's a new coach. It's a big deal.

Vic Fangio to the Miami Dolphins defense, and Kellynne Moore to the Chargers offense is why I have both those teams making the playoffs. I think Fangio is arguably the best defensive coordinator in football. I'm not talking Belichick, but defensive mind, that's not a head coach. And I think Callen Moore is great. What's interesting is as the offensive line got old and deteriorated and Zeech deteriorated and Amari Cooper left, under Kellyn Moore, go look at the points per game for Dallas with that Prescott, who we view as a B to a B plus quarterback, six first and fourth. So I don't understand, like, Cowboy fans are not freaking out,

and I think they blamed Kellyn for a lot of their shortcomings. Everybody I talked to in the NFL is everybody, is like Kellynne Moore to this offense is going to be fuel. I think they're, and they also, Quentin Johnston, the receiver, TCU has been unbelievable in camp and so they have I think Palmer's their fourth receiver Gerald Everett's the tight end they got five guys now that they like to throw the ball to absolutely plenty to work with on that offense in addition to a great talent in Justin Herbert so gonna be exciting to see what the Chargers

can do and we'll wrap up here on the West Coast the 49ers have released with their unofficial have released their unofficial depth chart ahead of Sunday's preseason game against the Raiders Brock Purdy is listening to as the starting quarterback, the backup listed as Trey Lance or Sam Darnold. That's a PR move. They just don't want to make, you know, they don't want to, they know if they put Trey Lance third,

that's going to get a bunch of questions and be distracting, but that's what it is. Really? So you really think, okay? Yeah, I don't even think this is complicated. I don't think it's complicated at all. Brock Purdy is going to be their quarterback for the next three years, because you don't have to pay him a nickel,

and he's good and accurate. Sam Darnold is mistake-prone, like him but mistake-prone. Lance has some accuracy issues. None of those fit with the coach. Like Kyle Shanahan loved Matt Schaubb and Kirk Cousins. Accurately deliver the ball. Do not make a lot of unforced errors like in Dennis. They're going to make an error.

It's because, you know, you got hit or somebody made a great play. And with Darnold and Trey Lance, there's a lack of trust. And it's okay. I've got film on Sam and I've got a lack of experience with Trey and a few number of starts. So I don't even think this is complicated. I just think what happens is they're trying to be professional and delicate with Trey. They're also going to try to move him eventually. So you don't want to make it look like he's third. There's always a story behind the story.

The Internet thinks they know. There's always a story behind the story. And the truth is they want to move Trey eventually and so do the Jets with Zach Wilson. so you're going to publicly make it look with Zach Wilson as shiny and as positive and optimistic as you can. So I will say this, though, I would play the most snaps. I would give the Trey Lance. Darnold's brand is established. Brock Purdy's going nowhere.

I would play Zach Wilson 50 snaps in preseason and Trey Lance 50 snaps. Put some real quality light on them. upgrade them and move them. Ryan with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Once your business gets to a certain size,

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