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Episode Date: February 2, 2023

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However you may be listening. IHeart Radio, Fox Sports Radio, FS1. I was just talking to J.MAC here about next year, not this year's draft, next year's draft, we have two superstar college quarterbacks. And I mean, in the Trevor Lawrence, they're going to win. Drake May at Carolina and Caleb Williams at U.S. see, they're really, really special quarterbacks. And much

higher perception on their ability than anybody in this class, although people really like Bryce Young, but he is a buck 90 max. History of the league is, guys are getting bigger, stronger, that is just small. So if he went to a bad team with the bad

O'line, Bryce Young, that's trouble. And Stroud and Will Levis, they're fine. I've come to a point for years and years I've always made big predictions on quarterback. Sometimes I've been very right, Zach Wilson,

sometimes I've been very wrong, Sam Darnold, very right, Baker Mayfield, Jamarcus Russell. I've really come to the point all these years is, I view them now differently. There are 90% of the quarterbacks

that come out, maybe 95% will be as successful as the organization they inherit. Bad coach, bad line, bad structure, you're screwed. And then there's Andrew luck, and there's Trevor Lawrence, and next year I think there's Caleb Williams.

Then you get the occasional, maybe twice a decade-ish outlier. And that may become three or four because quarterback plays getting better and more advanced at an earlier age. The way I look at quarterbacks now is overwhelmingly, there's a couple times a decade. Again, that may be greater. But we watched how good Josh Allen was and how bad he was as a rookie and how he regress this year when he didn't have the right coach right he didn't have brian dable and that's josh allen that is a mega talent we watched trevor lawrence as a rookie be engulfed in flames this year he made the playoffs

so coaching matters structure matters i think next year you have two guys i'll watch them again this year but my gut feeling is they were so good as like sophomores or underclassmen they will succeed i don't think justin fields is good enough i mean you can say what you one about the Bears' offensive line. Justin Herber went to the Chargers with the second worst offensive line in the league according to PFF, 31 touchdowns, 10 picks. It was an awful low line and a coach that got fired.

Justin Fields, to me, he's just not talented enough to overcome the nonsense in Chicago. And so next year, I was saying to JMAQ, who do we know is going to be bad next year? You know, this league is hard, but Houston and Arizona look really bad. Very bad. After that, you could argue about the Colts.

You could argue about Chicago. If the Jets don't land a quarterback, watch out. Houston, Arizona, there's problems. Houston is a multi-year rebuild. Arizona is really... I mean, Arizona doesn't even have a coach yet, do they? I don't think they've hired a coach. Kyler Murray ain't going to start the season.

I don't think he'll be there for... If Arizona starts like 2 and 7 without Kyler Murray, what's he coming back for? By the way, if they start 2 and 7, Kyler, why don't you just sit out? Well, let me toss the team at you real quick. Tom Brady's retired. Tampa Bay is looking at Kyle Trask or they could say,

hey, let's throw a Hail Mary to Derek Carr, bring him in and rejuvenate things. Or, hey, what if we just tore it down? We said Mike Evans, let's trade him. He's, you know, getting up there in age. He's getting a second round pick for Mike Evans. I don't know. Defense is going to lose like five or six starters to free agency. Why don't we just stink for a year, try to reboot and get a great quarterback?

Also, they have a Super Bowl and three playoff years in a row, so they have equity with their fans. You know, their fans aren't sitting here starving for wins. So you lose Brady. I think it's a really good point. I think Garoppolo could fit and you'd win games. I don't think you're... Are you coming out of the NFC with Jimmy Garoppolo in Tampa?

Remember, this is not Tom Brady's Tampa. Coming out of the NFC? No. Winning the division potentially? Yes. But I think your point is a legitimate one, which is when you have equity with a fan base, and I lived in Tampa for a couple years,

they love their bucks. they love their bucks. You've had a lot of stability last three years and a lot of wins, playoff wins, I think the fans would be like, if you polled fans in Tampa, my guess is the smart ones overwhelmingly would be

we take tanking and get Caleb Williams or Drake May. Those guys are A-plus-plus talent. You know who doesn't want that? Todd Bowles, who just had a bad year, they got destroyed at home in the playoffs. And if they win three games next year, is Bowles coming back? No.

So he's going to push against it. He's going to push back against it, but it was an organization. and what's best for the franchise, it's probably being very bad. I don't think you're wrong. And if Houston takes Bryce Young and they're bad,

they won't take a quarterback. So even if Atlanta is worse than you, you don't have to have the number one pick because Houston's getting a quarterback this year. Somebody else is drafting C.J. Stroud that's currently bad. They won't. So just because somebody,

if you have the third worst record, doesn't mean the first two team. Houston is going to, to take a quarterback. And by the way, so if Arizona is bad, they still have Kyler Murray's contract. So they won't take a quarterback. Arizona gets very interesting what they do. I will say I'm quietly rooting for Bryce Young to Detroit, I believe at six. No. With that offensive line, with that offensive line? Jared Goff is fine. You know what? It's better than fine. A quarterback on a rookie deal and you can build all around Detroit. And that's an NFC potential. Philadelphia.

style in Detroit. I love this idea. Do you see Jared Gough's numbers this year? Did you watch him out duel Aaron Rogers at Lambo? He lives dear me on the beach out here in the South Bay. He's got a summer house. He can go play volleyball as he his dog looks identical to mine, a golden retriever. All very fascinating.

Greg Kosell, 43 years NFL films joins us live. Anyway. All right, Tom put his feet in the sand he's retired. When you go back about defining quarterback characteristics

of Tom Brady and you look at film I mean this is what you do for a living what are things to be the goat you've got to be pretty special

at multiple things what are the defining characteristics you look at when you look at all these quarterbacks and you say yep he did that as well as anybody else he did that as well as anybody else

well because I don't you know get to do what teams do and spend time with players, let's say leading up to a draft, I'm looking at it from sitting in my office and watching tape. And I would say that the things that stand out to me about Brady, number one, he was precisely accurate. His ball placement was consistently precise. And I think you have to start there because when all said and done, if you can't throw the ball where you want to,

you don't have anything. Number two, the thing that stood out to me as his career progressed, was just how good he was before the ball was snapped. Yeah. We live in an era now, Colin, where defenses are far more multiple, far more detailed, far more nuanced than they ever were. And to be a really great quarterback, snap after snap, week in and week out for years and years, you really have to have a great understanding of the game,

both with your offense and what defenses are showing you before the snap of the ball. It's too hard to figure out. this out as you're dropping back because everything is happening so fast. So to me, Tom Brady was an absolute master and knowing what was going on before the ball was snapped. And then just the ability to repeat, and a lot of people don't talk about this anymore, and some people don't think it's important. Maybe I'm old school, Colin, but I do. Repetitive mechanics. He threw the ball the same way all the time.

I know now with what Patrick Mahomes does and he's incredibly special. I mean, you know, you're not necessarily going to teach a young kid to play like Patrick Mahomes with all those off-platform throws and all those kinds of things that he can just do because he's truly special. You teach someone how to do it the right way. And to me, Tom Brady, everything was done the right way 99% of the time. Repetitive mechanics, he looked the same throwing the ball, his footwork, his base, his upper, body. Everything was in sync. He delivered the ball the right way all the time. And I think that those things really stand out to me about Brady. But one quick point, you couldn't make the argument

that although defenses have changed and although teams obviously throw the ball far more than they did years ago, he essentially plays the game the way, let's say, Bart Starr and Bob Greasy played the game 40, 50 years, 60 years ago. You know, he's not a run-around. guy. He drops back and delivers the football. It's just that, you know, the game, the game has changed around him, and therefore he's had to do other things, like be phenomenal before the snap, as I mentioned. But for the most part, he plays the game like the old school quarterbacks. He also had a good enough arm to make all the throws, but it wasn't, but it wasn't great enough that he fell in love with it. A lot of the strong arm quarterbacks, they fall in love with their arm. They

don't work as hard. They think there's more, Favre, he fell in love with his arm. He'd make throws you shouldn't make, ill-advised. Tom's was always, I always said this about Andrew Luck. I was talking to a scout guy once about this. I said, his arm is good enough, but it's not great enough that he's not going to work really, really

hard. And I think Tom, I always thought through a great, bad weather ball because of his hip turn. I always thought his ball moved. I remember years and years ago, he played the game in Chicago and it was white out. It was snowing everywhere. And he threw a ball at the same. sidelines and it was windy and I thought that is a great ball and lousy weather and so it was

always a good enough arm but not now now for the record mohomes has a great arm and he still has an incredible work ethic but i do think that can get you into trouble now no and i agree and i think you know people forget that where brady played his ball cut through the wind in foxborough with no problem at all yeah you're right so sean peyton this is what he does yeah i mean his last year in new orleans they went nine and eight with trevor simeon no michael thomas camaro was hurt james winston and tasem hill so this is what he does and and they you know you go look at the last couple years with teddy bridgewater went five and oh with him this is what he does um what part um where does russell wilson because i said the drop off on hitting deep balls was shocking i

always thought he was a great rainbow it was awful it was awful um that seems to me to be a priority. When you look at the Russell tape, and he was a little better end of the year beginning, where do you see areas he's got to improve? Well, let's look at the marriage between the two. Because I think ultimately, Sean Payton in his NFL career,

for almost all of it, was with Drew Breeze. And what kind of quarterback was Breeze? Breeze was a precision player. Breeze was not, even though he was a very good athlete, better than people thought, Breeze was not really a second reaction player. Everything was schemed, designed, and executed 99% of the time within structure. That's the way Sean Payton will teach it.

So now the question becomes Russell Wilson, who I believe is capable of doing that, but there's a mindset that goes with that. You have to be willing to stay in the pocket late in the down and work through the routes and the progressions. You have to be willing to do that. Breeze was a master at that and then finding space or finding an angle to deliver the football, given that he was just six feet. I think Wilson is capable of that.

He hasn't done a lot of that in his career. Normally he moves. Don't forget, he's been sacked a ton in his career, Colin. And normally, quarterbacks that get sacked a ton, a large percentage of that falls on them, a meaningful percentage. I don't want to say large, a meaningful percentage. So I think Wilson, in so. some ways we'll have to adjust his mindset and maybe we'll find out if he can or he can't.

I think he's physically capable of doing what I suggested, but then you have the mental part and he's played a certain way for a very, very long time. So we'll see how that plays out, but this is an offense that will be built on precision and structure. And we know that Russell Wilson at times does not like to play that way. I want to go. I thought the story that didn't get discussed was. was Kansas City's defense against the Bengals,

Joe Burrell had his worst game since week one coming off that major surgery. And, you know, Burrell just did not have a lot of bad Sundays this year. Accurate, situationally excellent. And I thought he was really off. And, you know, Kansas City's got some rookies on the back end. Yeah. You know, this was a game. I thought Cincinnati would figure out a way late, like they are prone to do,

to have a great second half and figure out a way to wait. win. What did Kansas City do defensively to give Burrell a rare off game by his standards? It's funny you say that about Kansas City because once Sneed got hurt after four plays in their dime defense with six defensive backs, which they played about 25 snaps in the game, they were playing with four rookies, Colin, in their dime defense. And that really hasn't been talked about. I mean, you're in an AFC championship game against a great quarterback, with three, well, Boyd got hurt, but with, you know, quality, quality wide receivers, and you're playing with four rookies. Now, they played a ton in this game of split safety, okay?

That was their coverage foundation. They played a lot of zone with split safety, and they played a lot of two-man coverage, meaning two deep safeties and man underneath. That's a really good coverage against good receivers. And what they did a lot in this game is they bracketed. Jamar Chase. So they took Burrow off of Chase and now you've got to go somewhere else. Okay. And that always changes the mindset of a quarterback. Now, obviously Burrow made some really good throws. The touchdown to Higgins for 27 yards came where they actually bracketed Chase. So he did make some plays. But then you also get into the pass rush. This is a team that is predominantly

and has been this year a four-man D-line pass rush. And they really have good players. Chris Young, Chris Jones is the one everybody thinks about, but you obviously have Frank Clark Dunlap, and Michael Dana, number 51, is a really good player for the Chiefs. He lines up inside and outside. So they were capable of really squeezing the pocket throughout the game, and they are long, with the exception of Dana, these are long athletes. So, you know, they played a certain way, and it was very effective. And, you know, as I said, they bracketed chase quite a bit throughout the game.

What stood out to you about Patrick Mahomes and his offensive performance? No, I think we spoke about this last week, but I am just so, so impressed. I mean, and just his awareness of where people are is mind boggling to me. His spatial awareness, because I got to tell you, I've been watching Mahomes going back to his last two years in college when I studied him in detail, and I'll be the first to admit that I had questions about whether he would be a highly successful NFL quarterback because he just moves, Colin, he just moves. And he does that in the NFL too. The tape tells you there are many times he moves when there's no reason to move. There's no pass rush pressure by NFL standards and he just moves.

But his spatial awareness, his vision that goes along with that is just remarkable. You know, I'm not sure we've seen a guy with those two things at the level of Patrick Mahomes. And, of course, his arm is sensational and his ability to throw from different angles. And by the way, what I said is no knock on the fact that he can also throw really, really well from the pocket. But I think it's just in his DNA to move. And I think that makes it really hard on defenses. I remember talking to a coach a couple years ago who said, when you play against Mahomes, it is really tough because in a sense you have to have two separate defenses.

You have to have one for the first two seconds of a play and then for what happens after two seconds. And that's just really, really hard. All right. Let's go to Philadelphia Niners. What can we take away from the Eagles' defensive performance because Purdy got hurt in the second quarter? What do we take away from it? I don't take much away from that at all. We know what the Eagles defense is.

We know what they are. they're not going to dramatically change. You know, that game, as far as everything changed and when Purdy got hurt, and it's just very hard to really make any comment that means anything besides speculative. We know what the Eagle defense is. So, you know, that to me, there was not a lot there. Okay. So let's talk Jalen Hertz then, because I think there is a lot here. There is.

I don't, I didn't think he threw a touch. I thought some of his underneath routes were low. I mean, like down on the shoes, he's obviously hurt. What did the film say? Yeah, I think that since he's come back from injury and he may be hurting far more than we know, I don't think he's played particularly well. I think that he's been out of rhythm on his drop and his set in his delivery. I think he's been playing a little fast mentally and that results in him playing a little fast

physically. So what he's been doing, which he did early in his career, you know, know, in his second season more so, is he breaks down in the pocket when there's no need to break down in the pocket. He's getting rid of the ball before route concepts have a chance to develop. He has not looked like he did earlier in the season prior to the injury when he was playing really well. And so what's happening is he's just, everything is too, it's an interesting combination, Colin. It's fast, but yet too deliberate. Like he's just not seeing it the way he should see it, and then reacting properly.

And we'll obviously next week talk more about this specific matchup against the Chiefs, but Jalen Hertz is going to have to play better than he has in the playoffs, which is an odd thing to say, and people hearing this might say you don't know what you're talking about because they won 387 and 31-7. But if you're just isolating Jalen Hertz and evaluating him, he has not played anywhere near the same level he did earlier in the season. Okay, let's talk about their run game. We'll eventually get to the big play, would you give us every week.

the run game. What makes it special? You know, the thing about their run game, first of all, there's so many potential post-snap things that a defense has to deal with, Colin. You know, Hertz is in the gun on almost every play. And there's more often than not an offset back. So you've got so many elements to deal with. And as I get to the play, we'll talk about this as well. But, you know, you could have four or five different potential plays that could happen from Hertz being in the gun with an offset. And it just makes it really, really hard to defend.

So their run game is really good. They end up getting numbers. They always have the zone read out to their game with Hertz. So there's just so much you have to defend not only from their play perspective, but how you choose to align. Because so much depends on pre-snap alignment. Because if you get caught with numbers, as they did a number of times, the Niners did a number of times in that game, then you're going to get beat.

So their run game is really, really tough to defend. All right. Big play of the week then is? It's going to be the Sanders 13-yard touchdown that put them ahead 14-7. And this speaks to just what I was talking about. So let's show the play, Colin. This ended a long drive late in the second quarter, and it made the game 14-7. And this just speaks to what I said.

So you're going to see Jalen Hertz in the gun. Now, Miles Sanders will be offset to his right to the wide side of the 15. field. And then you're going to get a tight bunch to the same side. So you've got four receivers to the wide side. And then you've got Devontas Smith to the other side, okay, the single receiver. There's five plays that could happen here inside zone. Zone read, RPO, bubble screen, the fade to Smith. So here they just handed it off as on the inside zone. So what do you get? These are the numbers I was talking about. You get three on three to the run side to play side. Every offense will take that in the run game. Three on three, you see Kelsey on the fold block come around. Greenlaw

tries to step inside. Doesn't work. But there's five plays that could have been run here. And the defense gets caught from a numbers perspective. They did not have the numbers they needed to defend the zone run to the weak side of the formation. This is one reason why this run game is so difficult to defend. Forty-three years NFL films. We'll talk next week and break it all down. The Eagles the Chiefs, good seeing you, Greg. Thanks, Colin. Appreciate it. You bet. Be sure to catch live editions of the herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific on Fox Sports

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It's interesting Greg Kosell talking about the repetitive nature of Brady. and, you know, Brady, here comes Mahomes into the league, and he's throwing sidearm, and, you know, Josh Allen's running around. Somebody once told me wealth was boring. Create something great, put it on a conveyor belt, and sell it over and over and over. That's why most artists and creators aren't rich. Wealth can be boring. And Brady, the classic, this is my motion. I'm going to repeat it.

I'm going to be great pre-snap. I'm going to be obsessed with film, accuracy. his game, there wasn't a lot of variance to it. You kind of knew what you got. He was going to outstudy you, break down film, be great pre-snap, and then accurately deliver the ball. It was really simple, almost boring,

if sports could possibly be boring, and it wasn't with Brady. Jay Mack with the News. No, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Speaking of Brady, Colin, six Super Bowls in New England,

and team owner Robert Kraft is confident that no quarterback will ever compare to Tom Brady. It's like he watched the show yesterday. I don't believe in the 100-year history of the NFL there's been a quarterback of Tom's ilk. I would have trouble ever believing there will be another one. There's Robert Kraft on Mr. Brady. There will be a lot of different variations of great. But, you know, if you look at the generation where Tom won a majority of his Super Bowl, a majority. It was a defense league, and you're not allowed to play that level of defense.

So, I mean, it's also Brady was very fortunate that he had, he won several early before he made the big money. And so, and that's really key in this. The difference between seven and four can be, you know, Brady took the pay cuts. And by the way, Mahomes has got a very team-friendly deal, too. Although not a pay cut, it's team-friendly. But Brady got a lot of these when he wasn't making a lot of money, now we have a very clear reality in the NFL. If you are a top five quarterback cap hit, you will not win a Super Bowl. You will not. And so two things happened. Brady got a lot of these trophies when he wasn't making big money and he had a great defense. And you could win an NFL Super Bowl with mostly a great defense then. That's not the way it works now. The second thing is Tom was

smart enough to realize winning's the thing. And so I don't need to be the highest paid. But so it's going to take somebody if you want to get to like seven and because Tom holds every record that matters. I mean like go to the record book. He virtually holds everything. You're going to have to find somebody that has two qualities. They're going to have to win like Mahomes. They're going to have to win early before the big money. So if Mahomes won this year, you know, he'd have two and now the money's getting gigantic. The second thing is you have to have an individual willing to take less because he really cares about winning. And I just don't think they're, Aaron won't, Russell Wilson won't.

Most guys won't take less. Wait a second. Brady also was able to take less because his wife was a supermodel. He was worth $500 million. But Tom took less before, Giselle. People don't ever talk about that. Also true. He did.

So Tom always. Well, he was never the highest paid quarterback in the league, I believe. Ever. And he went to Scott Pioly very early in his career and said, I'll take less than the market. This was pre-Giselle. You got to spend up to this camp. So, and this is my only beef with it, right? So Jalen Hertz has made a rapid ascension.

He's going to be due a lot of money. The Eagles are probably going to come to him and say, hey, if you take a little less, you know, we'll be able to build a team. Well, are you taking less? The GM? Are you taking, is the head coach taking less so they can add to the staff? Why should I be the one to sacrifice? I'm the most important guy here.

Like some of these quarterbacks I think should. Joe Burrow, I don't think it's being greedy. Let's not say that. I don't want to get in the guy's pockets. But at some point, Colin, you got to ask like, Well, should he take less? Joe Burrow, Jalen Hertz. Yes, they should.

GMs don't have a salary cap. GMs don't make millions of dollars in social media and shoe deals. So a general manager should take what he can take. A player, an NFL player, forget basketball, an NFL player, can make seven figures easily that never existed in social media. Seven figures easily in endorsements. That didn't exist. I can remember Donovan McNabb.

doing a chunky soup commercial and thinking, oh my God, a national ad for a football player. Basketball players had shoe deals that felt like Dr. Jay. But it wasn't, it's not long ago that, like, OBJ now created a market of football players making money on shoes. So there's a lot of different ways to make money now that did not exist earlier. Burrow could make seven figures on social.

He can make seven figures on endorsements. So why do we say this about NFL quarterbacks? And we don't say this about NBA. stars. Curry is making 50 mil. LeBron is always one of the highest paid in the NBA, and he deserves it. But LeBron did not take the most money in Miami.

He didn't. Kevin Durant, I believe. I think he took less in Golden State. Kevin Durant took less in Golden State. He just rubs me a... I mean, I get it, yes, from a T-building perspective. It doesn't rub me the wrong way anymore. And I've said this, a million times on this

show. Do not chase money. Chase management. For talented people, There's a sea of money. And if you just take care of yourself, take care of your vocal cords, I can do this for 20 more years. Some level, Colin. Joe Burroughs going to be looking at Deshawn Watson and say, man, that guy got full guarantee. I'm taking hits. You know what he's going to look at to Sean Watson and say, how is it to play for a lousy owner and a lousy franchise?

Joe Burrow can. It's pretty good while he throws $100 bills out of his pockets. Again, envy. I'm not interested in it. Tom Brady never envied anybody. But I love, I love Russell and Aaron's talent. They took Max money. Look at their teams.

So Burrow takes less money, or Jalen Hertz. And you don't win the Super Bowl. And you're like, wait a second, I took less money so you could build a contender and you didn't do your job? I did my job. Then what? That sounds like a lot of ego. As a quarterback. Joe Burroughs freaking incredible.

Is he not? Oh, by the way, start looking at their last several drafts. They've been pretty incredible. They have. They've hit a lot of home runs. Yeah. You could have a defensive coach. You could be Justin Fields and have a defensive coach in a bad old line.

Let's go to Buffalo real quick before we move on. So Josh Allen, he got his money. End of the season. Bro, we didn't get to the – we didn't get to the conference championship. Don't blame me. Again – McDermott, are you doing your job? I hear a lot of ego that don't blame me.

That's not what I want from a quarterback. I want, hey, we, us together. If money's what drives – Wait a minute. We do this as a job on Monday morning. It's kind of sort of the blame game. Whose fault is it that the Buffalo bills got smacked around at home? I thought it was coaching.

Okay. So shouldn't there be some kind of pressure on McDurban? There's got to be some ramifications. Doesn't, doesn't the, don't the bills get credit for hiring Brian Dayball and saving Josh Allen's wobbly ineffective career and making him a fortune? So at the same time they got him Stefan Diggs. They also got him Vaughn Miller. Do the bills not correct credit? It's not like the bills are poorly run.

The bills are well run, but McDermott, I thought, got out-coached in a playoff game. But it's not like the bills haven't done a great. great job for Josh Allen. I don't love their old line, but Von Miller, Stefan, they spent big boy money. Uh, dable. By the way, Ken Dorsey was the hot coach on the market when they

brought Ken Dorsey in. I didn't love what I saw, but Ken Dorsey was an elite seven-figure candidate. Looked elite. I hear a lot of ego. 10-point game against the Bengals there in the playoffs. Looked elite. What do you want to be? Do you want to win games and have $100 million in the bank or lose

games and have $140? I want it All. I want the money and I want the wins. That's what I want. I want my cake and I want to be able to eat it too. Sounds selfish. Ask it for too much? It sounds selfish. You got one life, man. You got to get it all. Enjoy it. You can't get it all. Top five quarterback cat pits? No Super Bowls. It doesn't happen anymore. Figure it out, GM. Your job is to figure it out. I'm doing my hold it on my end of the bargain. All right, next up. Your poor wife. Damn you. Cowboys are looking for a new offensive coordinator after Kellemore left.

But whoever they hire won't be calling plays. Jerry Jones confirmed Mike McCarthy will be taking over that role. With the success we've had over the last two years, this is the logical step to build on it and use what we've established, if you will, the foundation of the winds we've got. This is a time for us to build on it, and that's what this is. This is a building step. but it will be in principle the way he operated in Green Bay, which I'm sure he'll tell you evolved. It's got to have a little duck hunting or something that looked like that. You ever play that game on Nintendo Duck Hunt? No, I never have.

You're not a video game guy, huh? I played Asteroids and Pac-Man. Love Pac-Man, love asteroids, and then I turned 12. Oh, come on. You know what you need to get is one of those stables. up video games for your garage when you can play Pac-Man in the garage while we're hanging out?

That's what I need to get. You have a man cave? No, I don't have a man cave. That's what I need to get. Of all the things I need to get, it's a stand-up video game. Or you could get a ping-pong table, invite me over, and I'll destroy you in ping-pong.

You know what I need? Have a beer with my buddy tonight. I'm going to go to a... Where are you going? I'm not going to say, but it's good. I get in the invite? Well, we're very busy talking business. You play your video games.

Final story is the Golden State Warriors. Man, this guy just can't... string wins together. Can I say this? They're only playing seven guys. Well, we're going to get to that. I have that in my notes here. Oh, okay. Curry had a good game, 29 and 10, but had zero points in overtime when they lost the game. Golden State turned the bowl over nine times in the fourth quarter in overtime. Gassed. Snap the three-game skid losing to the Minnesota Timberwolves. Colin, I looked at the box score. They don't play anybody. James Wiseman did not play. Moses Moody did not play.

Cominga kind of plays. Kind of. How many minutes the Kamengga play? You know why they kept those guys. because they need the wins. No, they only have, they only essentially play Steph, Clay, Wiggins, Drey, Looney. Pool. Jordan Pool.

So that's their six. And then they give Kaminga a little. There's the other kid, the guard, the Villanova player, Dante. Yeah, yeah, they play him. He's been pretty effective. So they go seven deep, and then they kind of a little bit

play Kuminga, but not in key spots. So you're playing seven guys, and this is an old team. They were trying to win this game, and they could not. stop, Nas Reid and Angelou Russell. Hey, when Nas Reid gets going,

watch out. Anthony Edwards, he was all right. But, um, I don't know. I'm just starting to wonder about this team. Well, the whole season,

the whole season has been, as you and I know, a bridge between the old dudes and the emerging young guys. That ain't working. Well, Leisman's not. We thought,

Kaminga is, I think Kaminga is effective in the time he's on the floor. He's hyper-athletic. Yeah. But Moody doesn't play at all. So I need to ask you, the trade deadline is next Thursday. I think it's next Thursday.

It's coming off. I think they're going to move somebody. Do they move Wiseman? He's only 21, but he's shown nothing. I got to ask, how much do you value the future? Five years from now, Wiseman could be good. Or winning a title this year going back to back. No, no.

I think you have to move off your mistakes. I don't think, my interpretation on the Warriors is when I watched Wiseman play with him, he didn't fit. He doesn't fit them. And by the way, there's somebody in the lead that's going to roll the dice. could you get, he's not making anything yet, could you get a, what do they need?

So here, here we go. So they need like a rim protector, big guy. A little bit of a rim protector with some experience. So the one thing I saw floated was Jacob Pertl from the Spurs who are tanking, right? Spurs want to get Wemianama. Purdle's okay. He's not great. I can see them doing that.

And we will take Wiseman off your hands. So now you get, I mean, We don't know. Wiseen could be awesome in four years. We don't know. Yeah. But are you going to stick around to find out if you're a golden state. That's a really good, that would be a good move. because Wiseman, Popovich, has done a great job in his career to develop young players.

And Kerr's good at it, too. But Steve Kerr's strength is not developing young players. It's not a criticism of Steve. Steve has got a lot of brain power. He loves taking a guy like Wiggins, highly functional smart player in the league and making him work in our system. That warrior's offensive system and defense, the offensive system is sophisticated. It's catch and react.

It's hard for those young guys. Kerr is very much to me, Phil Jackson, an intellect who is great with veteran players, and they all play their best under Phil and Steve. Popovich can do that. But I think Popovich, now I don't have all the players, but his ability to take young players and develop them, I think, is pretty noteworthy if you go back the last 25 years. I mean, it makes sense.

I just, when do you get off an asset that you just don't know if it's improving? Is it time to move on from Wiseman? Or has he not been given enough from the chase? No, I think Comingo was a hit. Wiseman. By the way, who says Wiseman's not a hit if I can move him for a functional big and win another title? Well, that's the key. That's right.

It's not a failure. Listen, somebody's going to have to man up Anthony Davis in the playoffs. Lakers are going. Yokits in the playoffs. And I guess final note, Colin, even though the Warriors are struggling, 26 and 25, do the Grizzlies scare you? Do the Grizzlies scare you? No. I don't trust the nuggets.

and I like so much about, I just don't trust them. Don't trust them in a big spot. Same with Philadelphia. I know the talent there. Don't quite trust them in a big spot. Jay Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by.

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Okay. Here, by the way, Kyle Shanahan, John Lynch, sitting yesterday talking to the media, and Jimmy Garoppolo's name came up. There was a question. Here it is right here. There's a scenario which you guys can see Jimmy being back, and if so, what would that look like? No, I don't see any scenario of that. I know we have two starters on our team right now that I believe we can win with. So when you have that situation, you're not that eager to go looking around.

I will say, I think you mentioned this yesterday. I think Tampa makes sense to me. Warm weather, Garoppolo didn't have a huge arm. Good weather, good weapons. He knows Brady's offense. He can come into the system they have. It all works. He'd be the best quarterback in that division today if he went over there.

It's a good roster. It's not a great roster. It's not Philadelphia. It's not San Francisco. I don't think it's as good as Cincinnati, but it's a good roster. He would not break the bank. To me, Tampa makes him a lot of sense.

Now, you can also tank because you have equity with the fans because you have three straight playoff years and tank and go get Drake, or Caleb Williams. Because Houston's going to be bad, and Arizona could, and they're both going to have a quarterback for next year's draft. Kyler Murray's going to, you know, he's a truckload of money you have to pay so you're not bailing on him.

And Houston's going to draft, I would imagine Bryce Young or C.J. Stroud or whoever. So you don't have to be the worst team in the league, but, you know, if you go to the quarterback store, you'll probably be too good to be a top 10 pick. So I think Garoppolo would win the division if nobody else shows up in the current state of the awful NFC South, which is. is about as bad as any division I've ever seen unless they make major moves. That's why Derek Carter of the Panthers makes so much sense to me. So warm weather, Jimmy's arm is not that lively.

You're taking over Brady's system mostly, and he's a good locker room guy. You've got some veteran quarterback's a veteran. He's worked with stars. He's worked with veterans. He's gotten to a Super Bowl. There'd be a lot of buy-in with Jimmy Garoppolo. It makes a lot of sense. But I do think you get to a point with Tampa.

Tampa's going to move off some guys. You have Todd Bulls. Nobody ever tanks in the NFL, but with a defensive head coach, bad at quarterback, what I worry about is you may win some games incidentally in that division with Carolina and the Saints right now and,

you know, Atlanta. So, but to me, Garopolo works in Tampa, but Caleb Williams and Drake may work way better. That, to me, your suggestion, I think, is pretty solid. Yeah, I would never send Jimmy Garoppolo to Tampa, where they're going to be bad next year.

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