The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - Stefon Diggs

Episode Date: July 6, 2023

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Oh, here we go. Hour number two. Live in L.A. It's the hurt. Wherever you may be in, however, you may be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day. Did you watch a fireworks show? Jay Mack, you were here in California.

Did you watch one? I was on a plane in Orlando, Florida, stuck at the airport for two hours. So I did not get to see the fireworks. My flight got delayed 30 minutes last night. I could not say the last. I fly Delta. Very good airline. Excellent airline. So it was only 30 minutes. Love that airline. But my friends who fly and sometimes choose not to fly that airline, all they do is complain about airlines. Yeah. Well, I'll say JetBlue, I thought, was pretty good. They had a really good, robust movie selection.

Yeah. I watched like four movies. Like Ant Man on the Wasp, not bad. The Beast, Idris Elba? I don't know if you've seen that, like a lion attacking people? No, I haven't. Decent? I watched Casablanca. Again, have you seen that? Uh, no, I watched, um, you got to check that out. I watch that is a classic. Dark Waters with Mark Rufino. God, that's powerful. I watched it last night for the second time. You ever seen that? Dark water. What's the, it's about a, it's a true story about a legendary, uh, I forget the name of the real attorney that took on DuPont and has been their worst nightmare for 30, 40 years.

Sounds heavy. Yeah, DuPont was doing some bad stuff, chemicals in the water and, you know, you had some really bad stuff happening to human beings. It's a... Debbie Downer's story. Oh, I love Debbie Down. Really? Yeah, I'm a very optimistic guy at work, very depressed at home. I just sit and watch dark movies. I suggest pivoting and checking out super bad tonight if you have a chance.

I mean, by the way, I'm just telling you, that movie is hilarious. Still, it holds up after 15 years. It's all like the potty humor that teens do. And like, I don't want to just go back sometimes and just rewatch funny movies. Yeah, I don't. Super bad. I watch documentaries and real life. I don't like escapism much.

Really? Why would I want to escape from this? I love my kids. I'm on a plane. You want to escape from being on a plane. Yeah, yeah. You are, all your movies are fun, and my movies are dark and sad and real life, and that's the difference between us.

Sometimes I have to take you aside and tell you about real life, and you're like, you see it, man. You see lost. Real quick, airplane question, lady behind me with a kid crying for a lot of the flight. I have the headphones on. I don't really hear it. But I lean my chair back. Yeah. Are you lean your chair back? No, I'm not. Okay. I'm not. This was not first class. I had a cat. And I thought like, geez, should I just not lean my chair back? Because the person has a baby who's crying behind me. And ultimately I decided I'm going to lean my chair back. The person in front of me leaned theirs back. But was that out of bounds or no? You couldn't lean it back. I don't, but people do. That's okay. You have a right to. Yeah. I had a cat behind me me meowing for two hours, but that's life. Hey, if you sometimes you've got to travel with difficult,

Pets. I want to start this hour with this. So, and this is a, you know, we're kind of waiting for camps to start, right? And we're waiting for the dame trade and camps to start. And I think an interesting team that has a decision to make is the Chicago Bears. I think are very interesting. And so, you know, when a team is trying to figure out if their quarterback is the guy, they always blame people. It should be noted, Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert behind atrocious offensive

lines were great really quickly. And the Bears O line last year was middle of the pack. Sorry, it wasn't atrocious. So two years in with Justin Fields, he's completing 59% of his throws, almost as many picks as touchdowns, and a bad passer rating. He's a bad quarterback. He's also 1 in division. The O line is not a disaster.

They've hit on a couple of the young ones. The tight end group, wide receiver group now. four really good players. I won't count Chase Claypool. Mooney, DJ Moore, Cole Komet, Robert Tanya, very productive, good players. No more excuses. Backs are more than serviceable. But here's the tricky part. And I watched this with Cam Newton a little bit, is that Cam was a highlight guy and a YouTube guy, but struggled on basic stuff. And it's easy. The fans in the media fall for sensational. And what it becomes is like a bad action movie, two hours, three really good scenes surrounded by crap. Nothing against Cam.

Cam could not complete enough passes. Never had back-to-back winning seasons. But people fell for the spectacular. And let me give you three quarterbacks who had a lot of spectacular and struggled completing passes and all turned the corner. Josh Allen, Jalen Hertz, and Lamar Jackson. They were highlight quarterbacks, YouTube guys. And then by year two, year three, they became accurate throwers of the football. Cam never did.

Cam never did. Go look, 57, 58, 59, it matters. And by the way, Jalen Hertz does not sacrifice any of the spectacular. Either does Lamar and either does Josh. but if you go back and look at Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, by the way, in his last three years, completes 65% of his passes. That's the league average.

Jalen Hertz, 66.5%. Above the league average. Again, when you're spectacular athletically, Josh Allen hurts Lamar. I'm not asking you to complete 69%. You got to get to the league average. average. And then if you can add the spectacular, then you're a star franchise guy. Lamar Jackson was a highlight guy, year one, 58%. Last four years, 64% and spectacular.

So I think Justin Field's very interesting. We got two years. I watch guys with Warsaw lines perform at a higher level. Luke Getsy more than capable as an OC. Two very productive tight ends now. DJ Moore, Mooney, nice, wide receiver tandem. I won't count the inconsistent and possibly regressing Chase Claypool. Won't even count him, though I think he's a capable three, big, strong, capable three out of Notre Dame. But the league average is 65%. Right now, Justin Fields is not close.

And either way, I'm not against spectacular athlete guy, Josh Allen, Jalen, Lamar. They've all become excellent franchise. guys, all top six or seven in the league. But they moved from spectacular to also league average, just getting the ball completed. That ends up being about six passes that hit the grass, hit the dirt. You got it. No more excuses. So I'm very interested.

Minnesota shouldn't be as good. Green Bay won't be as good. Detroit will be better. This should be a playoff team. They are more than capable. Yes, the defense isn't great. Not a lot of great defenses in the NFL. San Francisco's is, and the Chiefs and the Eagles could go up and down the field on it.

And in the end, got to win on the offensive side of the ball. You don't, hey, Buffalo's had a great defense. They're regressing. Kansas City played nine rookies. They won the Super Bowl. All right. So sometimes it looks like something's happening. I don't know it to be true, and I don't, I didn't get a callback when I called a source yesterday.

But you ever see something and you're kind of suspicious, a little suspicious. So if you look at the Golden State Warriors, they do not have a player over 6'9. Not one. Chris Paul, very good with Biggs pick and roll. Surplus of guards. Mooney. Chris Paul, Steph. The rookie, Gary Payton.

Surplus of guards. No size. Boston moves off Marcus Smart and Brogden's hurt. They need a guard and they have plenty of size. Call me crazy. But Boston is not a championship team. I do not believe in the east. Their current situation at guard.

Just don't believe they are. with Brogdon's injury and moving off Marcus Smart, they're not good enough. There's too many guys who's going to defend Jalen Brunson when he comes to town? The Knicks are not that far behind now. You've got your Donovan Mitchells. You got a lot of top guards. You can't have a backup there.

You can't get abused at that position. Golden State's got a surplus. They need size. Boston has size. Jemak? I can feel it. The Celtics are up to something. accumulating picks.

They're not going to get Dame. I don't think it's a Dame move. And I'm not sure Dame would fit. He'd take the ball out of everybody's hands. I'm not sure that's it. Dame doesn't necessarily elevate others. He elevates himself and a team. But something is amiss.

You cannot, with Denver and the Lakers side, we watch the Lakers size wear down Golden State. Denver's size. They were a bad matchup. I talked to scouts about a potential Golden State. Denver matchup. They're like terrible matchup for Golden State. So they are small with a surplus of guards. You've got size in Boston with no guards that you would start today. Doesn't it feel like something's happening? The only problem is, like, are you really trading Robert Williams, your rim protector?

Horford's not. He's not a rim protector. He can defend and he can switch and he can hit threes. But I just, I don't remember, Brad Stevens is a guy who ushered in positionless basketball. to be Robert Williams. Horford's size a little. Something's going to happen here. Okay, so Horford goes to the Warriors and who are the Warriors giving the Celtics? Youth, a guy that's not going to take the ball to Jalen Brown's hands, but is a willing defender from a smart culture. And that is? I don't know. Moses Moody, maybe, somebody else. I mean, Horford's making like 35 mil. I just, this positionless basketball idea where it's like, hey, we've got, guys who can handle wings and bigs.

It's not like we need a point guard to initiate the offense. Wasn't Boston like one of the highest scoring teams in the league this year? Their offense is not the problem. They basically just, you know, they started 03 against Miami, dug out of that hole and then lost game seven. Tatum got hurt in the first five minutes. Are we overreacting to Boston not getting back to the finals? That's your opinion is that offense isn't a problem.

But Porzingis is more of an offensive player. They added him. They moved off Marcus Smart more of a defensive player. Or did they move off Marcus Smart because he was soaking up too much of the leadership in the locker room, a veteran and older guy, kind of gruff. And hey, you know what? It's Jason Tatum's time. He's 25.

He's ready to assume a leadership role. We know he's one of the top five, six players in the league. He can be the leader of our locker room. I'm more bullish on Tatum than you. I kind of like how we have this stock game. We're like, if Tatum were a stock, I'm all in. I'm loaded up on Tatum. I'm probably buying every day shares of Jason Tatum.

You were just like lukewarm on that. I just don't believe Golden State's done. I just don't think they are. I think they're going to get a big. Well, they had a big in Wiseman, and they had to move them. That was a maturity issue. They also won the championship that year. He didn't fit their timeline.

I'm not, they're going to go get a big with experience. They do not have a player. If Moody, if Kavon Looney got hurt. Draymond's their biggest player. Kuminga, can he play any five? I mean, he's like six, eight. he's hyper athletic okay oh this just hit me so they don't have a big to handle yokech the lakers had one in anthony davis and he didn't do anything like he could not slow him down it's not just

yokech it size is important it's just they didn't match up at all with the lakers and by the way with aitin and durant and and by the way did you see what the sons did they went and got depth and size on the bench like phoenix now's big denver's big lakers big by the way stephenham's Clark come back. Memphis is big. Okay. So I'll ask you a team in the West. You tell me if they got better or worse this offseason. Warriors. I think they're just older.

So worse. Getting older in the NBA's not better. Yeah, I think they're older. Lakers. Better. Sons. Better. Okay. Take your time on this one. The Nuggets. They're fine. I think that the kid from Kansas who played, Brown leaves. Brown was like end of the game, final five minutes.

He's on the court. not saying it was a great loss, but I think the Kansas kid, the rookie will step up, add 10%, he's fine. Sacramento Kings? Probably because more experience, better.

Their young players will be better. Sacramento's better. Golden State older. Houston Rockets. See, you're probably not there yet. Better. Better team. They got Boston's old coach,

who flipped the culture kind of there. Van Vleet's a good player. Defensively. Yeah. San Antonio, better. Dallas Mavericks. Oh, you're just so anti-Kyrie. No, I'm just to, if you look at the West, like 12 teams improved.

And the Warriors did not. That worse. Clippers. They couldn't, they didn't do anything. They're waiting on James Hardin. I'm just, it's weird right now. Warriors, Clippers seem to be sagging in the West a little bit. What are the Clippers better?

Are you afraid of the Clippers right now in a series? Let's just talk Warrior Celtics. Both are not as good today, arguably. Now, I do think the way the Warriors look at it is, chemistry is better and maturity is better with Chris Paul. So they think their second unit is better. That's fine. Second units don't win titles.

That's good for the regular seats. Second units don't win titles. Draymond's older, Clay's older, Steph's older. They're older. That's your starting roster. That's your 36 minutes right there. So their backup, their second unit's better. I don't, but that's not winning champ.

Denver's Benz didn't win the championship. It was like 13th out of 16 teams in scoring. So to me, Boston, they got to do something. Golden States got to do something. There's no proof that Porzingis makes him better. He gets hurt. He's not a locker room guy.

There's no proof. He'll take shots away from Jalen Brown on some nights. Out on Porzengis? Wow. Not out. I just, you know. He just said he's not a locker room guy. He's been somewhat disruptive in his career.

He struggled again. There's a reason he bounces around the league. league. There's a reason there was like outcry when Marcus Smart left. Great locker room guy, Porzingis bounces. When guys start bouncing around the league, Dennis Schrooter, there's usually a reason. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week within the IHeart radio app. Search herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like. Imagine an Olympics where doping is not only legal, but encouraged. It's the enhanced games. Some call it grotesque. Others say it's unleashing human potential.

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He was just talking during the break. His son's going to the Summer League in Vegas, which is actually a lot of fun. Now, it's a little bit of people get a little delusional if a guy drops 38 points. There's a lot of average players there. But Wembe Nyama debuts Friday, right? Doesn't he debut Saturday? Friday. It's sold out, too.

Sold out. Sold out. Because he's playing number two pick, Miller. Oh, Brandon Miller. He's playing them. They play Charlotte. So it's been sold out for the past. week, maybe week and a half.

Can't wait. Yeah. So go back to your career. Wembe Nyama is viewed as somebody that will get into the 20s like a LeBron rookie year. Best rookie you ever competed against or played with, and did you know immediately in Summer League or in camp? Best rookie I ever competed against is LeBron James.

By far. It's not even close. So you remember the rookie year? Not even close. Do you remember the first game? I don't much remember the first game. but what I remember about it was that one, he's big, he was big, and he was smart. Like everything we did, he had something to it.

It wasn't as efficient. Right. But you can tell, I always tell people this all the time. When I'm coaching my son, I'm coaching kids, I say, listen, I don't care about your missed shots, but if you got a kid that can create his own shots at a very young age, he's going to be dangerous if he studies the game. Right, right, right. Because some people can't get their own shots.

JJ Reddick, one of the best shooters ever. When he was younger, I don't know if he could he create his own shots or did he need picks? Well, I had a scout has told me this before. He goes, if you really examine the league, how many players can get not only their own shot, but a good look every time. Yes. He's like there's 15 guys in the league. Right. And he's like a really good shot.

Right. So JJ Reddick, Rip Hamilton, Ray Allen. Ray was more of an off-the-dribble guy more than those, too. But, like, you look at them and, like, wait, they're great shooters, but they need other guys to pin down. Jason Tatum can get his own shot. Right. And when I see kids do that, 13, 14, I'm like, whoa, now you just got to study,

because now it just becomes, it becomes, you become more efficient in your game. But you spotted LeBron's IQ immediately. I mean, he's just, everything he does, and I think Tracy McGrady said this. They were asking Tracy McGrady about LeBron and Kobe, and who would win one verse one. And Tracy was like, I would give the edge to Kobe. Well, Kobe, because Kobe's more of an offensive one-on-one player. LeBron James is a five-on-five savant.

Yeah. He just like sees everything. So he'll make us four right here, or if it's five of us, he'll make us four of us right here. We go to playoffs with him because he just knows how to make everybody feel good. Well, Kobe didn't always elevate others. Right. I say that about Dame. He's only had one year of over-eight assists.

can make the team better and himself better. LeBron makes every teammate back. Matthew Delavadova got paid. Delavadova. And hasn't played since. Yeah. Everybody gets paid. Has it played since.

That's why everybody loves. Right, Jay. If Austin Reeves is playing for the Wizards, Austin Reeves with LeBron, everybody's like, how about that? And I'm like, how about that? Four-year college guy 10 a game. I like Austin. Everybody with LeBron looks great.

I thought Mike Miller was done. I thought he was vacationing in Europe. He goes to a heat team and hits buckets. But you know what's funny about Austin Reeves? I'm not saying that if he goes somewhere else, that he'll be just as good or better. All I'm saying is when he's playing with somebody with such a high IQ and is very anal with this game and understands the game like LeBron,

LeBron's a computer. Yeah. Okay? He's like quantum physics. He's like, no, seriously, he's that smart. But Austin Reeves, when he plays with him, you can see that LeBron trust him so much because Austin thinks high level.

Well, and Austin also played in college for years. Right. That's why LeBron's got very little interest. Even Andrew Wiggins, won and done at Kansas. LeBron's like, no, thanks. Give me Kevin Love. All right. Give me Chris Bosch.

If you look at who LeBron's work with, and he worked with Kyrie, but Kyrie had been in the league several years. LeBron's got no interest in no matter how talent you are at a 19-year-old. No. But Austin Reeves comes out of Oklahoma. He's like 25 years old. And he's played a lot of games. Right.

College. So to your point, I think, by the way, Alex, Caruso was another guy. LeBron liked playing. High IQ. Just certain guys, the spacing, they know where to be and where not to be. So, listen, I like Dame. But this whole idea that if he doesn't go to Miami, he's going to be unhappy, Dame's going to go somewhere.

The fans will love him. He'll hit a bunch of baskets. He'll score a bunch of points. I don't buy that Portland has to send him to Miami. He's not a powder. He's not a villain. It's not who Dame is. If he went to Philadelphia and the fans,

He'd make it work. Like I don't buy, I'm hearing now, if he doesn't go to Miami, he'll be very unsatisfied. I want, I'm Portland. I'm not getting Tyler Hero and picks. I need something. Right. You got to get me, I mean, I've got to get me something. Okay, so this is a tricky thing about Dame, Jay.

You think about this, Colin. Dame is amazing in Portland. Yeah. What's scary is that if you leave Portland, the pressure, the true pressure that will be put on you when you leave Portland. So if you go to Miami, big pressure. The culture is different than Philadelphia. Oh, totally.

You got a Joel Embed who shoots more jump shots than he does dominate down low. So you got two people shooting jumpers. So you're picking rows, yeah, you're going to stretch the floor. But at the end of the day, I'm a little nervous if you go to Philly. I'm not as nervous as you go to Miami because the culture and the grittiness. But Max Struis, Gabe Vince. as an eight seed got to the finals, they're not going to be satisfied

getting knocked out by Boston in the playoffs. For a fact. Boston, the standard for Miami is higher than any franchise in that city by a mile. And they just had an eight seed get to the finals. So think about the psychological. You know I always call my psychology.

You do. Dane came from a really, it was a grit, right? Mid-major, fought his way to the top. Weber state. Right, so he knows what hard work is. when you go to Portland, I'm not saying that, was it Terry Scouts? Yeah, Terry Stott.

Yeah. Terry was great. Yeah. More layback. So Dame, he made himself and then he got there. Was he really challenged? I don't think so. You go to Pat Riley.

Then when you were that kid that were fighting to become something, Pat Rowley's culture reignites you and boots you back up because Jimmy Butler's not going for it, right? He's pushing bam. He's pushing this. Pat's in the front office. Eric Sporster's the best coach. But if you go to Philly, I just see lackadaisical. So you may drift into that mold because we're all creatures of habits and our surroundings.

So I'd rather you go to Miami because now what it's going to bring out is going to bring out that hunger dame when he's 15, 17, 20 that everybody didn't count on me. And now and I got these guys pushing that line that's inside out. That's what I think. Okay, so I saw this story this morning that Draymond Green throughout the season tried to initiate chemistry with Jordan Poole and he wouldn't have it. And so they moved off Jordan Poole. But I said there's not a player over 6-9 on this roster. Everybody in the West feels better. I don't love Dallas's moves.

J-Mack does, but they've added pieces, wings, defenders. So Golden State's just older. Now, I do think Chris Paul makes the second unit better, but that doesn't drive you to a championship. It's your first six guys. That's, you know, what do they say? You play eight, but really seven matter. So Chris Paul, I think, makes the second unit better. They get pool out.

Tell me this whole, because I've seen it fail, Pippin and Barclay. Established stars, Steph and Chris Paul, different games. And there is this feeling that they're smart guys, they'll make it work. But I watch Pippin and Barclay, establish, go to Houston. It didn't work. Like just didn't work. Okay, so I was a part of that. So I can tell you about that one.

I'm going to say, how do I know, did you know instantly, Barkley Pippen, not going to work? Because Chris Paul and Steph, those are opposite games and opposite personalities. Okay, so really quick. Oh, I don't take your time on it because I remember that team. No, think about this. We're going to get to Chris Paul and we're going to get the Steph in a second. Scottie Pippen is what? Pass first type of point forward.

Slasher. Right. But he's, even when Mike wasn't there for those couple of years, he wasn't averaging 30-something, but everybody in the team contributed. But he was still the top guy. You got a young Tony Kukot. You had younger guys, but they were aggressive, which is good. The triangle, right? And then the defense, the whole thing. Scotty needed Mike, just like Mike needed Scotty. Right. You go to Houston, you have an old Charles, not an older, an old Charles. Yeah. And that Charles, Scotty would have worked with whenever it was Charles of 94, 93. It wasn't that Charles.

Charles is older. You know what I mean? Social life. Didn't want to practice. It wasn't that. So Scottie would, then, Charles would have did well because Scotty was okay with passing Charles and letting Charles dominate. But when you're that old, dominating is not your thing no more.

You're kind of in and out. And Scottie's used to. Scotties used to excellent. He wasn't playing back to backs. He wasn't even coming to practice sometimes. Charles wasn't doing. You know what I'm saying? So Scott was like, yo, I'm coming to practice.

What are you doing? Right? And you're like, oh, coming in, you know, I don't know what you did the night before. Those type of things. Now, let's go to Chris Paul. Chris Paul and Steph and Clay. What was two of the main things that the warriors for years struggled on?

Turnovers and rebounding. Okay, we can live with the rebounding, but the turnovers is what changes games. time. And Chris doesn't commit a lot of them. There you go. So now let Chris facilitate with Draymond, with the pick and rolls. And maybe comminga. You're going to make comminga better. Chris makes all young guys better. So you can make comminga beggar. Now you have Steph and Clay doing something they were doing stay with kids. Just running around, passing, cutting, shooting, spreading the floor for Chris. But they're not, Steph's not a pick and roll guy. And maybe the

warriors are saying we need that to be more of an element in our game as Steph ages and Chris provides it right and so now you're saving years for Steph and Clay because they don't have to do as much on the ball especially Steph so now Steph is can hide more and even if you do that now Chris with the pick and rolls with camina and draymond and then Clay's on one side it's easier for you like like Kevin Durant I love kev but it was easy for him in golden state Because you have a guy over here and a guy over here that no one would leave and you're seven feet tall, isowing people. They weren't an ISO team until Kevin got there. Yeah.

Right? So now you have Kevin in the middle or Kevin in the wing and you have Steph at the top or Clay at the top and the other guys over here. When you're going to help? No one's helping. That's why it's easy. So when you go to Brooklyn and you go to all these cases. It's going to be so much easier for Steph and Clay and Kaminga and Andrew Wiggins. Right?

So people don't think that's going to happen. if you can play with each other and people will argue with me about this in the Olympics and you and dominate in every because you know everybody's personality Chris knows people's personality is Chris hard to deal with yes he is but guess what that's any leader you're hard to deal with you got here you're not listening to everybody you pushed your way through you pushed your way through there was a lot of adversity that was happening but you start to listen more to yourself and then everybody started to respect your word because now they see that what you were saying oh it mattered oh it made sense oh it's successful so let's just go with that and that's

how chris is when chris comes into the game i don't care if it's lebrown anybody else colby anybody else guess who's handling that ball coming up to court chris jason kid that's who's handling the ball and he's going to let them do their thing i like that that's just my opinion right he's a he's a true point guard. He's going to make sure that Steph eats, Clay eats, Caminga eats, Andrew Wiggins eats, Drayman eats, it's going to be that. And hopefully, Kaminga finally eats.

We're waiting for that. So now only thing you got to think about is Chris is he going to stay healthy. He may, because he got Steve Kerr, Steve Kerr's from Kirk, Breck Popovich. He's going to save his body. Boom, boom, boom, you don't know. By Kerr signing off on it, is Kerr acknowledging that

Curry in Kaminga, Curry will never be able to pull the best out of Camingo. No. And Steve Kerr is saying, Michael didn't pull the best out of every teammate, right? Right, right. He and Pippen worked brilliantly together. So Steve Kerr's basically saying, Chris Paul, we're not trading Comingo. We already moved off Wiseman.

We like Moody. People like comminga around the league. We got to make commingo work. You got to. And Steph's not going to elevate him. But Chris will. Because really, the one thing you can say is, They'll turn the ball over less with Chris Paul over pool.

I'm telling you. The only thing that makes them significantly better is if Cominga finally becomes a 17, 18, 20-pointed game guy and are the Warriors acknowledging he's not going to get there with Steph. It's not a knock on Steph. It's a stylistic reality. For a fact. Chris will elevate Cominga to an entire...

We're concentrating on Chris. It's the Chris Cominga piece that will elevate the team. DeAndre Aten. What is DeAndre Aten? Is that his name? For the sons, yeah. Right. So guess what?

He pushed him. Because if Chris wasn't there, it would have been a bus. It was a bust. How about this one? Chris irritated the heck out of Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan. Where'd they go? Where they, since playing with Chris, what have they done? Nothing.

Exactly. Chris, he may be annoying, I'm telling you, but at the end of the day, he gets the best out of you. He makes your life easier. It's just easier. Who made your life easier in the NBA? Was there a player that you felt literally made your life easier? I think not so much as the NBA. I think my stepfather did that.

I think understanding that life is not about you, you're a part of it. And then when you join a team, right? So I played quarterback. I was a boxer. So my trainer in boxing my dad, right? So if I got to listen to him, well, I'm going to get knocked out, right? So in football, my offensive line, I got to make sure. And I got to have a run game if I'm going to pass that ball.

Right. Right. I just can't keep running. So your stepdad instilled sort of an understanding of community. Community, family, respect, respect each other, the microphone, respect the table, respect the things that are around you because it makes everything whole, right? Because if you don't do that, then you're taking great things. You can do it yourself then.

It's like a mother and the father, the whole battle with that, right? A mom needs a dad, a dad needs a mom. Right. So make the child. You can't just do it yourself. Only one, Mary. There was only one of them. Yeah.

Everything else, we need each other. So when you understand that part, especially in some situations like this, like sports, things like that, that's when you start to gel in. In a roundabout way, he just told me why I don't like the Mavericks. Luke and Kyrie play like they don't need anybody. It drives me crazy. Yeah. You got it.

Yokic needs people, Janus, needs people. And they acknowledge it. Oh, it's their... They acknowledge it, right? Like, for Luca, I think he's the most talented. but when you don't take care of your body like you should, that to me means you, you can care,

but do you care? Right. You understand? Like, you can care because now I'm going to look bad if I don't play well, but I can still get past, like, Luca can get past it with like a beer belly.

Oh, he'll score 30 games. A beer belly. It goes back to. Jake, keep it a buck. And you're a workout guy. No,

I tell my daughter when she interviews for a job, don't ask about vacation time. I'm not saying you're not going to work on. Nobody wants to hear. Hey, how many weeks? Save that for the fourth interview if you crushed the previous three. Why do you need a vacation?

That's right. Hey, I can't remember the last time I took one outside of yesterday. Until you're older, why are so many young people needing a vacation? Thank you. Meditate in the morning for five to ten minutes. That's your vacation. What are we doing? That's right.

How many vacations are you going to do? This guy? Wait a minute. He lives on a cruise ship. Catino, you're telling me you don't want. You want to take vacations when you're young? I'll take vacations 10 minutes every single morning. Yeah, this is the way to live right.

Why are you taking vacations to you're younger? To see the world, the beautiful world? Yeah, okay. You live on the beach in L.A. Yes, what is this guy doing? I love him. He looks at sunsets in Peru every night. He's doing curls.

He breaks up in the morning, good looking, doing curls, got the beautiful families. And all he cares about is getting on a cruise show. What are we doing? He follows me on Instagram. I can't even get in. This guy to follow me. Listen, I love you guys. I follow both of you guys.

I love it. Too busy working. All right, where are we at? Gatino Mowgli. I love it. So good today. Great to see you. Back with Heard line in a second.

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best go head to head as the Braves take on the rays or the Mariners take on the Astros. It all starts at 7 Eastern on Fox. Check for the game in your area. And with that, J-Mack with the news. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. So Cotino Mobley had some thoughts on Dame Lillard, his trade request. I don't know how you feel, coward, but this whole like Dame only wants to go to the heat thing. just strikes me as a little out of character for him.

Picking a team that just went to the NBA finals? Like, I only want to go there. It just seems weird. I'm not sure if I totally buy it. Well, Miami's got no state tax. He knows Bam really well. He can compete for a championship. Spos a great coach.

I think Dame looks at it and thinks, I got the money, I got the legacy, I'll be a Hall of Famer. What I don't have is winning. In Philadelphia's history recently is dysfunctional. Miami is totally functional, overachieves. So if I was Damon, you're asking me where I'd want to go, I'd want to have Pat Riley as my GM and Spoh as my coach. So if anyone out there took shots at Kevin Durant for going to the Warriors,

or LeBron going to the Miami Heat, isn't this the same thing? I only want to go to the Miami Heat. Dame Lillard is saying, that's where I'm going. How is this different? Because this was an eight seed that overachieved. This doesn't feel like it's rigged. They were in the bubble. finals. They're seen as a team that's done it with culture over just buying players. That team that got to the finals in the bubble was a bunch of kids. This was an eight seed.

So you're seen as the Peace Day resistance. You're seen as sort of the icing on a really solid structural cake. KD was seen as like, okay, they just won without him. No, no, they just lost to a healthy calves. And they did not have LeBron. But they had a title without him. They had the best back court ever. As the argument goes, the calves lost. I don't think Kevin Love played in that series, the first one, because of the shoulder. Kyrie got hurt in overtime of game one. So it was basically LeBron and some dudes against the Warriors, and they beat him. And then the next year, they lost to the Healthy Cavs. So they needed Kevin Durant.

I know they won 73 games, but they needed him, Colin. He was the finals MVP. Hard to sell that to the public. Well, the public is pretty dumb. I'm sorry, guys. The public, like, get a clue. Adam Silver was upset. KD. went to the Warriors because he thought it hurt competitive.

So should Adam Silver be upset that Dame Lillard, one of the best players in the league, top 15, top 10, wants to go to a team that just went to the NBA final? No. It doesn't feel the same. Dame has got about two good years left. He's a smaller player. He's not as dominating as KD. This team gets to finals but can't quite win it. They've been dominated in two finals they get to.

So he's the added piece. Warriors want to ring without him. They want to ring after him. They had multiple Hall of Fame players. Just to be clear, I'm fine for all these guys moving. Go wherever you want. Mobility, right? We've talked about that a ton.

Like, I had no issues with Durant wanted to go anywhere, even though he doesn't like me now. Next up, the NBA implementing an in-season tournament this year. It's official. All teams will participate. There will be six groups. Apparently, it's going to be announced on Saturday. Cool. Now, here is the coolest thing.

The date for this, Colin, is Las Vegas December 7th and 9th. A lot of people are going to say, well, why December? That's football season. The weekend before that is college football championship weekend. I looked it up, the SEC title game and all those. They're the weekend before. So college football ends the next weekend you have your NBA in-season tournament. I think this is a damn good job by the league.

I like the fact, you know, like baseball, let's speed the game up. Baseball in the last, this year, has made fundamental changes, a little bit of pushback, but the games are now 25 minutes faster, attendance up ratings up. The NFL has always been willing to make big bold moves. I like that basketball and Adam Silver, I mean, David Stern once went and got a new ball, but I like the idea of change, and I think you have to, as we become with the iPhone, less patient, we want urgency, we want scores, we want games, we want now, speed stuff up, create constant urgency.

This tournament will feel like urgency in the middle of the season. Yeah, I'm 100% with that. And by the way, you know the NBA has like a great burst at the beginning of the season. Right. And at the end. And then there's like, bye. And, well, Christmas is supposedly in a big end. So this will be like a bridge between the beginning of the season and Christmas.

Final story, real quick. DeAndre Hopkins still on the market. Belich to report put together a list of teams they believe would be instant playoff contenders if they added Hopkins. And they listed the Falcons, Panthers, Bears, Bears, Texans, and Patriots. is DeAndre Hopkins the missing piece for any of these teams? I think the Panthers, I do think with the Panthers,

with a rookie quarterback, they've got some secondary pieces. I think in Carolina, he could really be, you know, the difference between seven wins and eight or nine. Seven wins for Carolina? I like him more than you. I think he's the difference

between them not making the playoffs and potentially being a wild card team. Their top three receivers are Thielen, DJ, Shark, and Terrence Marshall Jr. Yeah, they're all number twos. And so let's get a one. I think he works for them. I do.

Jay McLean News. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. Also, I don't think you have to give, and it's also with Carolina and Frank Reich. It's a good room. I don't know. I like it. I like it to Carolina. Hour three next.

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