The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - QBs that overcame adversity, the drama between Jonathan Kuminga and the Warriors, Trent Dilfer

Episode Date: February 12, 2026

Colin talks about the tension between Jonathan Kuminga and the Golden State Warriors Colin talks to former NFL QB Trent Dilfer about Sam Darnold's journey, Arch Manning's performance at the end of the season, the contract of QBs that are hurting their team, and moreSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You know, a lot of times I've said this over and over and over, ad nauseum for years. Do not chase money. Chase good management. There's a sea of money out there if you're talented. There's a sea of money. there's a finite number of really good in my case broadcasting executives there's a million broadcasting companies and very few that are really really well run and so i look at people often in my space and just say let me see your career decisions why did you just go there just about money

short-term money what about your long-term career aspirations what about good management and marketing. And so it was lost in the Super Bowl week that Jonathan Cominga and the Warriors, and I've never been a huge comminga guy. It kind of melted down. It got kind of ugly. And each side he said, they said, you know, whatever, each kind of covering their tracks and the divorce. Here was Steve Kerr on the comminga move, the Caminga trade. Steve Kerr. Jay Kay is a really good young guy. You know, he's, it's been obviously a rocky road, you know, for him and for us. And, you know, it wasn't always, you know, the right fit, obviously kind of in and out of the rotation.

I think that was tough for him, tough for us as well, trying to navigate everything. And I really hope JK finds his way. And, you know, whether it's Atlanta or wherever else, I, you know, I really want to see him succeed. and I'm sorry that it didn't happen here. Let me give you three players. Jonathan Cominga, Jalen Green, and Scoot Henderson. Were G-League Ignite guys, a four-year experiment by the NBA that went belly up and should have. None of them developed into the player they should have been.

Much like broadcasting, I judge people on the decisions and choices they make. why in the world would you choose G-League Ignite over Duke and Kansas and Michigan State? Well, a lot of kids aren't built for college. Every pro football player goes there for at least three years. Why are basketball players different? You can't handle a year of college? The marketing you get playing. I watched Duke Carolina the other day.

You got $8 million of free marketing. None of those G-League guys, you don't get elite coaching and G-League Unite. You don't play in packed arenas like Cameron Indoor or Kansas or Yukon where you, that's like an NBA intensity, the coaching, the nutrition, the travel, the training staffs, playing in massive arenas. That is like, that's like a, I mean, playing at Carolina, that's like an NBA environment, a playoff environment. You got 15,000 plus, 16,000 plus, you know, at these big college basketball arenas.

That's where you go. That's where you get marketing. Cooper Flagg. Duke to Dallas. He's already a star. Why? Because I watched him at Duke. Stefan Castle at Yukon.

Jalen Brunson goes to Villanova. By the time he gets to the NBA, I know his whole life story. I'm looking at guys this morning. Find me one G-League Ignite star in the NBA. There isn't one. I always felt this about AAU basketball. 8,000 meaningless games, more about the individual than the team. And you'll find Kaminga's.

like a lot of these guys, Scoot Henderson, Jalen Green. They don't play well with others. I mean, it's more about, I got to have the ball in my hands. It's the spacing they're not good. It's just like super talented. Okay. But what really bothers me is the choices young, great basketball players have. I don't understand everybody demonizing college basketball.

The coaching, the travel is first class, the arenas you're playing, the gear you get, even pre-NIA. even pre-NIL. I would talk to a couple of college basketball friends, and they were like, you know, people in the business, coaches, and they're like, our players get treated really well. That was pre-NIL. So, you know, you can blame whoever you want. Kaminga's long and talented, but he doesn't rebound.

He doesn't shoot well. You know, his low post game is all over the map. Good one night, not the next. Good, this matchup, bad the next. Yeah, I wish him well. But I've been on this for years. not get the NBA. NFL totally gets the value of college football.

Totally understands the value of college football. Basketball like has it out. NBA has it out for college basketball. The coaching's great. The arenas are great. The TV product. You're on television. You've seen their ratings for these college basketball games last couple of years?

They're huge. They're beating the NBA. With that, here's somebody I haven't talked to in a while. maybe text, not talk. Trent Dilfer used to be a regular on the show, got kind of busy. He got a new job. Do we have Trent right now? Oh, we're reconnecting right now.

He'll be joining us in just one second. Yeah, and I went and looked at Kaminga's numbers, the last three years, by the way, his minutes and his games and his numbers all went down. All right, here we go. Trent Dilfer now is joining us live and long time. No talk. 14 years in the NFL. Where are you right now, and how are you doing?

I miss you brother. I am back after a complete failure in college football back to where my roots are, high school football. So I'm back at Lipscomb where I spent four years and was my happiest and what I'm wired to do. More transformation than transaction. Yeah, that's what college football is. You know, we talked about this earlier. I had Drew Brees on yesterday and I asked Drew, I said, does your journey remind you a little Sam Darnold where the first place is turbulent?

You don't maybe get the support. And he said it does. and he went on and gave a really interesting answer. And it actually made me think of Arch Manning, who had to sit for two years. I would argue behind a guy he'll ultimately better then. Then when he did play, got the crap kicked out of him, and everybody ripped him.

And then at the end of this year, dealing with all that adversity, he was great in his last six games. And I'm like, when you were in college football, I mean, your journey, I mean, I could go back. I was there. I was in Tampa working as a sports guy. do you worry about having been in college football, forget the other positions, that at the first sign of adversity, a lot of these quarterbacks and their dads are like, we're out of town. Does that worry you?

Heck, yeah. As usual, you're right on this thing that nobody wants to talk about. What makes you wired to be a championship quarterback is the adversity. are the hard things, are the grind, are the failures. I got booed out of outbacks. I had binoculars throwing at me. If there were social media back, then I wouldn't be able to be on it. And many quarterbacks have the same story. It's what hardens you. And we're so scared as athletes in this generation for hard things, for adversities, for benchings, for failures, for

for four interception games for not meeting expectations, what a guy might say about you, what you read on your phone. But yet we need to embrace those things as the good stuff. The good stuff comes out of the hard stuff. And you get to a point where you really just don't care anymore about what others think, then you're free. But I think every young player has to go through that pain point, has to go through that struggle so they're freed up that you're not playing for that.

You're playing because you love football for your teammates, for the job, for the passion. And that's what you said. And I'm seeing Sam Darnold highlights. That's all you've seen in Sam. Sam was wildly talented week came out. I remember being at ESPN saying Sam Darnold is a can't miss guy if, if he's developed the right way, if he's taught the right way, if the system's correct form. But he went into a bad situation.

It took the hard meaning of bad situations, took resilience and grits. It took being with the right people and the right time and the aha moment. The guys won more game in the last two years, I think, than anybody but Tom Brady in the two years span. So he has become a great quarterback because of the hardening that went into the process. We tend to forget that football more than any sport is really collaborative. I mean, if you're a great basketball player, you can get your 26 a night in Orlando or in Phoenix. but even as a wide receiver, look at Larry Fitzgerald's career. Boy, he was way better when he has Kurt Warner.

You know what I mean? Like, oh, more. So, I mean, even a receiving position, which we think is over on the sideline, doing his own thing, breaking the huddle first. I look at Josh Allen. Well, because of his contract, they don't have pro bowlers on defense. I look at Patrick Mahomes. Because of his contract, they don't have a running game, and they can't get their

own line right. Brady and Breeze both said at one point, Trent, I'm a judge. take a little less. And I'm going to win more. Well, what do you know? Networks come the minute you're off the air, and they want to put you on the air because you're a winner. Go back to your career.

Is maybe the model going forward, guys, you will make that money back. You'll make it back because you'll have a better right tackle. You'll get a TV job. But it is hard to tell a pro athlete. Don't take the most money available to you. That's hard for a quarterback. Is it not? It is.

I think this is a big subject. I'll give you my thoughts on this. I've been saying this for years. One, I think in the CBA, in the salary cap, they need to remove a portion for the quarterback. I think every team, football would be better if the teams weren't punished for these massive quarterback salary cap hits. I've always thought that should be the case. If not, then I'm on your page. Then they at least need to relax some of the rules that quarterbacks like Tom Brady and Drew B is a phrase of the thing. face of the franchise, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, you can go down the list, should be able to get an equity piece of the organization or be involved in business deals that are tied to the NFL because that's where real money. I mean, you know billionaires, I know billionaires, their equity stakes.

You know what I mean? They get a piece of something bigger than their personal brand. So imagine Tom Brady, I don't know how much wealthy has. It's ridiculous, I'm sure. But it'd be even greater if he had a stake of the New England Patriots. Drew Brees should have had a stake in the business dealings of the New Orleans Saints. If they could do that, then quarterbacks would take less, because agents aren't going to let them bet on the TV contract. And I get it. I will say this too about Tom and Drew.

They're both very good at it, too. You know what I mean? I don't watch a ton of NFL anymore, but when I do, and either one of them's talking, I listen, where I don't listen to a lot of other people. You know what I mean? And there's a lot of really successful quarterbacks and aren't good on TV.

I mean, they just don't know how to communicate clearly. They're not concise with their words. They don't have charisma. They can't teach the game. The game came too easy for them. I think a lot of times the guys are the best on TV. The game came hard to. Tom Brady worked harder than anybody else,

so he can explain it to somebody that's in the developmental stage or doesn't totally understand it. Drew Brie, same way. He can explain it better because he took the hard road to the game, I mean, Annie has the gravitas to be in a Hall of Famer. So, again, agents are going to let you bet on the future. But if in the now, they can have money, they could have revenue streams that are legal, that are outside the salary cap, then they would take more.

I mean, anybody would take more for a superstar, wide receiver, or a better left tackle, or a dominant inside backer, or an edge rusher. That would be a no-brainer for any of us if we knew that we had an equity stake or a business stealing that could bring us the hundreds of millions of dollars that we're turning down in a contract. You said you watch more college than pro, and we've had this kind of opinion on this show is that a lot of my strongest opinions on players are often because I have sources in a pro league telling me that or in an athletic department.

And then there's these occasions when I like somebody way more than my sources in the league. or I like somebody way less than my sources. And that's when I make often my biggest mistakes, and you're looking, go, how did you think that? And I'm like, well, I should have listened to people. So Fernando Mendoza is one of those. My sources like him. I love him.

I think he's Matt Ryan plus, bigger, stronger, more athletic than Matt Ryan. And I think Matt Ryan was really good in his prime, very good, MVP. Fernando Mendoza, what do you see? Do you see very good, but not a star? Or is it, you tell me what you see? Tremendously talented, very charismatic, great learner, compliant, which I think is one of the most undervalued thing in quarterbacking, meaning that they will do as they're told to do by their coaches who are smarter than them. They're not trying to roll out the balls and be the best athlete on the field. They're trying to be a surgeon instead of a butcher.

if I told that one to you before, both have sharp instruments, right? One makes you a pastromy sandwich with his instrument. The other one saves your life with his instrument. You got to have surgeons out there, so you've got to be compliant to be a surgeon. He has played very remedial quarterback. So their passing game is very good, but very simple. He does not full field read very often. if you notice he tucks it and runs a lot because they're kind of a one, two, and go offense.

Yeah. I would say Justin Herbert is your best comparable. Hall of Fame talent, remedial progression in his development. Therefore, he needs to be handled in such a way early on because he's going to have to play. I still don't believe in playing him early. I still, to this day, I'm one of the very few out there that still thinks they should sit for a year. year, one year, but everybody else says, oh, you got to pay him, you got to play him. Great.

Then play him in a run action, cut the field in half, RPO, good run game, third down, protect him, don't make him do all the protections, and let him go be really good at that. And then build over years into the surgeon. I think he'd be as good as anybody there is, if. And people are going to hold me to these comments, and I'm putting there that, if I want to know who's coaching him. I wonder who's developing him. I want to know who's in his ear all the time.

I want to know who his mentor is. Is he going out to Southern California and working with Jordan Palmer? I hope so. You know what I mean? I hope that he's doing the things that the greatest in the games decided, I'm okay right now,

but I can be great. And I need to surround myself with people that are great. Now, some of that is in his control, and some of it like Sam Darnold, Like a bunch of others that were really good that didn't make it, it's out of their control. So where he's drafted, who's developing them, how they built the infrastructure around him. As Mike Holbegren-alists used to say, build the building around that player's development, because then we'll all have jobs forever.

Yeah. But if you don't build the building around his development, he's just part of the building, then he could have a Sam Donald experience because he hasn't been taught. And I love that staff. This is not a knock in Indiana staff. By the way, we've dumped it down a little bit too in college football because you only have them for a limited amount of time. Yeah. And you got to win games.

So it's nobody's fault. But when you look at his DNA as a quarterback, it's more of a one, two, either or it's very defined. A lot of back shoulders, a lot of go balls instead of inside benders, runaways, not a lot of modern NFL passing. game in his repertoire. So that just needs to be developed. Will it happen by the right person? It wouldn't even be that hard to develop them by the right person, but it needs to be the right person. So I was saying, we'll wrap it up with this, the Seahawks defense, which is really special. When your GM goes eight for eight in the last four years on the first two picks, and I mean eight for eight great players, that's hard to duplicate. The Seattle defense looked

a little bit like the Legion of, you know, boom, and also looked a little bit like your Ravens defense. Now, your Ravens defense could, corners could do things you can't do anymore, so it's different. But when I think of great defenses, I'm like, oh, the Tampa Bay, the Ravens, Richard Sherman, Cam, Chancellor, Seahawks. And then I watched this one, I'm like, that's one of the four. And so Drake May gets engulfed, and my take is, he's 23. These guys, I mean, outside of Matt Stafford, they ate everybody's lunch. They ate. Stafford's got puka and Devante and McVeigh.

So you tell me, when the times in your career, when you go back to your early days, your young days, and you face the best defense in the league, what does it look like? What was Drake May seeing? Oh, gosh, I'm so glad you asked me this questions. I have a really fun story to tell and answer this question. My wife and I were driving across the country. for four days. And the third day was Super Bowl Sunday. And she wanted to stop and go to a fancy hotel and watch the game.

I'm like, no, I'm rolling. I'm 10 hours in. I want to do another two, three hours. So we're watching the game on Highway 70, driving to the Middle of America, on our iPad. And I'm driving and I'm going about 75, 80 miles per hour. And I get pinned in between these two semis. and everybody's ever driven a highway.

When you're going fast, there's a lot of traffic, and the semis pin you in, it's the most claustrophobic, uncomfortable. Oh, my gosh, I'm going fast. They're going fast. But are they going to smet? Am I going to become a, you know, peanut butter and jelly sandwich in these semis? And I'm watching Drake, man.

I'm like, we're living the same life right now. I'm going to get smashed by two semis going 75. He feels that way. every time he takes a snap, the Seattle Seacrox defense was two semis, pinned him in on its highway 70 in the middle of America, and what do you do? You can't breathe. You can't think. Everything speeds up. Like he short-armed some balls. I think the kid's phenomenal. I coached him in Elite 11. I love Drake May. He will be a superstar in this league for years to come. But you put and ask Tom this. I mean, Tom's on your show. He's the greatest of all time. There's only one. one defense to Tom Brady. There's only one way you could take him way. You couldn't play man. You couldn't play zone.

You couldn't blitz them. You couldn't put some. But what you could do is make them sandwich them between two semis. Rex Ryan's defenses did it sometimes. There are certain defenses that knew how to take Tom Brady's superpower away. And his was more interior pressure. Right. But this was an overwhelming side interior sandwiched two semis on the side of you on a highway

pressure and no quarterback in the history of football could have thrived in that environment. Yeah, it's great seeing you again. I'm fired up, man. Does anybody care not have to say anymore after being a colossal failure in college football? At least I know a little bit. Listen, football is, Belichick got fired, Andy Reid got fired. I think you're okay. You're getting fired or hired.

When I decided to coach, that's what all my mentors told me. It's like, hey, if you're willing to be hired a bunch of times and fired a bunch of times, go for it. I'm like, okay, here we go. Great seeing you again. You're the best, dude. See you. All right, Trent Dilfer. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, we said this.

A year ago, Sam Darnold got sacked nine times by the Rams, and everybody said, guys, a bum told you. Year later, he's hoisting a trophy. They're going to get their offensive line fixed because it's obvious that's the weakness of the team. and Drake May faces the Seahawks next regular season, what do you bet he plays well? What do you bet he's a better quarterback? When I'm watching that Seattle game,

and I'm YouTube with it and watch the highlights, Seattle's defense is just. I mean, the four best defenses top of my head are like that Ravens defense. There was a Buccaneer defense. There's the Seattle defense with Cam Chancellor, Richard Sherman, and there's this defense. And then now, Houston Texans are really good, too.

But those four just, in the end, end up in Super Bowls. They just overwhelm people. That's why I said Stafford as MVP over Drake May. Stafford ate this defense for lunch. And some of it is Seattle's Guard, Center Guard, Seattle's got, or the Rams have great guards and great receivers and great backs. So Seattle's facing a Rams offense that is a Pro Bowl team. There's like great players everywhere.

But even that said, Stafford wasn't good on third down. Stafford, I think, was 0 for six on third down. They were very good early downs. So Drake, May, I mean, you would agree. Drake May is going to be fine. We'll see. We'll see. By the way, there was some commentary from Seattle defensive backs about May.

They could tell what's coming based on the way he was looking and reacting. There were some tells. They were like, we couldn't see that with Stafford. Hey, Kyle, let me say something about Trent Dofer real quick. Yeah. Two seconds. a lot of people when they have success, they give themselves all the credit. Well, I was a genius.

I was smart. And when they have failures, they blame it on other people. Well, that guy screwed me in the system and blah, blah, blah. What Trent Dofer just said was pretty incredible. I mean, he owned it. He was like, I was a failure. That's refreshing. That was one of the most real things that I've heard from any interview we've had this year.

I mean, did you hear him? He was just like, I failed. I respect that. Steve Spurrier, great college coach. disaster in the NFL. And Nick Saban failed. And I don't think Nick's built for the NFL. He's really built for college.

He's really got it. He's a closure. He's a great personality. He's a great teacher. But like Spurrier just, in my opinion, you know, Steve just didn't quite have like the work mentality. NFL is no life. I mean, it's just no football life.

Like you just literally in the facility all day. That's not who Spurrier is. And he used the word, Dillfer used the word transaction. Did you hear that? And college football is very transactional right now. That's what it is. It's what are you going to pay me to come on your team? What's my role? And that's, that's a little different. That's why a Kurt Signetti and a Bill Belichick, guys who are older can flourish. It's a trade, it's, it's, it's administrative, it's transactional. Bill Belichick's not going to go, you know, five, six years ago, Nick Sabin's literally on a private

jet flying to Northern California. He's all over the country. You have no life. Now a lot of it is recruit within your region and go buy the deficiencies on your roster. Exactly. And so it makes and get young staffs who will do the work for you, but it's a largely the head coach now. It's a transactional administrative job. And that that means you don't have to have the best energy in the world. If you got a little bit energy and can write some checks, you can solve a lot of problems on that roster. Yeah, it used to be the, you know, Nick Saban, here's how I can help you. Now all the players are like, what are you going to do for me? What are you paying me. What's my role going to be? And it's, it's changed a lot. College football is in this,

this weird, like, transactional phase where I think it's good, you think it's good, but on ground zero, I don't know. I will say, we've overstated it a little. I think the first few years, a couple years of the NIL, everybody was just leave, leave, leave, leave, leave. I think universities have gotten much smarter on this. I think the first two years of it, people overspent, or, or I should say overspent, over-signed. Yes. I mean, I always have this take. Most, if Georgia's moving off a defensive lineman, they know the odometer.

They didn't want to move off Jalen Carter, right? Like, if you find LSU or Georgia or in Alabama moving off an interior defensive tackle, he probably doesn't play as hard as they like. So the bottom line is most universities, the power conference, is the power of schools, they're going to pay the guys who are really, really great. And I think teams have figured out the NIL, college football programs have figured out, there's a lot of good B players that you don't have to pay a fortune that can, like, you know, a second corner, a second running back, a right tackle, not a left tackle.

And now, occasionally you can go by a Caleb Downs, wasn't he at Bama and goes to Ohio State, you're like, okay, that guy's just unbelievable. But I think the NIA, everything goes in a cycle. Yeah. In the first couple years of it, it was like people were buying 35 players. I always thought, I've talked to a coach who said this, the magic number is eight. You won't screw up chemistry if you bring in about eight guys. He goes outside a quarterback, plug deficiencies.

You don't have to go buy stars. Go buy a great pass rusher if you can. But you don't want to be terrible anywhere. The coaching's good. Well, Texas Tech is trying to throw a monkey wrench. I just read an article about some of the stuff they're doing. They're very cutting edge, man. You know that was my team last year.

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How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. you get your podcasts. The story I've told myself about love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown

and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier. We're not becoming more social and connected. We're becoming more individualized, but we actually meet people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more.

Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Daniel Jeremiah knows this stuff NFL draft. It is something we will discuss at length. First though, Jay Mack with the news. This is the Heard Line News. Can't wait for that Daniel Jeremiah talk. But let's start with Max Crosby, Colin.

He's making news. It's almost like, is it by design? Is he trying to pump up his IG followers? Anyways, Max Crosby's all over the news this last week. but he's now downplaying the rumors that he wants out, and he doubled down in an appearance on the Let's Go podcast. Everyone's put me up. Did you say this?

I can't control that. You earn that as a player. You know, if I wasn't doing the right things and if I wasn't the person and player I was, you know, people wouldn't be talking about all the nonsense, but that's what comes with it. I really don't care what everybody has to say. I used to a lot as a young guy.

I really don't give a damn. People could have their own opinions. I know what's going on. I know my truth. And I don't need to sit here and keep, you know, rehashing it to people that don't know what's going on. So I don't even waste time with it. Okay. So, Colin, if we put those words on the screen, what he just said, it's a gigantic word salad.

He essentially said nothing. Revealed nothing about what he wants, which is good. He's a pro. And listen, I know people don't think I like Matt. Max Crosby. I've seen his basketball videos. He could definitely play on my men's league team. We would recruit him. But I just don't know why he's still talking about this, Colin. You know, I know he's a veteran, but I think he is the missing piece for several top teams.

I think Kansas City could use him. New England could use him. I think Masked Trosby is one of those, you know, free agency and trade guy doesn't really equal Super Bowl. I mean, if you go look at the Z-Ox, Sam Darnold was obviously an exception where you bring a guy in, a quarterback, important position. You're like, oh, he was such an upgrade from Gino. I mean, the roster in Seattle last year was good. How many rookies made an impact that John Snyder drafted this year, too? A guard and a safety. The roster was great with Gino Smith. Obviously, Darnold's the big part of it that goes next level. JSN was already in the building. With Darnold, suddenly he was great. With Gino, he was frustrating or frustrated.

So my point is, Crosby may not be a quarterback. There is no question if you put him on New England next year with their interior defensive linemen, that's the best defensive line maybe in the sport. So I think Crosby chain,

I mean, New England's defensive tackles are excellent. Well, I'm not, you put Crosby on that D-line in New England? Lights out. Okay, so is there a world where SpyTech and the new coach Kubiak go to Crosby and say, hey, bro, we get it. It sounds like you want out.

How about this? Don't do any more podcasts. Leave social media commentary to us. Don't talk about it, and we will get you where you want to go. And then, you know, you call up the Buffalo Bills and be like, oh, yeah, he's Keon Coleman for sale. You know the BS game that you play as an executive. Oh, well, yeah. So Crosby, any interest?

You're not calling about Max. You're calling about somebody else, but you work it in like, call the contenders. Just do it quietly. I don't love this negativity when you've got 10 picks. Max Crosby is a star. He goes on podcast and they ask him about it. What is he supposed to say? Well, the problem is that we like authenticity.

You and I love that. It gives us content. Everybody loves that. But it's going to mess with the locker room. You got a new head coach. First time head coach in Kubiak. Rookie number one pick likely in Mendoza. You got a woebegone franchise in Vegas that can't win a damn thing.

Like, why would you do that? this. You're messing with the fans' heads? I don't think it's messing with anything. I think he's been the silver lining for the silver and black for about seven years. I think he's the only redeemable part of this franchise in the last seven years. Are you sure it's silver and black or black and blue? I mean, these guys are getting their butts kicked every year by everyone. Like, I'm telling you right now, I love Max as a raider, but if you could get two ones. Oh, you do that. From New England, I think you have to consider it. I would peddle him to the NFC first. I don't want to have to see that guy hoisting the trophy in my conference.

All right, let's go to the next story. That's Jaden Daniels. Dude, do you remember how much we talked about this guy last year as he guided Washington to the NFC championship? Well, this past season, he did nothing because he was hurt. And now he's got a new O.C. in, wait for it. David Blow, former Detroit Lions practice squad guy. I think he took a couple snaps.

Here's Dan Quinn talking about how Jaden is going to look a little different this season. It'll look different some, JP, in some ways, as we're still kind of building some of the things together. But this is going to be like an aggressive, balanced attack, but like that will probably have more under center than we have in the past. We're going to try to feature every part of Jaden in the way that makes him unique and special. Jaden's a big part of our thinking and all the things that we do. He wasn't a part of the staff selection, but like he drives a lot of the thinking and how we can feature him and where, goes. And so having the ability to connect with him, that's certainly a big deal for us. All right. So a pretty good stat here, Colin.

Warren Sharp, you know, he's a buddy. Sure, sure. So he sharded under center dropbacks last season, where you're taking snaps from under center. Okay. Washington was dead last in the league. 17 snaps the whole season. Under center. Sorry, dropping back. And it's like, Dude, what are you doing? So maybe that's why they move off Kingsbury. They need to change it up. So now Jaden will be under center more.

Guess who happened to be under center the most, as you can see on the chart here. Rams, number one. Number two, by the way, in snaps under center, Chicago Bears number two. And all the teams at the top had a lot of success. Well, you know, this is why the NFL's great. It's constantly evolving. It was an under center league. Then it was a shotgun league.

And now the better teams are going back under center when you have a star quarterback. So, and a lot of people like under center because a quarterback never takes his eyes off the defense. As defenses get more sophisticated, you know, in the shotgun, you look down for half a second or a second to get the snap, and the defense can shift at the snap of the ball. So a lot of the guys in the league, the offensive coordinators can like under center. So one of the things that is really cool about the NFL, you and I, baseball went forever without making changes. and then Rob Manfred over like a three-year period made multiple changes. They all worked. And a baseball now is so much more watchable now than five years ago.

If you go watch a baseball game five years ago, go on YouTube. It's so slow. It's like a rotary phone. Like, I can't do it. NBA's got things that needs to solve. Bill Simmons was talking about this week, and they won't. They're like, well, we got paid. We made money from the networks.

Like, your game's got like four major issues. I don't even think tanking is the biggest issue. The NFL is so cyclical. The rules to PATs don't look like they look. Kickoffs don't look like they look. The catch rule got tweet. And I think part of what I love about football is, I mean, now suddenly, Seattle, by the way, it was, oh, you got to go for it and fourth down.

You know who didn't go out for it on fourth down this year? Denver, Seattle. Like, I just love the way the NFL is constantly shifting and changing and under center is coming back. Well, it's, it's, I don't know that that's. It's like a rule. That's more of like a coach thing. McVeigh and Ben Johnson are at the cutting edge. So they realize the too high safety is taking away the big plays. How do you manipulate those guys?

Put the quarterback under center. We may run the football. So what are the DBs doing? And that I think is a big reason why we're seeing under center now because you have to respect the run game or they'll just matriculate down the field, Kyron Williams. Three years ago. It may have been two. You and I were on the show.

Everybody was like, running backs aren't being. paid. Nobody wants a running back. You and I went on the air and said, slow down. Running backs, especially for young quarterbacks, are like a life preserve. Tight ends and running backs. Like, stop. Isn't it amazing that the MVP of the Super Bowl, Kenneth Walker? Like, it was three years ago, everybody's like, nobody wants to pay the running back. No, no, nobody wants to pay a running back. That second huge contract. Everybody liked running back. Generally, you didn't want to go a second big contract because it's the last position on offense, you can head hunt. You can hit them from anywhere. They come through a line. You can hit them anywhere. So we were early on that. I will say this,

I think McVeigh going to three tight ends at times this year and having ultra success is going to make people be like, do we need to go after more tight ends in free agency? And make sure to ask Jeremiah about this. He was just breaking down the tight ends. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of high end ones, but middle rounds, there could be some tight end value. And you've got to be able to be flexible, whether three wide, three tight ends, two running backs, NFL, just a smart league. Final StoryCon, let's go to NBA All-Star Weekend. I know you're fired up. Very excited.

Well, Kevin Durant, also very excited. I can't tell if he's being real here or he's trying to stir the pot, but he's taking shots at some of the European gentlemen. Here we go. You should ask the Europeans if the world team if they're going to compete. I mean, because if we look at Luca Donch's and, and, you know, you know, and, you should ask the Europeans, the, the world team, if they're going to compete. I mean, because if we look at Luca Donchish and Nicola Yokic now, let's go back and look at what they do at the All-Star game.

Is that competition? So we haven't questioned what they've been doing, but we're going to question O'Heds and the Americans. But these two dudes out there, Luca and Yokish, they don't care about the game at all. These dudes be laying on the floor, they shoot from half court, but you got worried about the old heads playing hard. I can read between the lines, bro. You know, he's not wrong on that.

I mean, Yokic has no interest. None. Kevin Durant, your buddy, Kevin Durant, can be very funny. I like him. Now, he's on to something. I'll be real, though, Colin. Luca, Janice, Yokic, these guys international. All-Star games are nothing.

They don't mean a damn thing. They play for championships overseas. And that's what those guys are into here. Not some fluffy All-Star game where there's no defense being played by guys who aren't great defenders anyway. You know, so KD. on to something. I don't know how you fix that when your best players in the league are international

don't care about the All-Star game and don't play defense. I can do a show on four to five things the NBA needs to change. Please don't. I won't because the truth is when we get to late April, May and June, the playoffs are going to be unbelievable.

Every year in this space, when the football season ends and we start moving to the NBA and the stars aren't playing because, you know, they're resting either you're tanking or they're resting for the playoffs. You know, like people have like minutes, maybe privately on what they want to play. We all go crazy on the NBA.

The playoffs will show up in May and they'll be really, really good. Yeah, by the way, 30, remember college basketball, 33 games. NBA 82. So, yeah, college guys got to go hard. You got to make the tournament. NBA, 82A. Let's take a week off here, a week off there. Kind of like your summers when you're gallivanting globally with the other coastal elites.

I play less than LeBron. in the summer. J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Herd Lye News. Live in Chicago, it's The Herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon

Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, FS1, and the I-Hard Radio app. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers, and guess what? We have some big news. What's the news, new? Huge news. We created our own podcast called, Hey Jonas.

We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name, Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember.

I think it was on a call about what we should call it. Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names of our band. Before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down. Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast, people could call in and say, hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad,

Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL, late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and friends.

me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer, Streeter Seidel, help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends

on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Here's something that should not be as complicated as it is. Getting a racist statue removed. And here's something that should be a whole lot easier than it is. Getting a new one put up in its place. As long as there's a politics of race in America, there's going to be a politics of remembering the civil war. To get to school, I had to go down Robert Lee Boulevard.

Get to the grocery store. I had to go down Jefferson Davis Parkway. If you're an historian and you leave out half of what the history is, you're not doing your job. I'm Akila Hughes. In Rebel Spirit, Season 2 goes deep on both of those things. The fights, the politics, the people who won, and my personal. campaign to add something to the Kentucky State House that's actually worth the wall space. We are more than our bodies. We contain essence. We contain spirit. How do you represent that? They are just fueling a fire that is really catching. You'll see what I mean. Listen to Rebel Spirit Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

Keith Gianmanca seemed like a mild-mannered suburban dad, but secretly, he became someone else. A master of disguise who went on a crime spree. At the time, did it seem like a crazy idea? It seemed very crazy. But I felt so desperate that I felt it was the quickest, easiest way out. Did you allow yourself to think about how it could go wrong and what that might look like? No, I didn't want to manifest that.

I was trying to manifest success. Every family has its secrets. But what happens when you discover that your dad has been living a double life? That is not the look of an innocent man. This is going to change my life and my family dynamic forever because everything that had existed prior in my reality is now untrue. Listen to Deep Cover the Family Man on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

The story I've told myself about, Love or relationships can then shape my behavior, and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast deeply well with Debbie Brown and explore the journey of healing, self-discovery, and returning to yourself. We explore higher consciousness, emotional well-being, and the practices that help you find clarity, peace, and self-mastery in a world that can feel overwhelming. The world is becoming lonelier.

We're not becoming more social and connected. We're becoming more individualized, but we actually need people in connection. If you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole, this podcast is for you to hear more. Listen to deeply well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Tonight on FS1, Speed Weeks is underway as the NASCAR Cup series goes full throttle for the duel at Daytona. Pre-race gets going at 6 Eastern with green flag flying at 7 to set the field for the Great American Race. Hey, has it been confirmed, J. Mack, that licorice is bad for you? Because I've had six pieces today, and I've never felt better in my life.

Is this red licorice black? It's unbelievable. I could knock down Twizzlers like a bowl of it. And I never feel, I never once in my life have had licorice and thought, oh, that didn't agree with me. Yeah. Every time I try Skittles, I'm like on cloud nine. Skittles, there's no sugar in that, so you should be good. No red dyes or anything.

You're all clear on that. You know, half the stuff, you read in the internet, I don't even, oh, you can't drink anymore. Well, I'm very stressed out last night and my cortisol levels were high, so I knocked down a gin and soda. I felt like I was honestly Clark Kent. I was Superman. What was the stress? Was this because you have to stop talking about Sam Darnold now? Dealing with a lot of your nonsense is it's very stressful.

I got to tell you, people always say now the big trend is, young people don't drink. They don't drink. That's a you problem. That's where all the fun is. I don't think I did anything in my 20s and 30s that was meaningful without a tequila shot or a corona. That's your problem if you don't want to have fun. You needed the liquid courage to talk to the.

ladies back in the day, right? Yeah. I mean, sometimes Ann gets mad at me. I need liquid courage to talk to Ann. He was fired up last night. I was like, I better have one. Oh, that's why you were upset. Okay, not low-maintenance, J-Mackets.

Anne was on your case. Got it. All right. All right. Hey, Valentine's Day is right around the corner, buddy. I hope you got your act together there. I know what Saturday is. Okay.

Just making sure. Very few days a guy's got to get right. Anniversary, you may want to put that in your phone. Yeah. Valentine's Day. That one, that one kind of seems to matter a lot. Did you send Sam Darnold any roses or anything or, you know, just to make, cover all the bases? I have made contact through sources to Sam Darnold, wishing him greatness going forward. That's great. Daniel Jeremiah is coming up next hour.

I'm telling you, if you haven't read that stuff on the commingo warrior Steve Kerr, that was delicious. Not as good as licorice, but that was a great story. That was an unbelievable story. Nobody's talking about it because of the Super Bowl. Go read it. Hey, guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe.

I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick. And guess what? We created our own podcast called, Hey, Jonas. Nice. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it.

We get to ask other people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it. But, you know, tired and sick. Tired and sick. Listen to Hey, Jonas, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Just listen. We don't care where you hear it. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman help make you funnier. This week, my guest, SNL's Mikey Day and head writer Streeter Seidel help an a cappella band with their between songs banter. Where does your group perform? We do some retirement homes. Those people are starving for banter. Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the I-Heart Radio Act.

Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. The story I've told myself can then shape my behavior and that can lead me to sabotage the possibility of connection. This Mental Health Awareness Month, tune into the podcast Deeply Well with Debbie Brown if you've been searching for a soft place to land while doing the work to become whole. This podcast is for you to hear more.

Listen to Deeply Well with Debbie Brown from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Joey Dardano, and on my new podcast, Hope from a Hypocrite, I'll be changing lives, helping people in need with thoughtful solutions. Sike, I'm a comedian. I'm not qualified to give good advice. Join me and my comedian friends as we riff, rant, recommend some of the most legally dubious advice known to me. This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know.

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