The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Return of Tatum

Episode Date: March 5, 2026

NBA analyst Jason Timpf joins the show to discuss Jayson Tatum’s potential return to the Celtics and if they are in position to contend for another championship. Aaron Rodgers is still on the fence about coming back to play for the Steelers. Jayson Tatum will be coming back this Friday against the Mavericks. The Lakers add another Dodgers exec to their front office. Plus, more on the Bears trading DJ Moore to the Bills!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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McAfee Show, since, like, the season ended. And I defended Aaron Rogers all year. I said a lot of people were punishing him, like, PFF, because he wasn't throwing the ball down the field, and I'm like, they have one receiver. So yesterday, he's still unclear if he's coming back to Pittsburgh. But I will say, if you had an NFL quarterback draft today with everybody in the league,

And it was based on the next three to four years. Yeah, Aaron's not top 20. If you had a quarterback draft for next year only, Aaron Rogers would make my top 10. And you think that's crazy. But the Steelers were a broken dysfunctional offense. They went from 23rd in sacks to 9th. They went from 10th and giveaways to 4th.

Red zone was almost dead last in the league to top 11. Yards after the catch they were first. They averaged more yards per play than, Liam Cohen, Trevor Lawrence, and the Jags, and they averaged more points than the Philadelphia stacked Eagles. So, you know, to me, I thought Aaron had a great year. It was a completely broken ecosystem offensively. They didn't turn it over. They didn't have penalties. They were good in the red zone. They were good after the catch. That's Aaron. What else changed? It was Aaron. So I think, again, if you're talking one year, I think he's a top 10

quarterback. Matt Hasselbeck on Aaron potentially coming back. I think he wants to play football, but with a caveat, only somewhere that plays in his offense with his verbiage. Someone that age I lived it, you don't want to try to learn a new language. You don't. If it's in Pittsburgh with Mike McCarthy or someone that runs that same offense, yes. If it's not, then no. He doesn't want to get in the huddle and have to think about red, left, swap, tight, close, Z, right, sprint, right, G, you corner, half back flat on one. ready break. Like he doesn't want to do that. He doesn't want to wear a wristband. He was to own the offense. And so it's got to be in that kind of a system for him to come back in my mind.

Yeah. I, you know, for 17 games, I would take Aaron over all but about eight guys in the league. And most of those guys I would take because they're a little younger and a little more athletic, but go look what the Steelers were. And just by adding Aaron, look what they became. like a functional offense. Now they have Mike McCarthy. So I have like an adult offensive coach, Dak, Cooper, Rush, Aaron. I honestly think with Baltimore right now

and Cincinnati's ridiculousness, I'm not so sure I wouldn't have Aaron in Pittsburgh winning the division with McCarthy. I really, I mean, say what you want. This head coach, they've already got the staff laid out. You know McCarthy has always been good at Elevation. They have to go get a number two wide receiver, but I think he's coming back.

And with that, here's breaking news. Shams just reported Jason Tatum, just 10 months after surgery for a ruptured Achilles, Jason Tatum will play. He's making his debut is that tomorrow against the Dallas Mavericks. Joining us live, Jason Temp, host of Hoops Tonight at the volume. Had him on a couple of weeks ago. feedback. All right. So, I always say this. When it comes to young athletes in their prime, they always heal faster. They always show up three months before. Okay. So the Knicks have been playing

well. We worry about their defense. The pistons are good, but, you know, their half-card offense. There's a ceiling on it. Tate them to the Celtics. Are they the best team now in the East, potentially? You know, there's this thing with culture this season. for Boston has been a testament to their culture and just how strong it is. But then what happens is you run into really good basketball teams and culture can only take you so far. You need really good players. And last night, the Celtics ran into a Charlotte Hornets team that is 16 and three in their last

19 games. On fire off. Yeah. Conversation for another day, but that is an incredible basketball team they're building out there in Charlotte. But the Celtics got their butt kicks. And there were a couple of specific reasons why. But one of the big reasons why is that their centers really, really, really,

struggled to guard and pick and roll. And they were just getting absolutely fried by everybody from the Hornets. And the big difference between last year's center rotation and this year's center rotation is one, you don't have Al Horford, a guy who has more scheme versatility he can switch. But two, guess who guarded centers for the most part last year? Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum's ability to guard centers gave the Celtics the ability to switch most ball screens. And it was one of the primary driving forces behind them winning the title, most famously breaking that Dallas offense by putting Tatum on centers and switching all of those ball screens. And so again, it's all fun in games. This has been a very impressive season for Boston,

but they need Jason Tatum. He unlocks their defensive versatility. Jalen Brown on offense, he's at a very good season, but he's shown some susceptibility to certain types of looks. He's specifically struggled against Deep Drop, which is something that Charlotte did a bunch to them last night. Jason Tatum gives you another guy who can kind of alleviate that burden on Jalen Brown. And specifically, Jason Tatum is a much better passer. And it's something that, as we talked about, it'll be a little clunky at first in implementing him into this offense, but ultimately it will make them more versatile on both ends of the floor and make them a much better team against the best competition around the league. All right. I watched every second of the Knicks hammering

the spurs. They had every, they missed a couple of late three pointers. They could have beaten O KC last night. So, you know, and you know this, Jason, regular season's different when you can play a team four or five times in a row and hunt their defensive weakness. Maybe the Knicks aren't built for that. Maybe. But I will say we worried about Tibbs. Oh, here's Mike Brown. They're bench scoring. I mean, I said this year a day.

You could be a casual fan. Brunson and Kat and OG and Josh Hart and Mikhail Bridges. They got a nice rotation. I mean, do you buy this current streak? You know what's funny? I told you this a couple weeks ago. I believe in this team more than I do recent versions of the Knicks because they're better at some specific things.

Mike Brown in particular, one of the biggest things he's emphasized is early dribble penetration. The Knicks generate the second most spot-up opportunities in the entire NBA this season. Last year they were middle of the pack. So spot-ups in the half-court, that's just a guy standing open on the perimeter. That's where you get a lot of your best offense in the half-court. They are running better offense. They're playing better defense. But my concern was the rest of the league had gotten.

better. What's actually gotten me to buy into the Knicks, Colin, is their matchups against some of these better teams in the league. They match up really well with the San Antonio Spurs. Yep. And the San Antonio Spurs match up really well with the Thunder. And so it's really easy for me to sit here and be like,

oh, do I think the Knicks can beat the Thunder in a series? No, I don't. I don't think Brunson can go blow for blow with Shea. I don't think they have close to the defensive versatility. There's all sorts of issues that would go south for New York in that type of matchup. But they can absolutely. beat all these teams in the east. There's not a team out there in the east that looks unbeatable

or that can present the types of challenges that Oklahoma City can present. If they can somehow get out of the conference, San Antonio has had Oklahoma City's number all season. And San Antonio, to me, like, there's a lot of things with them, some numbers and some specifics with them that are causing me to recalibrate how I view them compared to other young teams. But if the spurs come out of the West and the Knicks come out of the East, the Knicks have had their number this year. Their bigger wings have been able to guard San Antonio's guards. They've been physical with Wemby. Brunson's outplayed deer and Fox.

They look really good in that matchup. And so as I was looking at that Knicks game against the Spurs last week, I was like, man, if things break right, this Knicks team absolutely could win the title this year. All right. So everybody bangs on SGA. And my take is he doesn't have LeBron's size, ants verticality. You know, he doesn't have MJ's length. So you do what you do. It's like most of the great route runners in NFL history at receiver.

are not huge and are not burners. JSN is a great route runner because he has to be a great route runner. And I look at SGA and I'm like he's 6'6 and a buck 94. He's got to manipulate. I don't think the refs, he's curring favor with the refs. I think it's difficult and I do think he's thin and you can bump him off his spot and they're going to blow the whistle. Also, Jordan had 12 free throws a game one year, crickets.

KD's done 10 plus crickets. Three times Kobe 10 plus. but their games are way more fun to watch. So nobody complains. Is part of this is that his game's no fun to watch? So this is complicated because I do think that the foul grifting thing is a problem. Like I'm sorry, but when we're watching a big national TV game and Shay like drives into cat

and just throws up some BS shot that he would never take unless he was trying to draw a foul, I do think that's a bad television product. I just think that's a league-wide issue. And I can't really get on Shay about it when Luca does the same thing and Jalen Brunson does the same thing. And man, even Yokic has been flopping so much as of late. Like, it's just a league-wide problem.

So I don't really see the point in targeting Shea specifically because he's not the only guy that's doing it. Now, the stuff about him being a TV, kind of like a draw for fans, to me, it comes down to that exact concept you're talking about. Footwork is fascinating to a football, like to a huge football fan, right? Or a guy who played or something along those lines. For a guy like me, a basketball nut job, like I have an incredible appreciation for Shea's footwork.

His, like, bizarre, slinky athleticism, his shot-making ability in the mid-range. Like, those are things that I like. But for the masses, for the casual fans, he doesn't get the crazy dunks like LeBron. He doesn't go on these insane shooting displays like Steph Curry. His offense as a team isn't like the incredible passing-fueled, fluid team offense you see from like Yokic or the insane physical feats of Wemby.

So I think honestly with Shea, he just struggles to resonate with the. masses because most of his appeal is to more of the refined basketball side rather than the obvious basketball side. Okay. So I have said this before is that, you know, with the NIL, if one of these powers like Notre Dame or Georgia or Texas a player transfers out, it's mostly because Texas or Notre Dame or Georgia don't hold them in high regard.

You're not taking the best Georgia football player from Georgia. If he's great, they're going to keep him in house. And I feel the same way about guys that get traded. Hardin's a great player, right? Been traded several times. Why? Because eventually the truth comes out. Your game is your game.

Anthony Davis now. Let's be honest. After they win the COVID title, shows up out of shape the next year, the honeymoon was over the minute he showed up to camp out of shape to LeBron, who's obsessed with being in shape. So I love Luca, but the truth was he'd been hurting back-to-back years. I've always said there's a Carmelo component here where he's not in great shape. he doesn't really contribute defensively.

Are you surprised, however, in the last two weeks that it's the first time ever, there's been a lot of criticism with Luca. Some of its roster construction, this is not, it's too much duplication. But have you been surprised by the criticism? No, I think a lot of it is fair. You got to remember when we're talking about guys at this echelon of the league. We're not comparing you to the seventh or eighth best player in the league. we're comparing you to Nicole Yokic, to Shegildos Alexander.

We're talking about a special caliber of player here, and so you can get a little bit more nitpicky. The main thing I've noticed with Luca is that his floor is just a lot lower than those guys. I firmly believe that when Lucas got his stepback three going, he's like the best player in the world because he brings the crazy efficiency math problem that Steph presents with like the size imposition of Yokich, but also with the mid-range proficiency of Shea, he brings it all to the table.

and it shows in the numbers because when he scores, they're super effective. But when he fails to knock those shots down, he just struggles to impact the game in other ways. Here are a couple of crazy stats for him, Colin. The Lakers are just four and seven this year when Luca scores 25 or fewer points. They are 27 and 11 when he scores over 25. They are 19 and 6 when he makes at least four threes. They're 12 and 12 when he makes fewer than four threes. So much comes down to him knocking down that step back three.

And one of the things with Luca is it used to be when he didn't have his jump shot going, he could get to the rim. And that would drive all of these other parts of his game. Colin, his ability get to the rim is consistently declining year over year. 2023 with Dallas, 6.1 rim attempts per game. 2024 with Dallas, 5. 2025, 4.4, 2026 with the Lakers, 3.5. So we have a consistent year over year decline in his ability to get to the rim. And so as a result of that, he's not able to bring another element to his game when his jump shot's not falling. He's not a very good defensive player. He's hard to protect on defense too.

Like, teams have coverages to protect guards that can't defend. But Luca is so slow that they basically have to switch with him, which makes him an easy target. And so really, it's not so much about what Luke is capable of. it's about what he looks like when things aren't going his way with that jump shot. His floor is lower and it just makes him more complicated to build around. Are you surprised that LeBron and Luca on the floor together don't work? Because LeBron generally works with everybody. So I think it's complicated.

I think first of all, they are starting to play better. The big three have started to find some footing on offense over the course of the last couple of weeks. I think the biggest reason why it hasn't worked is LeBron is just having a brutal jump shooting season. This is something I've learned a lot from the NBA over the last few. years. If you want to partner multiple stars together, there needs to be a jump shooting element. Guys need to be able to shoot because that's the only thing that allows them to stay involved and to have utility when they don't have the basketball. And what's so weird is LeBron had been an awesome catch and shoot player the last couple years in the mid 40% from three the previous two

seasons. But LeBron's been having a bad jump shooting season. So as a result, he hasn't had as much off ball utility. The LeBron groups that have been best has been when he's by himself. We've been some of the Lakers' best groups or when he's by himself because he's on the ball. And he's primarily operating in transition and the offense is flowing around him. And so his catch-and-shoot jump shots not as important. But ultimately with this team, you've got two guys in Luca and LeBron in particular that are not great catch-and-shoot players. And that makes them really difficult to play alongside each other. It's called Hoops Tonight.

It's a podcast at the volume. As always, buddy, great. Seeing you. Appreciate it. Good to see you, Colin. Jason Timp, there's a remarkable job in the volume for several years. bringing him on the show, John Middlkoff as well. Yeah. LeBron's jump shot has always been, to me, J. Mac, it's always been hit and miss.

He has stretches. But the thing that would LeBron in his prime is when the jump shot wasn't landing, he just beat guys off the dribble and score at the rim. So that's why LeBron's always loved playing with like a guy, like a Kevin Love or Chris Bosch, a big who can move outside and take the big with him. So if LeBron's jumpers not hitting, he can drive and score at the rim. I mean, Roy Hibbert gave him trouble for years, you know, in Miami when they would play Indiana, because LeBron doesn't want, he doesn't want the bigs around the rim.

So Bosch and Kevin Love were two of his favorite big Anthony Davis, by the way. LeBron didn't want him hanging around the rim. He wanted him out. The problem was AD didn't want to be outside shooting threes. He liked to be closer to the rim and score. And so, yeah, I mean, LeBron's jumpers always been hot and cold. For men over 40, it matters. It's not just about effort.

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And this is what we've said the Cowboys need to do. Lakers and the Cowboys, new set of eyes. So, I mean, what's amazing, I was talking with the guys this morning in this. I'm amazed the Lakers have been that successful because operationally, I don't think they've been well run. They've hit on Hail Marys. I mean, let's be honest.

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It was a Hail Mary. The last three years of Kobe, they were awful. The next two years after Kobe, they were awful. It's remarkable. I mean, they've only got I was thinking about this. With LeBron A.D. and Luca, in their primes, at least LeBron was old prime, the Lakers have gotten one first round win one time since 2020. And they've done it because of brand.

Baseball's got a lot of big brands. The NBA doesn't. The Celtics last time they were in the finals didn't get a number. The Lakers is the brand. And so, I mean, to me, if you can add the operational excellence, of the Dodgers with the branding of the Lakers. I mean, I mean, Rob Polinka even recently talked about what Dodger execs add. When Mark bought the team, Jeannie and I did a really deep dive with him on sort of the areas he wants to grow and move into and get aggressive.

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I tried to sell you on Cliff Kingsbury sliding into McVeigh's spot a couple days ago. You did. Well, wouldn't you know it? Here's Daniel Jeremiah talking about the relationship between, so McVeigh, obviously, and Stafford have a great relationship. Daniel Jeremiah said something. Listen very closely here, Mr. Cowherd, here we go. Stafford is the MVP of the league, but I don't think this is a five-year runway they have there. They're this close to win in a Super Bowl.

And everybody expects that whenever Stafford moves on, there's a deal. decent chance that Sean McVey moves off. So this is their time right now. I can't wrap my brain around Sean McVeigh stamping that and saying, yeah, let's get a quarterback for the future. Oh, by the way, he's not going to be anywhere close to his talented as Stafford.

And I might not even be here to coach him. Yep, yep, you could cross Ty Simpson off your wish list for the Rams. That's not happening. I love that insight from Daniel Jeremiah. Would you agree or no? I think they're going to sign Stafford to a two-year deal,

and this year they're going for it, Trent McDuffie move. They've got to get a tackle. They've got to get a safety, preferably, and another wide receiver, but they don't have a lot of needs. That's why I think they have one first round pick left. I think Mackay Lemon at USC solves their punt, woes, punt returns. He's got great hands, and gives their... made third target because Pooka and Devante Adams get dinged up.

So that their lemon would make their offense and a right tackle. I mean, literally, it was number one in the league last year. It would be flawless. I do think what was interesting, Jason, they gave up, not only a first this year, they gave up a third next year. So the Rams next year have a first round pick and a second round pick, but they now don't have a third or a fourth. And you know they're going to be good, right?

You and I both know the Rams will be good. So how do they go from the 28, 29th, 30th pick to go get the future quarterback? You can't because they now, that's why it's surprising McDuffie, I'm not surprised they gave up a first or a fifth and a six. I'm surprised they gave up a third next year because now they don't have a third or a fourth next year and they've got just a second. Well, you're going to have to give up more than a second to go from the 29th, 30th pick to number six. Yes.

So you'll have to move off players potentially, and they have the depth they could probably do it. But that was interesting to me is that I get this year going all in. But I thought honestly, if they moved off Garoppolo, they would take picks and they would just say, put them in next year's class, which is very attractive to the team. So I don't think, I don't think McVeigh is retired. Well, I mean, listen, if they go to the Super Bowl next year, that will be three Super Bowl trips for him in what, like seven or eight years? Remember the one with Goff. Then they won one with Stafford.

And then they go to another one next year. That's a pretty great run. And he's almost walked away. Remember all this chatter? Is he going to go to a streaming service? Is he going to go to, you know, do some studio work? There's been a lot of that. This guy runs hot, Colin.

He's all in. And then he was the closest stepping away. Come on. You give me another Super Bowl? I think he's out. And I think Kingsbury would be a great fit there. But these people, people that work at lug nut factories or long-haul truckers, They retire, because that's a beat down.

Football coach making $15 million a year, loving what you do in your kind of cognitive prime, retire to what? Well, I didn't say retires. And golf? Step away. Take some time off. So by the way, doesn't he have a kid with the wife? Well, yeah, you can only hang out so much. I mean, honestly, what?

When you have an owner like Stan Cronky, a good GM, you have a stacked Ross. You walk away if you're coach of the Jets. Or that I get. But then you don't have any success or money. So what's the point? McVeigh will have both success and a lot of money. You know what? You only get half of it in L.A.

So in L.A. Stop complaining about the taxes. He could go outside 11 months a year. Haven't you seen his spread? They had the draft set up at his house. It looked like a museum. It was so ridiculous. I don't buy McVeigh's.

What are these guys retiring to? They don't play bridge. Hey, I gave you this two days ago, and now it comes out, Colin. It's almost like one of us is kind of plugged in on the Rams. Anyways, let's move on. Let's move on to the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry Jones, here's our obligatory weekly reference to the Cowboys. They've made a lot of salary cap restructuring moves.

Dak Prescott, CD Lamb, Tyler Smith, creating cap space. Obviously, Jerry Jones, interested in moving up. Well, here's Dak about the possibility of adding veteran to the roster. Heck, yeah. Most definitely, especially, well, as I said, no projects. You or whatever, or what is he, we need guys now to play. Yeah, no red shirts or whatever.

Yeah, I mean, we got a coach in the second year. We know we've had, we had some ups and downs and shone some good moments last year. And this is, this is the year that you make a big jump and getting big time players who can help immediately as a key part of that. All right. Yes. Captures my sentiment about the Cowboys. Everybody's going to be looking up at the New York. Giants anyway, so it won't matter.

I will say I'm liking this Giants love for you, because as a Jets fan, I dislike the Giants, so now I can just go back and forth. And fortunately, for me, there's a lot of ammo for the giants. Things are not as copacetic as you seem to think they are with Mr. Harbaugh there. But we'll see. By the way, you see

the video of Jackson Dart? He's flying with the unwashed masses and coach. Unlike you, he's just flying around and meeting kids and kissing babies. They love Jackson Dart. They love Harbaugh. we'll see about your giants. Final story, Colin, another NFC East team, Philadelphia Eagles, A.J. Brown. We now have a report that indicates Philly is chasing a, quote,

Quinnon Williams-type deal for A.J. Brown. I will remind you what the Jets got for Quinn and Williams. They got a second round pick in this year's draft, a first next year in what's expected to be a great draft, and a defensive tackle in Mazi Smith. I don't know if he's a starter, rotational guy. But a one, a two, and a player. Do you think AJ Brown gets anything near that?

No. I would have said no two hours ago and then the DJ Moore deal. I could say a one and a player, and he's not going to be a pro bowl player. I'll give you a one and like a number three corner. Absolutely. I'm not giving you a one, a two, and a star defensive tackle. No. He's expensive and he can be, there's maintenance.

Maintainter. That's a nice way to put it. But that's weird because DJ Moore, Again, I don't want to diminish what he's done. Like you said, he's always available. He's great. He's not much of a locker room issue guy. AJ Brown is considerably higher on any list of best receivers in the league than DJ Moore, correct?

Yeah. Moore's not a top 10. And that's not to knock him. No, DJ Moore is excellent. He's very, very good. I would say AJ Brown's a top five receiver. J. Moore is a one. But I like DJ Moore a lot.

AJ Brown is different, but you get some stuff with AJ Brown. That's okay. He's a very unique body type corners. I mean, Christian Gonzalez could line up with him because of his size and strength, the Patriots Corner. Most corners just don't, they don't match up very well with AJ Brown's size and girth and length and power. So DJ Moore is 28 turns 29 next month.

A.J. Brown, who is one of the best one-on-one receivers in the league, he's 28, turns 29 in June. So the ages are actually, you know, a few months apart. I'm starting to think AJ Brown's not going to get moved, Colin. I think the asking price is going to be too high. How he drives a hard bargain, and you know what? Hey, clean it up. Figure it out, Siriani.

Get your quarterback and your wide receiver to hang out. Get him to go to Dave and Busters and play some games and bond. Okay, well. Have you been to Dave and Busters? Yeah. In fact, I've been to Dave and Busters in Philadelphia. Yeah, I'm saying it. It's right on the, isn't it on the Delaware? It's, yeah, I believe so.

Listen, it's no Chucky Cheese, by the way, where I had like my birthday parties. First time I ever went to a Dave and Busters. I was covering a Tampa Bay Lightning Flyer series. It was great, by the way. It was a wild series. Philadelphia is a nutty hockey town. And I went to the Dave and Busters. I'd never been to a David Busters.

I thought it was pretty good. Is that where you took a girl on a date or you just went there to hang out? No, I was covering NHL hockey as a hockey insider. and I went for lunch and played video games and I liked it. Love it. There you go. J. Mack with a news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The herd line news. J. Mack, I told you, when I moved to L.A., the Dodgers weren't this good. The USC didn't have Lincoln Riley. The Chargers were down in San Diego. Lakers dumpster fire. But they were a dumpster fire. So I'm kind of good, I'm good luck for your sports team.

I moved to Chicago. Bears are out there. If they signed Max Crosby, I moved to Chicago, it's like bears are like, and I can't fix the Bulls. I got season tickets, forget it. But that bears DJ Moore. Now the Bears have a second, second round pick. That is some wheeling and dealing by Ryan Poles.

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Is it Calder on the back? Yeah, of course. Spelled correctly, too. That's a good left-fielder's number. Okay. Left-fielder, you don't have the arm for a left-fielder, bro. Well, I don't need more. I thought you were going to play second.

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They got DJ more in a fifth round pick. Okay. So to get a number one receiver. who, by the way, has worked with Joe Brady before, remember, you're not just getting a star receiver. You're getting a star receiver with Josh Allen. Okay. If Mitch Trubisky's my quarterback, I'm not giving up a second round pick. But I know that DJ Moore is going to be really productive because I got Josh Allen and an offensive coach.

So right now, the Buffalo Bills have a first round pick, a third of four, two fives, two sevens. That's fine. Their needs are all defensively. So, I mean, again, they've got tight ends, a running back, a left tackle, a quarterback, O-line's fine. Now they've got a sideline receiver, a slot receiver, and an emerging player in Keon Coleman. Who knows? Joe Brady likes him. So they're just getting clobbered.

I am much more willing to give up. A good draft pick if it is a pick that will work alongside one of my best players. So, right? Like when Rams had Aaron Donald, you knew that Vaughn Miller, though past his prime, would be successful because you have to double Aaron Donald. So I'll give up something for Von Miller, even if he's expensive and passed his prime. He ended up being on a Super Bowl team. Again, if I have a great quarterback Joe Burrow, or I have a Justin Herbert, or I have a Josh Allen,

I'm going to give up more to get a receiver or a player than that. is in his purview or in a complimentary player to his skills so dj more can beat people deep j jrallin as they move into a stadium that was constructed to allow less wind in the stadium so it's it's reasonable to think that buffalo will late in the season have more options to throw the ball down the field allen's a great deep ball thrower dj can go underneath drag seam or deep so if i get dj more and a fifth round pick, what do you think I'm going to give up? You know, I don't know. I thought a straight swap, it would be for a four.

But if I get DJ and a fifth, you know, I get it. You'd probably prefer a third, but I don't know, they still have a first and a third, and they just got a star receiver. It's also not a great wide receiver draft. There's a kid out of Arizona State. There's Carnell Tate. There's Lemon out of U.S. see it's not a great wide receiver draft.

So they're just getting clobbered. Everybody's just, they're just hating on the Buffalo Bills. And I don't think it was, I mean, Ryan Poles, I'll tell you what, he got a lot of DJ Moore. He, DJ Moore and Ryan Poles, he, you know, Ryan Poles has, has worked that player and then very well for himself. You think Buffalo got smoked, Jason. I did, yes.

So I did a quick search on the Internet. I'm going through some data here. So the Buffalo pick that goes to the Bears is pick number 60, the second round pick, right? I'm looking through pro bowlers, all pros. So I'll just rattle off some of the guys in the last 25 years who have gone in that range, 59, 60, 61, right? Ryan Khalil, first team all pro, great offensive linemen.

Maurice Jones Drew. who was one of the better running backs of his era. Vince Jackson, Vincent Jackson, wide receiver, Eddie Lacey, pretty damn good running back, Golden Tate, Alan Robinson, Martellus Bennett. Those are all very good players.

That's what I would say DJ Moore pretty much is. But when you add Moore's contract and age, I think you lean toward the cheaper second round pick. Agree or no? I mean, DJ Moore's not 34. He's a highly productive guy who I think, remember, Buffalo is desperate for a sideline receive. Yes. They need one.

Well, the Rams have a duncee. Luther Burdon. They have D.J. Moore. They have two tight ends. They have two extra running backs. Caleb Williams is highly productive with his feet. So you can say, oh, DJ Moore only had blank yards. He only had like 600 some yards for the bears.

Is it reasonable to think he will be a bigger portion of the offense? for Buffalo, the passing on. Absolutely. It's reasonable to think he's going to be kind of the missing piece. They've got a nice slot receiver. They got nice tight ends. They don't have a downfield receiver. He's going to get 12 targets a game. Yeah. So again, it's... I never... You could say we're splitting hairs. They were desperate, right? They need a receiver. I think this is a bad look for the Keyon Coleman situation when you got the owner blasting Coleman who they whiffed on in the draft. and now you get a receiver. Coleman feels like the odd man out.

But you've got your outside guy and more, your slot guy and Shakir, two tight ends. The Buffalo bill said, listen, we're not going to wait for Keon Coleman to grow up. If he does, great. We're not going to wait for him to grow up. And, you know, so I think Buffalo did fine, and I think Chicago,

because of Drew Dolman's retirement, needed a second round pick. Yeah. The Bears moving off DJ Moore, not that his body language was bad, But I felt he got frustrated last year at times because they were throwing to Colston Loveland and Luther Burden in big spots. And they were running the ball effectively. So it did feel like sometimes DJ Moore was lost.

And his body language, he'd get frustrated. But I just don't think he was that valuable. Roma Dunzee Luther Burden are ascending players, inexpensive players. Running back room is great. Tide-end room is excellent. I just don't think he's as valuable. and what's valuable is getting another second round pick to get the center. Now, you're on the ground floor there in Chicago,

but the Bears fans I have that are texting me are like, listen, Luther Burden is going to be better than DJ more. We will forget about more pretty quickly. Burden's good. Burden's twitched up. Colston Loveland. I feel like a playoff game. Was it the Packers or Rams? One of those games.

Colston just kept getting open. Might have been the Niners game late in the scene. It was the Niners game. Colston Loveland could be a pro bowler next year. Yes. So that's going to be the center. The center piece of their offense is going to be Colston Loveland. and Caleb Williams.

The run game, Ben Johnson sets that up, and that sets up everything, opens up everything. I will just say the bills are all in right now, right? They're like the Rams. We've got to maximize Josh. We've got a small window. We just fired our coach.

The Bears are building something. They got some runway here. Next four or five years, bears are going to be an elite team in the NFC. Yeah. We had Rick Petino on yesterday. And we had Mark Few on today. We've been talking some college basketballs,

we get ready for March Madness. One of the things I really appreciate, it's one thing if somebody's successful. A lot of people are successful. I'm always impressed by people like Spielberg, you know, 50 years, just putting out incredible content, Brady's winning Super Bowls in two and three decades. But, you know, I asked Rick Bettina when he came on the show yesterday, I said, you know, Roy Williams retired, Coach Kay retired, Jay Williams left. You know, a lot of the coaches just, you know, Dabo Sweeney does not like the N.I.

the late Bobby night despised one and done and i asked butino you've been doing this 50 plus years you got kentucky 30 years ago to a natty louisville uh 20 you know years and years later he got louisville now he was coach of the year how are you able to just keep the energy up going forward i think i can adjust to just about anything because you have to adjust today you you see it all the time all the sports change the coaches that don't want to change get out and i i wasn't ready to get out because i took two years off and um my golf wasn't very good uh some of the things going to the racetrack i was losing too much money so i like to keep the money in my pocket and coach basketball and he's done great for st johns they've got seven different players seven a different foreign

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