The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Shedeur Sanders' debut tonight, thoughts on Arch Manning possibly staying, Josh Plate

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

Can Shedeur Sanders be “legendary” tonight? Doug talks to CFB Insider Josh Plate on the possibility of Arch Manning not going to the NFL after this season, why the expectations are so high, why preseason predictions are useless, and more! Should the Pirates trade Paul Skenes #douggottliebshowSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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In for Colin Cowherd. And for the next two hours, I want to talk sports with you from Santa Clarita to Temecula to Escondito. all the way down to Poway we might even work on baseball maybe maybe I mean

did you guys see Paul Skeins yesterday did anybody follow this Paul Skeins who was the number one overall pick two years ago for the pirates who stink first time

okay and I think 47 starts he'd allowed seven hits you're like wow still shut out the Reds still set out the Reds. He is so good, like the juxtaposition of how good

skeins is and how bad the pirates are is really remarkable. Can you imagine? Yeah, I can actually. I remember Michael Jordan when he first came to the Bulls. You know, it's like, that doesn't mean he's Michael Jordan.

it's the, now you have people who look back and they're like, Jordan didn't win anything without Scott Pippin. Okay, either state that you were alive when Jordan dominated the NBA and you choose to change what it was actually like, or you weren't alive you didn't know, and so you're just repeating what stupid people say. Because Scottie Pippen played when they kept getting beat by the Pistons. And they would punk Michael Jordan,

they would punk Scotty Pippin. He had a migraine. Scotty was a great number two. Really good, really good player. Let's not act like he was anywhere near the stratosphere of a Michael Jordan. You know? Not close. Yeah, Jordan had to evolve, learn to pass some, put in a different offense when the double teams have come, learned to trust his team.

And part of it was teams weren't very good. And then they grew and got better. But people say dumb stuff all the time. And, you know, you could say, like, well, Paul Skeen is going to what? Baseball somehow is the only sport in which you can be awesome and your team be stinky. And people are like, eh, I know. I do have a Paul Skeen's thing to get to a little bit later on the show. But let's start with Chador Sanders, who is going to get the start for the Browns in their preseason opener tonight.

Here's Kevin Stefanski's head coach on Shador. My expectations for Shador are no different than the rest of the guys. We expect them to go operate. When you get in these preseason games, you try to keep it very simple so that guys can play fast. All concepts that our players know and can kind of not think too much and just play ball. Yeah, and just play ball. Now, the sale of Shador Sanders is that this is what his entire career was built upon, right? Or built in readiness for.

he trained with Tom Brady. He started at Jackson State and kind of built up. So he has the volume of reps. Four years as a starter, two years in one AA and two years in the Big 12 or one year in the pack and one year in the Big 12. And he's got a lot of starts under his belt. And he's studied with the best. And so he's ready. And so none of this stuff is hard for him.

But I just, there is no middle. right because the likelihood is you'll watch him like oh there's some good because he's not terrible and there's some things like yeah you got to clean it up it's not a great athlete but he's not a bad athlete you know he's got really good touch very accurate not really it doesn't really have a laser outside the numbers um but there's there's a lot there and there's some stuff missing and maybe it gets exposed tonight maybe it doesn't But it will, I mean, we all know how this works. It will be all or nothing.

It will be the Browns need to just drop everything and start Shador Sanders, or this is a joke, his dad, you know, pushed him to a level above his level of competency. Why are we talking about the first round? It's a big night for Mel Khyper Jr. Not going to lie to you. Like, Mel almost put down his entire, like, reputation on, like, what is going on? Which, by the way, he just shows, I love Mel.

Mel. Mel is always a gentleman to work with. But a lot of the people that he used to have an in with in the NFL, they've aged out. And anyone who's been in the NFL now knows that Shador Sanders was a clown in the interviews. What does that matter? Well, no one else was a clown. It's a job interview. You get a clown job interview.

And it's not like he's the perfect prospect. He's not bad, but let's not act like he's Josh Allen. And even Josh Allen, who was flawed coming out of college, didn't act or behave the way that Sturr Sanders is reported to have act. But this is, we were told, hey, he's trained with Brady. His mental game is far ahead of everybody else. He's playing the preseason. He's not going to see a bunch of exotic stuff.

And he's a gamer. He's clutch. It's legendary. Okay. To anyone who says, they're setting them up for failure. Do you think you have a better chance of succeeding in the NFL in a preseason game playing with,

because I don't think you'll play with many starters, but playing with ones and twos or playing with threes and fours and fives? What do you think? Right. There's a reason that the end of preseason games can just look, raggedy because you have dudes that aren't going to be in the NFL this year. Who would you rather have blocking for him? The second string left tackle or the fourth string left tackle.

Don't believe me. Here's Mark Dominic, former general manager in the NFL with the Tampa Buccaneers. I asked him last hour about the, what's the chances that the Tampa Buccaneers want to see him, excuse me, that the Cleveland Browns, Mark was the general manager of the Tampa Buccaneers, that the Cleveland Browns want to see Chador fail. No one such a guy have to fail. internally as an organization, the last thing you're ever going to do is like, I can't wait to get this guy out there so he falls on his face.

Like, no one thinks that way, especially with the draft pick. And I know it's Shadur Sanders and people are like, oh, this is, you know, look, they already drafted a quarterback and they traded up to make sure they got the next quarterback. They want him to be successful desperately. The problem is what you said, there's been a lot of injuries and he's found a way to get healthier, faster than all the other guys. And, you know, there's a great opportunity. You know, there's no way anyone in Cleveland,

And that organization's like, let's put Chador out there so he looks terrible when he fails. No one's thinking that. Agreed. Agreed. Now, what is success and what is failure look like, right? Like he'll be able to de under center and throw a football. This is a lot like the discussion with somebody guys, well, he can't throw the deep ball. Well, it doesn't mean you can't throw the ball deep down the field, but can you throw a deep out?

You know, can you be on the move and throw something where it's not a hospital ball where you're going to get your guys? put in the hospital. And forgive me, you know, dog pound since 1969 on Twitter, but what Kevin Stefansky thinks is what's really important. So, yeah, I'm, I'm interested. And he said, we wanted to play fast. We don't want them to think much. We're going to do simple stuff. Just be simple. The other thing about being a starter is easier to script plays. him so you come in, get right after him. You're going to look better than you probably are. I have no idea if Shador Sanders

as a starting caliber quarterback in the NFL. Neither do you. You know? Because we could sit there and go, hey, well, you know, this level of completion percentage, yeah, but a lot of it was dink and dump or throwing to the best player in college football. They did have an outstanding wide receiving core. He holds on the ball

a little bit long, and it was made, it was exacerbated by the fact that he had a porous offensive line. but let's not act like we're sitting there breaking down film and see the All-22 and we know what we're looking at. I thought he was a good college quarterback. I thought he got away with some stuff because, you know, he had the ball a lot. And remember, this is also the first game he's going to play, whereas dad's not his head coach. Think about that for a second.

First game you're going to play. It's in the NFL. You're a preseason starter. and it's the first time you look over there and Pops doesn't have the headset on. Like his dad coached him in Pee-wee. So I don't know if he's any good. I think he's okay. I think he's fine.

I think he's accurate. I don't think he's got a great arm and I don't think he's a great athlete. But the Cleveland Browns absolutely want to see him succeed because if they can, they'll have a quarterback really cheap for a couple of years and have a chance to rebuild this franchise when they overspent on an absolute waste of time in Deshawn Watson. But just because you want him to be a guy or you want Dylan Gabriel, it doesn't mean it happens. But I can't guarantee much, but they don't want to see him fail.

There are people that want to see him fail. I don't think they're members of the Cleveland Brown's organization. All right. Coming up next in the herd, is Arch Manning a lock for two more years at Texas? The man who knows? Or we'll say something with Supreme Conference where you think he knows? joins us next. In the herd.

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favor, Google, and you can just indulge. You're like, oh, here we go. I'm ready. Josh, you know, I, part of this is watching last year in some of the surprising finishes in some of the conferences. Some of it is being a college basketball coach myself and some of it is just kind of being an observer of college sports, but I'm of the opinion, no one really knows what they have. And so a lot of these preseason predictions, sort of wasteful, right? Yeah. Are you in the same boat?

Yeah, man. Well, first off, hey, it's nice to talk to you on this Friday. I always thought this, okay, about college football. It's always kind of been that way. but let me just give you one extreme off the chart's anecdote to hammer home your point. Barry Odom just took over the Purdue job. Barry Odom had a good year last year at UNLV. Purdue was terrible. He takes over the Purdue job. Now, you know, in football, it used to take a minimum of, what, two, probably three years to turn over your roster.

Barry's going to have 105 scholarship players in fall. 83 of them are new. Rich Rodriguez at West Virginia. I think 70 or 71 of his 105 are going to be new, like they were not there last year. So that's your freshman class enrolling, and that's like 25 kids, and the rest of them are portals. So with that as the backdrop, I ask you, Doug Gottlieb, how in the world am I supposed to know anything about anyone? And then you've got Carson Beck. I mean, this time last year, if you and I were talking, we would have been talking about that kid

and whether he was going to be the number one overall quarterback taken in the draft after he probably challenges for the Heisman en route to Georgia playing for a national title. And none of that happens. And now he's at Miami and how am I supposed to know what to expect down there? The highlight game of week one is Texas and Ohio State, both I think, out of the top 75 in returning production numbers, how am I supposed to know what to expect there? Here's the beauty. I've never been one of these anti-preseason poll guys.

I've never been one of these anti-prediction guys. I am just the kind of guy that wants to do all that, but do it in very light pencil. Because you cannot ignore week one and week two just because you took six months to build up predictions and you're not coming off of them. You've got to be ready to pivot on a dime on this stuff because you're right. Dude, half the coaching staff don't even know what they have. So I certainly don't know what they have. And a lot of the coaching staffs are new too. That's the other part.

Like they're new. And they don't have spring games anymore. Yeah. Hey, I'll tell you another thing, though. I was listening to some of the stuff we had done in spring with some of these coaches this morning, and some of it was on record, like a lot of it was off-record, and a lot of the off-the-record talk, especially in football right now, is about how many coaches?

Like, yeah, you're right. There's new coaching staff churn all over the place every year, but there are a lot of people who point-blank have their jobs this year that would not have previously had their jobs because their buyout number is too big a knock on the payroll now, and the payroll's real now because you have to pay the players, And so it's not monopoly money anymore. You actually have to budget and account for things.

And so, I mean, Billy Napier at Florida, if we're 10 years ago, does Billy even survive last year? Does he make it through the season? Well, he did because of the new constraints. And lo and a whole, he may have a top 10 team this year. I think it was like, it was like a small handful of coordinators out of the entire SEC lost their job. And that's been a league perennially where half the league turns over at the coordinator position, either from firing or new hires. So there's a mixture. Like, yeah, there is some newness in coaching spots, but there's also a really healthy amount of guys that have been given a stay of execution, if you will, maybe one more year.

And the true skill, if you want to talk about being predictive, is go find the guy that was one year away all along. And because he's been given that one more year is going to make it pop. Well, the hard part about trying to make it pop is you'll take some risky guys. And the risk, there's risk and reward in it. And again, you just kind of holding your breath that the phone doesn't ring. in the middle of the night. Josh Pate joined us to Josh Pate College Football Show. He joins us here in the herd of Doug Gottlieb filling in for Colin.

Archie Manning is like Arch is going to be at Texas for two more seasons this year and next year. Do you buy it? Yes, I do. That's been the talk around him since he got there. So if I don't buy it, it's just me calling him a bald-faced liar, and I don't think they are. Now, he could just explode this year and be projected. the number one overall, and of course you've got a choice to make at that point. I am not applying those kind of expectations to him.

Now, this is, you know, me personally. The market is. The odds boards are. I'm not. I am expecting him to be good to really good with flashes of elite, and if he delivers anything above and beyond that, so be it. But I do want to take a step back. I mean, it's very obvious.

Nothing around him is conventional. Archie Manning talking about that, chief among them. his thought process in the way he gets to handle himself because of what his last name is, chief among him. But I was trying to think about this. Maybe you come up with an answer because I don't have one. When is the last time that we had known a kid for over half a decade? Six years, we've known Arch Manning, sophomore, junior, senior year in high school,

first, second, now third year at Texas. And it's six years in before he's the full-time starter. People have been talking about this dude over half a decade, like fully formed opinions. And we hadn't even seen him be listed as the number one quarterback at Texas yet. So you want to talk about expectations, like you asked me a few minutes ago. Think about how many hard-boiled expectations and thoughts and opinions people have of him without ever seeing him play entire six-game stretches of a season before. I don't know that we've ever really seen that dynamic with anyone,

and I guess it would have to be a famous last name for a kid to have even mattered as a sophomore in high school like you did. Yeah, I can't think of one. I just cannot. I mean, obviously we don't cover up most kids in high school unless they're, you know, Tebow a little bit because he was part of the reality show back in the day. That may have been the one. And, but then he played right away, although he wasn't a full-time starter, probably until year three, right? So there's a little similar.

That's it. That's it. Anybody who's been hyped has come in and they've been hyped and then they've started. It just so happens. Texas has the situation they had. Yeah, and to, I think it was Nick Saban, who was it, who said, if he's so good, why was he the backup to like a six-round pick? And it's like, yeah, okay, Joe Burrow couldn't, you know, couldn't crack the code to Ohio State. I mean, heck, you go back in Josh Fields, I mean, what's it?

Fields couldn't crack the code at Georgia because it's really hard to replace an incumbent who's a good, solid college quarterback, regardless of your upside. So I don't actually buy that that sort of argument, if you will. Speaking of Texas, they play Ohio State first game of the year, right? What should we? We know there's a lot we don't know. What do we know about the matchup? You know that the caliber of athlete is going to be high level. Like that's where the floor is baked in pretty high on both of those teams.

But, I mean, there's one thing you can do, and that's just, hey, I know they've recovered. cruted top five classes. All right. And then you're viewing that from 50,000 feet. You could zoom in maybe 20,000 feet, and you could go by a preview magazine and try and familiarize yourself with the names. Or you could zoom in the weeds and know, hey, man, Texas has already had attrition on its offensive line, an offensive line that they already had to backfill departing starters to

the NFL draft because of, and that could be an issue. Now, it could be that if they remain unscathed the rest of the way, they're okay, but I mean, Texas is already in a position where they can't afford any more attrition really along the offensive line. Now, I say that, Doug, and if you were to hit the rewind button on me, I would have been saying the same thing about Notre Dame this time last year, and they go into College Station week one against what should have been a ferocious edge rush, and they win, and then they keep on suffering attrition and keep on reloading it offensive line, and they go on to play for a national title.

So really what it comes down to is not so much the players you're going to have, and I don't say that to me players don't matter. or players or everything. I trust that you recruited, and I trust that you developed, and Texas did not hit the portal in the offensive line, by the way. And I was there in the spring, and I can tell you firsthand, look at them in the eye.

They trust the guys they have in the house. Did you coach your tail off well enough? Like, did you get your team ready? Did you prepare? And also, then from my viewpoint, I'm sitting over here on the other side of the lens, I've got to ask myself, is it possible I see a totally different version

of either of those teams? week one, then I will, week nine. The answer is almost a definitive yes. So you've got to be careful not to fly off the handle, because everyone's going to go into that thing. You know as well as I do that Saturday morning. Everyone's going to say, whoever wins, it'll be a great game. It could be 33 to 10.

Someone could be minus four turnovers. There's no guarantee that that's going to be a great game. I'll probably go, so I trust that it will be. But you just got to be careful, man. That knee-jerk stuff in college football is a dangerous poison to drink in week one. uh there's a bunch of really interesting college football programs last year i said thought oklahoma was the most interesting and they you know you go and get a kid who's supposed to be the next you know god in cleats heism trophy winner and he started all the first what

three games and then they pull him now he's he's somewhere else in the cc uh what happens with oklahoma this year i'm sky high on him i mean that's the one where i'm totally exposed because I have not hedged my bets. I've not ridden the fence. I think they will be a top 10 caliber team. Now, I say that statement absent acknowledging their schedule. Their schedule is insanely difficult, but I do not believe they were a terminally flawed program last year.

I believe they had a terminal flaw in a program in a roster that was otherwise built to win, and they have addressed that emphatically. And I'll tell you what else they did. Not only did they go get John Maturic quarterback and his offensive coordinator Arbuckle comes in, those guys are really good. I mean, as soon as they hired Ben Arbuckle, I had a dozen coaches hit me up and say, I don't know if you know that guy or not, but he's a stud.

He's the real deal. So I trust him. I trust him. I legitimately think he could compete for the Heisman this year. But absent a kid named Dionne Burks, who was hurt last year, should be good to go this year. They really attacked wide receiver in the portal, and they overhauled there.

They selectively attacked at linebacker defensive end, I think, in the portal defensively. And they acknowledged and addressed, and addressed some of the issues, but they didn't have many, Doug. They needed to address one core issue, and they did. Those are three top 10 recruiting classes stacked on top of each other. Those are three top ten portal classes stacked on top of each other. I think they are very, very primed to be the surprise team in the SEC this year,

and they get Michigan and Auburn at home two of, I think, the first four weeks of the year. I expect them to go into the Red River game against Texas undefeated. Wow, especially after Michigan. The hype would be insane in the Red River rivalry. Josh Pates, our guest, I'm Doug Gottlie, Filling, and for Collins. The Hurt, Fox Sports Radio, IHeart Radio app, USC. Lincoln Riley brings Caleb Williams in, and they start to set the world on fire, and then all of a sudden, oh, boy, oh boy, they start to remodel.

Where are they? Lincoln Riley knows exactly where they are. Lincoln Riley, it's so funny, his name was tied to the LSU job, and then he takes the USA. job. And then Brian Kelly takes the LSU job. Both of those guys made critically wrong decisions hiring at the outset, and they suffered for it defensively. Both of them addressed it, and they addressed it properly. They both hired the right way defensively. They got the right guys in the building last year, each place. You saw an uptick in production. I expect a full

hockey stick effect there again this year. I expect a lot more scaling of defensive numbers. That's why whether it's Garrett Nussmeyer at LSU or whether it's Myava at USC, I don't need those guys to go win games single-handedly. I don't need them to hang 40, like Cam Ward had to do last year at Miami. The question I asked at USC when I was out there this spring is, do you have the bodies on the line of scrimmage? Well, that's what it'll always come down to eventually. I mean, you're going to Eugene, Oregon in November.

If you were to navigate your conference schedule, you're going to play Ohio State or Penn State in December, I mean, that's really where you're going to have to win the game. And, you know, Lincoln Riley teams have not been known for that both sides of the ball. But that doesn't mean they can't be. It just means a fundamental shift has to have happened philosophically, which brings me to rewinding about, oh, 16 or 17 months when he stood there in that building after the 2023 season had concluded, he said, we're changing everything.

We are starting from scratch philosophically. we're going to redefine everything about this program. And I said, if he means it, this is a new day at USC. Okay, so then they lost a bunch of one possession games last year. That still could be evidence that they're on the right track. If they are on the right track, my point is this year, it will manifest itself. And this year, they'll compete for the Big Ten championship. And if they don't, patience will be worn beyond thin,

and I can't blame people if they don't have patience if he doesn't produce after this year. I think they'll be closer this year. It's going to be the one possession game stuff all over again, though. It's just which side are they on? Sure. Josh Pate, of course, you may know Pate State. He travels all around the country. He covers college football with his college football show.

He joins us in the herd. I'm Doug Gottlieb. In for Colin here on a Friday, soon to be a college football Friday. We're just a couple weeks away. Paid State's synonymous with Penn State. James Franklin has done an incredible job first at Vanderbilt, then at Penn State, loading up with talent. But what's missing is big wins.

this has got to be the year, right? I mean, this has got to be the year. Again, I know everybody knows what they have. They know what they have at quarterback, and they know they got a lot of dudes. They've recruited well. This has got to be the year, doesn't it? Yeah, it does.

There's nothing unfair about what you said. I'm a believer that high expectation is totally fair if all the investment that's been asked by the coaching staff has been given. And James Franklin's got everything he needs. and they're not shying away from it, man. I'm probably going to do a show from up there in a couple of weeks, and I guarantee you we'll have him on the show, and I guarantee he'll look at that camera and say, yeah,

yeah, this should be the year. That is their attitude, and I'll tell you this, if you're a casual college football fan, and I told you, hey, up until last year, James Franklin and Penn State had doubters, you would think as a casual fan, well, they went to, like, the semi-final last year, so certainly the doubt has subsided, right?

No, it hasn't at all. because the two pillars in the doubt tree there were you can't beat the big boys and you can't go win a national championship. Well, they got a shot against Ohio State. They lost. They got a shot against Oregon. They lost. They went to the playoff. They beat SMU and Boise, which a hater would tell you they should have done. And the hater is right, by the way. And then they got a shot against Notre Dame and they lost. So even though they went to the semifinal last year and it feels like they broke new ground, they really didn't.

So it's the same thing this year. Oregon's coming to your house. You got the whiteout. It's not a noon kickoff. excuse, you need to beat them in week five. You've got to buy week before that, and they have to travel to you with a new quarterback, by the way. You're going to go to Ohio State later in the year. You better have at least split those games. You better be in Indianapolis. You need to win the Big Ten championship. You need to go deep in the playoff and beat someone who lines up across from

you who recruits the same caliber athlete you do. If you don't, the window's not closed for you to win 10 games. I'm a believer James Franklin could do that forever up there. But there probably is a window to win a championship there. And you're right. This is the year. They got to do it this year. Josh, great stuff, dude. We're just a couple weeks away.

A couple weeks away. It's getting closer and closer. I know your show is getting more and more intense. Thanks for being our guests. Look forward to seeing the road. And always appreciate Pate State. Join us. I appreciate it, brother.

All right. That's Josh Pate. Check out on YouTube. Of course, you know the Josh Pate show. I'm Doug Ghalybin for Colin. Let's get you to Ryan Music with the news. No. No.

Turn on the news. is the herd line news. All right, Doug. Hello, Ryan. What do you have, sir? Plenty of great college football discussion there, so we're going to turn our attention to some professional football. That's right. We're going to go a little NFL here.

Steelers having quite the offseason and training camp. Obviously, the Aaron Rogers will-he-won't-he saga. Now we know he will, at least be on the Steelers. T.J. Watts' contract extension, that's done. But now we can add defensive lineman Cam Hayward to the mix. not fully participating in training camp until he gets an adjusted contract. That's the latest.

The 36-year-old was both a pro-bowler and an all-pro last season, so he's still producing at a high level. His current deal has him set to be the 18th highest-paid D-tackle in the league. Which, ironically enough, is probably about right now, right? Like, he's still really good.

Is he super, super elite? No. And again, this is a guy who, he wants, you know, a long-term extension. I think that the Steelers are a team that probably doesn't budge a ton. My guess is he gets another year and a little bit more money, but this goes counter to everything the Steelers have done, which is all in on this year.

Aaron Rogers, one year. A bunch of deals they've done, they want to win now. So I'll be interested to see how they manage this thing. My guess is they tack on another year and they move some money around so that they take away, they free up some cat money for this year and put some on next year. Yeah, it's, uh, Colin has

his scale of teams that he believes in versus how noisy they are leading up to the season. Um, there's a lot of other factors at Pittsburgh to where Colin's been very public about why he's not really buying what they got going on there.

But I think this would also lend itself to another one of those things. a whole lot of noise for Pittsburgh this entire offseason. Now you could argue maybe some of that noise was a good thing. Certainly having T.J. Watt on your team is a good thing. Acquiring a player like D.K. Metcalf is a good thing. Whatever you think of Aaron Rogers at this point in his career, I think we could agree that he's mostly an upgrade over what they have had at

quarterback over the past couple seasons. But from someone like Colin's perspective, a whole lot of noise. All right, tough news for you. They're not a team that's built for the noise either. No. That's the other part of college for respect to which I agree. All right. Tough news for you, Doug, and your chargers.

All pro-left tackle. Roshan Slater, out for the season. After tearing his petal tendon in training camp practice, Slater had just signed a contract extension, making him the highest paid offensive lineman in the league. And he was the second highest-graded tackle by pro football focus last year. Yeah, it's... I mean, the good news is

they did draft Joe Alt so you can replace him with Joe Alt who can play that left side. The bad news is that they have to, they thought they had bookend tackles for the next 10 years. Yeah. So,

they had their struggles with sort of the interior offensive line last year. So you were hoping to have Slater on the left side, Joe Alt, continuing to improve on a good rookie season on the right side. They brought in Mackay Beckton, who made huge leaps after being mostly a bust with the Jets,

but then moved to guard with the Eagles last year and played well in spots. So you were sort of hoping that they were on the upward swing to getting that O line sort of fortified. But this unfortunately has them now trending back in the other direction to where you're plug in to fill holes. and anybody who knows Jim Harbon has seen the style of his teams over the years knows how important that physical nature of the offensive line is and an unfortunate setback for those chargers and Rashon Slater. It is, you know, in typical charger fashion, they'll be in the playoffs and they'll be like, hey, he's close, maybe he plays next week before they lose.

That's actually the most typical charger thing. Or late in the season, right? They're coming up on week 18, be like, you know, if they get to the playoffs, if Sean Slater could come back. And it doesn't happen because that's classic charger. We'll wrap up with this. The bills currently along with the Ravens have the best

odds to win the Super Bowl right now. But for Buffalo, in order to try and bring home that Lombardi trophy, they'll need their starting running back James Cook, currently a hold-in for a new contract. Here's where Josh Allen had to say about James Cook.

James is one of the best running backs in the league. We desperately want him out there with us, hopefully we can get something done. So the bill is looking to bring back James Cook. Josh Allen at least hopes that it's going to be sooner rather than later as they try to surmount what seems to be the unsurmountable mountain of getting past Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs in the postseason. Did you go unsurmountable?

Is it insurmountable? Or is it unsurmountable also acceptable? But I love that. Well, I think it's insurmountable. I'm not sure exactly what I said. You said insurmountable. But it's interesting. No one ever surmounts.

It's only insurmountable. Like, we surmounted that. Yeah, you know, listen, there's a big challenge. We surmounted it. Don't worry. Nope. And the only time we ever use is insurmountable. That's a great, great get by you.

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Come up next in the herd. Just, again, want to, what's the? call when you throw out ideas and then you kind of discuss it. It's sort of brainstorming, sort of spit, I want to spitball some ideas here. Okay. Paul Skeen's, and again, they can't trade now, trade deadline went away. But what should the pirates do? Let's discuss next in the heart.

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in hey i was i was watching last night uh we're actually listening um to some major league baseball discussion and watching some highlights and talking about things and i saw the pirates who they're not terrible right they're not good

but they're not like rockies level bad but they're 50 and 66 okay for for perspective okay for perspective in their division they're dead last okay the Cardinals are 58 and 58 so they're in a very difficult

division but they're not below the Braves or the Nationals who have kind of bizarrely fallen off but it's not like there's a ton of hope there and they're a team that you know run differential wise it's not terrible

the nationals are minus 148 and run differential the pirates are minus 52 that's not the right Rockies are minus 316. It's not just that they're 30 and 84. They're just they get eviscerated for much of the season. So they're competitive. But there is that, there is going to be that question.

Paul Skeen's, you guys want to take a guess? Music, what do you think Paul Skeens makes? Just ballpark. Man, it's got to be pretty low. I'm going to go with like $3 million. Are you talking about just this season, not his total contract? Just this season. Yeah, I'm going to go like $3 or $4 million.

Okay. Tu-i, you want to get in on this? Yeah, I'm going to say it's closer to a million. Maybe a little less. Ryan, do you, well, which is it? Like, again, give me a number that you think he makes, and I'll tell you. I'll say a million. Okay.

Ryan? 1.5 million. 1.5 million. If this was the price is right, all of you. you want, what's, what's the sound when you go over? Forget what the sound is. It's not what, wot, ww, wong, that's the actual theme song. Waw, waw.

$875,000. There you go. 875. So you're right, Dewey, only you're not supposed to go over. But nonetheless, the point is, and I'm sure at some point the pirates are going to go and try and, one of those deals where, hey, we're going to throw out for you 15 years at $500 million, and Skeens is, I don't know what you do.

But here's the question. Like, I'm not a, you have a great player. He's going to be a great player. And I'd not mention this because I would ever wish this upon any human being, ever. But he is a pitcher and he hasn't had Tommy John yet, right? So you're sitting there going like, okay, is that inevitable? And as music pointed out, I'm a Charger fan. I'm also an Angel fan.

And I've never been a trade trout guy. And now I think that ship has sailed. You know, Trout's had so many injuries. He's got a spinal issue. I don't think he's, I don't think he's tradable. But Shohei Otani, you go back, what, a year and a half ago, season and a half ago. And, yeah, you should trade him. You're going to lose him.

Skeens, I don't think you think you're going to lose, or at least not in the near term. But let's not act like the whole world comes out. Look, when he started against Mizorowski and Milwaukee, and they sold a place out, that was great. Two young star pitchers, amazing. But they're 26 in attendance. So even if they show up every fifth day to see Paul Skeen's pitch,

and he doesn't pitch every fifth day in Pittsburgh, it sounds like it helps him that much. I don't think this is the offseason, but I do think that if next year there's not a turn, there's not a 500 in their finish, and he's healthy? Isn't that the time that you go like, hey, we'd love to have you.

Now, if you're going to trade schemes, you can't do for prospects. You've got to do for players. And I think the issue with that is, well, if you do it for players, well, you're only go after Paul Skeen, if you're trading for Paul Skeens, you're going to only go after Paul Skeens,

if you're going to, you think you're one-star pitcher away from going to the playoffs or winning a World Series. And if you do that, you're not going to deplete your team. That's the problem with it. In baseball, almost every trade is for prospects because if you do player for player, you're not going to do pitcher for pitcher. I don't even know how you do it, how you pull it off, how you'd value him. But I do think at Pittsburgh, you sit there and go like, now is not the time, but at some point, in time you can't sit there and be the angels and get nothing in return for Shohei Otani, just like if you're the pirates, hasn't been hurt.

He's been spectacular. Here's how spectacular. Yesterday against the Reds, it was the first time in his career giving up seven hits and a start, 47 starts. He didn't give up a run. Didn't give a run. I mean, he's just, the guy's ridiculous. He's so good.

So good. But yeah, only $875,000. so, which I wonder if any pitchers come out and they're going to do the WNBA thing and say, the, the janitor makes more money than me. The janitor. All right, let's get back to some football coming up next.

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