The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - Super Bowl bubble, next Steelers head coach

Episode Date: January 14, 2026

Colin lists his teams who are on the Super Bowl bubble NFL reporter Albert Breer joins the show to share who Mike Tomlin’s replacement in Pittsburgh might be as well as the other 8 head coach openings across the NFLSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two and a Wednesday. Albert Breyer in a couple of minutes. I saw Brooks Kepka, my guy, going back to the tour. Not going to be eligible for some of the money, but he can still take all of it. The Masters, the U.S. Open and the British Open. So I didn't have a problem when he left for Liv. I don't have a problem him coming back.

I like watching him play. The more he's on my TV, the happier I am. It's the way I feel about Bryson DeShambo and Rory McElroy. Tiger Woods in his prime. You're on my TV. I'm happy. I don't care who you play for. I mean, the PGA doesn't control my three favorite tournament.

My three favorite tournaments, Masters, U.S. Open, British Open. FedEx Cup's fine. But I'm glad he's back, and I'm okay with that he left. All right, I do this. This will be, I always have about five or six teams in my Super Bowl bubble. A lot of those teams like Kansas City or in New England in their dynasty, that we don't have that this year. In fact, maybe the best teams, Buffalo, we don't know.

And are they a Super Bowl team? So eight teams left. I'm going to tell you how many teams I think are capable of winning the Super Bowl. That's a lot of wins from today. So we'll start with the Rams. Number one scoring offense, number one total offense in the NFL, and they are healthy. Okay? They're healthy.

And that offense is lethal. Matt Stafford's always been good in the playoffs, six and two with the Rams, 107 passer rating. I don't love their special teams, but one of the teams that matched up very well against them, Philadelphia, with A.J. Brown, a problem for their corners, they're out.

By the way, Carolina matched up well with them twice. Two big boundary receivers. The Rams are a Super Bowl bubble team. The second one I would put in, New England. Folks, they've won 14 of the last 15 games, top five coach. They also lead the NFL in yards per play, including the playoffs. That's what the wise guys like. And I said this yesterday.

Here's where they remind me of the old Patriots. A mature, tall, accurate quarterback, a defense tough guy at coach, Josh McDaniel coordinator, Robert Kraft owner, and those Patriot teams didn't have any major holes. They weren't the best at a lot of things other than quarterback, but they didn't have a lot of holes. I don't know what the hole on the Patriots is. I do think they have to continue to modify the O line, but they don't have a lot of holes. They may not be great at anything. Are they terrible at anything? I have New England capable of getting and winning a Super Bowl. The third team, I think, can get in as the Seahawks. Again, they won 11 of 12, only lost two points

in a turnover play game against the Rams. Number four scoring offense, you can't run the football on them, so they force you to throw, well, that can be problematic if you're playing in Seattle, and it's raining in January sideways. I think their coach is the defensive version of Sean McVeigh. They can score early, they can score late. Sometimes they're a little dependent on JSN-wide receiver. Okay.

But again, I don't know where their hole is. Well, Darnold throws picked. So does Brock Purdy and Matt Stafford, folks. So did Peyton Manning. I think the Seahawks are an obvious choice capable of getting to and winning the Super Bowl. And my fourth and final team, maybe, is the Buffalo Bills. Best second half team in the league.

Josh Allen has twice as many wins, eight as the remaining AFC quarterbacks combined for. Their offensive personnel is very good. Dionne Dawkins, James Cook. excellent tight ends. Kincaid, Dawson Knox, offensive line is good. Defense worries me a little,

but I think they can go and win the Super Bowl. I've changed my mind on this. Impressive win at Jacksonville. How about the Chicago Bears? I can't put them in. Worst scoring defense, worst total defense of the remaining playoff teams. They just give up too many big plays.

Niners? Now that Kittles out, Bosa Warner out, I can't put the Niners in. Second worst scoring defense. Salah's doing it with smoking mirrors. Okay, now my Denver Broncos. I can't.

Hell, the 20 points or fewer, three straight games. I think they're the best team potentially because they get a play at home. So I think they're, keep your eye on Denver against Buffalo. But they've played a very easy schedule. The Jacksonville loss was kind of a, whoa moment. and they are struggling offensively.

People got a lot of film now in Bo Nix. And the Houston Texans, I have changed my mind. O and 6th divisional round all time. J. Mack said it earlier this week. Something's not quite right with C.J. Stroud. Missing one of their best receivers, they are, this is a knock. 24th yards per play. Honestly, if Woody Marks is out, I don't feel like they're viable.

They're 30th in the red zone. That was my knock on them Monday night. They settled for field goals, not touchdowns. Rams, Seahawks, Bills, Patriots in. By the way, it's feet, not even yards. Denver, I mean, the coaching in San Francisco, the pass rush in Denver, the defense in Houston, and the explosive late game heroics of Caleb Williams. We're not saying they can't win another game, but I think only four of eight can get to and win the Super Bowl.

With that, Albert Breer is now joining us live. You're a reporter not that you care. Any of those rankle, any of those you would strongly disagree with? I mean, Houston's defense is starting to feel to me like 2015 Broncos, 2013 Seahawks, 2002 Buccaneers. I chipped 2000 Ravens. Like, just watching them close on the ball, that was the big thing. because I think we all know, like, how they can cover on the backhand with the corners they have,

how they can get after the pastor with Anderson and Hunter, and then the depths that they have on the defensive line. You know, one thing that really stuck out to me, Colin, was watching when Aaron Rogers checked the ball down and threw it over the middle on Monday night and how it seemed like there were three hats on the ball, like instantly on every single play. And it's just, I saw what they did. the bills and Josh Allen earlier in the year. And the Rams.

I mean, like, it is just, I mean, it legitimately looks like there are 13 guys out there. I always said that. When you see a great defense, it is as if they're playing with another man either in the pass rush or in the linebacking court. Houston feels like they got an extra guy out there. Right. So, like, my question is, and here's it so interesting about Houston to me, right? So you got CJ Stroud, and I think we've seen it at times this year.

it just hasn't been consistent, right? Like what he was as a rookie. So you saw it against San Francisco, for example. I think he threw for 350 yards against them. And that's a good team. Like, I know they've had their injuries, but that's obviously a really good team. I just, like, to me, it's like, what do their first year guys do? So especially if Nico Collins is out this week, right? And we'll see on the concussion protocol.

But their rookie receiver, Jaden Higgins and Jalen Noel, the rookie running back, Woody Marks, their rookie left tackle, Arionte, Erie. the rookie offensive coordinator, Nick Cayley, who knows New England inside now because he came up there. Like I just, I look at the amount of young people and first year people, you know, not necessarily all rookies, but the amount of young people that are relying on on offense, and the quarterback's part of that equation too. And can they give them enough where that defense can really turn it on? And I think you saw flashes of it again on Monday night. Like there was the deep ball to Jail and Noel that was right on his numbers and he dropped it.

You know, so there are just little things that you see with them offensively where it's like, God, they're right there. And this team could be even better next year, you know. And I just think the historic nature of the defense, we've seen it before, right? Like so and we've seen it in this era. Like we saw it with the 2015 Broncos where they didn't have a lot of offense. offensively. So I'm really interested to see what happens when they come up to Foxborough and play on Sunday. We know the Ravens is the best job for a lot of reasons. Great owner, nice roster, a mix of young, experience, pro bowlers, Lamar Jackson. Okay, let's start with a number

two job. I'm going to argue that we, I think the Giants is the second best job. I go in with left tackle. By the way, great offensive tackle draft. My first pick, I can go get the best tackle. so I can solve, that's like when Brady went to Tampa and they got Tristan worse. That was their big issue. Good roster, bad at right attack. So the Giants can solve that, right out of the shoot. I think the Giants over the Steelers, Steelers don't have a quarterback. Steelers spend a lot of money on defense.

They have a lot of draft things, but you'll be very, very young defensively next year. I know the stability thing. We all know that. Goes without saying in Pittsburgh. I think the Giants is a better job today to me than Pittsburgh. They got Lamar in that division, Burroughs coming back in that division, next year they could get an Arch Manning.

Do you think the Giants is better than the Steelers as the second best gig? I would agree. And I think what's so interesting about this year's market, Colin, is so many of the jobs depend on your individual evaluation of the quarterback, right? Because we know how important having the right quarterback is. So the Giants job, how attractive it is,

is largely dependent on what you think of Jackson Dart. Same thing with Cam Ward and Tennessee. same thing with Michael Penix in Atlanta. I mean, heck, you can say the same thing about Vegas. Like, what do you think of Fernando Mendoza and Dante Moore, right? So I think the attractiveness of this job, it's kind of a moving target with some of these teams based on your own evaluation of the quarterback position. That said, they have a lot of other things with the Giants.

Like you said, franchise left tackle and Andrew Thomas franchise receiver in Malik neighbors. On the defensive front, I mean, my goodness, Brian Burns, Abdul Carter, Dexter Lawrence. chance to be dominant up front right out of the shoot as a first year head coach. They've invested in their secondary bringing in Paulson Adibo and Javon and Javon last off season. So they have pieces. And this is why like the last couple of years, I felt like they were the team right on the edge. So I think I would agree with you. I think a lot of it depends on what your evaluation of DART is. It's just as to just how attractive the job is. But if you

love DART, I think it's got everything that you'd want, stable ownership, all of that. The Steelers, I mean, I would just say this with the Steelers. I think it's an attractive job because it's the Steelers. It's a flagship franchise, patient ownership. They're going to give you time to Bill, but man, you got a lot of work to do on that roster. They got eight guys in their starting 22 right now that are 30-year-older. So what do you do with TJ Waugh? What do you do with Cam Hayward?

Does he retire? What do you do with Jalen Ramsey? Aaron Rogers? Is he in or out? you don't have a lot of guys in that roster where you look and say, yeah, that guy's going to be here three years from now. Got a couple offensive linemen, maybe a defensive lineman or two, and that's it. And so you've got, I think, what looks like a relatively lengthy rebuild there.

That isn't the case with the Giants. For the record, the job openings are fascinating. There are nine openings. And guys, put the graphic up. I said, I think there's better Canada. than we think. I think Tomlin's going to do a reset. I think he's going to take a year off, do TV.

He's not a TV guy. He can do TV. He's not a TV guy. I think Harbaas, Defansky, Tomlin McCarthy, those are very good options. I think Salo, Flores, and Daibald deserve a second chance. If I had to, I'd hire all of them. I think Minter, Kubiak, and Halfley are certainly worthy of an opportunity. I think Kingsbury is an OC.

I don't think he likes conflict. that's why he's bailing on D.C. He felt bullied by Adam Peters, I was told. I also think Mike McDaniel's brilliant. I think he's a vice president, not a president. I'd hired him in one second to be my coordinator. Anything there, when you look at this tearing, am I missing something? Is it halfly considered?

I mean, you tell me what you make of that. Okay, so the first thing I would say is like I'm looking at your second chance. Guys, I think Robert Sala has a chance because of his ability to put together a staff. His ties are all to the Shanahan tree. Could he bring Mike McDaniel, who he's very close with to Tennessee with him? Or could he bring Mike LaFleur for the opportunity to call plays? If Sean McVeigh would let him leave to call plays,

could he bring him to Tennessee with him? And, you know, Robert's not only going to have that guy. He's also going to know who the next guy is, so he can go to an owner and say, look, this is our, Mike McDaniels, our coordinator this year, next year. And if he leaves, I got this other guy coming with me from San Francisco, who I think is going to be the next coordinator, right? So I think Robert gives you the chance to do that.

His ability to build a staff is really, really solid. I look at the first time, guys, and I think what's fascinating about this year is that the best ones are on defense, right? Jesse Minter got requested by every single team with an opening, save for Pittsburgh. We'll see if that one comes. Jeff Hathley has been a head coach before, has done a fantastic job in Green Day,

really good reaching people. Anthony Campanelli in Jacksonville, I think things are going to pick up on him a little bit. Matt Burke in Houston, we see what he's been able to build there. Eiger O Evoe. You've got all these young guys. There's almost like this backlog of young defensive coaches because everybody's been mining the offensive pipeline for so long.

So I think there are a lot of good young defensive coaches there. And then on the offensive side, if you're dead set on getting one, you're going to be rolling the dice a little, right? So Clint Kubiak, I think it's a really good young coach. Is he ready? We'll see. He comes off a lot like his dad. right, which is a good thing, but you have to be comfortable with like kind of that level,

quiet, calm personality. Davis Webb's another one. Davis Webb's fantastic and is going to be a head coach, played quarterback in the league. He's 30 years old. Is he ready? So on the offensive side, I think you'd be looking at guys that are just dice rolls, you know, whereas on the defensive side of the ball, I think you've got more guys who are ready. Aaron Rogers, I thought, I said, I thought he should retire or go to the Vikings.

I think he made the most of it. I nominate him for comeback player of the year. I think the Steelers' offense, I mean, like I said this earlier, Mike Tomlin doesn't have a coaching tree. It's a cactus. Like the O-C since Arians just, they don't do anything.

I've heard that one before a cactus. So I think Aaron-coaching cactus. So he basically, Aaron did the best of what you can do with a kind of a tone-deaf offensive, I mean, last seven years, the Steelers have been bottom 10 in offensive. spending. It's a tough lift, and I think Aaron did a great job. I think Aaron steps away and does

traveling. I think he would listen and go to Minnesota for a Viking. I think he would listen. But my guess is, like, he doesn't want to bounce around. What do you think his future is? I know the people who are there with him in Pittsburgh think that this is going to be it for him. And so I know people there were operating under the impression that he was going to retire after this year. It doesn't mean, and I'm not saying he's told anybody that, but like they were under the impression that this was going to be it for him, regardless of whether Mike Tomlin comes back or not. I also think, like, just what I know about Aaron, I do think that this year gave him some closure, you know, because I think what he was looking for in New York at the end, he wanted to fall in love with football again, right?

And really so much about him and become about everything off the field, right? And all the stuff that he does with the ayahuasca and everything else. And I think by the end in New York, he was kind of like, I want to just be a football player again. And because of the circumstances in that organization, he wasn't really allowed to do that. And going to Pittsburgh gave him that. And I think he truly did love being there this year. He loved playing for Tomlin. And I think he fell in love with playing football again.

So the question becomes, and I think most people who know him would say, well, that gave him closure. Does it make him want to play again? I can't answer that. But I think he's probably done. But if the perfect situation came along, if Kevin O'Connell picks up the phone and says, look, like, you know, we talked about this last year, would you want to come and do it now? Maybe he would jump at something like that. But I get the feeling that this is it for him. Okay, I got to address Buffalo.

And this happens all the time where I see something. something and I can't unsee it. And Buffalo going to Jacksonville, a red-hot Jaguars team with a sharp offensive coach, and really I felt like most of that game, it was Buffalo's game. And I was like, wow, I think they're going to go to Denver and win. And I did not feel that. And sometimes, you know this, this league will give these moments and you're like, oh, wow.

Like when I'm watching Caleb Williams against the Niners late in the year, and I mean just it's volleyball. It's just one great play, one back, and against Sala. And I'm like, man, Caleb is, he's graduated to a different class, whatever the class is, and then he does it again against the Packers and Halfley. I mean, I don't know. Take it from here. What do you make a Buffalo?

I think I'm going to steal Kirby Smart's line. I think Buffalo is hard to kill. Like, I think that's what they've become now. And I think you can see it. Like that was a pressure-packed situation. Oh, gigantic pressure. I mean, like, if you go to Jacksonville and lose, and that's a really good Jacksonville team, right?

A really good Jacksonville team that kicked Denver's ass. Like, if you lose that game, there are tons of big picture questions that are on the table, right? That's fair? Yeah. So in that pressurized environment, look at Sean McDermott's decision-making, and I thought this was so interesting. And this is the day and age when everybody's got to go for it on fourth down all the time,

and everybody's herky, jerky and panicky, right? Towards the end of the second half, on a fourth and four, he goes out, sends Matt Prater out there to kick a 45-yard field goal. They get penalized, kicks it from 50 yards anyway. End of the half, they punt on a fourth and four from the Jacksonville side of the 50. And then on the first drive at the second half, they, again, were in position to go for it on fourth and less than five and send Prater out there for a 47-yard field goal. Those were little things, Colin, that told me, Sean McDermott has the utmost confidence that his team is going to pull this out in the end. He didn't need the field of need to build a big lead.

He felt like if he just played the game out, his team would be able to get to the end of the game and put its Trump, which is Josh Allen on the table, right? And so this isn't the best Bills team of the last five years, but I think it's the hardest one to kill. You know, and I just think that this is the, this is the Bills team where you look at it, and there's just a belief in what they're doing, and if we can get to the end of the game

and put the ball in the hands of our quarterback, we are going to win the game. And you see it over the last two months of the season, the way they fell behind against the bucks, against the Steelers, against the Bengals, against the Patriots and roared back in the second half of all of those games. It just feels like this, and maybe it sounds corny,

but it does feel like there's a little bit of an intangible quality with this Buffalo team that didn't exist before. Okay, I'm going to give you a team, and you just give me a name, a leading candidate in a sentence. We won't go too long. I'm going to say, Tennessee, what happens? I think if Kenneth Sifansky doesn't wind up in New York, to see him winding up in Tennessee.

If it's not Kevin Stefansky, maybe Robert Sala. Raiders. So I think it's either a conventional, higher, like Jesse Minter makes sense there with the Michigan connections with Brady and John SpyTech. Do they take a swing on Davis Webb?

Do they take a swing on somebody like that? I don't think that that's impossible. Dolphins. That, Clint Kubiak? Yeah. Kubiak? Yeah. There's some carryover system-wise with Clint and Matt LaFleur and John Eric Sullivan came from Green Bay and had been with LaFleur and is going to be comfortable with Clint Kubiak's vision and be able to carry out Clint Kubiak's vision. I know one of the things they're really looking for there is a collaborative environment, you know, in their new structure. And so Clint would make some sense for them. One more. Steelers. Chris Shula. Wow.

Yeah. So I'm tempted to say Marcus Freeman, by the way. His, by the way, his camp says he's not interested. Do you don't buy that? Yeah, I just think it's the one. I think it's the one of all of these. So the Giants and Titans did pursue him, you know, and did gauge interest and talk to them and everything else.

And that was right when he agreed to stay at Notre Dame. I do think he has designs on coaching in the NFL. And let me ask you this, Colin. If Marcus Freeman right now were the defensive coordinator of, say, the Chargers, wouldn't he check every box as far as like a Steelers head coach, like what they generally look for? Oh, absolutely. Like he carries himself like a Steelers head coach.

I think Chris Schuel is the same, by the way. But Marcus Freeman would check a lot of boxes for the Steelers, just kind of that battleship commander that they've always. always had. I think Chris Shula, if you look at his background, right, and despite his last name, he's had to work his way up, right, and check boxes along the way. And Sean McVeigh, despite their relationship, really made Chris earn it there. And I can remember, like, when they promoted him, like, that was not about, like, oh, yeah, like, you know, he's just been here long enough. We ought to give it to him. Like, he really had to earn that job. I heard Shula's name

connected to this deal before any of this happened, like two, three weeks ago. And if you think about, like, kind of what they've looked for and head coaches, maybe not the guy everybody is looking at, but somebody with a defensive background, who's got real presence, who carries himself like a battleship commander, who can handle the pressure being in Pittsburgh. I think Chris Shula, to me, would check a lot of those boxes. And again, like, I think this is somewhere, too, that having that last name probably doesn't hurt and not that it like you think he's going to be the next don chula but this is a guy who's

dealt with expectations his entire life you know because of that last name so i think he would be a really interesting fit in pittsburg albert brer monday morning quarterback great seeing you buddy all right thanks colin um yeah there's some interesting candidates for sure Colin, he dropped like seven bombs there. I'm over here like, what? Marcus Freeman? Come on. The only scary thing, and I just texted my two Notre Dame people who are close to the program,

is that the Steelers would give Marcus Freeman a huge runway, right? Who cares? Old roster, no quarterback, no luchin talent. Here's the other great thing about Marcus Freeman. They have a first, a second, three-thirds, two-fourths. who knows college personnel Marcus Freeman just like Harbaugh goes to the

Chargers back-to-back drafts he knows he's recruited all these top guys you get a huge I mean if you go pure NFL guy you don't get that when you hire Harbaugh you kind of get that you hire

Marcus Freeman I guarantee it for the next two drafts Marcus Freeman's going to ace it he knows who he knows the odometer on guys not just the senior bowl That would be a bigger shock to me than Tom Lennon Harbaugh even combined. If Marcus Freeman left Notre Dame are really good.

Would you take, you tell me, Notre Dame or the Steelers? I mean, Notre Dame's going to be stacked next year. Their quarterback could be a top five pick. I'm not going to stay Notre Dame. But the Steelers, they're going to be okay being terrible for three years because the ownership. No, they're not going to be terrible for three years. Colin, their roster is garbage. Dude, dude, dude.

A first, a second, three, threes, two, four with Marcus Freeman. And all you have to go look. Who's QB1? By the way, New England, 300 million in cap space, seven draft picks. Shocking. They had Drake May.

Come on, you don't drink me on this roster. You're not going to be, I mean, I bet you everything I've earned. You're not going to be terrible for three years with Marcus Freeman. That roster is going to turn over by the last, but the last weekend of April,

you're going to have seven new guys who can play. And then, and then, by the way, now that you don't pay the quarterback, they're going to have the most money. in the league. They're not paying. They're going to have what New England did to their roster. Forget Drake May. Look at their roster. Last year the Patriots had the worst receiving core in the league. Now it's like number three in big plays. Why? They had money and draft picks.

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Here's Art Rooney this morning on how he looks at the roster and the new head coach. I don't know it's a rebuild I mean it's a new coach so there will be changes and you know we'll have to all get comfortable with kind of the plan

so you know whether you call it a rebuild or not I don't like like that word that much you know we'll try to compete day one if we can and you won't

probably again I think I think an interesting part of this it's not a very good quarterback class and you don't here's the thing you think it's crazy but if the raiders weren't owned by brady i think they'd abs you know tom's going to make sure they take mendoza that's my that's my prediction um you can't get the number one spot if dante more came out you i mean listen

if you're the new york jets i mean what if the steeler came to you and said we'll give you all three of our threes to get dante more thought's dante more i'd be like i'll sign up for that. Jets or Steelers? So, Ty Simpson's viewed as, from the calls I've made, like, late first, I don't think he's a top 10 guy. But again, if you have to reach in a quarterback, that's the position you reach at. Yeah, I think the Steelers have to get comfortable with just being awful. Awful, get you Drake May. Okay. Mid, get you Kenny Picket. So, I can't wait. Here was Albert Brewer, a second, go in the Cedars opening. It's a flagship franchise, patient ownership. They're going to give you

time to Bill, but man, you got a lot of work to do on that roster. They got eight guys in their starting 22 right now that are 30 or older. So what do you do with T.J. Watt? What do you do of Cam Hayward? Does he retire? What do you do with Jalen Ramsey? Aaron Rogers? Is he in or out? You don't have a lot of guys in that roster where you look and say, yeah, that guy's going to be here three years from now. Got a couple offensive linemen, maybe a defensive lineman or two in that. That's it. And so you've got, I think, what looks like a relatively lengthy rebuild there. My guess is Harbaugh of the New York Giants.

I mean, Stefansky to the Steelers makes a lot of sense to me. It makes a lot of sense to me. I could see Brian Daybold of the Titans. He's interviewing Friday. There's just, don't forget about Stefansky, two-time coach of the year in Cleveland. All right. I think almost all of these jobs, I mean, I, Arizona and Cleveland don't interest me at all, but this league is, you're so capable if you have a lot of draft picks, you're so capable of turning things around quickly.

I mean, a great example of it is if you get the right coach and you got a couple hundred million to spend in free agency, look at New England. They say, well, they've got Drake May. In one year, we got six potential first round quarter. quarterback's maybe eight, you stink for a year. But this league, there's a pretty common thread. If you get the quarterback right and then eventually get the coach right, like that's why I think the New York Giants is a really interesting opening.

Whatever Jackson Dart is, he looks like a franchise quarterback. Is he going to be the 13th best, the 8th best, or the 16th best? I don't know. Keep him out of the blue tent. But you got one. And that means you're not paying anything for him. So, or neighbors, or Abdul Carter, or Scataboo, a lot of the Giants' best players, you're not paying anything for them. So to me, the Giants job, I know it's hard to say this when you've been bad forever.

I think the New York Giants job, if I was Harbaugh and Kevin Stefansky, that would be really attractive. And here's the other thing. You saw the first year of Jackson Dart, better than I thought, too many blue tent trips. let's say Stefansky gets the job or Harbaugh, you let him play. And if he can't get out of the blue tent and you look at it and think, we got Archmanning coming out, Julian Sande coming out, Dante Moore coming out, we got a Jaden Maiava coming out, that doesn't mean you have to stick with Jackson Dart.

You get a runway for him. So you get a competent, young, inexpensive quarterback for a year. Doesn't mean you can't draft another one. It doesn't mean you will, but it doesn't mean you can't. If you give a young quarterback Jackson Dart two years, That's a lot of runway. That's a lot of snaps. So the giant job's pretty good to me.

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No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line. All right, Connell, let's start with the Ravens. Interesting presser from Steve Beshati, the Ravens owner yesterday. Besides the fact that he had too many buttons open on his shirt, he spent a lot of time talking about the role Lamar Jackson is going to play in the decision-making process for finding a head coach.

This surprised me. My decision, I think, by Monday, was pretty much set. And I think by the time I got off the phone with him. Lamar, I had told him that I think my position was pretty set and that, but when I hang up from you, I don't want you to think the decision is ironclad. A lot of say, but he is no power. I have the power. They have opinions and I want them all. I care about my players very much, but I can't give them power. I like that. Yeah. What's wrong with that? You don't like that? a lot of say in the head coaching job?

When you have a say in it, but that can't be the deal. I think that's a dangerous place to go. And Steve Boshadhi is a lot smarter than me. But if you tell people, I want you to have a say, they give you an opinion and you don't hire that person. Do you create animosity? So you're better off just saying, listen, we hire the coach. You throw the passes.

That's a fine line there that you want to listen to people. But again, who Lamar likes is not, you know, I, I. I just think owners own, GMs, GM, coaches, coach, players play. When you cross into that line and you ask a quarterback what you think and you say, okay, we're going to put him in of the two or three candidates, but what if you don't choose it? I largely agree with what you said. I think one of the best examples of this is Michael Jordan with the Chicago Bulls back in the day,

and I know basketball and football a little different. But Michael Jordan had Doug Collins as his coach. He loved Doug Collins. Why? Doug Collins said, do whatever you want. Score all the points. they didn't win anything. Jordan didn't win a damn thing until the Bulls went and hired Phil Jackson. And many articles at the time said, Jordan didn't like Phil Jackson. He was a little prickly, a little different, handing out books and stuff.

Phil Jackson instituted the triangle offense with Tex Winter. They made the jump and Jordan becomes one of the greatest players all time. That's why I don't want to go to my player and say, what would you, what do you think? What do you like? It's interesting because Michael Jordan was also, let's be honest, an awful general manager. And Magic Johnson tried coaching for five minutes. He wasn't good at that. I mean, so, and LeBron James, by the way, his camp will deny this. They're the ones to push Rob Polenka to get Westbrook. Yeah, that didn't work.

Also, Shabazz Napier and Miami. LeBron was all into that. So, you know, I mean, it's hard enough to be a great player. I mean, Mike Holgren's one of the best coaches ever. I remember when he was in Seattle, you know, there was reports. He had a little say in personnel. Pete Carroll did as well. Belichick, bad at personnel, can't do it, college or pro. We know Belichick knows his stuff.

So my take is it's hard to jump over into other sectors and other departments. It's hard enough to be a great GM. Yeah, how did Aaron Rogers do GMing the Jets when he said, can I have this OC and this wide receiver and this player? It was a disaster. All of them. It doesn't work. I think Bishotti needs, I mean, this is not going to be an easy one.

Because you know Lamar's kind of, I mean, the stories are out there about his practice habits, Colin. is a tough job to Phil. It's obviously a great job, but we'll see what happens. Let's move on to the Philadelphia Eagles who have parted ways with Kevin Petulow, the embattled offensive coordinator. He was on the Colts staff with Siriani and then joined Siriani in Philly. Jalen Hertz will now have his fifth offensive coordinator since being drafted. Shane Steichen left for the Colts has had some success, no playoff trips.

Kellen Moore had some success this past year with the Saints and his quarterback. But Brian Johnson, disaster, Kevin Petulow, M.S. Colin, this should be a coveted job, right? I mean, you've got a really, really stacked team. Amazing defense. A lot of pieces on offense. I think A.J. Brown will be gone. What direction you think they should go here?

Well, I mean, this is again, Mike McDaniel, they pay money. They're not cheap in Philly. Mike McDaniel, Cliff Kingsbury could work. I think what we know is Nick Seriani, Jason, is very reliant on his coordinator. McVey isn't. And he's not. Shanahan's not. He, Dan Campbell, who's a culture guy is. Siriani, more of a culture guy, very reliant on coordinators.

And so I think Detroit, I would immediately put Detroit in a Super Bowl bubble if they went and got Mike McDaniel. Yeah. If they'd get out, if they, you know, I feel like Detroit and Philadelphia are similar. Really like the rosters. The coach is a culture guy, not a scheme guy. I like both quarterbacks. Jalen and Gophe don't love either. So I think, you know, listen, it's a good time to be an offensive coordinator in this league.

There's going to be some bidding wars for Mike McDaniel and bidding wars for Cliff Kingsbury. The other problem is, let's say you hire an O.C. And the Eagles are great again, and they go to the Super Bowl. He's leaving for a head coaching job. That's what they do. So honestly, I know the Eagles won't do this. I'm blowing out Siriani and I'm bringing in. I think that would be attractive for a Stefanski and McDaniel, et cetera.

Oh, of course. I doubt that would happen. Final story, let's go to Minnesota, where J.J. McCarthy has been a controversial figure on this show. One of us stands by him. The other doesn't think very highly because he can't stay healthy. Here's Kevin O'Connell talking to the media. And, uh-oh, sounds like McCarthy is going to have competition soon. I think there has to be. I think that's what's going to make everybody better. In that room, it's going to be what makes our entire offense. thrive through that competition. I ultimately think that's what will make not only are,

you know, the starter, but the next guy and the next guy. And we've learned we've got to get a lot of guys ready to play. Hmm. Competition. You're going to revive your Aaron Rogers to Minnesota? Yes. It's not terrible.

Listen, I say I defended Kirk Cousins and Pennix. I would defend Aaron Rogers if you had this whole idea of Well, it didn't work in Atlanta. McCarthy showed glimpses in the last month. Yeah. But he doesn't stay healthy.

Aaron showed absolute glimpses, but he's 42 or 43 next year, whatever his birthday is. So I think Minnesota goes into it, I'd have no problem having both McCarthy and Aaron Rogers. None at all. None at all. You don't have to love it, but I think it's something. The one position, I'm okay, the room being a bit crowded. Yeah. J. Mack with the news. Well, that's the news.

And thanks for stopping by. The Heard Lye News. Nine coaching openings. That is a lot of coaching openings. I've said before, I think there's some very goods. I think there's nine different people I'd be comfortable hiring. I did not put Marcus Freeman of Notre Dame in there because his camp is saying he's not interested. I think that's a tough call.

Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Steers. That's a tough call. It's very easy to say no to Cleveland and Arizona and Miami. That's easy. Titans. All of a sudden you get off of the Ravens job, the Giants job, the Steelers job. I'm Marcus Freeman. And you sit down with a family.

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