The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - The BIG 10 has separated, Colin defends dynasties in sports, is Duke still the villain?

Episode Date: March 27, 2026

Colin discusses how the BIG 10 has separated from the rest of the pack He talks about why some people have a strong dislike for dynasties in sports Is Duke still the villain in college basketball?Guest: Rick NeuheiselSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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March Madness has been exceptional. The Big Ten without endowment money. Good coaches. We could have an all Big Ten final four. Arizona looks like the best team along. with Michigan. But, you know, I've said it before. There's a lot of different ways to win.

Iowa doesn't spend any money, and they're in the elite eight. Purdue doesn't spend very much money. They have a great coach, Matt Painter, and they pay their own guys. They don't go outside of the program. Illinois wrote big checks for European guys. They went and bought size. So there's a lot of different ways to do it. Kentucky spent $20 million.

They won a game. BYU was the second biggest spender. One and done. So you've got to have a coach. You've got to have a culture. You've got to have a structure. I said it's just like your life and my life. You can make a big salary.

But if you're buying boats and cars, that salary is going to shrink very, very quickly. Yesterday on the show, Ty Simpson's coming on our show next week, the Alabama quarterback. I have said I think he's going to go middle first round. I do think somebody's going to reach. I thought Jackson Dart was a bit of a reach. I thought he was more of a top of the second round guy. What do I know? But he had Lane Kiffin coaching offensively.

He got Brian Dayball. and Jackson Dart was, when he stayed out of the blue tent, was pretty damn good this year. I think Ty Simpson similarly, Kaelin DeBore, if he goes to the right coach, I worry about him going to the Jets. But, you know, but I think if you put him in the right situation and he can sit for a couple years, I think he's a first round player. You know, not big, not wow traits. Here was Joel Clatt yesterday on Ty Simpson. He's not the biggest guy, but Colin, this guy makes really big throws.

I am so impressed with him every time I turn on the tape with what he does attacking the defense outside the numbers and down the field. And that's really what the NFL is looking for. He is a tough, sturdy quarterback that can make all the throws. And those guys just don't grow on trees. I think he makes good decisions. I'm very impressed with him. I think he's a good leader. My biggest knock would be his lack of experience.

He doesn't have many stars. We'll show the mock draft by Joel Clatt, and what I think is really interesting is there's an understanding that Jets have that 16th pick. So if you want him, the truth is you may have to call up Jason Light, the GM of the Buccaneers. And I do think the Pittsburgh Steelers are in play here. They don't know exactly what's going to happen with Aaron Rogers. Mike McCarthy and Aaron have had, you know, they can say what they want publicly, but it's not always been great. Will Howard, good player. I liked him a lot in college.

I don't know if he's, I don't think he's a franchise guy. Maybe he is. But I think keep your eye on that Tampa Bay number 15 pick. I think if you get the Steelers, would they be hyper-aggressive? I don't think, I mean, they're drafting 21. You wouldn't have to be that aggressive. Could you go up? I mean, I think it's something to think about.

I absolutely think it's something to think about. And with that, Rick Neuheisel, he coached Colorado, Washington, UCLA, former NFL coordinator is taking the job of the Dallas Renegades. You know, it's interesting. Pro football, and I had this discussion once with Herm Edwards. He's like, if you don't get the quarterback right, and Bill Belichick

knows this, it gets ugly, really fast in the national football. In college, it's more, I mean, you were lucky, you had Marcus Tuiazis, so for, you got to a Rose Bowl and won it at Washington, I think against Purdue, if I remember. That's right. Quarterback matters, but roster is probably bigger

than quarterback. So I want ask you about the NIL, it's important, Rick. We know that. And a place you used to coach is UCLA. Well, UCLA is an international university, as you well know. You're not paying your assistance $2.5 million. The SEC, they'll do it. They're not doing it. I want to ask you specifically, if you had the money in college, where would you spend it? Because, you know, well, I'm watching Iowa spends no money. And they're in an elite team in basketball. Where would you spend it? If you had the money, you would spend it on the same positions that you spend it on in the NFL. You would go to those difference making positions, which are quarterback, pass rusher, alpha receiver, shut down corner, because those change the math

of football when you have those particular players. A left tackle is a premium position. The NFL has done a great job of identifying those positions. There are some outliers like the Bijon Robinson's and the Saquan Barclays at the running back position. But I think they've done a nice job of realizing where to spend their money. Well, and before we get to the Dallas Renegades, because I have a lot of questions there, Kurt Signetti comes in. In your life, did you ever in your life think if I told you a team went 16 and 0, it would be the Indiana Hoosiers?

To you, when you watch Signetti, what is the secret sauce? Or is a lot of it just Mendoza? It's the perfect storm. Number one, he's a fantastic X and O coach. He's a culture builder. He has a real belief in what he does and the players buy in. Those 13 kids that came with him from James Madison were critical to the deal, not just because of their talent, but also getting the other kids at Indiana to buy into the thing. and then the NIL and the ability to go and get a bunch of transfers, identifying older experienced players who had that kind of chip, that DNA to weather storms and stuff. And then Fernando Mendoza comes along and just wows people. And literally he's got brilliant acumen.

He was going to go to Yale. That's what kind of bright kid he is. But those throws, Colin, that accuracy with the back shoulder, throw to the wide side of the field. That's rare air. So it was a perfect storm. And Indiana fans rejoice. I mean, my realtor out here in Dallas, she's an Indiana fan. She went to the Rose Bowl, the Peach Bowl, and then to Miami. She said she never spent money so wisely. Yeah. No, it's really interesting, Rick, you were a quarterback, you played, you were a coordinator, you were a college coach, you're an analyst.

I mean, you've worn a lot of different hats. I, my take on the NIL, it allows, it allows for Indiana. It allows a coaching staff to rebuild quickly. But my, you watch USC and LSU, they've had a lot of NIL money and they haven't delivered. I think, Rick, I think we overplay NIL. It's valuable. I'm not saying it's not valuable. I still contend at the college level, coaching and culture trump money.

Or am I being naive? I think you're dead right. I don't think you can just throw money at problems and expect things to come together as you hope they will. You have to have the ability to create the culture. And I said that was the number one attribute to the Indiana story. The ability to create a culture that everyone bought in. And 13 kind of disciples coming from James Madison to tell guys how we do things at Indiana, I think was absolutely pivotal.

You look at this Iowa basketball story, right? The kid from the Division II school goes to Drake for one year, this Sturts kid, right? He's a culture creator at Iowa. Ben McCollum doesn't have to just tell people how it's going to look. He's got a guy that shows him how it's going to look. That's really, really important as you're building something and trying to change the paradigm of what people expect from a particular program. Well, you were a very good college quarterback, and I'm old enough to remember all of it. And your son's also a coach, coach, and you've been doing, you know, SEC stuff for a long time.

You know, I watch every weekend is for a long time, the SEC 20 years, and I defended it. I'm like, they care more, they spend more. I got no, the facilities are better, the coaching staffs. Are you shocked over the last three years? I looked it up this morning. In the March madness, the last three years, Big Ten teams that are favored are 32 and five. Three of the five losses are Wisconsin.

It's literally the paradigm has shifted. Rick, it's like SEC dominates. Wait a minute. The Big Ten is clearly number one. Are you shocked by it? I am, I think the parody in the SEC has caught up to him a little bit. It's hard to build the super team as Nick Saban and Kirby Smart did, right? The ability to stockpile defensive line talent that both of those guys did,

and certainly Kirby learned it from Nick, how to do that has gone by way of the whales. Now you've got a bunch of revenue in those programs in the Big Ten, eager programs in the Big Ten to join the fray, right? You look at what Brett Bealem has done at Illinois. You look at obviously the Indiana story who's one that resonates. These programs have figured out, listen, we now can use our money to go out and bring capable players here. And we have as much now in the way of eagerness to join the ranks of the big time, the blue bloods, if you will. We've seen Michigan and Ohio State do it for years. Penn State's been right. nipping at their heels.

And now a bunch of other teams are saying we can do it as well. So you've had opportunities to coach and you've broadcast, raised your kids, and now the USFL calls, which I've been saying for three years is watch the games. Quarterback, receiver, back corner. There's NFL guys here. There's length. There's speed. There's twitchiness.

I can O-line. If you're good, NFL is going to grab you pretty quickly because the O-line play in the The NFL's not great. What turned you on to this opportunity? Because you've had more than a few over the last 15 years. It, you know, spring football, I played spring football. I was in that USFL when Jim Kelly and Doug Flutie and Herschel Walker and Anthony Carter and Medi White. Yeah, I was played for the San Antonio Gunslingers.

So I have great memories of having had that experience and know how talented players can be at that level. And then I coached in the Alliance of American Football just a couple years ago for the Arizona hot shots. And getting coaches to come back with me, Colin, was like getting the band back together. I mean, it was an absolute fact. And so we enjoy it immensely. It goes quickly. It's a three-month stint. It's not a year-round deal if you're worried about your energy level.

I mean, it is just absolute nirvana for a coach. coaches love to coach kids love to do what they're asked to do because they want one more shot at the brass ring i could not imagine a better coaching uh scenario for anybody especially with someone with experience because this is the purest form of football you were just talking about nil these kids are on scholarship everybody makes the same everybody just wants one more chance to play and i promise you having been on the practice field for now the last five weeks there's plenty of guys that can play on sundays Yeah, no, I don't think there's any doubt. And I have been a believer in spring football. I just think it has to be quick, succinct, to the point. You got to get the right cities. You know, Rick, it's interesting. As a quarterback, you coached as a coordinator in NFL, head coach college.

And I talk about this a lot is I don't know if I would leave college football. I think there's a renaissance in college basketball and college football with older coaches. because it used to be had to have that young guy energy to go recruit. Now it's administrative. Now you just write checks. Belichick may work. I mean, seriously, there's a lot of check writing. You don't have to be as a coach at an AEU tournament,

but Tino refuses to recruit high schoolers. So would you rather today, if you were offered the Ravens job or Oregon, two great jobs respective of their industries, what's the better job as a coach, college or pro? well no and phil night like i do that oregon job's pretty good i promise you that's a good one but having been in the raven organization i enjoyed the heck out of that too steve bushti is a guy's guy he's a he's a blast i think both are fun both have their complications right uh given the expectations that come with them the college job right now as i talk to my friends the old buddies in

in the coaching profession you're not recruiting players anymore you're recruiting money And somewhere along the road, the leaders of college athletics, and I know they had kind of a summit at the White House a couple of weeks ago, it was kind of a we are the world of college football trying to, you know, we come together and such. I think that Cody Campbell, that billionaire from Texas Tech said it best, we're going to have to deal with some pain before we're going to get to the other side. People are all going to have to give a little.

And hopefully we can get there because as my friend in the, Chris Childers, on the radio show that I participate in, says all the time, college sports are idiot proof. We're watching it in March Madness. It's unbelievable how well they do. College football delivers the numbers keep going up, even though we have no idea what the rules are. Asked Abbeau Sweeney, he'll tell you what the rules are.

No one has any idea, but yet we can't wait to tune in. Yeah. It's great seeing you. Your son's been a wonderful story. Now, he's at Northwestern now. He took a quarterback coach at Northwestern. And let me take this opportunity to, again, apologize to Penn State fans for losing my neutrality in the course of a network. I put on dad goggles like, no tomorrow, Colin. No tomorrow. That was a lot of fun.

Yeah. You also have a law degree, if I remember, don't you? I do. I do. I haven't had to use it of late. And hopefully I don't have to do it any time. Rick, it's great seeing you. Look great. And congrats on the job with Dallas. We're going to have fun. I hope you'll tune in. And it'll be, hopefully, Kevin Sumlin and I are one in one against each other.

We got each other tomorrow. We'll see who gets the rubber match. All right. Appreciate it, Rick. Thank you. See you, my friend. You bet. They don't do the push.

Tush push is banned in UFL. You can go after a touchdown. You can go for a one, two, or three-point conversion. That's interesting. I am a believer. Remember the Vince McMahon League when they use some of the aerial cameras, and the NFL was like, yeah, that stuff works. They have four-point field goal.

If you kick a field goal, 60-plus yard field goals are four. The other thing they're doing is you only have to have one foot in with a catch. That one's interesting. Because if you only had to have one foot in with a catch, boy NFL games would be quicker. It feels like every weekend if there's one play in a game that slows it down is did he get that second toe in?

So it starts on Fox. Good stuff. We got a break here. Yeah, we do. We'll take a break. Jay Max around the corner also today. Mick Cronin, UCLA basketball coach, who's been outspoken with the NIL and his needs

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You know, it's happening right in front of your eyes. College basketball, Jay Mack was texting me last night. You can see the European influence. Brad Underwood's the coach of Illinois, maybe more than anybody. They opened up the checkbook. They got on a plane.

They went to Europe, and they went and bought some really good European players, and here's their coach earlier this year on why. I love the fact that they have tremendous passion for the game. They've been extremely well coached in their young days. They're fundamentally very sound. Now NIL has opened it up so we can actually get the really, really good ones. We've had guys before, but maybe not the top quality ones.

The other trend is quite simply the NBA. The best players in the NBA are European players now. And so we're following a trend. It's exciting for them to come here and play. Now, I do think it's reversing a little bit in the last couple years. I think this was a very good domestic draft. This coming draft now this year, a very good domestic draft. And I think one of the reasons it's shifting back, you'll see more great domestic players, is the NIL.

Is that instead of hurting your development and going to the G League or going to the NBA, probably when you're 19, you could probably use 40 more college games is the NIL is allowing those second round guys to come back and can they get themselves into the mid-first round? And so I think, you know, everything in sports, it's cyclical. And college basketball was pretty lean, and then the NIL arrived, and now college basketball is more European

and the best domestic players, they're just staying longer, and they don't, you know, I'm a big believer in college basketball. basketball over the G League. G. Leaks had Chris Finch, Nick Nurse, it's had good coaches. I'm not saying it hasn't. But what I like about college basketball is the exposure. The kid comes into the NBA and, you know, he can get a shoe deal fast because people watch them at Duke or Carolina or Arizona, Yukon. The second thing I really like about it is you play in these hostile arenas, not kind of a juco circuit. You play in big time arenas. Well, that's like NBA pressure. And, you know, Cooper Flagg at Duke, I mean, Cameron Indoor, may not be big, but he's going on the road and it's loud.

And I think that's why when you play at these big brand college basketball powers, you're going on the road as a Michigan Wolverine. And it's pretty loud and it's pretty nasty. So, I mean, what Michigan's best player, Yax and Lindenberg, he could have been a first round guy last year. He would have been a first round guy at 6-9, 240, runs the floor, can hit a three. He comes back and now he's going to be a lottery pick. and that's the difference.

Those guys that were like, ah, 23rd pick, oh, now he's fourth, and that kid has so much more confidence now than a year ago because he is now a dominant college player, not just a good one, a great college player. So in Illinois, they open up the checkbook,

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Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, I feel like you've been waiting for this story for months, Colin. Adam Silver announced this morning that the NBA has presented three anti-tanking measures to the Board of Governors. And we're going to put them on the screen for you. Sorry for the radio audience. It's confusing as hell. I don't love any of them, Colin.

So we'll start with the first one. 18 teams in the draft lottery. the bottom 10 and the 8 playing. A lottery draw for all 18 picks. Okay? I guess that's something. It's rewarding the play and it's like, hey, you're still rewarded if you try to make the playoffs. The second one is confusing, but people seem to like it.

22 teams in the draft lottery using a two-year record. Lottery draw for up to the top four picks. Minimum win total floor. Like, what are we doing, Adam? Let me ask you this. This is so confusing. Isn't this, isn't the goal of a league to have the fewest bad teams? You can't control great teams because sometimes, you know, teams hit like OKC,

accumulates draft picks, hits a bunch of them. But what you don't want in any league is a big bottom. You want your teams either really good and fun and watchable or competitive. What you don't want is a big, large bottom. You know, NFL usually has three teams like they're bad. You don't want eight because for the record, if you got eight teams like the NBA, eight to nine bad teams, every other night one of those teams is coming to your arena and their blowouts and it's not competitive and it's bad sports.

So ask yourself this. I think as a commissioner, my goal would be to get everybody in the league either great or competitive. And realistically, you always got a couple of stinkers. a start somebody gets injured whatever well if you take up these anti-taking concepts with a new CBA which doesn't

allow you to make sweeping trades well how do you go from awful where there's eight teams that are awful to viable so now you can't do it with tanking now you can't do it with the CBA in the apron you can't do it with big sweeping trades acquisitions have never been harder

so how are all these bad teams going to get interesting yeah well they have to tank to get good player. That's the easiest question. Okay, so that's what Utah Indiana are doing. So what they're, I don't think tanking is their biggest issue. I think the repetition, three ball load management are bigger issues

in my opinion. But if you're going to take away tanking, so the eight teams at the bottom, how do they, at least Utah Indiana, I mean, when Halliburton comes back and if they get a great pick, yeah, let's say that the Pacers get Caleb Wilson from the

from the UNC. Pacer's are going to be excellent next year. Yeah, they are. They'll remove them from the tank. If Utah gets the number one pick and they get the kid from BYU, they've got enough good young players. Oh, they'll be a playoff team. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So if this thing had been enacted a year ago, well, how would Indiana and Utah go from unwatchable to excellent? Yeah, it's like the Washington Wizards.

They had one of the top picks. They got the kid Alex Sar. He's not ready. Now they got Trey Young, Anthony Davis. Like, they're desperate. They need a good player. So what do you do? You tank.

Personally, I think this is a little overblown. So do I. I think it's a little inauthentic when people reference the NFL. 82 games, like this is nothing like the NFL, okay? Nothing at all. 82 games, long season. One player, LeBron, Wembe, Tim Duncan can totally change your fortunes at the top. And it makes sense to tank.

These measures, I don't know how they're going over online. I haven't really... You know what I think would end tanking? If you had the ability, like other sports, to trade anybody when whenever you wanted to. And that would mostly end tanking. Because as an owner or GM, I'm like, guys, go to the billionaire owner. We want that player.

Now you have to have salaries. It makes it so hard. But then you become baseball, right? Where it's like Paul Skeens is on the Pirates. He's a young guy. Oh, the Yankees and Dodgers are. Oh, who's getting Paul Skeens? Anybody good on Memphis or New Orleans?

By the way, let's throw that up. Let's load it up. Paul Skeens. The idea that the Dodgers are the only team that can afford him, the Yankees, the Mets, The Braves, the Astros, the Padres. Fine, six teams, bidding for a... No, the Dodgers. I don't buy, there's only one team.

The Toronto Blue Jays have a lot of money. They don't have Dodgers money, though. The Dodgers just renamed their field Dodgers stadium so they can make more money from overseas to profit off Otani and the pitcher. Like, come on, the big markets are just going to dominate in baseball. If there's no cap. You have to admit that.

Well, the Angels were 6-0 against. the Dodgers and the Brewers were 6-0 against the Dodgers in the regular season. I mean, my trout was buried on the ages, couldn't get to the playoffs. Again, there's no magic bullet here that's going to solve everything. Ultimately, I don't think this is a huge issue.

You and I both agree. Tanking's not the biggest problem. Load management's a problem. The repetition of three. Nobody wants to watch 83s. That's not good basketball. I don't mind that, but you know, I'm a gunner. That's what I do. All right, let's stick in the NBA, Colin. Interesting story.

So we talked about the Knicks and the Celtics kind of jockeying for position. Each of them once at home court in the second round. Well, something's going on with Carl Anthony Towns. He got benched down the stretch for the second straight game, subbed out with eight minutes left and did not get back in the game. I mean, this is like a max contract guy, Colin. Mike Brown said, hey, we were getting killed on the glass

and it was physical. We needed Mitchell Robinson in there. Yeah. Yikes. Well, Carl Anthony has been a great. great offensive player for a long time. He remains that. There are spots late in games. I don't think this is as big a biggest story. There are spots late in games where he can be a liability defensively. So I think there are, he's got limitations, none of them offensively,

but I don't, I don't, this doesn't feel like it's disruptive. I think in late game situations close when you got to make a stop, I don't want Carl Anthony Towns on the floor. Okay, so over $50 million a year to this guy and you've got to pull him out for the final five minutes of a close game? Well, that ain't great. Hack a Shaq. Shack was the most dominant player in the league. I didn't want him I didn't want him on the floor with a minute and a half

to play. Yeah. So you show, I mean, listen, if you get Janus, this ain't an issue. The Knicks, all of a sudden, I thought finals the whole season, Colin. With the Celtics getting Tatum, Celtics just beat the Thunder. Starting to worry about my Knicks. I think the Yonis Yanis trains picking up team. Do you like any good teams?

Like any of the teams you like, are they any good? Why are you doing this to me? No, I'm just asking a question. That's not nice. My team stink. Maybe I like to pick losers so I can be angry all the time. And I can't have good things. What, you want me to root for winners?

Well, I mean, I just, I... You want me to be a front runner? You want me to go, hey, I like the chiefs. Patrick Wallach's that guy. I'm a frontrunner and I'm happy every day. I don't want the misery of losing. I like the Dodgers, and I like the Dodgers, and I love Duke basketball.

I don't understand the downside of that. Being a frontrunner. Yeah, I'm out front, terrible. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So you're a straight up front runner. That's it.

All the winners. Hey, you know, Iowa's good. You want to get an Iowa to Ohio Hawkeyes? I think the Iowa story is terrific. But I think Michigan and Arizona are blue bloods or green bloods these days. But I mean, I like watching them. I like watching the teams that have more NBA guys. Sorry.

Guilty is charged. Sorry. I'm a loyal. loyalist when it comes to my teams. I'm going to stick with my New York Jets until that sinking ship fails. Final story. Con, let's go to my NFL mock draft. Now, I know we did clats earlier this week. Oh, this is yours. I'm continually surprised that people have Ty Simpson in there. I do not have Ty Simpson in my first round. Forget the top 16. I do still think Mendoza holds on to the one spot. Jeremiah Love at seven to Washington. So Dan Quinn is kind of fighting for his job. We know he

hand all the assistants. It's kind of forced to. What do you do with Jaden Daniels? Do you get him help on the offensive line? Or do you get him a skill position guy so you can get that offense to get back to what it was two years ago? Miami got really old. They've got, Miami's got a lot of issues. Miami has one of the lowest win totals in the league. Miami Jets, Arizona and Cleveland are the worst teams in the league.

You're actually good at this mock draft stuff. I agree with almost. I think I would not go get Carnell Tate if I was the job. I would not. I think that's too high for him. I will say I'm taking some heat for Ruben Bain falling to 14. Again, I'm not bashing the guy. He's a playmaker.

But Colin, he would be the highest drafted player with those short of arms for his position in the history of the draft. So that's why I have him. He used to be in the 2 to 6 range. I dropped him 14 to the Ravens where he's a bit of a bargain there. Sunny Stiles 12 to the Cowboys. I don't know if you like that. I think their front seven needs still some more work. and I have the Jets going with an offensive,

probably the best guard in the draft. Whoever their quarterback is in 27, he's going to be so happy. Jets' offensive line is coming together. Jemak with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurdline News.

I think the most, I think the most interesting team in the draft is Miami with those four third-round picks. And they have Malik Willis, so they're going to be more than capable of quarterback and Jeff Halfley, a defensive coordinator. They've got to solve the offensive line. They have a million questions.

But my take is if your quarterback's good and your coach is good, let's say Halfley's good. Let's say Halfley's become successful. So Halfley's successful. He makes it. He's there in five years. And Malik Willis is as good as I think. you can get really good really fast if you get the offensive line right because they've got a great

run game great runback you get the offensive line saw behind malik willis a couple of weapons of all the teams everybody thinks are going to be awful dolphins have seven of the top 100 picks that could be seven starters at key positions i Miami is the one supposedly awful team i think could could solve it. Now, they got a hit. They've got a hit on guys. You know, they've got a hit on an offensive tackle, a corner, a tight end, a wide receiver, an edge rush. They got about six guys, but they've got seven of the top 100 picks. And also, if you look at Miami's pick, they could trade down and get more picks. They could get a fifth third. Third round picks should be able to start pretty quickly in the NFL. So in Chicago, it's the hurt.

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the road to the Indy 500 continues Sunday at one eastern on Fox Well it is interesting College sports has always had dynasties I mean you can go back to the 30s and 40s it was like you know Army football or Navy football and then the four horsemen Notre Dame

and then you know Yukon women's basketball and Duke Alabama football college sports has always had dynasties my entire life and you know the reason being is if you're number one you don't get the 30 second pick. You're allowed to, the better you are, the more dominant you are, the more good players

you get, opposite of the NFL. So it's interesting. It just shows you how money divides people, is that nobody was complaining about college football during the Alabama dominance, even though ratings and revenue were dropping. Alabama couldn't sell out all their home games. Like at one point, it's like, you know, you can't schedule. Citadel for a home game. If you beat them by 60,

young kids got things to do. But it bothers people now because there's money involved. People don't mind if there's dynasties. They don't like when you can buy them. And my argument is there's only one of the top four NIL basketball programs left,

and that's Duke. BYU couldn't win a single game. Kentucky and Louisville won one game. So Iowa didn't spend any money. Purdue's not spending any money. We'll have next hour. We'll have Mick Cronin, UCLA's basketball coach. Do I think money helps?

Absolutely. In baseball, for instance, I think you have to hit, you've got to get to about $135, $140 million. You can be viable. You may not win a World Series, but you can be viable. You can win, you know, you can win 85, 90 games and be a fun team to watch. But what NIL has really done, people think it's stacking the deck for the rich.

And I'm like, no, it's not. it's broadening the deck. Indiana Hoosier's winning an Addy. Illinois basketball looks as good as anybody. Iowa basketball. Everybody thinks it's going to stack the deck. To me, it's widened the deck among power conference teams. Rick Petino addressed it this week.

You will see it again. I think you will see it again. But I do feel what's even better than that is the fact that the Blue Bloods no longer control basketball. any longer. There's no difference between Kentucky, North Carolina than Illinois or St. John's. There's no difference anymore. So there's no such a thing as a blue blood anymore. There's no difference between North Carolina State and somebody else. Everybody's the same. Everybody is the same in basketball, and that's what's going to make it a great product. So BYU had huge money, could not win a game in the tournament. Iowa, very little money. They're in elite eight. It reminds me of the NFL.

In fact, I was thinking about this yesterday. Seahawks, Rams, N-N-N-Rams. The best division in football, strong argument, is the NFC West. Seahawks won the Super Bowl. Rams are favored to win the Super Bowl next year, and the Niners are always viable, as long as, you know, Brock Purdy's upright, they're going to be good. Here's what's funny about that. There's different ways to do it, just like NFL, just like NIL. So you have the Seahawks have a reclamation project at quarterback. The Rams

have a number one pick at quarterback, and the Niners have the last guy drafted. Seventh round, last pick, at quarterback. There's so much variability in the NFL. The Philadelphia Eagles

won a Super Bowl. We don't love their quarterback or their coach. The Kansas City Chiefs won Super Bowl. with an all-time coach and a superstar quarterback. The Seahawks won a Super Bowl because their GM never misses on pop picks and Sam Darnold, who's good behind a power run game signed a team-friendly contract. And then that's what's really interesting. Kansas City does it with superstar Hall of Fame head coach and star quarterback,

like New England. New England, for the record, never had the best roster. It was never about that. Never big free agent players. never about that. Last year, New England spent a fortune on free agency, and they got to the Super Bowl. So, I mean, Denver's should have gotten to the Super Bowl. They drafted a quarterback that John Payton liked, but a lot of people thought was a second

round quarterback. So I guess my point is there's just a lot of different ways to win in college sports. Money matters, but what are you doing with the money? And it's the same thing in the NFL. I mean, literally, for two years, the number one most talk is. about playing the NFL was the tush push. That was the unstoppable play. Then last year it was a little bit more stoppable.

And here comes Seattle with their great GM and their great young defense based on amazing drafting. So there's, I mean, the Buccaneers did it with a 43-year-old quarterback. I think he was 43 at the time, who really was more mental than physical. That was a totally different way to do it with an old head coach that wasn't a hipster. He was an old school guy. So sports can be kind of, you know, homogenous at times, like in basketball, you got to shoot threes and in baseball, you know,

the launch angle, you know, you want some power. I don't know. I look at the NIL and I think it's broadened and out. I think it's given all sorts of teams a chance to compete. If you get to a baseline number of money. Colin, did you notice it's not just the blue bloods are kind of done? There's no huge advantage like in college football. But the smaller guys, the Illinois, And they're not that small. They have to figure out where can I find an edge? So they went internationally. Right.

Right. And grabbed all these guys. Arizona had several international players. Well, the next frontier, I'm telling you, is going to be D3 and D2 guys. Because not everybody grows at the same rate. You know, some guys in high school, they pop freshman software year in Division 2 or 3. Remember Duncan Robinson?

He was like a Division 3 star. Goes to Michigan. Boom. He's a $50 million guy in the NBA. So I don't want to hear this Cinderella is dead. If you're on the low major or mid-major, you've got to find a new edge. Yeah, and let's slow down on Cinderella's dead. Cinderella was always pretty dead.

I always thought, I said this 100 times. The mythology around March Madness was always overstated. It was what you would get every weekend. You used to get two or three upsets. You wouldn't get 12. You weren't getting 12 upset. Now, it did feel like the little guy, Belmont, could lose to Duke by eight, not 18.

Yes, but those little guys were never winning the, I mean, Butler is a historic outlier. You can go back to John Wooden and UCLA, the Kentucky teams, the Duke teams, the Carolina's team. College basketball has been dominated by the same six programs. Largely, yeah. My whole life. I mean, remember the Lehigh took down Duke. Remember that? C.J. McCollum's Lehigh team.

I still remember it. And it's not like Lehigh is going to win a seven game. series with Duke. But it just proves that the small guy, right, has a chance to sit at the table with the big boy and take him down. College football never offered the small guy a chance. Ever. Now it does. And I kind of like that. SMU making a college football playoff. Indiana was a small guy for decades. They're now at the table and winning Natty's. And I think that's why the SEC crowd is really ticked off. You've got politicians down there saying, here's how we end NIL. It's like, whoa, guy, what are you doing? Stick to politics.

I mean, good luck ending NIL. By the way, I think the SEC, if you really truly believe that and you're at the SEC commissioner, okay, you end NIL for your conference and see how competitive you are. Because players are paid, that's not going backwards. We're not going to go backwards and not pay the players. Now, I do think there have been tweaks to the transfer portal, which is you're allowed to transfer once anywhere you want. The second time you have to sit out one

year. I don't know if I like that. And it should be noted. Not that many guys are transferred in three and four times. It's very, very rare. Most guys transfer once. So the guy in Illinois, Suryakovic, Paya is his father. You saw him last time. He's on his third

team in three years. Right? I don't personally have a problem with that. Some people are like, wow, that's not great. Who cares? Why do you care that Stryakovic's son is bouncing around college basketball looking for the right fit. Why would you care? Give them the freedom to go around and make money.

Let him go to the market and he'll go to the highest bidder. What's a big deal? Yeah, I don't have a problem with guys getting paid. I think we tend to kind of demonize new stuff and I think it's fine. I think anytime you bring in something that is drastically different in any platform or any business, you bring in something that is drastically different. it's never solved day one. It's always the wild, wild west.

I mean, you know, I can remember when taxis are replaced by Uber. And it was what, there were lawsuits. It was wild. Now Uber, you got Lyft, you got Waymo, the world changes. And I think, but college sports made such dramatic changes overnight. And so there's been a lot of like bailing water trying to figure out what's right. And they'll figure it out. But I'll tell you, the attendance, the numbers, the excitement, the passion, the ratings, the revenue.

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