The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Right to Start Burrow, Shawn Merriman Stops By

Episode Date: November 28, 2025

Doug Gottlieb in for Colin as he explains why he was on the right side of the Joe Burrow argument this past week as the decision to play the star quarterback was met with criticism. Doug welcomes former All-Pro Linebacker Shawne Merriman onto the show to get his thoughts on Brian Schottenheimer, the Chargers and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Doug shares a story about his Green Bay Phoenix team in the Caribbean this past week. #DougGottliebShowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's the Hurd in for Colin. I'm Doug Gottlie. Welcome. Welcome. Welcome in. I hope you got a great Thanksgiving. Hope you just had a wonderful Thanksgiving. This is the first time I've had all three of my kids in Green Bay with me, and it's pretty cool. All right? Just so different. I've had each of them have spent plenty of time here in the past, but having them all kind of with me and experiencing being a kid of a coach and having them by a practice and have them with my team. Fascinating. Hope you got a chance to catch up with family.

Hope you got a chance to have a good meal and watch some football. We'll talk about sports for the next two hours. We do have Sean Merriman upcoming this hour. Lights out. We'll join us. We'll get his thoughts on what that's wrong with Lamar Jackson. I'll give my own thoughts on what's wrong with Lamar Jackson upcoming. But let's talk about the other side of that.

The Bengals took down the Ravens late last night. And we praise Joe Burrow for his. his play, but more than anything, for just playing. Here's Joe Burrow on his playing for the first time since week two. Had to knock some rest off there in the first half. So I expect myself to play better, but it was great to be back out there. I was, you know, a lot of emotions running through it at the end of the game. So it's just good to be back with the guy.

You know, anytime you can get a big win like this, it's exciting. And guys work really hard for this. You know, we are where we're at with our record. guys work really hard to go on and put on good performances on Sunday so when you're able to to do that it feels good it should feel good

it should feel good and you feel good about him being rewarded for playing when you know plenty of people in society would give him an out for not playing ah you're not going to make the playoffs they can't ever protect you're always getting hurt why would you even play

and when your coaches you know what it's says to me is two things. One, I mean, Joe Burroughs a guy, that's true leadership. Anyone can play when

you're in the playoffs or you're fighting one game to be in, like, who doesn't want to play then? But you make all that money as a quarterback to lead your team and to play hard when you don't have to play hard or to play

when you don't have to play. I'll give you the sports radio analogy. Jay Stu, you know this to be true. You know, at some people have told me before, like, morning shows are pretty well compensated, right? In local radio, it's always been morning and afternoon drive. And they'll tell you, like, a morning show isn't, you're not getting paid necessarily for talking on the radio. You're getting paid to show up every day when people want to sleep in. I mean me up, but on at six, you got to be there, you know, no later than five, five, fifteen.

And that means you got to lock in and get up at four and be alert and aware and awake and after it. They don't pay to do the show. They pay to get up. Well, the same is true at quarterback. You're not just getting paid to throw touchdown passes at the end of games. You're getting paid for everything. Every practice, every game, anytime you're available, that's what true leadership is. And it's weird.

Like we've gotten to this place to where Joe Burrow playing when he's healthy enough to play is somehow heroic when it should be what he's supposed to do. He even sounded like he felt that way, didn't he? This is more of an us problem than a him problem. It's like that Chris Rock line. Remember Chris Rock? This is like four or five comedy specials ago when he talked about, you know, guys bragging about taking care of my kids. Well, that's what you're supposed to do.

I play, I'm playing this weekend. Well, that's what you're supposed to do if you're Joe Burrow. The other part to it is that it shows you that he wants Zach Taylor to be his head coach. That's what shows me. Because if you don't want that guy to be your head coach, you don't play. And the likelihood of them losing and have a terrible record is greater. and the worst of the record, the more likely they're going to replace the coach. It's not a Jimmy Chitwood, but it's close to.

And for people who don't know the Jimmy Chitwood reference, it goes back to the movie Hoosiers. Gene Hackman's character is under pressure. He's a new coach. He's from outside of this small town. The townspeople want to get rid of him. They've already voted to get rid of him. And that's when the star player who had not yet been playing comes in and says, it's time that I start playing ball.

everybody cheers and he says hey one more thing coach goes i go coach days i play that's the jimmy chitwood and when you're the best player and the highest paid player um when he's playing and he doesn't necessarily have to he wants to it shows he wants he wants zach taylor's his head coach

one zack taylor's head coach so i mean i think i think both of those things are absolutely true that he is one i mean that's a he's a football player football players play football right it's kind of matter of fact to it and he was and i'll give you one more thing that it does you know there's there's lots to talk about us how we make the MVP a quarterback award we'll make the heisman trophy a quarterback award when reality of it is nothing says that quarterback is the most important position in the league like joe burrow who didn't play great

but simply his presence, his demeanor, his abilities. Jamar Chase has been great. Jamar Chase is great. I think Jamar Chase is the best wide receiver league, and I don't know if there's a close second. But Jamar Chase can be great, and they can still not win. Joe Burrow can be good, upgrade over older Joe Flacco, and they can still win.

Can't say that Jamar Chase. Quarterback, just a more impactful, more powerful. I'm not telling you anything I didn't know, but we do at some point getting that denial phase up, well, we're overvaluing quarterbacks. No, we're not. It literally is that important. And in order to be a leader as a quarterback, these are the things that some people don't get. To be a leader, you have to play in that game, to be a real leader.

You know, that's the thing with, I'll give you one, Cam Newton. Right. Cam Newton famously in the Super Bowl, ball was on the ground, they're down six, and he doesn't dive on it. And after the game, he was eviscerated by the press, rightfully so, because he said, I can't go get that ball. I've got to worry about my legs, my knees. In other words, his legs, his knees are more important than his team and the Super Bowl. Same thing goes for for Cam Newton what he said recently, which is, you know, on ESPN. On ESPN, he said, or maybe it was on a podcast chase two,

where he said personal success is more important because you make more money based upon on ESPN. Yeah, personal success is more important than team success because that's how you get paid. That's how everyone knows you're not really a leader. when you're about yourself more than everybody else and more than winning, everybody sees through that. Real leadership. The real stuff is what Joe Burroughs doing.

This is what Joe Burroughs do. You know, I've said this honestly about Mike Trout. Like in many ways, more impressed over the years for him going to work with the Angels when they had no hope of the playoffs than you would have Muky Betts who knows he's going to be in playoffs every year. That's way easier. Here's Cam Newton like a week and a half ago on ESPN. You would rather being a spot where you can individually achieve, have success, have statistics, and lose, or would you want to be someone that contributes to a team that can win a Super Bowl? And I'm glad you asked that. When you're talking about individual play, this is how I take care of my family.

Team success don't take care of my family. So if I'm thinking about it from a personal standpoint, of course, we want the best of both worlds. But if you're asking me, what gives you extinctions? What gives you top-tier money? What gives you certain things? There's more players that have rings, championships, and things that are struggling rather than so-unquote bust that has had money and they're doing right by their money. Yeah, no, that's not true.

that's that's actually the opposite of what the truth is but it also shows that cam newton is about cam newton which again you're allowed to be it just doesn't make you a leader of my team or most teams or quarterback and i'm not making joe burrow out to be a hero i think that's the crazy thing about our society is we've gotten into this whole idea of hey you only have to play when the playoffs are on the line like why

Huh? Doesn't work that way. It's not the way works. In radio, we don't pay you to do the radio. I pay you to show up on time every day. In being a quarterback, you can't just lead when it's convenient for you to lead. And if you're about yourself, that's not leadership. That's not leadership.

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like I'm, I know it's Friday only because yesterday was Thanksgiving, which is on a Thursday. But you love to make fun of Gen Z. I kind of think this is a

Gen X thing, right? Because our generation constantly makes fun of Gen Z for only working when they want to work. But our generation came up with many of these ideas, especially in sports, of load management

of guys missing games because they weren't going to play for a championship or weren't going to play for the playoffs. And, you know, we're hypocrites for now championing a guy for doing something that we called him stupid for doing in our own right. And my take on Gen Z has everything to do with you and me. We as parents, our generation as parents, has made Gen Z into the most entitled generation

of all time, the generation that doesn't want to stay in one job, that seems to think that work needs to be fun and you need to make friends or else it's not a job. All these things are true, but you're right. They're our fault. And the current system in place right now for sports was created by coaches of our generation. So the whole load management thing, that's why this is an interesting human experiment, especially on how sports are covered. Because you know this week that there were people who have been crying about load management for many years who also said,

why are the Bengals playing Joe Burrow? Why put them in that place? and there's a huge contradiction there. Totally agree. Totally agree. And it's the weirdest thing. It's literally the same people. The same people.

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and the players-era tournament or whatever that's called, it's so interesting, right? Because as it was built, it was built to fans as every team got a million dollars. Oh, it's a million dollars for our NIL. And then you look at the fine print. You're like, yeah, most of the teams actually lose money going there. They have to buy tickets. And the only ones making the real money are the ones they get to the semifinals and finals.

But even those, it's not based just if you win and lose. It's on point differential. It's anytime something's too good to be true, it probably is. It is. We'll talk more about that a little bit later on in the show. Let's get back to the NFL with a former NFL great, former Charger Great. She's founder of Lights Out Extreme Fighting. Of course, his next fight card is December 6th.

Lights Out 29 in Long Beach. You can get tickets at Lightsout XF.com. Catch it live on Lights Out Sports app. He's the one of known. only Sean Merriman. He joins me now in the herd on Fox Sports Radio. Sean, let me ask you about the Cowboys and their win yesterday. When the Cowboys trade away Michael Parsons and coming off a disappointing year and looking at their defense and a new head coach and Brian Chottheimer

that not a lot of people were fired up about, before the season, what did you think of the Cowboys? Yeah, well, you always felt the same. And, you know, just kind of for more information, I mean, Brian Schontenheimer was on the staff they were able to charge when I played there. And I said from the beginning, I thought that they made a great decision

and keeping them in house and not having DAC to start over with a new offensive coordinator, new system. I mean, that was a, that was a Dak Prescott keep Fort Head Coach, right? I thought it was smart. Yes, yes, yes, keep your quarterback happy. It doesn't have to learn new system,

doesn't have to learn new language. But I would be honest with you. I didn't think they would be anywhere near 500, let alone above 500, did you? Yeah, I did. And, you know, the biggest thing is, especially when they traded away Micah. I mean, Micah is balling out of control right now.

But, you know, long-term, I think it may be the most benefit to the Cowboys with the draft picks they got in Clinton and all these new guys that are going to have in the future. And by the way, you can trade away some of those drive-picks and get more guys, so you're building the entire team. So, you know, right now, for the instant, it's a loss for the Cowboys that Michael left. But long term, I think the Cowboys going to win that trade.

I think I tend to agree with you. I mean, again, obviously we'll see, but we'll see, right? Because you trade for Clark and he goes down, and you can only hope that it's because of the money that they could probably win that trade. What about the Packers? why have they changed so dramatically it feels like? I watched the Eagles game and very conservative.

I watched yesterday and not conservative, has been conservative. What's changed with the floor? They, you know, sometimes, and a lot of your former players can agree with this. These coaches' butts get tight, man. When things get on the line, I mean, they do uncharacteristic things. They start getting more stricter around the building. They start getting more conservative in a play call, and that's not how you're going to win if you're the Green Bay Pass.

hackers. And it showed exactly, you know, the last game they had, you know, against Detroit, that you have to open up that playbook. You have to do things to go out and put your team in a position of win because you're not going to get ahead of being conservative. And I think that they just got really, not only conservative on the field, but conservative in the building. A lot of coaches tend to do that when things are on the line. Okay. Let me ask you about Joe Burrow. What's it mean to a team in the locker room when your quarterback returns, even though it feels like the playoffs are lost for the year? They send a great message because you know what happens is if Joe Burrow sits the rest of the

season, you're basically telling everybody else in the locker room that you're done. And so now you've got to go out and play for all this stuff that don't matter. Pride and ego and, you know, just things that don't really matter because now guys are going to be looking at doing everything to stay healthy, right? You're not going to see them dying for the ball or make risky tackles or go the extra mile. And what they send the locker room is, we're not tanking. We're in this thing to finish up the season as strong as possible.

And exactly what Joe Burrell said, he loves to play the game of football. There's no way. And by the way, they went to him. They went to him, asked him if he wanted to sit. He's the one that said no, that he wanted to play. And that's what you want out of your quarterback in the locker room. No question about it. Let's talk about the losing team.

Sean Merriman, former rookie of the year, former pro-bowler, All-Pro, and the National Football League joins us here. on Fox Sports Radio. I'm Doug Gottliebilling in for Colin. The Chiefs, what's gone so wrong for them? Well, first and football, to me, everybody jumped off to bandwagon with the Chiefs the first couple games of the year, especially when my former Chargers had beat them out in Brazil the first game a year. But the Chiefs are always going to put themselves in contention, whether they're the dominant or not. They still got Pastor Mahomes here. They still got Travis Kelsey. They still got, you know, young wire receivers that can go out there and make plays. But there's just not as dominant.

as they once were. And because we're so used to seeing them beat so many people decisively that they're going to, everybody's jumping off the bandwagon. But they're just not the same team as they once were. And a lot of those guys, Travis Kelsey included, you know, getting up there in age, whether he comes back for another year or so is on a table. But they're just not as good as they once were. I would say dominant.

Because, you know, when you say good and people assume that they're not a good team, which they are. but you have to give credit to the Dallas Cowboys and not really kick the cheese, but more credit to Dallas. Okay. Why isn't Lamar Jackson playing better? Well, I mean, well, first of all, you can't win. I think they have four or five turnovers.

And when you have that, I don't care who's their quarterback. It's very difficult to go out and sustain those kind of mistakes. Also, you know, they had a lot of downtime when Lamar wasn't there. and we've seen exactly what Lamar Jackson means that team. And I was one of the ones like, man, no quarterback deserves 40, 50, 60 plus million a year. And I was absolutely wrong. That is not the same team without him on the field. He's such, you know, he's so dangerous both with his legs and throwing a football

that we've seen that they cannot operate without Lamar Jackson. When you miss that much time, you get back on the field, you're trying to get back in the groove of things. But it's just, it's really too late at this point in the season for that to happen. Okay, we've gone through two of the teams that are disappointing, Lions. You know, you lose your coordinators. They're still good, but it feels like the magic isn't there. What's missing with the Lions? Yeah, that was a big hit.

And when you start talking about teams running NFL in general and windows closing when you got an opportunity, because those coordinators are going to go. Your offensive coordinator, defense is a coordinator, somebody's going to go. Somebody in the front office, your assistant GM is going to be a GM somewhere else. And I'm not saying that not good, but there's no way to just turn that thing around with that many pieces missing. And also, Dan Campbell taking over the offensive play calling. I think he should have done that before the season started. I think they waited too late to make that change.

Okay, Chargers Raiders this weekend, obviously different than when you played for the Chargers, but still you have a ton of insight, especially into the bolts. they've been ravaged by injuries but then they get a big win at home followed up with a dud on the road beat the Steelers loose the jags but then they have a by week to get themselves right best guess on what it looks like with the Chargers

at home against the Silver and Black this weekend yeah this by week couldn't come at a better time for them not just health-wise but just a reset button and you know I think more catastrophic things than having to one team maybe an NFL history where you have a Sean Slater go down for the year before the season start, arguably probably the best tackle in football.

You got Joe Alt, who got moved to the left side, he goes down for the year, Mariongues, Nogh goes down, Naji Harris, Kalil Mack, down for weeks. I mean, they were decimated and they found a way to still put themselves in position, which is very hard to do. Now, what they have to do is stay consistent, right? You can't have a game like Jacksonville and then, you know, come back, and now you're just total different team. You have to stay consistent in the rest of the season.

But health was, and I'm not making excuses, but health was such a big factor with these guys and what the position they are now. No question about it. I mean, there's just, there's no way around it. They haven't been healthy, and it did catch up to them. Doug Gottlieven for Colin is the hurt. Sean Merriman is our guest. Okay, your next fight card is, what is it? It's a week from tomorrow night?

Is it no, it's on the sixth, right? Yeah. It's a week from Saturday night in Long Beach lights out 29. What's the card look like? Yeah, we got 16 fights lined up also. We got a big, big broadcasting deal we're going to announce here for Latin America sometime next week. You know, just the growth we've had in this year. And then next week is one of our biggest cars.

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No, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the Heard Line News. Hey Doug. The Egg Bowl is on right now. Mississippi State, Ole Miss. The last we checked in an hour ago, it was 14 to 7. 21 points were scored in the first five or six minutes of this game.

It's still 14 to 7. There's been a little bit of violence on the field. They had to stop play after a fumble and a scrum and some violence, typical rivalry week. but maybe the fight had something to do with Lane Kiffin and his exchange with ESPN's Marty Smith before the game. Smith asked Kiffin just to kind of sum up this rivalry and Lane went here.

Well, you can hear these fans already out here and so this will be a great game today. It's a very passionate rivalry. I mean, shoot at 10 o'clock last night. Luckily, our great Ken Crane, our equipment, manager, put cameras, secret cameras, locker room so we could watch Mississippi State break into our locker room and start stealing things. We reported to Mississippi State.

They said, we'll put security. And how about this? At 3 o'clock in the morning, they break in again and take Trinidad's jersey. So I guess you expect nothing less from these people. Now, what goes into this, Doug? Have you ever had your equipment guy put a camera in the visiting locker room to see a event of the thieves coming? No.

But this is the rivalry game where was the last coach of Mississippi State or was it O'Miss where the kid in the end zone did the dog peeing on something and that was a bad luck. This is not the most class-filled rivalry. I mean, listen, credit to the camera putting cameras in the locker room. But that footage, it's like body cam footage. We got to see it. Got to expose them on social media. I'm trying to think of the, what was the old show about breaking into the rivals campus and stealing an animal or something? Well, there's lots of them, but I mean, I think the most famous one in my childhood was Fast Times-Rigman High.

That's right. When they pretended to, it was Roosevelt was the guy's name, right? Yeah. I thought they just flew him in on the weekends. Yeah. But they crashed his car and they spray painted on it and said it was the yard trial. that did it and then he destroyed the football team. My brother is going to do this and he's going to kill us.

Which one is he going to do? Is he going to do that? Is he going to kill us? He's got an amazing set of tools. So Colt's quarterback, Daniel Jones, was initially on the injury report this week for a calf injury. But CBS's Tracy Wolfson is reporting that Jones is in fact dealing with a fibula injury, a fracture in his fibula.

he's not expected to miss any time. Now, this combines a couple things that you really like. You really like the anatomy. And you, up until recently, really enjoyed watching people break bones. So what do you think of Daniel Jones playing with a fracture and his fibula? Okay, well, there's a lot to it. Okay. You're talking about, I don't enjoy people breaking bones,

but I am the type person that if there's a grass, I'm not a look away guy. I'm a I got to see that again guy. Now we had one of those really, really graphic injuries, and I definitely feel differently about it, having seen one up close and personal. Are you like, ooh? Because it can't be unseen when you see it in person.

It just can't. Or in photos even. But I think it's interesting, right? Like the misdiagnosis. And when you hear fibula fracture, like, wait, he's got a broken leg and he's playing. It's like, yeah, yeah. I'd have to have it explained to me, but I'm guessing it's some part of non-wearing, non-weight-bearing part of the bone.

But Daniel Jones has gone from, like, the most maligned starting quarterback in the NFL last year with the Giants to this, like, heroic, like, canonized figure. Now he's playing on a broken leg, leading the Colts to the playoffs. And oh yeah, by the way, Colts fans want to give him new contract because he's a dude. What an amazing turnaround for Daniel Jones. No, it's been one of the stories of the year. And you must admit, the past month or so, he's kind of regressed a little bit. The turnovers are coming more as we've seen him in his career.

And he's literally playing for his next contract. The Colts seem to be the team that might be willing to give him that contract. So playing through an energy, I think, speaks a lot here. And also, when you're talking about, like, Daniel Jones and the Colts being one of the best stories of the year, you have to talk about Jonathan Taylor's impact on this team and what a dynamic running back can do to someone's career who has seemingly kind of turned things around. Sure. Sure. No, I mean, you know, it saves his career saving year for, not just for him, for general manager. and for coach, all of them.

Like Shane Seichen's been a great play caller going back to his days with the Chargers when he took over there, but he's being recognized as such because no one can believe that Daniel Jones was this good. They kind of ironically referred to Danny as Danny Dimes. And then this year, when he seemed legit,

he was changed to Danny Dollars. I prefer Indiana Jones. but with a little bit of regression, I'm going to change the nickname this week to Danny 50 centpiece. That's going to be his nickname for this week and see how he does with that. Now, a game that's on the schedule today, and it does sound foreign, but at the same time, it seems like we've had a Black Friday NFL game our entire lives.

But no, this is the third installment of a Black Friday NFL game. It actually starts at, what, 3 p.m. Eastern here, just getting on the way in the 90 minutes. Caleb Williams and the Bears visit the Eagles. I think it's law now. The legislation passed the law. You have to talk about the Bears and Caleb Williams in this time space on this show. One thing you probably didn't know, or maybe our listeners didn't know, is that Caleb Williams has not had a 300-plus yard game this season.

Eagles have been giving up a lot of yards in the air of recent games. so they're thinking maybe Caleb will put his best performance up there. They are getting seven points in Philly. How do you see this? I have no idea. Again, I have no idea because the level of competition the bears have played has not been that of the Eagles. On the other hand, that I think sometimes we view the Eagles as better than they actually are.

If I'm a betting man, especially if I can get a half point. I mean, the Eagles feels like every game is close. I mean, think about it. Here's their wins this year. 24-20, 20-17, 33-26, 3125, 28-22. The Giants were the only team they blew out, 38-20. That's after losing the Giants on the road. Beat the Packers by 3, 10, to 7, beat the Lions 16-9.

So if I'm a betting man, I have no idea how good the Bears actually are, but I have no confidence in the Eagles' ability to put more than a touchdown between them and anyone competitively in the NFL. I'm going to take the points and take the bears. Of the many things that Cowherd has said about the bears this year, one of them is this team comes from behind. So the Eagles tend to punch you in the mouth early, and they'll let you come back.

And then the bears finish off games. They're winning all the close games at the last couple minutes. So if it's close late, advantage bears, I will say. And that's the heard-line news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. Every guy hits that moment.

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Weren't she in the U.S. Virgin Islands? The answer is yes. Yes. Yes, you are. And, you know, I think what people don't understand is how tricky scheduling is. I've always been a bit of a scheduling kind of fanatic, if you will, in that. I mean, you know, take the bears. Like, yes, the bears are 8 and 3, and they're taking on the Eagles.

The Eagles have played a far more difficult schedule. So it's really hard to tell how good the bears are, how good the Eagles are. College sports, even more so. Right. In addition to not knowing who you have and most everybody, at least in basketball, having a new team, we have 10 new players. Right? 10 new players.

In addition to having a new team, you know, you don't know who's healthy. You haven't figured out kind of your rotations. And you're playing, you know, I'll just give you an example. In our league, in the Horizon League, Oakland's record is like 2 in 6 or 2 in 7. But they've literally played like four of the best teams in the country. We went down to the Virgin Islands with only one win. But our losses were to Kansas on the road, Buffalo who's undefeated on the road, Minnesota, St. Thomas was going to win the Summit League.

Like, well, we played four really good teams. We didn't play well against St. Thomas. Played well against Minnesota. Didn't play well against Kansas. But it's hard to tell. But these things can be really good or can go really bad. Right? Really good.

If you win a couple of games and you're in warmer weather and, you know, your boosters around, it can be one that really unites you. It can go really bad with you're around the boosters. And when you lose, especially, you know, at least one team in these eight team events goes 0 and 3. And you go 0 and 3, it's not just that you go 1 3 and hurt your confidence and hurts your ability to relate to guys and say like, hey, because they'll lack confidence in what you're doing.

They'll be like, well, we're not winning, so you don't know what you're doing, even if they're not the ones doing what you want them to do. But then you have your donors, your president, your AD, they're all around as well and when things go bad nobody's happy and instead of a uniting trip it can be a dividing trip

it's like a fascinating kind of subset subculture of the culture that is college basketball so yeah we went to St. Thomas it is a long trip J-Steu but it was a man and it helped that we won a couple games and we played much better

it was a long trip long imagine doing that trip and not playing as well as you have. Oh, my gosh. I can't imagine. I can't imagine. What a difference a year makes, by the way. And, you know, everything I'm about to say, Doug can't say it. So I'm going to say it. A year ago, Doug was getting kicked in the teeth on a daily basis on social media. Neither Doug nor I had any idea the number of people out there just waiting for him to fail in some regard. It was interesting theater, and I felt bad.

And they've been deftfully silent. Each of you that stood in line to kick Doug in the teeth a year ago, you owe it to yourselves and your own dignity to put something on social media right now that says maybe I was wrong. I'm not saying Doug's going to win 20 games. I'm just saying that he has turned things around and it's a great college basketball story right now. Well, I'm not willing to go there yet. again, I know we're doing the right things. I know we're going to be better, and then eventually we'll get this thing where it's supposed to be.

And I appreciate it. But it's just, you are right. It's just, I mean, you know. It also, I also understand how so many of these other coaches, you know, when you, first years for anybody is hard. We played Iona, their coaches in their first year. And they've had some success. And, but it's still, it's your first year. Everything is new, especially when you come to the college game.

And even for guys have been doing this for 30, 40 years, this is a new way of doing something they've been doing for a long time. And so, you know, every part of your medal is going to be tested. But, yeah, what a difference a year makes? What a difference a week and a half makes? Or two weeks makes. And then you can just see it. in your players' eyes. Like you can't concern yourself with

fans because they don't know, but you can see it in the player's eyes. And like, all it takes is a win or two, and they start to go like, you know, this might actually work. Not that they didn't believe previously. But, I mean, here's one thing, Jason, that I thought and or I knew to be true,

but it's been completely confirmed in the last week and a half. is confidence is kind of everything for athletes. And I had a player's name's Justin Allen. He's a Division III transfer from Carnegie Mellon. So he turned down a Carnegie Mellon degree to come play basketball for me. He's a wonderful kid. But through exhibition games, he was so nervous.

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