The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Rodgers Trade Soon?

Episode Date: April 24, 2023

Colin Cowherd tells you where he was right and where he was wrong, has more thoughts on the Warriors - Kings playoff series, and talks about the Jets and Packers re-engaging conversations on an Aaron Rodgers deal.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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NFL draft week, so exciting. The NFL allows you, unlike other sports. In the NBA, your draft an 18, 19-year-old. kids in baseball, you know, you go to the minor leagues. But in football, you can't go to pro sports until you've served at least three years in college football. Most guys play four. So you get a grown-up, a 22, a 23-year-old. So if you're the Jets and you nail your first four picks, the Jets were a circus, and then after last year's draft, you're like, oh, they found a star corner and a star back. You know, you start, oh, a star edge rusher. It's amazing. The Seahawks found a star

corner, a star left tackle, a star back, a star edge. It's amazing what the draft can do. Most of our professional sports, the building process from bad to good takes years. You can turn it around if you nail a draft. I mean, the Jets, if they sign Aaron Rogers and get at least a capable left tackle, they will be able because of last year's draft and the year before with Joe Douglas. And they whiffed on a quarterback and a left tackle. If Aaron's in, and they get a good left tackle, they can go toe to toe to toe with anybody. I don't think they're going to beat Kansas City in a playoff game, but they could go toe to toe to toe to with Buffalo.

This team was a mess last year, a mess. You nail one draft, it changes everything. Seattle and the Jets are great examples. They were kind of lost at sea. Seattle makes the playoffs. Green Bay wants to get rid of Aaron Rogers. He goes to the Jets. If they get a left tackle and one more weapon,

that's a playoff level. roster. So this is very exciting. You can't do that in baseball in a year. You can't do it in the NBA in a year. I mean, we love Cleveland. They've nailed some draft picks. It's been like a three-year rebuild process and they're getting rolled by the Knicks who have one legitimate, you know, consistent score. So it just takes longer in other sports. J. Mack joining me. God, this has been so much fun. This is one of my favorite weeks of the year. NBA playoffs, NFL draft. One of my favorite weeks. Lakers tonight. I'm sure we'll talk about maybe a way to wager on the game later.

You had a great nugget earlier about the Gris as road dogs. They're 0 and 15 this year. Again, the guy at the bar that's loudest is overcompensating for something. Chirp, chirp, chirk, chirk. Sacramento doesn't chirp. Sacramento's very quiet, and they're giving a dynasty all they can handle. Have you seen the video of what LeBron said to Dylan Brooks before game three? Remember he went over quietly?

I guess some people isolated the audio. LeBron just undressed him. in such a nice, kind manner quietly for like 15 seconds. And then Brooks went out, had an awful game, and hit LeBron below the belt. Got in his head. Here we go. Colin Wright, Colin wrong, plenty of both. Where Colin was right.

John Morant returns for game three. Shocker. They get rolled. I've said before, I know he's a great player, but they've only won one game in the series when Jod didn't play. The Lakers' best quarters, the third quarter, in game one. and the first quarter this weekend, or Friday, this weekend, Jaws on the floor. So, you know, my takeaway is they're better defensively,

the better spacing, there's less gawking and staring at Jahn-Mor-N-G-Gent. Again, I don't doubt his talent, 45 points. He can play downhill. He is fantastic to watch. But the one game he's played, there you go, they've lost, and I think the franchise feels like J-J-a-a-l little erratic. where Colin was wrong. You know what? I didn't think the Warriors, I thought they were in big trouble

without Dramon Green for game three, and it was actually their best game and their best defensive game. I was shocked by that. So Gary Payton didn't play, and Dremon didn't play, and they put up an outstanding defensive effort. That goes to show you

when Dynasties are backed in a corner and they ask something of their non-stars, the culture is so good with the Warriors. They overcome and guys play over their skis. But that took me by surprise, that defensive effort without Gary Payton and Draymond Green. Where Colin was right? Said this all year. You got to move off Kauai Leonard.

This is year four. He's not getting younger. He's not going to suddenly become verbal and engaging. There's a tipping point with every crisis. And I think we reached it. I left the show last week. and I went to Twitter and it said, game three, Kauai won't play.

Yeah, it's over. Steve Ballmer saw that. You know he was ticked off. Again, there is not only a talent level you have to have or maintain to be a number one. There's a personality profile. You've got to be dependable. Kauai Leonard simply isn't.

Where Colin was wrong. The real surprise to me in the first round is the Knicks have unraveled the calves. They've taken them totally out of their offense. They're shooting now 43.5. 44% is Cleveland. They shot 48% for the regular season. The Cavs averaged 112 a game.

They have only scored over 100 points once in four games. So the Knicks are pushing around this young team, winning the glass, winning on effort, and Cleveland right now is flailing. Where Colin was right? I never got the C.J. Stroud number one pick thing. I just don't see the Jews. Ohio State quarterbacks have a lousy track record. What is he great at?

He has a good arm, not great. The S2 score is apparently troubling and low. A lot of what Ohio State does is five-star receivers, great old lines, a lot of protection and predetermined routes. I think he's a first-round quarterback. I think he's worth taking a first-round pick on, but the idea of moving up to get C.J. Stroud or a number one pick, I just do not see it.

I don't see the great. I see capable, I mean, again, go back to Dwayne Haskins numbers in college. He lit it up. Ohio State, this is not the SEC. Ohio State is so athletically better than everybody they play all year except Michigan. Sometimes it can skew quarterback statistics. Where Colin was wrong. I didn't trust the Sixers this season.

I said, situationally, I've got my issues. Brooklyn ran out of gas. But you know what? Tyrese Maxie feels like he's emerged as a lot. a more dependable number two. Hardin's not going to get to the free throw line as much in the playoffs, but he doled out a bunch of assists in game four, and they can do it with MBEED or not.

They are certainly a worthy adversary, a sweep. They didn't stumble, played good at home, played good on the road, played good with Embed when he's hurt. My wrong. Where Colin was right? USC's Lincoln Riley, from 4 and 8 to 11 and 3 in one year, I've said he's the best offensive head coach in a sport that has pivoted to offense. This weekend, they received a verbal commitment transfer portal, more than a verbal commitment

from the best defensive lineman in the country. Last year he overhauled the offense. This offseason, he's completely overhauled the defense with NFL prototypes. Lincoln Riley rolling as a head coach, 11 wins, five straight years. fan, get over it. USC took your coach. You hired a coach not as good. Where Colin was wrong.

Pro football talk is on this Aaron Rogers to the Niners story, and I don't get it. How do they afford him? He wants to be a one, and it sounds like Aaron wants to play one more year. Niners have Brock Purdy, who gives you a lot of what Aaron Rogers does in terms of cognitive ability accurately can complete the football, and he's essentially for free. If you want to keep this roster intact, I don't know how you do it with a $50 million quarterback. I know Aaron's from the Bay Area, but this story just will so.

But Aaron Rogers-Niners talk continues on. And with that, we bring on my friend covering the NBA for almost now 30 years. Rick Buecker got his podcast on the ball. with Rick Buechard. Thank you for the promo. Watching the Warriors and the Kings, it really does feel like, I said this earlier,

a couple years ago in the divisional round, the Chiefs played the Bills. Mahomes and Allen had seven touchdown, no picks, 700 yards, and you're like, what a bummer. They can't play again next week. I'm watching this series,

and I feel like I'm watching the Western Conference Finals. The intensity in the skill levels, to me, is remarkable. It's certainly a bummer. of a first round matchup and even the chess match going on between the two coaches and the

rosters is. I put it out on Twitter. I'm good with making this a best of 13 and then advancing both teams and just letting the Grizzlies and Lakers go home. Because as much drama as that series has,

the level of basketball is not nearly at what we're seeing in this series. You know, Deerrin Fox And I understand this because part of what makes the NBA great, and I love this, is the aesthetic. In football, win the games. Nobody cares that Brady wasn't an athlete. Win the games.

Basketball's different. Dr. Jay, I grew up with World Be Free. Guys downtown Freddie Brown, your style, we didn't care if you always won titles. If you had credibility, if you were fun, if you were unique, that was good. Sure. And Deerrin Fox doesn't have the vertical, dynamic vertical ability of John Morant. He's not as fast as John Wall. I watch his game. It is so smooth. It is so slick. It is so smart. His temperament. I think we're, we just don't watch Sacramento. It's small market. It's West Coast. This kid, to me, feels like a top 10 player in the league. He is certainly putting himself in that conversation. but I would say that he has grown up an awful lot.

Nothing has happened better to him than Mike Brown coming in and challenging him. I talked to a scout who was big on Deerrin when he came into the league because he thought he was going to be a two-way player, as we're seeing in this series. And whether it was Sacramento losing, the constant changes, getting paid, whatever it was, he kind of fell off that. It felt like he got starry-eyed with his own. success and he's come back around and he's now showing you

what he's capable of. You hit a great point and I think the most important thing you said was smart. John Morant and the Memphis Grizzlies as comparison are not playing smart by they're playing young and I just at this is their third

consecutive run together in the playoffs. I expect, look, you can play up and down and play a little crazy during the regular season. You get to the postseason and it's about playing smart intelligently. And they're doing none of that. They're playing wilder in the postseason

than they did in the regular season. And it's why the first quarter happened the way it happened in this last game. And John Morant was front and center. Maybe the most pointless, meaningless 45 points I have ever seen in a playoff game. And especially getting it late, like everybody's like, wow, look at what he did.

And I guarantee you, LeBron and AD were complimenting him because they would love to see more of that. Run the team and get me meaningful points. I would rather have that team organized in the first quarter and settling them down than going for 25 in the fourth quarter in a game that's already been decided. If you go back to Coe, I don't have it obviously in front of me, but Kobe's record when he scored like 40 or more for the Lakers, it usually was a bad sign. Yeah. is that even Michael Jordan had like a level, 32, 33, and then it was too much Michael Jordan, too many shots. You're taking away Kookech Pippen.

So I'm never blown away. When you're somebody scoring 45, if it's a big guy with a physical mismatch, then I get it. If it's a guard, you're usually shooting too much, and you have too much of the ball in your hands. And it's the 40-point games where you don't notice that they're scoring, because they're just getting it all along the way. And then they hit a couple buckets at the end, and you're like, wow,

they- It doesn't feel like I got 32. That's a great player. So I want to talk about this. So the Warriors, one of the things they do very well, they're the great tweakers. And they did it last year in the finals. You know, outside of the KD first year, it's never been easy. They've had to overcome injuries, good teams, suspensions.

They put Draymond on on Deeran Fox, and it did slow him down. Yep. Is that going to be their new recipe? I think they're going to continue to mix and match. You pointed out that Deeran is a smart player. I do think that Dramon's ability to use his length and play angles is what made that different. They had Wiggins, Andrew Wiggins on him early on. And Wiggins is just, he's going to defend you with his physical ability.

He's long and athletic, but he's also, he just plays it a different way. Draymond just plays a smarter defensive game and it threw Dierron off. But I don't think you give him a steady diet of anything. I think you continue to give him different looks. Little Peyton, a little Wiggins, a little Draymond. What's different is, and this points to the vulnerability of the warriors and how good the kings are, is I've never seen Steve Kerr have to make this many adjustments this early in the playoffs.

He is having to, like, manipulate his roster and who he's playing. Like, he gave Jonathan Caminga about three minutes. It was a disaster. I doubt, I would be surprised if you saw Cominga in the game in Sacramento. I know, Moses Moody got five first quarter minutes. He's moving toward his veterans earlier than he ever has. And the next guy that's off the boat or out of the rotation or limited is probably going to be Jordan Poole.

Because for as many points as he scored. He's too loose. He's just, he's a train wreck defensively. And it's just he's unreliable. And the way the warriors are going to win this series if they win it is old dudes. is old dudes and just being consistent and not turning the ball over. Well, we always felt with the Warriors this year. It was always the bridge year.

Are the young guys ready because the old guys need to play less? And we saw it didn't work. Right. Now, I will say the last four or five regular season games, comminga, I thought, came into his own a little bit. But I was telling a friend this who likes Jordan Poole. I'm like, Jordan Poole is what he is. All this one-handed stuff, this loose.

he's always on the floor. At some point, as a parent, you come to terms with what your kids are. You're hoping there's something. They're not something. And then at some point, you're like, yeah, my kids are not going to be this, this. With Jordan Poole, it's been long enough. Okay. This is who he is.

Yeah. Well, now that he's paid, too. I mean, as a parent, when are you going to get the best out of your kids when you're trying to get them to learn a lesson before you give them their allowance? once they get their allowance. Or the car. Yeah, it's another week or two before we got any chance of corraling that.

Okay. So very rarely, I thought, you know, Memphis is trying to get under LeBron's skin. And I'm like, guys, there's a lot of people that you can get under their skin. The all-time scoring leader who's been in the league 20 years, that would be like going to Kareem in his 20th year. Yeah, I'm going to poke you in the ribs.

I'm going to rattle you, Kareem. Like, it's too exhausting. Yeah. Who do I blame for this? Like you said something earlier. This is the third year of Memphis in the playoffs. And they're still immature. Yep.

So to me, I feel like Sacramento is a player away, not even a great player. A good player away from going on a three or four year run with a title. I think Memphis is two stars away. I don't think they're close. Like what do you do with Memphis going for? They're not winning that thing tonight. I need to get some veterans in that locker room. grownups.

And grown-ups, and grown-ups ideally who have some playoff success, have been to the finals, have won a championship, something like that, because that is missing. And Hal Horford, if he was available in three years younger. Yeah, maybe a Mike Conley. Although you probably need a little more of a dynamic personality to get through to those guys at this point. To answer your question, I blame GM Zach Kleiman and I blame head coach Taylor Johnson. Jenkins. Because I've been around that team some this year and the players run the show. And

there's no it seems there's no accountability. You're going, it's not just that you're trying to rattle the cage of LeBron James. You're trying to rattle the cage of LeBron James with Dylan Brooks in

the first game being played, playoff game, being played in by the Lakers in L.A. Since God knows when. The crowd was just off. They were off the chain. Yes.

And of course you were going to get that. So then you wave the red meat of Dylan Brooks. I mean, what did you expect? I'm saying it's just a bad game plan. I've talked to NFL coaches on this and you're like, you're two series into it and you're like, yep, game plan's bad. It's not working. This isn't working. You cannot rattle a veteran star.

Yeah. You don't. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's just really hard. The team that has won every game so far hasn't been the more talented team. I said from the beginning, Memphis was going to decide this series. I can make a case where pure talent, Memphis has more talent, even missing some of the bigs.

But the team that played the smarter, more intelligent game, as they did when they won, is the team that won. And I see no indication that the Grizzlies have learned from their mistakes and understand. understand that. And Jod doing what he did at the end of game four was only more proof to me that they don't have a collective game plan on how to approach this. You know, I will say this. When you look at the Knicks roster, Jalen Brunson, and I, Jalen is just your classic Villanova guy. Comes out of college, he's 23 going on 43. He's a total adult. Son of a coach and a player. Yeah. So Jalen Brunson is what the Knicks need. New York can overwhelm you. It has overwhelmed

people. If you look at the people that have starred in New York, Eli-Manning, Derek Jeter, Aaron Judge, Jalen Brunson, really mature for their age, often like somebody in their family in sports. Because New York, the women are beautiful, there's a lot of money, there's a lot

to do, the media. A lot of distractions. A lot of distractions. And if you look at the Jeter's and the judges, and I mean, we saw that Mets team unravel, the legendary Mets team. Like, you can get in trouble in New York fast. Sure. And I watched this kid, and I'm like, you know, I barely remember Walt Frazier.

But I look at him and I think, they stole their modern day Walt Frazier. Now, Walt was a much better defensive player. But if you look at it, I feel like for all the nonsense with the Knicks through the years. Yeah. Once you get the point guard right, everything kind of falls into place. Yeah. The intelligence of Jalen Brunson has... Again, on display.

Without question. And it's made the difference. And this is the thing I think people don't understand about the playoffs is that it's not about playing at the rim. It's your ground game. That is where everything is done. And his ability to understand space and timing and change a speed, change a direction, and organizing the team.

And seizing the moment, understanding the moment, when he needs to score and how has been huge. Now, I will say one of the things that the Knicks have collectively that has given them a huge advantage is just the size and length. Oh, God, they're long. Guards in particular. Yeah. That's created a problem.

Josh Hart is giving Donovan Mitchell everything he can handle. And Donovan Mitchell's the flip side. You saw it from Darius Garland. Darius Garland can go toe to toe with Jalen Brunson in terms of organizing a team, getting his own. Donovan Mitchell is a pure freelancer. Yeah. Which works during the regular season.

A little Westbrooky. Does not work in the postseason. And what you saw in Utah is you're seeing all over again in Cleveland. All right. Let's go to, I've said this, is that generally stars, if they don't succeed in the playoffs, you can blame the coach or the bench, the construction of the roster. The Clippers, to me, are the opposite. I love everything.

Kauai is holding them back. And the other day, I don't know if you were on, but it was game three. I drove home. I turned on social media. And it said, Kauai out game three. And I thought Steve Balmer's done.

Yeah. Like, this is they. We've seen that Kauai Leonard out a thousand times. Yep. That one's like, oh, you just stole a game in Phoenix. Yep. You're going to shock the world. They have to move off this, right?

Well, initially, I thought they were, they were, they were not playing him in game three because they got the split. And you had the Thursday night game and then you had an early start on Saturday. And after all the minutes that he'd played in the first two games, I'm thinking if they're going to give him, if they're going to load manage here, do it with game three and then come back and win game four because the turnaround was going to make it tough. You ran a greater risk of injury. If he plays Thursday night, he has to play 40 minutes plus and then you try to play him

Saturday. That's what I thought. When he missed game four, that's when I said, oh, this is more than that. This is the problem that Steve Palmer faces is he's about to go into a new arena. And you need to be able to sell tickets. And I know from the outside perspective, well, if Kauai's not available, is he really a star? You know, has this star, as the star presence of Paul George and Kauai really made it's made you feel it in LA it's still bigger than

anything else they have so unless he's going to find another show pony essentially I would see and keep in mind Kauai has one more year on this deal next season and then he has a player option

so I would expect that you will see them back next year and see how it goes It's been a bad investment now. Well, without question. And this is the thing that Steve did that I've seen so many new owners do. They try to buy their way to a championship.

Well, Phoenix has their guy bought KD. They come in and they want to reinvent the wheel. I've seen Mark Cuban was the first one that did it over the top. And then he realized, oh, wait, there's a reason people run this business the way that they do. And they get smarter along the way. and then they understand. You can't just buy pieces. You have to build a team.

And that takes a lot more insight than just money. All right. By the way, you said a word earlier on the show. Shloid. Right? I heard it too. I don't know what that means. I looked it up.

I don't like there's somebody on social media who calls themselves Shloid and they're a professional slacker, but I had no idea. And I'm sort of an etymologist. We both, we all like words, right? Yeah. I was fascinated.

Where did you? I just years ago, somebody I knew used to use that word. If something was messed up, instead of the more vile or FCC non-available word, I just say, it's kind of a schloid. I mean, it's just all messed up. Cool. Nothing's going right. It's just, maybe I made a word up.

Webster's is going to have. It's going to give you credit for that. The proudest moment in my life will be if Webster says, they introduce like nine words a year. Yeah. Isn't ain't in there now? I can't get Schloid. I'm sure it is. You just something's all messed up and you can't, like, you go to vacation and it rains and the,

I showed up once on a vacation in San Diego. Eight people. They didn't have any rooms. That was a Schloid. I can say right now, my wife was not happy. No doubt. No doubt. Let's see.

Is there anything? You know, I watched the social. Celtics yesterday. Yep. I know they're good. Yep. But I'm sitting there like, can you put Atlanta away? I'm sitting there for an hour and a half.

Sometimes I watch the Celtics and I'm like, they're winning this whole thing. Yeah. And then I almost feel like they're bored because the same guys have been doing this for years. Yeah. They are bored with Atlanta. They just want to get through this. It's like LeBron when he was in the East. He was just like, can you get me to the second round?

I think what Boston is doing is Boston is a victim of their success. They're bored with Atlanta. They're bored with the series. Yeah, I would agree, but I don't see it hurting them. And I do think that they have the capability of when they're facing a worthy opponent

that they're going to get busy. And I see them honestly, I see them as the team to beat, even though the Bucks had the best record with Janice being compromised and the matchup between Milwaukee and Boston. Boston and Golden State have played so many games together. Last year, if you go back to the finals,

the quality of passing and defensive switching is so good with the Celtics and the Warriors. They've been in so many practices, all this load management stuff. Boston will do switches defensively, and they are seamless. That is like playing together. I mean, you go play at the YMC,

and you play four games in an afternoon. By the fourth game, you're like, oh, I know that guy's tendencies. Boston and the Warriors have played so many games together. It's just high basketball IQ on both ends of the floor. This is the trickiest part with the Boston Celtics, is

that Jason Tatum may be as good at defensive player as he is an offensive player. They have Derek White, Malcolm Brogden, Marcus Smartest Point Guards. Like, they're always going to have the riches that Joe Missoula has to play with. are extraordinary.

Who's the guy that's going to go win you the game with the game on the line? And it's going to be Jason Tatum. It's supposed to be. It's supposed to. Well, I mean, they're going to try to make it Jason Tatum. That's who they're going to go to. But Jalen Brown sometimes has a better answer. Yeah.

And that's that. And wants it more. That is the question. Like, can Jason Tatum be that guy? That's the only question I have. as far as the Boston Celtics and their ability to win the championship. He has a J-Max got a Jason Tatum newsletter that comes out about three times a week. He loves the guy.

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This is the herd line news. You know, you keep trying to talk a quarterback into existence with the Niners, this Aaron Rogers stuff. I don't get it. Well, it's weird. We got a story here that, you know, You remember the 49ers drafted Tray Lance, third overall in 2021. Right.

But there continues to be chatter that he might be on his way out. Now, Trey Lance was at the North Dakota State spring practice this past weekend. Yeah. And he was asked about the trade rumors. Trey Lance said he had no information and no comment on that. And listen, that's supposed to be a safe space for Trey Lance, where he's supposed to be loved. Remember he was undefeated there in his one season?

I think they're moving off. And now he's getting barraged with questions about it. They're moving off it. I think they're going to go Brock Purdy, Sam Darnold, and I think they're, and I think they feel good about both. Darnold's a more polished version of Trey Lance. You get some power athletically, but you worry about some accuracy issues, and I think Brock Pertie's their future for the next two years.

And I think they're going to win a lot of games in the NFC. Move off Trey Lance. That sounds easy. What's the market for a guy who has four starts in two years? How about a fit for a pound? Has an injury, inaccuracy issues. And then in college, he had 17 starts in three seasons. So we're talking about a guy who started 21 football games.

in five years. If you had an offensive coach that you like, the quarterback coach you really like, I would give a fifth round pick. If I had a couple fifth round picks, I'd give up a late fourth. The Niners traded up to get him, and they're only going to get a fifth in return?

Well, I think, yeah, I can see. I mean, when you brought Sam Darnold in, that's essentially the comp for Trey Lance, which is athletic with accuracy issues. I mean, it is. I mean, I feel better starting a game tomorrow with Sam Darnold to Trey Lance at this point. Well, Donald's been around,

longer, yeah. But I think this organization's like, I wouldn't be surprised if they don't move off, if they don't move off Tray Lance and draft another quarterback like Purdy later. So Brock has a backup. Just listening to you and Lance's skill said literally just now it hit me. I have not fully thought it through. What if the Eagles said, we'll buy low on him. We've got our guy in Jalen Hertz, but Tray Lance, like physically is a Jalen Hertz kind of guy. If we need him to run what Hertz does. I don't think that's a bad. I think that's an awful move, right? No. And I. And you have an offensive, you have a good offensive line, good weapons, and an offensive coach. He doesn't need to play? There's no pressure. Hey, we just went to the Super Bowl. We got our guy. No. No pressure at all. I don't think that's a bad idea at all. Give up a fifth round pick to get Tray Lance in Philly.

By the way, that's good for Trey. It's a good organization. You got smart people all over the building. That's a great move. Now, listen, there's 49ers. Former 49ers coaches all over the league who have been in the locker room with Trey Lance. He's a good kid. Temeco Ryans in Houston. No, no. No interest, huh? What does that tell you? Because Houston's got to rebuild the whole roster. They're not worried about that. They got their quarterback.

Fine, fine. We're not going to draft a quarterback high this year because we want one next year. Yeah. I'll give you a fourth round pick. Give us Tray Lance. They can't give up a fourth round pick. They need to be players. Listen, I'm not going to hammer Tray Lance.

It's unfair. But there's 49ers coaches all over the league who have been in that locker room with it. And there's like nobody interested. I think that says something. We got five or six days the draft. It's coming up. Next up. Dylan the villain Brooks got a flagrant two for hitting LeBron and the groin in LaGroin.

This was a dirty play any way you slice it. Colin, he's not going for the basketball. That is a direct shot. Now, listen, this really got me heated over the weekend. Dylan Brooks has a history of being a dirty player. He hit Donovan Mitchell in the groin. And Donovan Mitchell wanted to kill him on the court. You can see, like, they got into it.

He has injured other players. He led the league. I think in technical fouls. I'm sorry, tied for the most ejections, tied for the most in technical fouls, third most flagrant. Why the hell wasn't this guy suspended for game four? Very, to me, he should have been. You suspended Draymond Green.

And saying history matters, what about history here? Now, Lakers fans privately are excited because Dylan Brooks has been playing awful. And shooting too much. And he's like 25% from deep, 32% shooting. I think he has like 13 baskets and 10 foul. He's not a good basketball player. But maybe it helps him that he helps the Lakers that he's out there.

I don't know. I don't want to say that the gris are a piece away from being like a legit team. They have a really good roster. When healthy, Adams is not there. I think if Stephen Adams comes back, they're a star away. A star?

Jackson and Morant aren't a good one-two punch? No, that's not a championship. They were like a top three seed the entire season. A regular season. A lot of people are really great in the regular season. You know how many times Atlanta and the Raptors have been like, woo, regular season. Wow.

Brighter future for the next three years. Sacramento. Period. Sacramento. It's getting scary. By far. Our little mind meld, you knew I was going kids. Sacramento's intensity, maturity, depth, smarts.

I love Sacramento's game. I think Sacramento's got the baby warriors. Watch out. I don't disagree. Final story. How about this? Late last night, I know you were up for this one. T-wolves survive a massive collapse at the end of regulation. They led by 12 with like two and a half left. The Nugget scored 12 straight to force overtime. Luckily, Minnesota escapes in overtime, 114, 108. It was actually a pretty decent game. Yokic went for 43, I believe, but he missed a free throw late or they get the sweep. I don't know how much you've invested at your time. I know it's valuable. Not a ton. in this one because I do feel it's a lob-sided series. It is lopsided. I didn't, I watched some sixer stuff because I've watched so much Sixers this year. I think Philadelphia is a lot of fun to watch. I've spent way more time watching the mismatch that is the Sixers than I've watched this mismatch.

I do have to ask, Carl Anthony Towns struggling again. I'd move him. I mean, it's pretty clear that this team belongs to Anthony Edwards, who was unbelievable last night. What's the market for a guy? like Carl Anthony Towns. What can he be? Using the one, two, three. Okay, I'll give you an example. If Golden State can't get past Sacramento,

because they get no points from their bigs, do they roll the dice, move a couple guards out to help Anthony Edwards? Which guards? Let's give them Dante B. Benchino and Jordan Poole. Oh, come on. They're going to say Carl Anthony Towns is a franchise guy. Just for the record, 36 minutes. last night. He took nine shots.

He had 17 and 11. He took nine shots and fouled out. He's supposed to be a franchise guy. He's paid like one. He thinks he's a franchise guy. He's a little squirly for me. He'll have been a little emotional. Can you win with him as a two? Maybe not. But I think he'd be a no. I mean,

Carl Anthony Towns is talented. I've seen him play live four or five times here in L.A. He's really talented. He can dominate quarters. He's a little emotional. He can go sideways at times. He can't be your franchise guy. But he can be productive and a hard guy to defend. I mean, he's super talented. Do you remember Chris Bosch and Kevin Love were like

really good players on teams? Yeah, but those guys are different. Well, they became the number three on LeBron teams and won championships. Yeah, but those guys, you're talking Kevin Love and Bosch are, no. Those guys are Hall of Famers. I always knew what I get.

Kevin Love is one of the all-time Kevin Love and Chris Bosch are Hall of Famers. Carl Anthony Towns is not. Those guys left environments, Toronto and Minnesota, they could have stayed there an average 26 and 12. All right. Kevin loves a Hall of Famer. Bosch is a Hall of Famer.

Cats not. Timberwolves called the Clippers. We know Kauai Leonard doesn't play for you guys a lot. We'll give you Carl Anthony Towns. Give us Kauai. Would you entertain that? Oh, if I'm Minnesota? Oh, absolutely.

Because Anthony Edwards going to give me 75 games. Now, obviously, Kauai Leonard's up here and Carl Anthony Jones. Yeah, but I only get about 35, 40 games from Kauai. If you're lucky. But at this point, Kauai's got to play with a young guy that plays every night. And so I would say absolutely. He would be, Kauai would be my two. Franchise guy would be Ann Edwards.

Number two is Kauai. Then I got the maturity of Mike Conley. I've got the rim protector. That's an interesting team. I do that in a second if I was Minnesota. I'm sure people are outraged that we're not trading Kauai for Kat. But the reality is, at some point, the clippers are going to have to bail on Kaua. They have to.

You can't just go into this with uncertainty. And I don't love crawling into any towns, but he would fit in that five-out system with Tailu. Tailu makes almost everything work. He's making Westbrook work. He is. That's crazy. I know. J-Mack with the news.

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