The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - The Chiefs resurgence, the struggles of the Bills and their chances fading, Greg Cosell

Episode Date: October 16, 2025

Greg Cosell from NFL Films joins the show to break down the Kansas City Chiefs resurgence led by Patrick Mahomes and what’s behind their recent dominance. Colin and Greg also dissect the struggles of the Buffalo Bills and Josh Allen, uncovering the reasons why Buffalo’s high expectations are falling short this seasonSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox Sports Radio in noon to 3 Eastern, 9 a.m. to noon Pacific. Find your local station for the herd at Fox SportsRadio.com or stream us live every day on the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. We're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's Thursday. Greg Co. Sells around the corner, 46 years at NFL films. We are live at Chicago. It's the herd. Mariners still lead the Jays 2 or 1 in the series. Dodgers and the Brewers. Resuming play. You know, so tonight, old guys, Aaron Rogers, quarterback for the Steelers

faces old guy Joe Flacco for Cincinnati at Paycor Stadium in Cincinnati years ago, I think it was about 2008 Jerry Cooney met George Foreman in Vegas and they called it two geysers at Seasers.

So I'm going to call Aaron and Flacco tonight, two guys who were old and sore at Paycor. I'm going to take Aaron and the Steelers, 27, 23. I think it's a fairly competitive game.

Here's Aaron Rogers talking about facing another 40-year-old quarterback. I think it's great for all the old guys, you know. I know that when I watch other sports, maybe it's because I'm the older guy, but I tend to pull for the older guys to win, to win championships. Aaron can go five and one tonight with a win.

Greg Kossel, 15 minutes. We all get smarter. So many questions to ask. So I think in the last three weeks, I think Mahomes has been so good. And I was saying it this week, only the chiefs can take Hollywood Brown and Jujo's Miss Schuster.

And all of a sudden you're like, oh, these are dynamic players. Now, were these good, I've always thought he's a bit more gadget guy than he is volume guy. But when you look at the Chiefs, is it Mahomes' magic or is it scheme? Because Hollywood Brown could go on 30 teams and not make an impact. And yet it's a couple of touchdowns on the Chiefs. Is it scheme or Mahomes? Well, Colin, it's funny.

I thought last week in particular was very scheme-based. I thought they had a really good sense. And it comes, of course, from Andy Reid and Matt Nagy, a very good sense. of what they were getting from the Lions defense. Now, don't forget the Lions were playing with backup corners on the outside. They were playing with a number of other backups as well. And I thought they had a really good feel for what they were going to get in certain situations. And I thought it was really scheme-based.

It wasn't a Mahomes game in the sense that, wow, he did some special things. I thought he executed at a really high level, a really well-designed offense. I thought the best individual play he made, Colin, was on the first possession when he hit Smith-Schuster on the crosser. That was not the primary receiver. That was the backside crosser. And that was just one of those special Mahomes plays because Kirby Joseph, who's very good as an interceptor, reads quarterbacks. Well, he was waiting right there. And I think he thought he was going to make a play on the ball.

But Mahomes, with the arm strength and just his understanding of spatial awareness, which is as good as anyone we've seen, just made a big time throw. But that game was much more to me watching the tape scheme-based than, wow, look at these great individual plays. So let's talk about the team that was seen as the nemesis, the arts nemesis, the primary rival of the chiefs, Buffalo. So my take is what you want to do in the NFL is draft a quarterback, get the right quarterback, and then make him comfortable, weapons and protection. Drake London, Jean Robinson, Michael Pennix. For, We can just say Buffalo's defense isn't very good, but I thought Pennix and London and Robinson,

I thought that was a pretty potent, especially indoors. That was a pretty potent offense. Was it not? It is. And the way they use Bejohn Robinson is really good. I mean, Bejohn Robinson, in my view, is the best running back in the league, but he's more than just a running back. They line him up all over.

This is a pistol offense, by the way. They run pistol very, very, very. high percentage. And the number one run that they have, they're an outside zone run team, which you run at a pistol. 71 of Bejohn's carries this year, of his 83 carries have come at a pistol, and it's outside zone for the most part. But they really use him in multiple ways. The bills don't really have a strong pass rush. They've tried to upgrade it, but it's still not good enough with a four-man D line. And offensively, Colin, to me, when you have Josh Allen, I think that your past game needs to be a little more expansive.

I know they don't have great receivers. But you know what? To me, to construct a pass game tactically and conceptually and the way you attack zone, I think they need to do more things. You know, Josh Allen's a quarterback. He can make throws. I almost feel like they're a running football team. And if the game demands, then it's time for Josh.

But I don't think you can play like that every week. I think you need more consistency with what you. you do conceptually in your past game. Yeah, no, I said it this week is that I feel like Sean Payton squeezes every ounce out of Bo Nix. Ben Johnson has clearly gotten more to Caleb than the previous coach. Andy Reid does it with gadget players and backups. I rarely watch Buffalo and go, wow, that's creative offensively.

I don't. I think they have some players I like, but I don't see that. Speaking of Caleb, I didn't think he was great on Monday night. I think there are two things I worried about out of U.S. Yeah, I watched him out of U.S.C. The two criticisms that were valid, consistent accuracy and playing within structure. I think he's gotten better within structure. I think his accuracy is still a major problem.

How would you grade him on Monday nights win? I would say that both of the things you said are very valid. I think even some completions that he hasn't been as sharp with his ball location as he needs to be. That's an area he must continue to improve. He throws a beautiful ball. He's an easy thrower. I think Ben Johnson has really designed some really good things for him. That touchdown to Swift on third down was just a beautifully conceived and well-designed play

that presented just an easy routine throw, and then, of course, Swift, with the run-after catch. But I think the ball location, which is the better term now than just accuracy, the ball location has to get more and more consistent because there's a lot of in-breaking throws in the Ben Johnson offense, and you want to hit receivers on in-breaking throws where they have run-after catch. And he needs to get better at that because that's foundationally much of what that offense is in the past game.

So you and I have both always loved Justin Herbert, and that Chargers Colts game is going to be a real game. Herbert made a play to Ladd-McConkie switching hands with the ball is that what's fascinating about the Chargers now, we know the coach is good. We know Herbert's great, but they didn't have Quentin Johnson. They didn't have their top two backs. They didn't have their tackles. So when you look at film on the Chargers, and sometimes fans and the media, we can be unfair with this. There's just things, Greg, they can't do now. So when I watch them, I'm like, you know, Ladd McConkey's great.

No Quentin Johnson, no tackles, third running back. For the Chargers to win that game, traveling 3,000 miles, I was actually impressed. I thought it would be close. Now that Alt Hampton, Khalil Max coming back, when you watch the Chargers on film, is there anything more Herbert and on Harbaugh can do? this is just what they are now. Well, I think they played that game based on tape study not to expose the limitations of the offensive line because there were a lot of quick rhythm, three-step drop timing, quick five-step

drop timing throws. He rarely dropped back deep. He did not, he hardly ever threw the ball at the intermediate and deeper levels. Everything was quick game, Colin. And I think your point's right. Right now they're playing with backup tackles. Bobby Hart played right tackle. They signed him last week.

He was there for five days, and he's starting at right tackle. So they played this game not to expose their offensive line. And they played 16 snaps with three tight ends and actually ran the ball very effectively out of that. And even this touchdown to Vidal came out of three tight ends in the low red zone. So right now, now it's coaching. Now you have to understand what you can do and what you can't do and play accordingly. So Philadelphia, speaking of coaching, we've said this before. Siriani's more motivator than scheme guru.

And when they had good coordinator, Stuyken, and Stuyken took over the play calling, they were elite. He leaves, they substitute, find a new O.C. It does not look good. Tailspin. Then they get Kellyn Moore. It's better. Now they've made another replacement for a young man that was on the staff, had never called plays.

I think they have a little bit of a coaching crisis. people could point to injuries, but it's the NFL, nobody's totally healthy. Don't they have to just, if I just said to you, they run the ball 51 times this week with a variety of people. Isn't it just as simple as guys? Here's what we are. We're a run team. Is it any more complicated than that? Well, not significantly so, but I think when you watch their tape the last couple of years, okay?

Don't forget they had an historic season a year ago with the run game. But I think when you watch the tape and people around the league would echo this, they were built on having arguably the best O line in the league a really good defensive front. Don't forget in 2022, you can talk Stuyken all you want. They led the NFL in quarterback sacks and had about 30 of them on third down. So they were a team built in the trenches. It started with the O line and the D line. And right now, neither one of those units is playing at even an average level. So the question you then ask is where do they go from here?

You know, can they get the running game back? The O-line has been poor this year, Colin, not even average, but poor. So the question is, what's next? Do you have to try to create, you know, to use your term, gimmick-type plays on offense? What can you do on offense? You also on offense always have to play to what your quarterback is. And I think they've told you, I don't think we have to guess this. I think they've told you by how they play that they believe that Jaylen Hertz has pure dropback

limitations, which by the way the tape does show. So the question is, if they can't run it, are they limited in what the answers are? You know, I don't know if we know the answer 100%, but I think they're kind of telling you that they're uncertain where to go right now. Okay, so I got, before we get to our big play, I want to talk about Green Bay. So, I think Jordan Love is the best quarterback in the league that nobody will admit is a good quarterback. He's got the size of the arm to move. Generally, we all kind of know that's a good quarterback.

That's an average guy. I think Jordan's a really good quarterback, but they're not scoring a ton. They're in a lot of close games. Now, my interpretation is this is the youngest offense in the league. It's almost collegiate. It's 23 or 24 and 25. Seattle's a little bit of this. Seattle's really young.

They're finding themselves. And sometimes, you know, this is early for Jordan. It still hasn't played that many games. What do you see? Now, people say, well, they lost here. They're close here. I think Jordan Love is an exceptional quarterback. Not Alan, but he's exceptional.

What is the tape say? You know, it's only third year as a starter, which is probably hard for people to believe. It's not as if he's a 10-year pro. You know, he's a third-year starter. I think one thing that I've really noticed on tape, And when I watched him this week, I even said to one of my guys in the matchup room, I said, you know, I think he's a little bit less reckless now and he's become a little more

efficient in how he plays. Every once in a while, he'll throw one and go, maybe he shouldn't have done that. But I think the way he's playing is a little more refined, a little less reckless, a little more efficient. So there's not as many big plays, which maybe is the reason they're not necessarily scoring as many points. They've gotten the run game going the last couple of weeks. But I think they're sort of settling into being a team that can be, that can win multiple ways.

They can win with a run game. They can win with efficient passing. They can win with big play passing. And I think it will continue to come together. But the tape really shows a quarterback that I believe is just maturing. Yeah. So tonight, Aaron Rogers takes on Pittsburgh. Now, I have defended Aaron.

Pittsburgh's a very unique offense between Washington and Hayward and Friamuth and D.K. Metcalfe. It looks like an NBA front court. It's a giant. There's no small gadgety guys. It is a big, strong, long receiving tight end group. And I think Aaron knows that. There's matchup opportunities. I don't think yet it's a down the field offense.

And I think Aaron knows. It's not. It doesn't look like it to me. So I think Aaron smartly is going, hey, listen, we got to run the ball, 15 yards and in, play good defense, get turnovers, especially when we're playing second tier quarterbacks. The PFF grades and other grades are like, this is bad. And my take is, well, personnel dictate scheme. So you tell me, is Aaron letting go of it early because of age and concern for health? Or does the tape show you this is what they're going to be offensively?

Well, I can't get into Aaron's head. I'm not sure anybody wants to do that. But one thing that the tape shows is they're a very condensed passing game. They played last week with a lot of of 6-0 line personnel. The Darnell Washington kid is just, at tight end, is just a huge guy and a terrific blocker. So they're really playing a specific way, which leads you to believe that they either feel that that's the best way for Aaron to play right now, or they don't have enough on the outside where they feel like they can truly push it down the field. But right now, they're very, very condensed.

And they're winning games. That's the thing. So, you know, you're not going to change until it's demanded that you change. But he does not push the ball down the field at all, Colin. I mean, that's the reality. That's what the tape shows. It's really a tight offense. It's very condensed.

Yeah. And they really do. They're the biggest offense in the league. I mean, Metcalf is the – and, I mean, they're just so big and physical. And I think there's different ways to win in this league, and that's how they're going to have to win. Okay. So the next couple of minutes, I've been so impressed with Drake May. And what's fascinating with young quarterbacks, you know, Bo Nix last year in September

is a rookie. You're like, oh, boy. And then in October, you're like, okay, this works. Drake May has popped in the last three to four weeks. I watch him. He's accurate. He's confident. He's always had size and arm strength and movement.

What on film are you looking at with a Patriots kid and going, wow, that sticks. That lands. When I watch him, I feel like there's such a calculated way in which he plays. He's a very calm player. He's an easy thrower. He's been phenomenal in two areas that you really look at for young quarterbacks. That's third down and versus blitz. But one trait that he clearly has, and a lot of young quarterbacks really struggle with this,

is what I call pocket movement, which is different than leaving the pocket column. He moves around the pocket. He keeps his eyes downfield. He does not drop his eyes and look at it. at the rush. He keeps his eyes downfield. He moves within the pocket and then makes really good throws. And you don't see a lot of young quarterbacks with that given trait because that's a very refined quarterback trait. But he just looks very comfortable. And you know, you talk about coaches. I know you talked about the Jets. I heard you speak about that. What do you think they should do?

But you bring in a coach like Josh McDaniels who's been doing it a long time with a proven track record, knows how to work with quarterbacks. That's the way, to me, you have to do it with a young quarterback. And then he can design things, too, that present clean looks and clean throws. And we can take a look at the big play from this week. We're actually seeing it right now, but we can see it again and take a look at it. This was a great example of that. I mean, this was a shot play.

And a shot play is where teams want to push it down the field. When they get between the 40s, they want to take a shot down the field, and how do they go about doing it? And this was just a great example of that. They're going to put Drake May under center. That's what you normally see with shot plays, because there's going to be a play action element to it. And then they're going to take Hunter Henry, the tight end. They're going to motion him across the formation.

And what you're going to end up with is it goes from a two-by-two set to a three-by-one set. So there's ultimately going to be three receivers to the wide side of the field. Now, this will eventually impact the safeties, and we're going to see that as we get further. into the play. But let's now take a look at what this route concept is. You're going to see a very common route concept on shot plays. It's going to be a corner post and a crossing route. It's essentially a two-man route concept because you're going to max protect. You're going to end up protecting here with seven. And that's what you do on shot plays is you want to make sure the

quarterback off the run action is secure in the pocket. So here you're going to see the five off offensive linemen. They're part of the protection, obviously. But then you've got two more. You've got Hunter Henry who moved across the formation, and you've got the third wide receiver, Mack Collins. So they secure him in the pocket. It's seven-man protection. So now let's just revisit the route concept. There's the crosser by Kayshan Booty. And here's the corner post by Douglas. Now, he does such a great job here because you know what happens here? He gets that safety, because now the safety is rotated, that single high safety, as soon as he turns to the sideline, which he will,

based on the corner element of the corner post, he's done, because now he cannot play the post. So now I'm not going to say this is an easy throw, Colin, because it's, you know, 40, 50 yards down the field, but it's a defined, clean look. And that's what you're trying to do with young quarterbacks. And as I said, this was a shot play. So this is what they wanted to get the ball down the field.

that was the number one read here, is to throw this ball. But I think they're doing a really good job with him. There's a lot of clean looks, clean throws, and he's just played very calculated, very comfortable, and really has improved, I think, each and every week. Greg Kosell, NFL Films, 46 years, as always, we get smarter. Thanks, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it.

For the record, I defended a broadcaster for another network that used to work at this network, and you notice Greg Kosell said, same thing that broadcaster did. And I've been saying this week is Caleb wasn't great. He left about six completions potentially, you know, on the dirt. And if not, maybe four. And then three or four other balls. I mean, one of the great things about Brady. And you see that Herbert's really good at this. In fact, Ladd-McConkie was talking about it this week is that when Herbert let's go with the ball, you catch the ball as a receiver moving in that direction. You didn't have, you don't

have to wait for Herbert's ball and you don't have to reach back for it. Accuracy is really important. Duh, but that's like with Brady. Guys, I mean, Edelman's not a four three guy, but Edelman runs like that when he's at full speed and the ball's in his hands going forward. You can turn a four-four guy to a four-three guy. Guys get really fast when they don't have to stop to catch it. So Caleb's just got to be more consistently accurate. And I said, when that film came out in camp where he was getting very frustrated with accuracy, he's aware of it. He knows it. You know, Jaden Daniels, I thought last year, had that. Bo Nicks had it on short throws. Bo is very accurate. If he gets the ball out to Mims or Franklin or Harvey right in the sweet spot, where I'm going, they don't throw hospital

balls. There's a lot of tricks. Don't throw balls that get guys hurt. Don't throw balls where they have to go back and they set themselves up. That's where Caleb's got to grow. I do think he's playing and being coachable in structure. That part, I think he's shown clear strides over three weeks. He may just never be a super accurate quarterback. Colin, how much of this is, it was an island game on Monday, right? I know there were two games going on, but really the second half, everybody was just watching

Caleb. Because if he played like he did Monday at 1 p.m. on Sunday, I don't think there's any of this discussion. Well, he missed a couple throws. It feels like nitpicking. I'm not defending Ben Johnson pushing back. It just, I thought Caleb was fine. He's a second year quarterback in a brand new system. He ain't going to

ever be Justin Herbert. I'll tell you that right now. And he was fine. I said he was fine. Yeah. But let's not go beyond that. He was fine and they won. Washington was driving for the win in the cover and fumble. So it's like, it was fine. Yeah. You had a three turnover advantage.

you know that Washington's not a great team so far. I'm still not sure Jaden Daniels is 100%. I think he's close to it, but I don't think he's quite there. But it's interesting because they got the Saints this week, the Bears, okay? Lines coming down. There's some money coming in on the Saints. Not a lot, but it's early. I'm curious how Caleb handles a little success, Colin, right?

His coach is defending him in the media. He beat Jayden Daniels head to head. No, he's a very aspirational kid. He wants to be great. He's a worker. I don't worry about any of that. And you can see he's coachable because he is playing in structure. That part I'm seeing.

But the accuracy thing, we've got to be honest. Like, Bo Nix may never be a great deep ball thrower. And Caleb may be around 62 and a half percent, 63. With his horsepower, you're fine. But don't say, never say never, because we're seeing Baker turning around, Darnold turning around to the point. Daniel Jones. I mean, maybe it's just six games or whatever.

But Daniel Jones is doing things we never saw him do with the Giants. Remember, he was Vanilla Vic. He was just running because he couldn't throw. Yeah. No, I think I thought it was an encouraging step. And I'll say this. The thing about the Bears is the last two games, they won, they would have lost those last year. They're winning.

This league is double use. Win the game. You know, this is not baseball where you, well, you know what, tomorrow we're going to use the bullpen. Like, win the game. Everything wins solves a lot. lot in a locker room. Dave Wansfeld always says that. You can lose two straight games. You can lose games. You lose three straight. You start losing the locker room. And so the Bears last year lost the room. They weren't just losing games. So just winning games on a block kick or a fumble,

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This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from Hypocrite as part of the Mike Coutura Podcast Network available on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I just saw where the Sportico came out with their latest valuations of the most valuable NBA franchises. And the Warriors at $11.5 billion are the most valuable NBA franchise. Fakers follow Nix are in the $9 billion range. So Clippers, I think, were fourth. It shows you the power of Los Angeles.

Years ago when the Rams left St. Louis to go to Los Angeles, there was a lot of complaining. How can you pull it out of St. Louis? How can you not pull it out of St. Louis? L.A. didn't have an NFL franchise. I think the Spanos's moving up was much tougher from San Diego, which you had a diehard fan base up the I-5. That was a tougher move, but they had issues with local politicians. St. Louis is kind of a dying American city. L.A. needed like a, I mean, it is.

St. Louis, Hartford, there are cities in America that are not ascending and growing and they're not terribly economically vibrant. And there are cities that like New York and Chicago and Philly and Boston and Atlanta and Dallas and L.A. that are in San Francisco. So I, you know, I think the reality was when you moved Los Angeles, Stan Cronkey, own the team. And it's like, how do you not do this? I mean, for years and years, like Las Vegas. You're sitting there thinking no state tax. It'll be a great winter destination. You know, you put them in a division. You've got Denver and you've got Kansas City. Where are you going to go if you have a December game? You're going to go to Las Vegas or a November game. So it's just, it's interesting. Like the Warriors when I was a kid were great. Then they went forever of being mediocre.

They're back as a, you know, a hot franchise number one valuation right now in the NB. JMAQ with the news. JMAQ with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. All right, Con, let's start with the other New York football team, not my Jets. Let's go to the Giants.

Jackson, Darten, Cam Scataboo. They got the city taken by storm. The vibes are great. I got some nicknames for these two shortly, but first, let's go to the young QB talking about the new culture in New York for the Giants. you know the vibe is just you know we're trying to set a standard in the locker room um you know we're trying to play tough um we're trying to you know win at all costs yeah Denver Denver's interesting because the Giants O line is okay they're coming off a big win and feeling themselves and Denver

played poorly and won struggled with a New York team they shouldn't my my head is telling me that Denver should win and Jackson Dart and Scataboo struggle. Yeah, I like where your head is at. So a couple nicknames are floating around about these two guys. Right, there are two young white guys in the Giants. Dart is handsome, right? He's got that look with the headband going on. So I've seen exciting whites to describe Dart and Scataboo.

And then someone else has suggested Arm and Hammer, you know, like the baking soda. Oh, that's good. Listen, people love these guys. We had one of the hair ladies here at Fox, not ladies, she's younger. But she was at the Giants Eagles game and she's like, Jason, what do you think of Cam Scataboo? And she just said his energy, just being like around him. He is just like fun and happy and everybody likes that guy. So there's something going on here.

But I think it ends this weekend. I think the Broncos put it on him. I'll be surprised if Jackson Dart survives this game if he wants to run like he has been, because those Broncos linebackers are some of the best in the league. Yeah, and it's Armandhammer is funny. You like that? Scataboo is he went like in the fourth round and it's interesting. I watched a lot of Arizona State.

I watched them in college. I didn't think Jackson Dart was a first round quarterback. I thought he was a second round quarterback. Scataboo, I had no idea. So it's very rare in the NFL when you draft two guys and there's a lot of questions and they both deliver. Both are better. Nobody thought Scatibu would be this. Yeah.

I mean, listen, everybody in the league passed on him three times. and many teams, you know, they passed on him four times. So everybody's now an expert in hindsight. Scataboo is better than everybody thought. I went back after that game last week, and I went back and looked at his draft previews. And, I mean, people, there was a lot people liked about him. But he is a line, he's an interior linebacker that plays running back, and that's how he plays.

Come on. He's awesome. Let me ask you this. This is a tough question. At right now, as of this juncture, middle of October 2025, would you rather be the Giants? Or the Jets. Now, take your time. Don't just say, oh, then not the Jets, obviously.

Just Jackson Dart at your quarterback. Jets have nothing. Who would you rather be? Well, I've said before. The Giants have an elite defensive front. The Jets are hit and miss. The Giants have their left tackle. The Giants, when healthy, have a star receiver,

apparently a franchise quarterback, and an offensive coach. Okay. Jets have a coach who appears to be a coordinator. I'm going to go with wrong answer. Jackson Dart franchise quarterback after what, four games? Simming down now, Colin. Come on. Listen, he may flame out quickly.

The Jets are going to get the number one pick. You want an elite super star. We don't know that Darts elite. You think he's got the potential to be elite? We don't know if Dante Moore is a great quarterback. Hey, mock draft came out today. Ty Simpson with going number one to the Jets, Alabama kid, who I've been hyping on the show.

I'm just saying, I know Jets fans are down. Guys, it's the darkness before the light comes, okay? It's dark right now. It looks bleak. Cowards making fun of us every day. We're in a good spot. All right, let's move on to the Niners, Colin. Finally, a topic that J. Mack likes, Brock Purdy.

Yes, he's back, Colin. One of the best quarterbacks in the league returns to practice, but he's limited. I am waiting for Ricky Pearsall, aka Rishi Rice, to return to the lineup. We don't know. We don't know about Joanne Jennings. Obviously, Warner's down for the season. and Bosa as well. Niners Falcons is interesting.

Does it matter to you if it's Purdy or McEnroe Jones? It doesn't necessarily. I'm more interested in Pierce, Saul, and Iuke. It's, you know, I feel like Mack Jones and Purdy can both run the offense. I think Mac throws a better ball. I think Purdy is a better, you know, he moves a little bit better. I think I like San Francisco in this game if they're reasonably healthy. They're not going to be a great defense.

Saul, I love, but they're not going to be. They just don't have the personnel right now. Warner's out, Bo's out, Tofunga's gone, Hufunga's gone, Greenlaw's gone. Those are four really, really high-end players. So the problem is the Falcons defensive pressure has been amazing this year. It's not necessarily the drafted guys. They just have depth.

They keep coming in waves. They seem to rattle Josh Allen on Monday night football. And if Purdy's not 100% with that toe, they could be in some trouble this week. I'm reluctant to take the Falcons on the road. but that's an interesting game. Sunday night football, not like a marquee game,

but could be good. Final story, Colin, let's go to the Dolphins Browns game. Now, how about this one? We have a weather report that is saying wins could be 50 to 60 miles an hour. Now, listen, it's only Thursday.

The game is still Sunday. The National Weather Service says this is certainly a system worth keeping an eye on. 94% chance of rain. Colin, Listen, I tried to tell people this week. Browns and the under.

The young fellow Judkins from Ohio State probably goes off against this Miami defense. And we know Tua and those South Florida boys. Well, we also, it's a bad week for Miami. Tewa yesterday. Apologize for what he said after the game. So it's a weird week for Miami. This is not built for them. Although I would, you could certainly make a case that it will force Miami to run the ball.

and they have their moments. Not against this Browns defensive. No way. The run defense of the Browns is exceptional. Top five unit in the league? Listen, 176, Browns, something like that? Dylan Gabriel's celebrating?

Are you feeling that? Is this in the herd hierarchy tomorrow? Not the herd hierarchy. The blaze in five tomorrow? This is one of the seven games. I make seven picks. I take five. This is one of the seven.

I would be on the home team here. but I don't, I may have to, I don't like, I don't ever like taking bad quarterback play and saying, well, the defense, bad quarterbacks fumble, bad quarterbacks limit the playbook, bad quarterbacks don't inspire teammates. I always, you know, if I miss on picks, it's often taking a talented quarterback getting points. That, that, I mean, that, that to me is, is more fun to watch than bad, I've never bet Spencer Rattler with the Saints. He doesn't win enough games. He's very average. I just don't, I don't enjoy putting money and betting on teams hoping they don't make mistakes because I know they have a low ceiling. So how about this?

Have you seen a lot more from Jackson Dart than say Dylan Gabriel through a handful of games? You know, one's a first round pick and one's a... No, no, I'm just talking about what you've seen on the field. Both have good offensive minds, Davele and Stafans. Yeah, it's not close. Jackson's a better athlete. He moves better. Yeah, I think Jackson's got a better arm and moves better. I think Dylan Gabriel in a system can complete passes, but I think Jackson darts the better athlete. I don't think it's close.

J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. That athletic ability for a quarterback for the first two years is essential. I mean, a lot of the star quarterbacks in this league, the Allens, the Herberts, the Lamar, a lot of these guys, Josh Allen, as they're learning,

I mean, Bo Nicks last year, run for first downs. Caleb Williams, move the chains. Jaden Daniels, move the chains. There's a really high percentage of quarterbacks that hit in this league. C.J. Stroud had a very good first year question since. It's running for first downs in your first two years, picking up moving chains while you're learning NFL defenses.

It would be hard to draft a Jared Goff today. It would be hard to draft that. That's really an outlier. You want guys that can move. Cade Clubnick from Clemson. He can move. Dante Moore at Oregon. He can move. So these defenses, the coaching in the NFL is so much more sophisticated. You've got older players, more hours to coach. You're just getting older, smarter, more experienced players that have more time. They don't take classes. You know, they don't have a midterm or a final. So while you're figuring out how to operate behind an NFL offensive line, it's nice to pick up first downs with your legs.

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