The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Ranking the NFC QBs

Episode Date: March 7, 2023

He ranks his top 10 quarterbacks in the NFC after Derek Carr lands with the Saints. Nick Wright from First Things First joins the show to explain why the Warriors are not an elite team that can contend for a championship this seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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station for the Heard at Fox Sports Radio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeartRadio app by searching Heard. Now let's get this party started. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go, hour two. Loaded. It's the herd in Los Angeles, wherever you may be, and however you may be listening. Thanks for making this part of your day. Nick Wright in five minutes. So he's Jay Mack joining us. So we were talking about this about the story about Aaron Rogers. Multiple sources say he has talked to the Jets. He is willing to go to the Jets. Multiple sources, including Mike Silver say Green Bay is done with Aaron. They're over it.

They thought he checked out when he got bag in March. They're over. So this thing's So Brady's retired, cars gone to the Saints, Gino's back with his Seahawks, Aaron to the Jets. And we've talked about how the best five young quarterbacks in the NFL, the top five or six, outside of Jalen Hertz, he may be one of the six. They're all in the AFC. So if you're Tom Brady, are you sitting there going, if Aaron goes to the AFC, I've got to play for San Francisco. You've got to come back. So we got talking this morning.

who are of the 16 teams in the NFC, who are the top 10 quarterbacks? So, Colin, we break a lot of new ground on this show, almost weekly. I feel like this is the saddest list of any list we've had since I joined the show in September. This is really embarrassing for the NFL. When you do the best quarterbacks in the AFC, it's the best quarterbacks in the league. Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, Lamar, Trevor Lawrence. Like it's, this just shows to the state. If Aaron goes to the Jets, this is why Brady has to go to the Niners.

Let's remind people, there are 16 teams in the NFC. All right. Here we go. Matt Stafford, number one high school quarterback, number one college quarterback of Georgia, number one draft pick. The year they won the Super Bowl, he threw for 6,000 yards and 50 touchdowns. He's an elite talent. He's getting older. He's been banged up. But nobody doubts.

The no-look throws. Big time, A-plus-plus arm. when the Rams gave him protection, he was a machine. Out dual Joe Burrow in the Super Bowl. He's number one. Number two, I'd like to see him without a stack team, but Jalen Hertz shows me a lot. The Super Bowl performance was otherworldly.

16 and 2. I mean, that's like that Super Bowl, for any doubter out there, was a wow jaw-dropping performance. Leadership, maturity, I get everything I want. A grown-up, an adult, focused, ascending, good dude. I'd like if he was two inches taller. A bigger arm.

I get everything else. Jalen hurts too. Laugh all you want. Jared Goff's been to a Super Bowl. By the way, first seven years in the NFL, it's a pro bowl or three times. Oh, by the way, led the Lions to their first winning season since 2017.

He's pretty good. 90 plus passer rating in five of the last six years. He's not mobile. He's Matt Ryan with better arm talent. Matt Ryan won an MVP, Jared Goff 3. Tyler Murray, a bit of a head case, have questions about his size and durability, but he's the first player in league history that had 70 touchdown passes and 20 rushing touchdowns in his first three years in the league. Not even Josh Allen did that. Lamar didn't do that.

Mahomes didn't do that. He is a unique, unique global football quarterback town. He's got to get his mentals right or whatever's upstairs and the video game stuff, but he can play. Now it gets real close. Dak Prescott, you know, his completion percentage is top 10 all time at 67%. So his passer rating is good. Now, first several years in the league, he had the best running back and the best offensive line. He's come back down to Earth as the team has needed Dak to carry them more than

Dak's being carried by the team, but I put him at 5. Maybe an inch above Derek Carr, who I would put at 6. Derek's a four-time pro bowler. Derek's a better fourth quarter quarterback. Derek has never had close to the support of Dak Prescott. So Derek Carr's had horrible defenses, six different coaches, instability, his entire career. And he leads the NFL with 33 game-winning drive since he entered the league. He is one of the best come from behind fourth quarter quarterbacks in the NFL with a mess.

He's a life preserver for a rickety, wobbly raider franchise. Now he's his same. Seven Kirk Cousins, you know, he and, I mean, I don't get any more. I don't get a big arm. He shrinks in big games. What do you want me to say? But he does give you 4,000 yards passing almost every year. Seven of eight years, you get 4,000 yards passing. Now, unlike Derek Carr,

when you need him in the fourth quarter, I can trust Derek. I never trust Kirk. And unlike Dak Prescott, Dak can move around a little bit with his feet. Kirk can't. So I put him at seven. Number eight, Gino Smith. Look at the numbers. He had decent protection last year. He completed 69% of his throws,

almost 70. 30 touchdowns, 11 picks. He's grown up. I get size. Six, three and a half, two, twenty. He's a big kid. Hard worker. I think he's limited. I don't think he's going to make a ton of plays off script. I think a lot of his success last year was the run game, but I would put him at number eight. I can't do a nine. And I can't do a ten. I can't do it. Don't even ask me to put Daniel Jones or Brock Purdy on them. Can't do it. So half the NFC has just unviable quarterbacks for the list, right? That's what Well, who do you want me to, who would you have me put at nine? There's no way.

Brock. Give me a break. I can't. Seven games. I will push back on Kirk Cousins. You just said you don't trust him in the fourth quarter. Kirk Cousins led the NFL this season in game winning drives and fourth quarter comebacks with eight.

I know it was a miracle season and all that. I think you've got to make the case. Kirk Cousins could be as high as three on this season. Oh, good hell. That's a one-year outlier. It was, Jared Goff is continuing greatness. Kylo Marie had one good season. Jared Goff has gone on the road.

One big playoff. He had McVeigh. Come on, dude. He had McVeigh. Did you watch what he did with the Lions this year? Their offense was stellar. They were excellent. Ben Johnson was outstanding.

Oh, by the way, they missed the playoffs. I forgot. That's right. Well, I mean, so winning record in Detroit. He was good. I like Goff. I can't put him ahead of Kirk Cousins. If I told you, Colin, non-prime-time-time game, one p.m. start tomorrow.

Time-out, time out. If you told me non-prime time game. Yeah. So the Super Bowl would be, you couldn't take Cousin. Well, or Thursday or Monday, or Fox Game of the Week. That was a joke. But Kirk Cousins or Jared Gough to start a big game tomorrow. You're taking Gough?

This is nonsense. Of course I'm taking golf. Okay. I saw his last big game. At Lambo, he outplayed Aaron Rogers. He did. Come on. Nick Wright, who's been on vacation.

Again, Brazil. Did he mix in Acapoco, Madrid? I mean, look at him. Honestly, I've never seen any. Look at the tan. How long were you off, by the way? I don't know, long enough that evidently Kyler Murray had three great seasons that I missed. You got him at Dak Prescott.

I mean, what are you talking about? Are the guys smaller than your son? and injured and nobody likes him. What are you doing there? I can ride with you on golf. I understand a lot of what you did. I'd have had Jalen ahead of Stafford, but that's picking nits.

But Kyler Murray should be, of those eight quarterbacks, the last one listed. He just has to be. He has every red flag, Colin. Best I can tell, Larry Fitzgerald had the choice of play with him or quit the sport. and quit the sport. They don't think he studies, and he's hurt all the time.

I don't know. The Kyler thing I disagree with. Otherwise, good list. All right. So I've got to start with this, and your pictures with your beautiful wife were amazing, and I'm very happy for you. So I said this.

Everybody was selling their warrior stock, and I said, in my lifetime, if you go back, even to the tough guy pistons, a lot of intellectual basketball capital. Dumars became a GM, Isaiah, GM, Lambeira coach, Mahorna coach. I think the intellectual capital in the building, Bob Meyer, Steve Kerr, Steph Curry, Draymond Green, Andrew Wiggins. I buy this team.

I think when Steph's been gone, it's allowed them. DeVin Genzo's playing. Jordan Poole-Step. I think their backcourt depth is insane. Sure. But why are they so awful on the road and great at home? They're terrible on the road. Yeah, they're not very good team, Kaan.

and while Bill Lambere was a tough guy, he didn't punch his teammates. He saved that for Larry Bird and Michael Jordan. So I think you started off the season poorly. And Colin, and this one at some, congrats to the Warriors for winning that title last year. I did not see it coming. I did not expect it.

And I deep down still think of Chris Middleton stays healthy. They don't win that title, but that's neither here nor there. That banner will fly forever. But Colin, 20 games in, this team was 10 and 10. 40 games in They were 20 and 20 60 games in

They were 30 and 30 And they currently Have more road victories Than the Spurs and the Rockets And that is the list Oh Nick but Steph's been out They are 20 and 19 when Steph plays And 14 and 12 when he doesn't

No matter how you slice it This is an average team that as great as Steph is, he can't save this team. So I know that you were buying up that Warrior stock that those other people were selling. I sold most of mine, but I held a few shares. But I'll sell it to you right now, my friend, because this team is drawing dead to win a title. I think it was such an emotional relief and such an emotional investment to winning it last year, that this year when it starts off poorly and they deal with injuries and the young guys don't

come around the way they'd hoped, it's just too much of an ask, in my opinion. So it's interesting. I covered Arvita Simonas in Portland for several years. Yokic reminds me a little of him. A big durable body. Tremendous passer. You can move him away from the basket, automatic near the basket. He's going to win another MVP. It bothers you, though. Now, the stats, the data, he's highly productive, uniquely gifted as a sort of center, point center. Sabonis had the ability to literally run the offense through him behind the back passes. Why does it drive you nuts that he's going to win another MVP?

Well, I just, I think there is, and I wonder if you agree with me on this, Colin. I think there is a new arrogance of the media that is polluting a lot of, of our sports coverage, and the reason I say that here is the entirety, it would seem, of NBA MVP voters, or at least the vast majority, are convinced they have this award right, and all of history must have had it wrong. Because, oh, Nick, it's just a regular season award. What you've done in the postseason does not matter, and how many you have won. does not matter. Then why does no one ever win three straight? Then why does everyone in the

history of this award who has gotten a third, much less three straight, had been to at least one, most usually two, and for everyone but two guys had won a championship, been to a finals or been to two finals, I should say, and for everyone but two guys won a championship. So what you're telling me is the voters in the past who decided, all right, Magics won two and a round. row. We're not giving him a third in a row. Michael's won two in a row. We're not giving him a third in a row. Steph, Janice, LeBron, those guys had it wrong. And you have it right. Well, Nick, he's the one seed with amazing numbers. Well, that can't matter, though, because those same voters last year told me he should win as the sixth seed. The reason I care, Colin,

is because I think NBA MVP is one of the only awards we have left that has true historical relevant. You want to tell a story of the eras? Go look at the damn MVP's. In the 60s, Wilton Russell won them all. Guess who the players were? Wilton Russell. In the 70s, Kareem won six.

In the 80s, Michael, Bird, and Magic won. Let me do the math quickly in my head. in the 80s Michael only won one. So they won nine of them. And in the 90s it's Jordan with, oh, Akeem, that was an important player. Then we have Duncan, we have Shaq, we have Lebrun. It tells the story of the league.

Right. And in 60 years, folks are going to be like, oh man, how many titles Yokic wins? Like, oh, none. Did he get unlucky? Nope, nobody actually even expected him to win the title. What about him they were the one seed? People, no, the same voters who are demanding,

if you don't vote Yokich, you don't understand the story. sport, ask them who they got winning the West, much less the title. And you know who they'll say? Teams who have players who are better than Yokic, but they're not actually better than Yokic, but they play defense and then get a bucket better. But have you seen Yokic's Vorp?

He's a great player. And if he hadn't won the previous two, which he shouldn't have, I would be fine with him winning this one. But now he's going to win them all. And I'm just asking this question. If he wins again this year, and then they lose in round two again, last year,

was actually round one. He can win next year, though, right? Because it's not about the playoffs. It's about, he just let him win all the awards. Not that I'm passionate about it. It just bothers me, Colin. We used to have standards in this country. Well, oh boy.

Well, you know, I think your argument, your historical argument is, generally we give it to the guy who we feel like is the greatest player. And we've gotten a little, I agree with you on this. I tend to be, I think the right. season and the post season, though, are two different seasons. It's officiated differently. Home court. Yes, but it does.

Hold on, but let me just ask this. That's true. But Janus won two in a row. Right. And flamed out in the playoffs. And you know what they said? You can't win the next year. Yeah, true.

Nash won two in a row and then had his best season. And they didn't make the finals. And so they didn't let him win the next year. That's true. Why are we changing? What they are arguing is, those voters got it wrong. But with the Janus thing, it's the same voters.

I don't understand it. Yeah. No. He still reminds me of Arvita Sabonis a little bit. Okay, finally. Maybe not finally. There's a lot of things. I have very flawed, vulnerable friends, and that's why I love them. They're all a little off.

I do have one thing, though, that is a non-starter. Can't be high maintenance. I'm busy. I'm married. I got kids. I got businesses. You can't be high-maintenance. maintenance. So I know if I ran the Packers, I'd be like, dude, I can't do it. I love you.

I can't deal with the constant. Nobody loves me. So I get Green Bay despite Aaron's talent. As I've said before as a GM, Baker Mayfield, by the way, undraftable to me. I'll take Kirk Cousins, less drama. What do you make, what would you do if you're Green Bay? I'd rather play love. I'd be done with it. The juice is no longer worth. the squeeze. Not for the money and for the drama. There was a point in time where it was. But now people, we are asking Aaron Rogers, in a season where he will turn 40 to get better, at the level of player he was last year, he's not worth the contract and the headache. And why would we expect him to reverse the aging curve? Because Tom Brady did? Brady and LaBroner,

Colin are going to have a long tail of making teams make bad decisions because teams are going to see their aging stars and say, well, Brady had a whole other chapter left and LeBron had five more years left. Those guys are the outlier, not the rule. And so when you add to it that he is, and it is his right and I understand it, but a, you know, a seven-month player instead of a 10-month player, the way the rest of the quarterbacks in this, top quarterbacks in this league are, I'd move on. Now, I said they should have played Love the final month of the season, and everybody killed me for it, but now I bet they wish they had, because then at least they would know if they turn it over to Love,

are we screwed or not? Do we need to find a new quarterback? Now they're going to be flying blind, but they can't, he's not good enough anymore to allow, to have total control over the team. At least that's the way I see it. Okay.

Now, you are going to do this for a long time. I've been doing it for a long time. I am, we tend to bury people at the end of their careers. And my takeaway is if somebody's good and having fun and making good money, keep doing it. How is it going to land for you if Aaron goes to the Jets and Brady comes back and plays for the Niners? What do you make of that? Because it's going to happen. Oh, listen, I think that's, you say it's going to happen?

I think it's. Did I just hear it's going to happen? I really think it's 50-50. People I trust. Mike Silver told me two weeks ago, he goes, it's just too obvious. Purdy's not going to be ready until Thanksgiving off the surgery. It's too good of a roster to just say, we're going to put Trey Lantin and cross our fingers. It's too good of a roster.

All right. Well, listen, I'm not writing off Trey Lans. However, before Brady retired, I assumed that was definitely where he was going. Miami or San Francisco. You need a ready-made roster. San Francisco is as ready-made as it gets. It makes all the sense in the world. And I, Colin, I'll tell you this much,

I actually, I've come around on this, I'd be fine with it. Because my guy, Patrick Mahomes, is going to win all the records, when all the Super Bowls have all these things. However, as it stands, there is one box he will never be able to check. beat Tom Brady in the playoffs.

But if Tom Brady comes back to San Francisco, oh, we know how that game would go. Now all of a sudden, we get Mahomes Brady in a championship with Mahomes complete, you know, that would probably be for Mahomes' attempt to go 20 and 0. Forget back to back.

I mean, potentially, you know, I don't know if you've looked up down the Chief's depth chart, but I don't see a lot of holes and I don't see a lot of losses on the upcoming schedule. So how great would that be? How great would that be? Tom Brady goes back to San Francisco, that Mahomes has three career playoff losses. Two of them are to that guy.

And if he gets him to complete a second straight Super Bowl, maybe an undefeated season, oh my goodness gracious. So, yeah, I hope Brady comes back. I hope he comes back to the NFC, and Mahomes will see him at the top of the mountain. All right. I wanted to see how that would land for you. Well, he's tanned. I'm fine with it.

Yeah. Brazil was nice. I've never gone there. It was nice. well let i it was it was the most like as far as landscape the most beautiful place i've ever been uh it was absolutely amazing i appreciate that the listeners don't care about that so we can move on you also look quite listen colin said that means it's hell america some real quick colin does colin we all get time off and go on vacation yeah and some of us go sunny places and colin's like

oh look at these tan people meanwhile pretending he's just been grinding he goes to his ski chalet where yeah he doesn't get tan because he's wearing goggles but he sure as hell seems to having a good time and acts like we're living the good life give me a break you're breaking up i can't hear you uh nick right first things first after our show good to seeing you i do wear ski goggles i like to ski uh all right yeah that if brady i mean you can you could see it happening mahomes meets brady you could see it absolutely happening can we go back to your list real Quick or should we wait for after the break? Because I found some staggering numbers here that... Oh, God. Yeah, so did I.

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Peter King is suggesting. this is an interesting story that Lamar Jackson will won't play under the non-exclusive franchise tag. Now, we suggested this yesterday that the Ravens are going to offer a non-exclusive franchise tag, basically saying, we love you, well, we like you, we don't love you, go to the market. We think this is what you are. Go to the market. And if somebody else buys him out of the franchise tag, the Ravens no longer have him to get two number ones. And I said this yesterday.

The Ravens, the second best team in the league was arguably Cincinnati. Cincinnati, Kansas City, Philly were the three best teams most of the year. I watched the Ravens with third-string quarterbacks give the Bengals back-to-back games fits with backup and third stringers. I can see Baltimore thinking to themselves, let's just redraft a quarterback, let's start the clock over, load our roster up like Philadelphia. Brock Purdy, we watched him. This is a copycat league. I can see this team like the Niners, great coach, great GM, great owner, great culture, very good roster. This is a copycat league.

I can see Baltimore saying, listen, last, let me look up the starts here. I like Lamar Jackson. He's dynamic. He wins 75% of his games. I've defended him forever. But his last 15 starts. His passer rating is in the mid-80s. He's 19 touchdowns and 12 picks.

Nobody thought this guy was a 20-year quarterback or a 15-year quarterback. He's been injured in his last 15 starts twice. So as Baltimore is saying, listen, we like him a lot. And we're going to offer him a really big one-year deal. But the worst thing you can do in this league is overpaying for a quarterback who's no longer ascending, no longer has plateaued, and maybe slightly regressing. Baltimore is well-run. I would have a hard time in that division.

Deshawn Watson, Joe Burrow, Steelers winning ways, moving off Lamar. But when you like the Niners in Philadelphia, when you trust your GM, your coach, your owner, your culture, and your roster, you restart that quarterback clock, you pay them nothing, you can completely load up on the roster, you draft a quarterback in the second, third, fourth round. So, you know, it just seems to me that the breakup's getting. more inevitable by the day. This stuff is now, if Peter King's hearing about it, somebody wants Peter King to hear about it. It's either Lamar's side or the Raven side, but neither one has a

problem with it being out there. So the one thing that eliminates you from Super Bowls is overpaying for even a B plus quarterback. Dak Cousins takes you out. I mean, Dallas right now is, they've got to make some big decisions. Minnesota's had to let people go. That's the reality of it. So it's, and I can, I think Lamar's unique. I think there's wow qualities. I think he wins 75% of his games. I would sign him. I'm just telling you, I can see how Baltimore thinks.

Owner GM coach roster culture. We gave Cincinnati fits with backups. Not a miracle play by the Bengals or we beat the Bengals with second and third string guys. Let's just go get a max dug it in the second round. Let's go get a really talented guy in the second round, roll the dice with our roster, and load it up because we're not paying the quarterback anything. You look at San Francisco. You look at Philadelphia.

Those are rosters. You can win a lot of games. We don't know how good Brock Purdy is. We think Jalen Hertz is good. Is he that good? J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news.

This is the Herd-Ly News. This Lamar Jackson's stuff is stunning. We'll get to it in a second, but we actually have sound of Baltimore's VP, Ozzie Newsom, talking about just how weird the negotiations have been with Lamar Jackson. The biggest thing is that we have a deadline tomorrow at 4 o'clock to put the tag on.

And I know today and up until about 3.30 tomorrow, a lot of energy is going to be put, be utilized in trying to get the deal done. And if not, we will put the franchise tag on him. Interesting, he says the franchise tag, not the exclusive or the non-exclusive. So, Colin, let's spin this out like it's a challenge. chess match before I call you out on I would pay Lamar Jackson. So they put the non-exclusive tag on Lamar Jackson. Let's say that's the move.

What does Lamar Jackson say? Does he come out and say, I'm not playing? I think he'd be unhappy. We suggested yesterday, and Peter King suggesting today, he would be unhappy with that and look for another suitor. And then Miami gets interesting. If the Jets don't land Aaron Rogers, very interesting. I think Washington's really interesting.

But you've got to convince one of those teams. to give up two first-round picks. Okay. And then you've got to pay Lamar. And it's not just pay. And you said I would just pay him. He wants fully guaranteed. He's been clear.

He wants more than Russell Wilson. He wants Deshawn Watson fully guaranteed him. Okay, but he's not going to get that. And he's going to find that out in the market. If I'm Washington, and I've really, you can make an argument with Washington. See, the NFC teams have not played Lamar regularly. So his act, his style will be brand new to the NFC. There's a surprise element.

The Giants, Dallas, Philadelphia. They haven't faced him. A lot of the AFC teams, you know, the Steelers. I think he faced that division. He faced the Giants for sure last year. But I mean, now you're Dallas. You've got to face him twice. Philadelphia twice.

Giants twice. NFC twice. NFC's a weaker conference. Again, which of these teams is going to roll the dice and say, we'll give up the two number ones and then negotiate with him? Because it's not like it's a traditional agent relationship. Remember, he's got a family member. Hey, call Lamar Jackson's mom or whoever's doing the negotiation.

Call her up and see if you can... Washington may have new owners. We saw what the Phoenix Sun's new owner did. Go get KD. But he was actually on the job. I don't think Snyder can sell in time for the new owners. This is a tricky one, Colin. You can't be pathetic at quarterback.

You can't be weak at quarterback. Well, you also can't give them a fully guaranteed deal. Well, you can. It may take you out of the Super Bowl bubble, but Washington may just say, forget Super Bowl. We just want to be a playoff team. You can be a playoff team with Lamar Jackson and the

NFC. Definitely. Not every used to... If Lamar goes to the NFC on your rankings, the top... Top three quarterback. Only top three? Stafford. I don't know what order, but it'd be Lamar Hurt, Stafford. Absolutely. I would tend to agree with it. I think Lamar's

probably the best quarterback in the conference. I would take him over golf. He's more dynamic. He's younger, but the injury risk is there. Yeah. He's dynamic. just paying him fully guaranteed. Like, I don't see a lot of teams wanted to do it, Colin. Too risky.

Next up. So obviously, we've got to go back to Aaron Rogers and my Jets. Packers and the Jets have been in discussion regarding a possible trade. I'm not sure it would be a slam dunk for the Jets, Colin. You know that.

Here's what Rogers Packers teammate, Aaron Jones, thought about the Rogers Jets rumor. Definitely keep seeing that everywhere. I know. The Jets, but, you know, he's in, as right now, he's in Green Bay or if he comes back in play.

So don't want him to go anywhere. You guys can have one of those other veteran quarterbacks. Jimmy G. He's a winner. You guys can have Jimmy. Hell yeah. I like Jimmy G. I would overpay Jimmy G. As opposed to trade for Aaron Rogers. Oh, boy, you are really negative Aaron. The toxicity in the Green Bay locker room was like your number one story all fault.

Was it not? Why do I want to bring that into my locker room? Let me ask you this. You own parts. of a basketball team and a soccer team? I do. Would you be willing to put up with a difference-making talent

if they had some high-maintenance qualities? I guess it depends on... To elevate your net worth of your franchise, because now we're talking about them, now all of a sudden, everybody's selling merchandise. Yeah, the Jets would kill

for a home playoff game. They haven't hosted a playoff game in forever. Think about an owner's perspective. If you own this basketball franchise and the soccer franchise, now you're discussed nightly on sports, Center, your merchandise, you can double the price of it. You are now in the...

By the way, you don't care if it's good or bad press. You never got any press. The Jets are off the front page or back page in New York. They have the longest playoff drought in the NFL. If I'm the owner of the Jets, Aaron Rogers puts my logo on SportsCenter, Fox, ESPN, NBC all day. I'm going to get... God, Tebow did. Tebow made the Jets relevant.

So from an owner's perspective, and owners ultimately make this call. Hall. Aaron Rogers is, it's like when LeBron went to Cleveland. Dan Gilbert literally made 250 the $300 million in franchise worth that day. Then they won the finals, add $400 million more onto it. Aaron makes the Jets the second he signs worth $400 million more as a franchise. Absolutely. It makes financial sense. And you know the media line, if it bleeds, it leads. So all these Aaron Rogers versus media scrums, they're going to be churn on this show. Every show at this network. We'll be talking jets, sadly. More than ever. I know. What do you need to be sadly? Come on. You know. We wedge enough of it in now. And what did the numbers say for this fall? Was this not one of

the best falls you've had since you started the show? Well, I am a redeemable talent. Final story. All right, yesterday we talked about Janus intentionally missing a shot at the end of the game. I thought it was funny. Here it is. Your guy, Janus. Let me miss a shot so I can get a tripped up. Oh, that's funny. The NBA has said, no soup for you. They took it away, Colin. That is not an official shot.

He has to shoot with an intent to score. There was no intent. No triple double. You know, that sign fell rough. I would have done the same thing if I was the NBA, but I did think it was funny. Hey, Adam Silver can have fun with these little, you know, triple double stories. He's got a big one brewing right now that we're going to talk about in the final hour. What?

There's a big NBA story. and a former colleague of yours at the old place is tossing around a potential 50 game suspension. There's some stuff in the NBA. Adam Silver's got to man up and make some real tough decisions. This is an easy one. Take away the triple double from Janus. There's bigger things afoot.

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It was funny. I was talking earlier about Brady and the Niner rumors, which are gaining steam. and I said, you know, Brady still has something left in the tank. He's not what he was. And I mentioned several players at the end. Roger Stobach was still good at the end. Elway was. Kobe scored 61 Brady.

I said Jeter and a buddy from New York just texted me. He said Jeter was awful his last two and a half, three months. What do I? I just remember the last weekend. Let's not besmirch the name of Derek Jeter, okay? Like one of the greatest baseball players of this generation. Yeah. Okay, but it's interesting because you and I were talking about this is that

does Aaron Rogers feel like a New York jet? And my takeaway is, you said he doesn't. And my takeaway is Aaron doesn't feel like a lot of cities. He's very unique, alternative music, ponytail, darkness retreat. He feels like a hipster from L.A. or New York to me that would live in Malibu, which, by the way, he used to have a house. Maybe he still does. But I don't think Chad Pennington felt like New York.

I don't think, by the way, Eli Manning felt like New York. And it worked. Like I think a lot. Arod felt like big city New York and New York ate him up. I mean, he got a lot of criticism. So Jeter was Kalamazoo, Michigan. Now, he felt like a New Yorker after a while, but initially he's a Midwest kid. He's a skinny shortstop.

You know, like, so I mean, I don't think, I think if you look at the history of New York, Aaron Judge is from like small town, California. If you look at the history of New York athletes, they often come from small places around the country. They are not engulfed by New York. They avoid it. They get into their habits with their close circle of friends and family, Eli, Jeter, Aaron Judge, Chad Pennington.

They don't, you know, who got eaten alive? Jeremy Shockey, Miami. A-Rod got caught up in a lot of the stuff. If you're looking for stardom and you're great looking, looking for stardom, New York gets you into trouble. If you go look at who doesn't get in trouble in New York and who flourishes, focused, small town, don't get, they come from good families, good parents, good support system, and they don't let any of the nonsense and noise.

in fame and hyper, you know, activity get in their face. It's a, this is a great talk because I think Rogers has changed a lot in like the last six years as who he is. I think a lot of it has to do with, you know, COVID and all that stuff. Because I remember pre-COVID, Aaron Rogers came out to a country club out here in L.A. with a golf course and was, you know, trying to get membership to this golf club. And a buddy of mine went and played around a golf with Aaron Rogers at the time he was dating one of these women from Baywatch who was like a great golfer.

You can look her up. she's good at golf. And Rogers was like the most down-to-earth, normal, sensible human being. Just listening to him talk, Colin, in the last year, does he seem normal at all anymore? Well, I don't like the word normal. What is normal? Aaron... We'll start easy. I don't know. Talking to young teammates, hanging out with them, being a leader, maturing. You've said a million times he's not a leader, right? Well, I said for years, Aaron, not every great athlete is a leader. Kevin Durant's a world-class basketball player.

LeBron's that and a leader. Michael Jordan was that and a leader. Magic was that and a leader. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was just a great player. Kevin Durant, an amazing player. Brady has leadership qualities. Peyton Manning. Why can't a quarterback just be amazing?

Fair enough. Fair enough. I would agree with that. Aaron Rogers, do you remember him being a big media maven before the last couple years? He's now going on podcasts with philosophers. That's not something he did five years ago. Okay, let me defend him here.

I'm not bashing him, just to be clear. Yeah, no, I mean, I mean, what's wrong with Aaron Rogers saying, I want to control the narrative on the media? I'm going to go to people I choose that are non sort of networky, they're kind of unique personalities, Joe Rogan types. What's wrong with that? I think, by the way, I started a company that's not a big, gigantic Fortune 500 company. I think it's okay for athletes to seek their own voice through their own platform. Right, but why do this now at 37, 38, 39? As a put, like, he's got the decade before that, he was doing nothing like that.

Because he's not married. He doesn't have kids, doesn't have pets, doesn't have a lot of responsibilities. I do think when you're, the older you get in the, if you're single and you get rich, the older you get, you get very much living in your own galaxy. I mean, he is the sun in his solar system. Everything revolves around him. That's okay. It wouldn't if he was.

married, had three kids. You and I are sacrificing constantly. It's called marriage and kids. He doesn't have that. So Kevin Durant, by the way, not married, no kids, very, very rich late 30s. Kevin's going to do, he's a wander. He's going to go where he wants to go. Aaron's going to go. If I didn't have kids, if I wasn't married, how do you know I wouldn't be just like, I'm going to, I'm going to, I could retire literally today and I can go to Europe and just do my own thing. A guy who talks for three hours a day, five days a week, 300 days a year. He's just going to... Well, I would talk to strangers in Rome.

Yeah, right. There's no way you're retiring anytime. Aaron is a lot of maintenance. It's not my kind of hang. Okay, let me call time out. He's a lot of maintenance. Okay, that's okay. Do you want to bring that to your football franchise when you haven't had a quarterback

who's a leader? Who's the leader in the Jets locker room? Okay. Who, I don't know. Ideally, no. But what are the Jets options? terrible or Aaron Rogers? Pretty easy choice for me.

Is there door number three that says Jimmy Garapolo on it? I like Garoppolo more than most, but he is a B quarterback, and then you add the Can't Stay Healthy label. That makes him a B minor's quarterback. So how do you weigh Can't Stay Healthy versus maybe a little bit out there? I think this company is based. So the Murdoch family, conservative news, right? Yet they own a movie studio.

They learned to deal with artists. Searchlight was a very successful. The Murdox have a conservative news business and move to the most liberal city in the United States and had great success. You just learned a deal with different personalities. I think Aaron Rogers is a unique personality. He's not for everybody. I said, Baker Mayfield, he's a quarterback in the NFL. It's not who I would draft.

But I don't deal with that kind of stuff. It's kind of my non-starter with friendships. You can smoke. You can be silly. You could be late to dinner. You could be a million things. I'm not into needy. So for me, personally, that's a non-starter.

But I'll tell you what, in my quarterback was Zach Wilson or Aaron Rogers, suddenly I'd fall in love with needy. That's a little bit of it. I mean, so I'm sitting here defending Aaron Rogers. Hour three next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite. Unhumor me with Robert Smygel and Friends. Me and hilarious guests from Bob Odenkirk to David Letterman

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