The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Steelers continue to struggle on offense, the issues with the Chiefs, Jerry Jones is a happy man right now, Greg Cosell, Matt Mosley

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

Colin is joined by Greg Cosell of NFL Films for a deep dive into the Pittsburgh Steelers offensive struggles and why the Kansas City Chiefs’ offense hasn’t looked like the Patrick Mahomes–led machine we’re used to seeing He talks Cowboys Reporter Matt Mosley about Dallas' season so far and why Jerry Jones is smiling from ear to earSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. Lions and the Cowboys tonight. I like Dallas. I like their direction. Offense is on fire, playing with a ton of confidence. I think one of the things, when you look around the NFL right now, is that the best quarterback doesn't necessarily lead the division.

The best coach often leads the division. Mike Vrable is the best quarterback. best coach. Drake May is not as good as Josh Allen. He's good. Mike Vrable leads his division. Ben Johnson leads his division. Sean McVeigh leads his division.

I mean, we've said before, quarterback is more valuable than coaching. That's always been understood. But I think in Detroit, you have a situation where you lost a brilliant coordinator, Ben Johnson, who's become a, so far,

a brilliant head coach. And I think all the problems stem. It is nothing against the person that replaced him. Detroit still scores points, but not as many, and they're not as powerful, with many of the same players. So they were great. In fact, defined Detroit was on third down and fourth down. Now they're bad on third down, with a lot of the same players. So Dan Campbell on what he's seeing with the Cowboys right now.

They're hot right now. They're playing really good football. They've got a lot of confidence. They're a rugged team, you know. They are built off the O-line D-line, but they got explosiveness on the perimeter. And Dax's playing at a high level, man. So, look, we know we got our hands full, but we're up to the challenge. The scary thing about Dallas is they're two guards.

Over the last several years, they've taken high draft picks with interior linemen. They're both outstanding. So they're interior O-line. and they got a little problem at right tackle. But that Dallas O line, remember that that's what carried Dak early in his career. Once again, Dak, 10 years later, this old line is a chance to be really something.

They're running the football now with conviction. With that, Greg Kosell, 46 years, NFL films, always joined us on Thursday. What's been more impressive to you about the Cowboys? The offense, Greg, or the defense? I would think the defense, Colin, because look, As you know, what, the first five, six weeks, people are laughing at their defense. And now, you know, they made those trades.

Obviously, they got Kenny Clark before the season, but the in-season trades they have made been really impressive. And the trio of D-Tackles is as good a trio as any in the league. And as you probably noticed, three weeks ago, the rookie corner revel from East Carolina started to play. And then this past week on Thanksgiving, he played pretty much every snap. And now what they've done, and I think you'll continue to see this tonight, is now they've played Revell and Bridges, who's got a lot of length on the outside, and they've moved Bland to the slot where he's better. Bland is not a very good outside corner, so now they moved him into the slot where he first really made his hay in the league, and they're much better on the back end. But with what they've done up front, the return of overshone, the trading for Logan Wilson, suddenly this defense, well, it's not top five in the league, but it's a good enough defense to win games.

All right, so a game that's a little under the radar, although Josh Allen games are never truly under the radar, bills play the Bengals, and here's Joe Burrow. And my take is Cincinnati and Burrell are going to be the number one spoiler in the end. They may not make the playoffs, but what did you see with Burrough's first start? Because the numbers tell me it was pretty good. Yeah, Burroughs always been a guy. First of all, he's so good pre-snap and then getting into the post-snap operation phase. He's just one of those guys.

He's like a computer chip. He just sees it. It's innate. It's in his DNA. And he's always been a guy. Now, granted, he's got good receivers. We understand that. But he's always been a guy that understands the NFL that if it's one-on-one, you've got to throw

the football and that if that doesn't work, that means you don't need another quarterback. It means you need new receivers, but he's got receivers. So he's going to push it down the field. There'll be one-on-ones against these bills' corners, and we'll see how that plays out. On the other side, the bills, to me, are one of the most fascinating studies on offense in this league. They've got the most physically gifted quarterback in the league. I don't know the reason why they choose not to throw the ball. Maybe they don't like their receivers. But with the most physically, gifted quarterback in the league, they're not a passing team. They don't throw the ball down the field. In fact, they don't want to throw it a whole lot in terms of volume unless they're

forced to, but that's not the way they choose to play. And I give Aaron Kromer, their O-Line coach, who's been doing this, you probably know Aaron, he's been doing this for 20, 20, 25 years. Absolutely one of the best in the league. Their run game is so good. It's so multiple. It's specific to the opponent. I mean, last week against the Steelers, Cook and Davis had 41 runs combined, Colin, they did not pull an offensive lineman one time. Wow. So it was all zone-based. Yet, we've seen them have that run game where they have the counter-run game with Hawes and Gilliam the fullback

and been successful through the year doing that. So they are very specific to the opponent in how they feel is the best way to attack. But this is a running football team, and they only really rely on Josh Allen when they think they need to. Okay, another game, it's basically the season for the Kansas City Chiefs, the Houston, Texas. Let's start with Houston. So I prefer offensive coaches. But if you're going to go defense, go young. Mike McDonald, D'Amico Ryan's.

I remember before Domingo got the job, people in the Niners organization were saying, we're never going to keep this guy. He's just too smart. He's too bright. Well, so I watch Houston's defense. It's the best in the league. Is it schemes? Is it coaching?

Because they make every quarterback struggle. It's like they're playing with an extra man. What is it about their defense? Is it just better personnel or coaching? It's both because obviously if you look at their personnel, they're really good at all three levels. And based on my film study, I would argue that Kaelin Bullock is the best post-safety in the league this season in his second year in the league at a USC. You're probably very familiar with them being, you know, from USC. Really good football player, really good, long, smart, good, good athlete.

But obviously we know about Hunter and Anderson. and they're really good inside, too. No one talks about what they put out there on the inside at the detackle position. But the one thing about Damiq O'Ryan's is he's very tactical. So in specific situations, he will bring pressure, and they're very good with their concepts. Now, based on the rest of the league, they're not a high percentage pressure defense, but they're very schematic and tactical when they bring pressure, and they're very, very good at it, and they stunt.

and they've got guys who can stunt really good athletes. So this is a really difficult defense to play against. You and I are talking on a Thursday. I have no idea what the status is. We know Simmons, the left tackle went on IR. I don't know if Trey Smith. The guard's going to play. We don't know if Joan Taylor's going to play.

So imagine if you have all these backups on your offensive line, and now you've got that defensive line that you've got to play against. By the way, what is the identity of the Chief's offense today? What is it? I would say it's Patrick Mahomes being special, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic. I think the more you watch, and I think I've watched every Mahomes game in the league, since he's been in the league. It almost seems to me watching his tape, Colin, that more and more, he's become an improvisational stud,

as opposed to a pocket technician. Now, that's not to say he's not capable of playing from the pocket. Of course he is. He's extremely gifted, but it seems the more I watch, the more it's become a case. of him getting outside of play design, making incredible plays. That's what he did last week when he almost brought them back to victory, you know, against the Cowboys. It seems there's more and more of that.

Now, he's so good at it that they can kind of survive, although obviously they're six and six this year. I think this is a game where he's going to move around a lot, but I don't think they have a true identity in the way I think you're using the word. Raven Steelers, I mean, it kind of feels, again, it kind of, this is it for Pittsburgh. Is the Steelers offense broken? I'm not sure Steelers and offense are two words that go together very much these days. They're a tough offense to watch.

I mean, you talk about identity. I don't know what they are other than the fact that they line up a lot with big people. They play with two tight ends. They play with three tight ends. I think they'd like to run the football, but that's been very up and down. You don't know from week to week if they're going to have any kind of sustaining run game. I'm not sure what the past game is. They really don't work the middle of the field much at all, which is not a function of the quarterback. Aaron Rogers can obviously still throw the football.

Sometimes I feel watching their tape that their number one receivers becoming Darnell Washington at 311 pounds. So I'm not sure what they are on offense, and I don't know if right now I feel like watching their tape that you can hang your hat on anything and say, hey, this is what they bring to the table every single week. I want to talk about a team that we've kind of forgotten about once they lost their tackles, but we've talked about the Chiefs so much. We've talked about Denver that quietly, this defense with the chargers, they're 8 and 4, they're at home, absolutely a live shot to beat Philadelphia. I don't even know how they run the ball with this offensive line.

I have no idea. It's not good. Right, right. But it's mostly been a defensive side. story with Jesse Minter. Again, I'll ask you the question I did with Houston. Is it coaching or scheme with the Chargers defense? It's number two or three in the league right now.

Yeah, it's both. But I think one of the things that stands out when you watch their defense, and they have a lot of players, people may not be aware of. They don't know their names. They're not household names. But they've got a lot of pieces that can line up in different positions, and they're very multi-positional, multidimensional. Look, we know about Derwin James.

He's the name everybody knows. Not a lot of people probably know about Tar Hebe Still. A corner who plays outside in their base, moves inside, in their sub-defences. And by the way, is very in the dime, really, because they play nickel all the time. It's that big nickel with Derwin James. So in their dime, he plays inside, and he's a major part of their pressure packages. Tui Poloto, he's a guy that plays both outside and inside. A really good player.

I'm sure not a lot of people are aware of him. Diane Henley, really good linebacker. other guy that lines up in multiple positions within their different defensive structures. So they have a lot of movable chess pieces within their defense. And Jesse Minter obviously is coaching really well because when you ask guys to have a lot of different responsibilities based on different personnel, that means you're teaching really, really well. Yeah.

I want to talk about Jackson Dart for a second. So I watch him, juxtapose, with Drake May. Drake May does everything well. Drake May was a little reckless his first year. spent a lot of time in the blue tent. He doesn't anymore. He cleaned it up. No. I watched Jackson Dart, and the Giants are so desperate at quarterback. They've been so bad for so many years. They're just clinging to anything that worked. They cling to Tommy DeVito a couple years ago. I watched Jackson Dart, and I think he's a bit of a splash player.

He's memorable. He's confident. Is he a guy that can throw 42 times a game? What is the film say? Not the media, not the fan. What is the film say on Jackson Dart? Well, the first thing I want to say is we're not going to define its whole career about what we've seen this year. So I want people to understand that. So right now, Jackson Dart is a quarterback that is not seeing things as clearly as you need to. And when you're a quarterback that has mobility, Colin, and you don't see things as clearly as you need to on a consistent basis, what do you do? You run. And that's what he does.

And he's very good at it. But he can't take the kind of hits we're looking at now. he spent almost every one of his games, maybe with just one or two exceptions, in the blue 10. And obviously, he missed a couple of weeks due to being in the concussion protocol. So ideally, as he plays more, he starts to see things with more clarity, gets a better picture pre-snap. That translates to post-snap. He becomes more of a post-snap operator, and therefore can drop in the pocket, see it, and throw the football. Because you can't play like this on a consistent basis.

it's not sustainable and he's not big by the way so it's not as if that he can you know the body is it can handle all this so we'll see how it plays out but like i said i'm not defining his whole career he's a rookie on a team that's not very good so he's it's just how it's playing out this year okay another young guy should do her sanders i can't go through a segment second start i i you know again what's the film say on chadour yeah chadour was not very good this week and I think the way I always look at it when I watch young guys, I feel the same way about Cam Ward, is they're still playing a little bit at a college speed. You have to get back in the pocket.

You've got to see it. You've got to deliver the football this week. He didn't see things the way he needed to. He left a lot of throws on the field by not turning it loose. When the design of the route concept was clean, it was there. If he threw the ball this week when he should have, Jerry Judy would have had 175 receiving yards. And that doesn't even include that play, which was actually a second reaction adjustment play that we just saw. But for the most part this week, the processing just was a little slow.

Now, again, he needs more reps. This is not a condemnation or a referendum on his entire career and what it's going to be, Colin. He needs a lot of reps. He needs to play to the speed of the NFL game, and right now he's not doing that. And there's one thing that is very coachable, that he had this issue in college, and it flared up again this week. He has a tendency when he moves to hold the ball with one hand. You cannot do that in the NFL.

That can be coached and cleaned up. Okay. The best game of the weekend, Bears Packers. So let's start with the Bears. I love it. It's so old school. Ben Johnson would run it 55 times. I mean, it's now, first of all, when he got there,

he went and got Drew Dalman and Joe Tunney and Jonah Jackson. So it was very clear what he wanted to do. established for a young quarterback a big time run game. Is it a beautiful thing to watch when you look at film? Well, this week it was beautiful. They ran outside zone as their predominant run against the Eagles. And the Eagles, they played it the wrong way, and they know that. You can't play outside zone by playing laterally and just sliding down the line of scrimmage.

There has to be some kind of vertical knockback. Now, you don't want to shoot gaps, but there has to be some kind of vertical knockback, and the Eagles didn't do that. You know, they've got the second best running game in the NFL, and a lot of people probably aren't aware of that because all you want to talk about is Caleb Williams. That's what most people want to talk about. But their run game's been really solid. The Menungay kid has been really good. He's a physical, sustaining, hard runner. And when you compare him and combine him with Swift, you've got a really nice run game, and the old lion is playing really, really well. And what he does really well, it's almost the old Joe Gibbs philosophy, Colin, of using motion to change run support. Most people don't think of motion as being a factor in the run game, but Joe Gibbs did it years and years ago with the Redskins where you use motion and it dictates run support and changes it in your favor. And that's one thing that Ben Johnson has such a good feel for. Okay. Listen, I like Jordan Love. I had my questions out of Utah State, but I said if I didn't

say his name and I just said, there's a tall kid that's athletic with a big arm, takes risks, and doesn't throw a lot of picks. Everybody would go, oh, that's great. I think he's really talented. I think sometimes there's just, it looks to me like a franchise quarterback. Good arm, moves, nice kid, coachable, can ad lib, can be on script or off. What is your favorite quality on film of the Packers young quarterback? I would say there's a comfort with which he plays, which is not an X&O point, but there's a comfort with which he plays. And I would say that what has really stood out this year and he's gotten better at is ball placement because they are phenomenal on third down Colin they're the best third down conversion offense in the league and on third and seven plus

which for most teams is pretty much it's time to pun they convert more than 43% on third and seven plus that is remarkable it's almost unheard of but his ball location has gotten more consistent more precise year after year and you combine that with an aggressive mindset, which I believe is essential for a quarterback in this league. He's an aggressive mindset thrower. And now that he's more accurate and more precise with his ball location, he wins on third down. But again, you know, we've talked about coaching on the defensive side, coaching on the offensive side. I think it's a really good mix with Jordan Love and Matalafloor. We know Matalaflofflor likes to run the ball, but the other thing that stands out is they do some

really good things in the red zone. You know, I'm not a believer in the red zone. I actually heard Ben Johnson talk about this. I'm not a believer in the red zone of just throwing it up and hoping your receiver catches the ball. I'm much more of a believer in schematics in the red zone. And we saw that last week. And that's actually going to be the play we show because I think that that's so critical to be able to score touchdowns in the red zone and not just relying on guys going up and making a play, which is a maybe yes, maybe no deal. So this was last week against Detroit and I actually love this play and it's really so simple. You know, sometimes the really cool things are so simple when you really look at them. So here's Love, he's in the gun. Now,

what we're starting with here, we're going to start with a two by two formation, meaning that there's two receivers up top to the wide side of the field and there's two receivers to the boundary side of the formation. Now, what's going to happen is the two key receivers here are Watson and Dobbs, and we'll see that as we continue with the play. Now, Dobbs will go in motion and the corner will follow. Now, you're playing man down here if you're a defense because there's not a lot of room. You're not playing zone. So you're playing man.

So Dobbs is now stacked behind Watson. And the corners, they switch their matchup because of the motion. So, you know, what you have now is the corner that was on Dobbs is now matched to Watson and Dobbs is on the outside. So this is really some very simple but very cool stuff. What you're going to see is Watson is going to angle his. stem to the outside, okay? So they're going to do what we call a switch release. Watson's going to angle his stem outside, and Dobbs is going to then angle his stem inside.

But because the corners now have to switch due to this switch release concept, what happens is Dobbs ends up running now his out-quick out-cut against a corner that's inside of him because of everything they've done, the motion, the stack, the switch release. So what happens is he just has the leverage on him, so when he breaks to the outside, Colin, it becomes pitching catch. It's just really beautiful stuff. It looks so easy, but, you know, this is just so beautiful when you watch it. And to me, this is what red zone, particularly low red zone offense, meaning 10 yards in,

has to be about not just throwing it up to receivers. But this Packer offense, and you're right about Jordan Love, he definitely looks like a franchise quarterback. He's so physically talented. and I think mentally he's getting better and better with each week. Yeah, great stuff. Greg CoSell, 46 years, NFL films. Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Really appreciate it. What's interesting to me, folks, about Jordan Love, and you see this a lot. So he had a really good year in college the year before he came out. And then the year he came out, it wasn't as good a year because he lost coaches.

And a lot of people bailed on him. But you had to go back and look at the film from the previous year. And it does show that we all know this. Bo Nix is benefiting from Sean Payton. And Caleb Williams is benefiting from Ben Johnson. Well, that works in college as well. You know, when Sark was a college coordinator, but he was good enough to be a coach at Texas. It was nice having Lane Kiffin and Sark as coordinators

when they're both excellent head coaches. So this coaching stuff matters. Everybody in Green Bay, I hope you understand. you do understand that Green Bay is a well-run operation, but I don't get the critics of Jordan Love. I think he's an incredibly special player. Arm, movement, size, and again, this matters. Every time you put a mic in front of him says the right thing.

I mean, again, he never blows up a locker room. There's no passive aggressive. You can tell he cares about stuff beyond himself. It just, again, that stuff matters for quarterback. I don't care about other positions. Every time you talk to Jordan Love, And by the way, Caleb's gotten very good at this. Caleb Williams, Chicago's media is very aggressive.

Jalen Hertz, hyper-aggressive Philly Media. Jalen Hertz brings the heat down. Caleb Williams, Jordan Love. It's so much a part of this is keep the thing the thing. Don't inflame situations. But Jordan is really special. Good kid. One more herd?

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in Los Angeles, but that's way, way off, bro. Come on. Their patties are so small. How could that be the best burger when the patty's thin? No way. I would go five guys. Not a bad call. That's the kind of stuff we discuss. Discuss during the break. I'm here grinding away on gambling lines.

You're talking about hamburgers and fries. Okay. I see how you roll. Nobody beats the golden arts is for fries. Oh, nobody. I stop by their, on a regular basis in the summer when I need salt. I just stop by and get a mat and just eat them in the car, drive around. It's great. J-Mac with the news.

No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. When I need salt, I like that line. I'm going to start using that. Let's get started with Penn State, Colin. Not great. Not great at all.

James Franklin was fired six weeks ago, and they still don't have a hire. Here's where it gets dicey. There are reports that claim they've lost over 20 recruits from their recruited class. James Franklin went to Virginia Tech. 11 of those recruits followed him there to the Hokies. Currently, they only have two players committed to the class. No coach? Well, I don't like firing coaches mid-season.

I didn't like firing James Franklin. This is not about being right, but they were 13 and 3 or something like that last year. He had a bad stretch. Go ahead and criticize him. But you know what? He got the last laugh because Penn State, in the NIL era, you can overcome a disastrous recruiting class. But it's not good when Ohio State now is the best program in the country.

Oregon, USC just finished with the number one class. So it's a bad, bad look, and it's a cautionary tale. Even in the NFL, I don't like firing midseason. Like, I like what Miami did. Our GM's not the right guy. We're going to let two in Mike McDaniel play out. And I think Mike's a really smart guy and a good offensive coach. You start firing coaches.

All of a sudden, the assistant comes in, wins a couple games. and everybody wants the assistant. You really think the assistant at Old Miss is going to be as good as Lane Kiffin? Be very, very careful about this stuff. It's a tough one. I'll just say this. Pensake could turn it around easily, and yesterday, Clatt made a good point.

Maybe they're fishing after somebody who's still playing. I think that has to be the play. I don't think it's Kalin DeBore. I tried to do my homework on that. It seems like I just don't see that happen. That would be an unbelievable hire. Brian Daibble, open up the piggy bank. I think you, Brian Daibble will be a home run.

Now listen, this Mike Tomlin stuff feels like nonsense, but Mike Tomlin would crush it at Penn State if he wanted to go that route. By the way, I know that Old Miss Lane left Old Miss, so I don't want to lump that in there. But my take is everybody, you know, you got to be careful. And for the record, the reason guys like Lane left Tennessee after one year and everybody freaked out is because these programs, they have no mercy when they want to get rid of you. Well, guess what? sometimes the coach is going to get rid of you. And so when you see Lane Kiffin leaving early, Lane's theory, I believe, has always been.

I've been watching my colleagues and peers get fired in season, get dumped after decent seasons forever. I'm going to dictate terms. So James Franklin, basically when you fire a guy like that, you are telling every good coach, they'll can you after a three-game losing streak. Be very careful. No loyalty. There's no loyalty out there. I mean, I'm loyal to you.

Right. There's not loyalty anywhere else. All right, let's move on to Ben Johnson, Colin. Listen, I know he's your guy. We got to talk about them every show, but this week is a tough one. They got Matt LaFleur and Jordan Love. There was some smack talk in the offseason. Jordan Love said he heard the noise that Ben Johnson was barking, but he's not listening.

I'm not worried about those things that are said. You know, it's another game, obviously, you know, the Bears match up. We're always trying to win that game. They're number one in the NFC. So obviously we haven't played them yet. The only team in the NFC North we haven't seen. And, you know, two games in three weeks. So it would be a great matchup.

You know, they're a good team. And like we've always said, you know, it's that one and no mentality. Just handle business this week. All business for Jordan Love. You see that? No smiles, no jokes. My kind of guy. Yep.

No silliness. You flip-flop on that yet, or you go in Packers or Bears? Just going to say, I'm going to watch the game with great interest. Oh, wow. It's not a blazing five? Oh, man, that's disappointing. It's Thursday. It's Thursday.

A little chicken, huh? Huh? All right, final story, Colin. Let's go to, man, Mike Tomlin. So yesterday, Ben Rothusberger, okay? Yeah. Had his chime in on Mike Tomlin said it should be over. Well, today it's five-time pro bowler James Harrison.

You remember James Harrison, obviously, spent 10 years with Tomlin. Now, he's been a critic of his former coach. And here's Harrison going off on the Steelers after that disaster against the bills. I have never been a person that thought Coach Tomlin was a great coach. I thought he was a good coach. A good coach gets you to play to your potential. Well, I think Tomlin is a good coach. I think...

Timeout. Good coach? He's a Hall of Fame coach. Locke, correct? No, I don't want to say that. What? Tom is not a Hall of Famer? He doesn't want to playoff game in eight years. Okay, well, he had a career before that.

I'm just saying recently, and he's also young. He's got a long way to go. First of all, not that many coaches make the Hall of Fame. There's a really good coaches not in the Hall of Fame. Look it up. That would be a stop. I think Tomlin's, I mean, he's unbelievable. He's at a rough stretch.

Is Mike Shanahan in the Hall of Fame as a coach? I don't. Is he? He's not. It just feels weird. everybody's slandering Tomlin now Ben Rossesberger. It's over. James Harrison.

He's not a great coach. If I go eight years and don't compete in certain levels in any business, eight years without a playoff win? Not one? In fact, it's nine years since he went to the playoffs and won a game and scored a touchdown.

Like Greg Kossel came on the air 20 minutes ago. I asked him about the Steelers' offense. He's like, I don't know. Now this is a guy that's an expert watching film. He's like, I don't even know what I'm watching. Is that Tomlin or is that Arthur Smith, the offensive guy, and Aaron Rogers? The president of Fox Sports, eventually if somebody watched our broadcast and said, I don't know what they're doing.

Well, it's not my responsibility, right? I have to do my show. If a team, if you talk about a team and you say to yourself, yeah, I don't even know what I'm watching, eventually a head coach, a Jimmy Johnson, a Sean Peyton, Andy Reid, is responsible for the defense. He hires a coordinator, but he has to be responsible for the day-to-day play and execution and production of all his entire special teams, offense defense. Mike Shanahan's not a Hall of Famer. I mean, and didn't make the cut for 2026. Got a couple Super Bowls. His son's a great coach. Shanahan basically helped create a run system that has still

today is the most copied run system in the league. This idea that coaches just, hey, they made a couple Super Bowls. Hey, not a lot of coaches make the Hall of Fame. So, you know, this roster is not great. Tomlin ain't the GM. They tried to draft a quarterback Kenny Pickett. That was a flop. So then they went for Aaron Rogers.

Disaster. All this is on Tomlin? What about the GM? Is the GM catching no heat for trading pickings? Nobody's saying it's all on him. But the highest paid guy in the building is quarterback. You know who the second highest paid guy is oftentimes? Either a pass rush or head coach.

You're the boss. boss. Yeah. You know, you're the, you're, you know. So usually the boss has to fire lie lieutenants before he gets fired. How many OCs are we going to go through? How many running backs, receivers, quarterbacks? GMs.

Okay. All right. So you're ready. You're done with Tomlin. It's over? I think he'd get hired in a heartbeat somewhere else. I would defend him getting hired in, you know, wherever. Miami, uh, maybe it just got stale in Pittsburgh.

That's right. But I, first of all, you know, I mean, I just, I'm watching the same team for seven years. All I know is, Colin, you want to run him out. That's fine. I need a plan. I need a concrete plan. Because you're seeing what's happening at Penn State? Can you imagine if that happened to the Steelers and the NFL? One of the Blue Bloods? It's not going to happen in the

NFL. Your calendar's different. Well, I'm just saying, I mean, you better have a plan to hire a coach. You go from Mike Tomlin to, I don't know. What are you going to get? Ryan Dable. Might be good with it. We could hire. I don't think he's going to work with Aaron. He's done. He's not going to work with Aaron.

The table's going there with no quarterback. I'd go to Penn State. Good, good quarterback draft. You want a playoff game with Daniel Jones. It would be just fun. Boy, J&C Consulting's falling apart here. I don't know. This is Chapter 9, you know, chapter 11, whatever it's called.

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Cowboys play it tonight, cover in the NFL for 24 years. He's a friend Matt Mosley is joining us and he's joining us live. Good Days in Dallas. It is amazing. Between the George Pickens deal, the Quinn and Williams move, the Micah Trade, suddenly the whole world owes Jerry Jones an apology. You cover him. I see you whenever there's games and Jerry's talking. I see Matt Mosley, the intrepid journalist covering him.

As Jerry, Jerry's on a streak. He is hot. is he soaking in it right now? He very much is. And usually when you see me, it's this, right? That's what I'm kind of behind him. I like. That's my preferred state.

Your producers want me to go ahead and take these off, so I do that to honor them. But yeah, Jerry is feeling great about things. And boy, he is now openly talking about the playoffs. And it's been an amazing run for him. And I think there's Quinn and Williams saying, you know, it's amazing that Micah is having the kind of season he is. And if the Cowboys had continued down the path they were going, that would be the overriding story. Look at this guy blowing up.

He's incredible. And yet nobody in conversation around the Cowboys is saying anything about Micah because of the trades that Jerry has made. And I heard you're talking about Mike Tomlin earlier and whether he's Hall of Fame worthy and all of that. but boy Jerry put one on the Steelers is what it appears and that's now looking like one of the better trades of the past five years yeah who knows what pickens will be able to do but george but pickens is like literally stepped in across from cd lamb one of the great receivers in the NFL and pickens is at least this season clearly the best receiver on the team and he's rehabbed whatever image issues he had and now that's what jerry has to do is find a way to resign this guy

Yeah, hey, listen, nobody thought Brian Chautenheimer was a strong hire. How do you explain his success? Because I'm on the group that thought nobody else was after him. What do you think the secret sauce has been with Schottenheimer? Dax's playing better than he's ever played. No, each day he wakes up and he plays that one and done clip that you were saying, just to motivate himself. Look at him striding out there.

He, you know, he's way better with the media than Mike. that doesn't totally matter if you're not winning or losing. But boy, when they got on that streak and the Marshaun-Nieland tragedy, the way he handled that, I watched Jason Garrett handle a tragedy one time, and that was one of Garrett's finest moments. Yeah. This was an unbelievable moment for Schottenheimer because it showed his leadership. Dack was a great leader too, but Schottenheimer kind of drove everything.

He's handled it beautifully. And watch out for a team. that seems to be playing for something bigger than itself. And I think some of that's going on with these Dallas Cowboys right now in trying to honor their fallen teammate. You and I have both said, Dak Prescott's IQ, EQ, toughness, resilience, intangibles have always been A-plus-plus right out of Mississippi State.

I always thought he had an average arm. You know, I loved all the leadership. I didn't know how talented he was. I think he's having the best season. season I've ever seen. There's something, I don't know what it is. I don't know what the stats say. What do you make of what we're watching? I see a marriage between a new head coach we were just talking about and this player that has taken off. And I feel like they feed off each other. He relates better to him. And I think that was already the case even when McCarthy was still here.

So I think that's playing the role. And I just think he just feels, and again, you have an incredible duo. I thought it was great that Pickens took off when CD was out. And Pickens proved that he could kind of do it on his own. I think that also, you know, when he has a relationship with a tight end, with Ferguson, that's been a beautiful thing. But I think he's just, I mean, the maturity is there. It's always been there.

But the play and how comfortable he is and also just, the maturity of even when they get down. Now, they can't do that tonight. They need to not get off to one of those four starts. But even when they were down to the Eagles, even when they were down 21-0, the team responds to him, he rallies the team, and he's just in a great place. And in December, by the way, 21 and 8, with about a 97 QBR in his career, we think, because the Cowboys were bad in the playoffs, right, that, oh, man, he's not good at this

time of year. He's actually really good in December. And I hear people saying, boy, this is a playoff game tonight. Now, I don't know if that's good for the Cowboys. The Cowboys should play that part of it down. But the Cowboys have been in desperation mode going back three or four weeks now, and they seem to be performing really well in that mode. And if they win tonight, then we can have a serious discussion about the playoffs because it goes up there around, oh, like 41 to 45 percent, according to all the simulations. Okay, I got a minute left. Texas Longhorns probably don't make the playoff.

Do you think they'll alter their schedule and start calling up weaker teams, or was that kind of a threat that Texas is big and they'll keep scheduling big teams? Well, they've got to play these things out, and that will last through like 2007. They'll honor those contracts, but you're already seeing teams. start to pull out of these games moving forward. So I think they will respond to that. You know, I would just say, before we get too caught up in all of that, maybe don't go to OT.

I mean, they had kind of a miracle to come back and beat Mississippi State. Is that a good Mississippi State team? It's not. Kentucky. They had to come back and they had to pull that one out in overtime. So give them credit for pulling the games out. but I would say they played pretty poorly in about half their games this year. So this is not a year some incredible Longhorn team is getting left on the sideline.

They've had some great wins. They've had some great wins. And they do well in rivalry games. Give them that. I mean, they put down the great Aggies. Yeah. And they had the other one against Oklahoma. But this is not one of the great Longhorn teams of all time.

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