The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - The harsh criticism of Arch Manning, thoughts on James Franklin and Penn State, MLB playoffs today, Joel Klatt

Episode Date: October 8, 2025

FOX Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins Colin in studio to break down Arch Manning’s early struggles and preview Texas vs. Oklahoma in the Red River Rivalry Colin previews the 4 MLB playoff games todaySee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or stream us live every day in the IHeart Radio app by searching Fox Sports Radio or FSR. You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's hour two. It's the herd, the show that wants to actually see Bad Bunny at the Super Bowl at halftime. Great to be back. Joel Klap's going to be joining us in a couple of minutes. All fired up. So I saw this right now, there's, it's not an anomaly. I think this is the future of the NFL. So JMAQ right now, this is incredible. There are 15 current NFL quarterbacks, almost half the lead with a passer rating over 100.

Okay, last year it was 11, the year before it was 6. So when people complain about quarterback play, this is the best it's ever been in my life. I think there are three reasons why it's the best I've ever seen in my life. Number one, the coaching. There's never been this many great young coaches. These Sean McVeys are and Kevin O'Connell's, they're teachers, they're mentors. And it's like we got like seven Sean Payton and Andy Reid's out there who are very, very good mentor. So the coaching, the young quarterback coaching, I mean, watch Trevor Lawrence

Monday with Liam Cohen. He's a flawed quarterback. This is the best most comfortable, I think, well, comfortable. They kind of go back and forth, but it's the best Trevor Lawrence has ever been. So the coaching, there's just more smart guys coaching. Secondly, quarterbacks are getting personal coaching seven on seven. They just have more snaps coming out of college. I mean, Bow Nicks had 61 college starts. Jaden Daniels 55. Brock Purdy had almost. almost 50. And that doesn't count the seven-on-seven coaching, the summer stuff. So the quarterbacks come in with more reps, more completions, more attempts, better coaching. And the third thing that doesn't get talked about is that because almost all quarterbacks, not named

Stafford and Jared Goff, are mobile. And because they're mobile, you have to play zone defense now in the NFL. You can't turn your back on a quarterback. And so zone defense allows for quarterbacks to hit spots. So quarterbacks have better coaches to hit spots, more starts coming into the NFL to hit spots, and they're good at hitting spots. They're not having to do, you know, now Aaron Rogers is still a guy

that throws the great back shoulder. Aaron Rogers is so precise, it works. You know, he can not only hit the spots, but Aaron has a way of throwing guys open. Not a lot of quarterbacks do. They're not a lot of Aaron Rogers. Tom Brady was talking about it this past weekend. And I don't care what the PFF number says.

I think Aaron's playing smart, great football. Here was Tom this weekend. Beyond impressed. And I think at that age, there's so many other factors that come into play about how to be a great quarterback. And we all want to talk about what happens in the offseason with him. And there's some things that are, there's a lot of narratives out there. Yeah, there's a lot of that. It's a little different.

But what we know about him on the field is he's a surgical passer. He's got a killer instinct. He's hyper competitive. And I think he's brought all those things to Pittsburgh. And look at these numbers. In the last three years alone, in 2023, one quarterback completed 70 plus percent of his throws. Last year, five, this year, nine.

Now, it may end up being six or seven. 100 plus bachelor ratings. Three years ago, six, last year 11, now 15. Now, we've had very nice, warm fall weather. That helps too. Good weather helps quarterbacks. Buffalo played New England. It's 80. Okay, so some years it's 46 and it's windy. But the quality of quarterback play, the coaching's better. The kids are getting personal coaching and more snaps, and everybody's playing zone.

And when you're playing zone, for some of these guys, like the bakers that have been around in this league forever, it's a lot of pitch and catch if you get the right coach. And with that, Joel Clatt, the voice of college football on Fox Sports is joining us live. He'll have Ohio State against Illinois. Good to see you. By the way, what's up? I saw yesterday there was an hour. I thought it was way too harsh on Arch Manning.

Okay. The Athletic had an article. Is he the first flop? And I pointed out because I like high school football recruiting, 50% of the five-star quarterbacks miss badly. Sure. A couple years ago, USC had one. And then he's at Boise State.

That he's at U-TAP. That's actually what happens all the time. I don't think Arch Manning is flopped. I think he is the reality. If you think it's hard for NFL GMs to figure out what 22-year-olds can play, what do you think it's like for Sark trying to figure out what 16- and 17-year-olds can play? I think the transition high school to college is tougher than college to the pros for quarterbacks. I think the expectations were there, though, only because he started a couple of games last year.

And this is his third year, you know? So I think everyone thought that he was going to come out and play better than he has, and he hasn't. Arch has not played well at all. And Texas has not played well. And that's the other part is that they're not doing really anything well. The offensive line, which was rebuilt this year after a veteran group a year ago, they have not protected him at all when they do protect him. He doesn't throw the ball well.

They can't run it very well. Sark talked about that after that game against Florida last week that they lost. So the offensive line doesn't give him much help. The wide receivers, I think, are taking a step down as a group, right? let's just say from what they have had over the last couple of years. And then, yeah, he just has not played very good football. And it's a dangerous week because their backs are against the wall. They've got a win to keep themselves alive in the college football playoff conversation.

And they're going up against a team that I think has a better defense than Florida and a better defensive line than Florida. So how much pressure is Arch going to be under from that defensive line for OU and the Red River game? You know, they could be in for another rude awakening this week. And here's the other part. If you look at what they've done against FBS competition, it's like nothing. Nothing. So there's no evidence that would lead you to believe that this is going to turn around all the sudden.

It's not like they've had some performance against a good team that would lead you to believe that all of a sudden it's going to get better. You know, in a weird way, I was thinking about this this morning driving in. In a weird way, the pressure's off Sark because I think the public thinks you can't bench a manning. So all the heat goes to arch. any other quarterback with this record, Sark would be getting crushed. But the public knows you can't Benjam Manning, even though you could because the family totally gets. And I think it's taken, nobody's banging on Sark.

It's true. And I think so, not that he's a winner in this, he wants to win, but in a strange sort of galaxy, it's taken heat off Sark. Yeah, but I do think, the only pushback I would give is that they're starting, the narrative is starting to build for Sark around big games and that he does not win those big games, similar to how it's built now for the last decade for James Franklin. That's exactly right. And so those are games that they've got to start performing a lot better. Even last year in the playoff, you know, yes, they got to a point where they're playing in a really tight game and a

great game against Ohio State, but you could claim that they may be underperformed against Arizona State and we're lucky to get away from that game. And over time, game when they had to have a fourth down conversion to do it. Texas right now is not playing near to their ability. I think that falls on their quarterback, but it also falls on their head coach. And he knows that. Sark knows that. They have got to get better.

But part of the main issue is the offensive line. And when your offensive line is not playing well and you're struggling at quarterback, it's a terrible combination. That's exactly what's going on. I will say this weekend, before the show, Jason comes up, what do you want to talk about with clatt and i said clatt nile just let a rip but one thing that is really important is that um u sc has the right a d they've spent a lot of money and i always defended lincoln riley with alex grinch and when the nil they couldn't figure it out for like three years yeah they were

spending the money wrong they didn't have the money this is true now they got a lot of money and i said this game against michigan riley defining game oh interesting you're putting that on this weekend. I think it's huge. Okay. And not a good matchup for them. Well, it's at home. That matters in college. Sure. That's a touchdown. You bet. And especially coming all the way west. We've seen that in the Big Ten where

the travel has been an issue for teams. But Notre Dame follows, and their quarterback right now is on fire. Yeah, C.J. Carr's playing great. They're not beating Oregon and Eugene. Just, that's not happening. You would doubt it. You would doubt it. You'll lose this weekend. You might as well put four losses down.

and I'm not talking at Nebraska. I'm not talking about that you're out of the playoff. And my take is this team, Michigan's physical, they have got to meet them. That Illinois game was... Well, we haven't seen that. What if they're just... What if it's this whole Lincoln runs this speed offense

and it doesn't matter what the personnel is? They're never going to be a punch-in-the-mouth program. Well, see, the only pushback I would give on that is that they were at Oklahoma under Lincoln Riley. They could run it. They could run it really well. And in a few of those years when he was the head coach, they actually had the best offensive line in America,

won the Joe Moore Award. How is their defense? Their defense struggled. Okay, so that's my point. And I will say this, though, that we have not seen. Like I just said, there's no evidence to suggest that Texas would all of a sudden play great this weekend, right? Especially on the offensive side. There's not a ton of evidence right now that would suggest that USC is all the sudden going to match the physicality of a team like Michigan.

We haven't seen that, whether they've been on the road, whether they've been at home, they've struggled with that. So they've had to outskill people a lot of the times, and it didn't work out. It didn't work out. Think about the Illinois game. You were at, I called that game. Brutal. And you know what Illinois did?

They went back to the drawing board and they said, you know what? Why don't we just see if they're tough enough, and we're going to run right at them? And they couldn't handle that. Couldn't handle it. So from a match-up standpoint, if you're sitting there and you're Sharon Moore in the University of Michigan and you're that program that runs the ball well. Heck, they had a 100-yard rusher last week, Justice Haynes, against the number one rushing defense in the country.

I know Wisconsin's not a great team, but that element of their team is pretty good. And they ran the ball well, at least at times against Wisconsin. If you're sitting there and you're Michigan and you're building a game plan, aren't you looking your chops saying to yourself, we're going to run right at this crew? Now, I would say this. In USC's defense or in their corner,

if I'm building a game plan against Michigan, I'm going to try to throw the football. I'm going to try to get away from their rush, throw the football, and try to outskill them on the outside. That's exactly what USC can do. So this one is a clash of styles. Yes. I think it's a really important game for both programs.

Stiles make fights. The difference is Michigan is a recent natty. Michigan's recruiting is elite. Nobody questions Michigan's toughness. That's right. And I think that's the question right now for USC, is can they line up and play a physical brand of football? Now, we'll see.

We'll see, but again, I just go back to this level of evidence. Do I think USC is going to be able to stop Michigan from running the football? No. And that's the answer. The answer is no. Can I vet a little bit here? Sure. I try to be optimistic.

But I can be cranky like everybody else. At times. Don't worry. I can get hangary? Sure. Can the coaches on the West Coast stop complaining about these big 10 coaches? Oh, the travel. you got four roadies all you big powerhouse schools never go on the road out of conference you got four roadies

one may have bad weather give me a break you know we'll want of the big ten paycheck i typically i typically agree because well what's the alternative you know and and even i don't i won't name any names but like when they do say that i think to them i always think to myself would you like to join washington state and oregon state like how's it working out for them like what was the alternative Give you a prime example. So, and I think about this all the time. I, sometimes I complain. So yesterday I ran into the big cheese upstairs.

Okay. And I don't love this whole Chicago, L.A. flying back and forth. Wait, you just said you didn't like people that complain about traveling. Okay, exception. I don't like, I don't like getting on a plane. But I'm sitting there with the big cheese. That guy flies 270 times a year.

Okay. And I'm like, get over yourself. That guy's on a plane. He's on a plane. So my take is the NFL guys, I mean, you're constantly traveling. Every other weekend, it's brutal. And you're kicking different time zones and body clocks. And you got parents and you got grandma living in the basement. You got your family. College guys are like having a good time. And then they travel four times a year. I will say, so I know this for a fact. When Ohio State went to Washington earlier this year, Now, they have a basis for this because they traveled out before the Rose Bowl and the CFP just two days early.

It wasn't like a true bowl game experience where they were out there for the entire week. So they treated it, you know, like the CFP and went out a day early. I don't Michigan State has done that as well. But they used it actually as like a defining or a beneficial thing for their program. We're going to go out there and do something specific from a team building. things. You've got to take the, I don't need, the adversity, if you want to call it that. You've got to take what's in front of you and look for ways to make it work for you. How is this advantageous for you? I think you have to spin it positively. It's like when you're traveling with your kids,

you're like, you know, you tell your wife, hey, man, I love the airport. Whenever you're going to see grandma and you get in the car with your kids, what do you say? Hey, guys. The food's going to be great. Peanut butter and joy sandwiches, movies. It's going to be so much fun. You don't go. It's going to be a long drive. I asked Brett Musburger one time. I don't love when coaches put the seed in their players' mind early in the week and it's like, this is tough, we don't have this, we don't have that. You're giving them an out.

You're giving them an excuse. Years ago, I did an event with Brett Musselberger. It must have been 15 years ago. We're looking live. And I'm like, how do you, you're like in these small markets, how do you travel? How do you do it? And he goes, young man. I was like 50. Young man, I don't know where I'm going until Thursday.

He's like, I don't know the next assignment. I just one assignment in a time. And I'm like, that's a great way to look at travel. Sure. So stop complaining because we've got to fly to Seattle. You're not flying to Pasco. It's a big city with a big airport. Well, I tend to agree, and I think that the coaches that don't make it a big deal,

it doesn't become a big deal for their players. Okay. Penn State. We've got to be honest about it. about it. Here's the thing. Okay, I'm going to name the top six programs in the country. Okay.

In terms of revenue, what you can pay coaching staffs, your quality of recruiting. All right. Georgia, Ohio State, Texas. Boy, Notre Dame's good, you say. I would throw out

LSU. LSU. Probably Michigan. Maybe Tennessee. I'll put Tennessee in, and I don't know Michigan's NIL, but I'll say Michigan. So that's the top five. Probably USC? Well, right now with their NIL, yes.

I'm going to bang on those programs. If you're seven and below, Oregon, Oregon, because of Phil Knight's money. Oregon absolutely is a top. Yeah, but they've got no recruiting. Yeah, but they buy them. Who cares? Region. Those days are over.

Just go buy it. Okay. You know, there's a reason. They are Wisconsin. The difference is they have more uniforms and Phil Nights. They're Oregon. They don't have any players right. So what's wrong with these programs? Nothing. But I'm going to hold those programs to a different standard.

Then I'm going to hold Penn State. And Washington. So you're giving them an out? I'm saying with Penn State. You can't lose to OM4 UCLA. You can't give them out. You can't give them an out. You can't give them an out.

Like, what are we doing? I'm not giving them an out. I'm just saying I don't hold Penn State to Georgia standards or Ohio State standard. I mean, requiring them to beat an O-N-4 team is not holding them to Georgia's standard or Ohio State standard. It was not a good first half. I mean, if you're holding them to that standard, then you would require them to beat Oregon as the higher ranked and favored team at home in what is the most elite environment in college football. See,

here's the problem with what went on on Saturday is that they allowed Oregon to beat them twice. And what's going on right now at Penn State is that the match between what they're trying to do schematically, really on both sides, but more specifically on the offensive side, doesn't fit what their players do best. They're running an offense, you know, for Tim Tebow and Drew Aller is back there. And it's like, well, those two things aren't the same thing. Running quarterback, read, you know, power on fourth down with Drew Aller with the game on the line is probably not the best decision. I mean, UCLA was all over that. They were all over. It was a great defensive call on their part. You know, the wide receiver core at Penn State has wildly underperformed over the last few

years. And they've even changed out the wide receivers that have been there. They don't get off a bump coverage. They don't run their routes hard. They don't provide clean pictures. You know, I made the argument on my show that what would I, what would I, what would you say if I told you that the best player in a Penn State uniform on Saturday and that loss was Drew Aller? He was. He was the only reason that they were in the game. The problem was is that their scheme doesn't fit what he does best. And then he's got all of a sudden escape and run for four or five first downs which he did, but it's not who he is. And he does that, and he keeps them in the game,

and then they don't allow him to do what he's best at. And that's what ultimately, James has got to figure that out. And James Franklin knows that, and he understands that they've got to get better immediately because they still have to go to Ohio State. They still have to host Indiana, and they're already sitting on two losses. So Saturday was one of those inexplicable things for Penn State.

It cannot happen. And I don't think it's holding them to too high a standard to say, like, Those are games that not only are devastating that you lose, you cannot lose those games. All right. So for years, I think the NFL sort of look down on college football. Sure. Quality isn't very good?

And now they run all of their offenses. Yeah, and not funny. But I think guys like Belichick are like Saturday football. So there is a little bit of college football looking at baseball. Belichick right now and going, oh, how's it going there, champ? I'll tell you this. I think college football coaches love that Belichick is doing a belly flop. This thing is a mess.

It doesn't look good. And what college football coaches have always said is we're dealing with 19-year-old and their parents and donors and boosters and the goofy NCAA. College football coaching, you don't get vacations. Well, no. And it's also more of a CEO role than. it is a head coaching role. It's less about football than you would actually anticipate. Now, some are great at both, you know, and I think Kirby's great at both. I think Ryan Day is great

at both. I think Dan Landing is great at both. Chris Peterson. Chris Peterson was great at both. Unbelievable. But you've got to be an executive and now more than anything, you've got to wear all the hats. So for instance, you know, right after the season, you've got to spend three days meeting with every single player and every single agent and talking about the revenue share. What line of the revenue share you're going to get? And I thought that, because college football has become more transactional that it was actually a good time for Bill Belichick to get into college football. And while I still kind of agree with that, and maybe this will turn out better going forward. But right now, there's just not a cohesiveness and connection with what I see on the field and what I'm sure I'm, you know, he's being, is being said during meetings and everything.

It's not connecting. He's a very gruff guy. It's not working right now. Charlie Weiss failed. But it's not just the NFL, though. Let me just, Charlie Weiss wasn't great in college, although he had pockets of success. No, he started well, but Charlie was, and I know Charlie and I like it, he was gruff. But there are guys that are having success, you know, like Chip came back and had success with Ohio State.

But like Jeff Halfley came to Ohio State and now he's in the NFL and done well. Think of those defensive-oriented coaches that came from Baltimore to help out Harbaugh, like Mike McDonald, who's now in Seattle and Jesse Mentor, who's now the coordinator and the Chargers. guys, though. Matt Patricia comes to the NFL and what is he doing? He's really succeeding with Ohio State, number one defense in the country. So I don't want to put like a blanket statement like, oh, the NFL guys, they come down here and they don't know how to work because some of them are doing it really, really well. At North Carolina right now, it's just not connecting. There's no cohesiveness right now with what you know the message is and what you're seeing on the field. So the best two teams in the country, I don't think it's that difficult, are Ohio

State one, Oregon, two. I think you have to put Miami in that conversation. Three. Okay. They looked apart. No SEC teams in that. You know, the SEC this year is deeper than they have been in the past. You know, they had a run where they were so elite at the top.

Man, like, so elite at the top. I don't think that there's the great team in the SEC this year, but there's a lot of really good teams. The best team might be Texas A&M. might be Ole Miss. You know, I think that we're going to find out a lot about the SEC this weekend when Bama goes to Missouri. How about this? Indiana, go look at the spread. Indiana is going to play Oregon.

Not a big spread. I think it's, what, four and a half? What does that tell you about Indiana? I think Indiana is a really good team. Yeah, clearly. Yeah. I mean, I saw Illinois play. Let me put it to you this way.

And I get labeled a Big Ten guy. Indiana. is the equivalent to me of a Missouri or an Ole Miss. Oh, at least. Vegas is telling you. At least, yeah, there's no doubt. So Vegas is telling you if Ole Miss went to Oregon, it'd be a four points per. Yeah, that's absolutely right.

Indiana would be just doing exactly the same. Indiana is just as good as Oklahoma or Ole Miss or Texas A&M. Those guys went to Otton. What would the line be? And by the way, if any of those teams went to Indiana, that team is incredible at home. you know and and there is listen they're always going to get a little bit of a narrative bump down there there's no doubt but there's there is no questioning the fact that at the top they're not quite as good as what they have been and they're deeper in the middle this year and who knows

how that is all going to play out don't don't crush indiana for the notre dame name last year they have made a move they're better than last i think they are they're well they are they're they're more explosive and i think they have more good players this will this will tell us a lot about Indiana because this is a very difficult place to play against what I think is an elite college football team in Oregon. And Dan Laining will have those guys ready to go. There's no doubt about it. But I think

Indiana is going to have a chance in that game. It's good seeing you. It's great to see you. I know that travel's hard for you, but good to see you out here on the West Coast. I don't want to complain about it. No. I don't. Don't put that seed in the staff's head, you know? No. I mean, these guys are spoiled. Oh, are they? We're like

an indie band with a great budget. I mean, I'm just, they're out there, they're out there, party and every night having a good time. There's no structured any of this, except they all, you know, we have a big budget. I tell you what, that's level five leadership folks right there and just bang on the staff. You guys have it easy. When I show up in the morning. Now you work hard for them.

When I show up in the morning, I'm just praying I see cars. Half the time they're here, half the time they're not. I never know what's happening. That's so good. It's great to see you, bud. Four baseball games today. Oh, it's going to be great. It's going to be great.

Yeah. How about that Yankees win? That was nice. They're not winning that series. You don't think so? Dude, they're starting. Pitching's getting crushed. I can see that.

Toronto's a good team. Didn't you play minor league baseball? I did. Three seasons. Well, who was the organization? Padres. They dodged a bullet. I barely hit over the Mendoza line.

That was a quick exit back to college. Yeah. Well, what are you going to do? You always have your intramural Colorado football years. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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it's the best baseball day of the year today. If you're a baseball fan, this will be as good as it gets. You're going to have, I'm going to say tigers even it up. I don't know about the Yankees. We'll see. Tigers even it up. Milwaukee's a better team. Milwaukee's better than the Cubs.

You run into Derek Jeter and you don't think it's a sign that here come the Yankees. You're not, I put that together. I'm not. Okay. J-Mack, with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news.

All right, Thursday night football, Giants Eagles, Colin. Sequin Barkley has, as the kids like to say, Loki dominated the New York Giants. Last season, 176 yards in a touchdown. I mean, he went off in that game. in both games. And here's Dexter Lawrence talking about Sequin being a big-time problem. It'll be a pleasure of teams scheming for them. It happens.

But, you know, you don't want to be the team to let them get hot. So you got to stay disciplined Thursday and, you know, go ahead. Well, it's a short week. It's a tough spot for a young quarterback in a short week to a cranky Eagles team off a loss. Frankie. It's just a, it's a bad spot for the Giants. Yeah. You know like the phrase smoke and mirrors?

I feel like that was Jackson Dart against the Chargers, right? He took over inside the 10-yard line twice and they scored 10 points. He had a couple nice runs. Then reality hit when he turned it over five times in a row the team did against the Saints. Five. Eagles defense a little better than the Saints defense, you would agree? This feels like a body bag game, 30 to 10 Eagles. I don't know if I'd go.

Philadelphia is going to win the game. But you got to remember, Philadelphia, and this isn't a little thing. The Eagles are struggling offensive. But they had that closed-door meeting, players-only meeting you talked about. That means nothing. Oh, really? I thought that was huge. If you have a winning record and are having closed-door meetings, what's to have a closed-door

meeting? What's to have a closed-door about? Well, probably, hey, AJ Brown, can you put a cork in it and stop complaining every week? Maybe one of those? I don't know. And AJ, we'll get you the ball, just simmered down now. They're throwing a ball in the last four games to A.J. Brown as much as Amaran St. Brown. Exactly. So stop talking to the press about this nonsense.

Stop reading books on the sideline and tweeting crap. Play football. They're giving him Justin Jefferson, Amaron, St. Brown targets. Yeah. So I'm assuming it was the whole team. It was like a, what do they call that when somebody's struggling and you bring in all the friends to like intervention? Maybe they had an intervention for A.J. It was three guys talking.

Jaylen, Sequin, and AJ. Leaders, that's what leaders do. They step up and talk to the problem child. Get him in line. Sequin has done nothing this year, which I believe is a bit of a problem. Sequin, he can't three yards of carry this season, Con. Well, he's getting hit immediately. Landon Dickerson out, sounds like.

New offensive coordinator in, Not Great. All right, let's move on to more Not Great, and that's the Miami Dolphins. Just an epic disaster of a season. How about last week? I gave out the Panthers, and when the Panthers were down 17-0, I was like, oh, that was a whiff. Carolina storms back, gets the win, and next thing you know, Mike McDaniel had a meeting with Dolphins owner, Stephen Ross. Mike McDaniel talked to the media about how that meeting went. He was really frustrated at the, you know, just like he was, as I was.

and, you know, we talked about the challenge ahead to get ready for the chargers. And that was kind of the extent of it. What happened to the cool, Mike McDaniel? The one who was like my South Beach cool and was like, he's barely struggling to speak here. The last four times I have seen him at the podium, he's not the same guy. He's a disheveled wrecked. He's not, he just doesn't feel like, and by the way, is that what the players you're seeing in team meetings? He does not have it.

He has lost the vibe. You talked about meeting with the big bosses upstairs. Can you imagine if McDaniel was talking like that with the owner of the dolphins, fumbling his words? He sounded like a guy when you go to put air in your tires. He's like, well, you can't speak. And it's like, whoa, whoa, dude. Mike McDaniel, I think he's lost the plot here in Miami. It does not look good for him.

Is he the first coach fired? Well, last year we said Iber Fluse was on the hot seat and he was. And then he got fired. And I think Mike McDaniel was the coach in the hot seat. And he is, and the truck, be very careful about letting go. Because we know he's a great play designer and caller. We know he's smart. Be very careful about firing coaches because what happens is interim's come in.

Here's what Miami's going to do. If they move off McDaniel this year, they're going to elevate the opposite of him, somebody that's got more alpha. Because that's what he doesn't have. So this is what they do. The pendulum swings too far. they'll bring in an alpha and the alpha will get the players fired up and they'll win some games and everybody'll be like that guy should be the head coach I don't like interim coaches maybe for a game or two but you know like when you get the interim coach or it's Antonio pierce and everybody's playing hard for him because he's an alpha and the players love him because he's a dog he's an alpha and you give that guy the head coaching job and you're like yeah that's not the guy so my take is you know he's smart you know he's a good play caller I would keep him because I think he's good for two of us and two is the centerpiece of the franchise.

Yeah. Speaking of things not going well for head coach's final story is the Arizona Cardinals, unbelievably have fined Jonathan Gannon and their head coach 100 large after he was seen making physical contact with running back and goat. Demercato, I don't know how to say his first name, who botched the game for the Cardinals. You can look at the video on screen here. Gannon, I think was shot from some guy in the stands. Yeah. But you, let's just talk about making context.

So it's that second swing that people are fired up about. But here's my thing. We hired Aaron Glenn with a boxing glove at practice punching the ball out. Isn't that what Gannon's doing with that second swing? Say, hold on to the damn ball, boom, you know? It's intense. It's timing. It's intent.

I don't think you should touch players. But I also think you're better off cutting players. So would you rather a coach get mad at you or him cut you? So they didn't cut him. You know, I don't think this is the way to ingratiate yourself. with young athletes. But I also think it's inexcusable what the player did. So to me, I would, I would, DNP, I'm not playing the player.

Well, they're down to their third stringer, and their fourth stringer was, I think, on the Jets like two years ago. They're bleak in Arizona. On principle, I cut him from my fantasy team. I was like, I can't even see your name anymore. That being said, Colin, the first bump here, isn't that one of these? Come on, man, get in the game, like a tap to the chest. I don't find that to be $100,000 worth.

you've done that to me here on set when I screw up a read J-Mac come on like a little slap to the chest I'm like hey I get it I think I think when you have a power dynamic of older man younger person you want to stay out of physicality come off I think you want to stay out of physical stuff it's not like this was a shove we've seen other coaches I'm not going to get it I pull the video of a Belichick and read I'm not going to do that I just think this was overblown by the way it may be overblown Gannon feels like a dead man walking cone.

They are, by the way, Kyler Murray, how about this, not practicing today? I thought the strangest part of this game after the fumble was the fact that Kyler Murray got hit in the head with a snap and didn't get touched and left the game. So they're saying he stepped wrong when he was like going for? I didn't see anything, but it was very weird. It was like almost he was like embarrassed.

That's what I thought. I thought he was embarrassed. Because I'm like, they show the replay and I'm like, I don't understand how I got hurt. I got hurt. Feelings got hurt. I didn't see the... It's weird how quickly this team has gone downhill.

Remember, they almost beat Sanfran two weeks ago. Well, you know why? Because every NFL team, Kansas City a couple weeks ago, was in crisis mode. When you go into crisis mode in any company, anybody listening to there right now who's ever run a company, small or big,

going to crisis mode, what happens? You have to have an identity. Arizona has no identity. New England, The game away. Gave the game away to Pittsburgh. But in three weeks, they'd already created a resilience and an identity. They come back the following week, they're great.

The first thing you have to do is a coach. What are we? Who are we? So what are the Cardinals? Exactly. If you were giving them branding advice. They don't have any. Is Kyler their identity?

No. Yeah, he said two weeks ago, I don't know if I'm going to be here for the new facility that opens. So that's why Vrabel comes in. Harbaugh comes in. By camp, the Chargers are a more physical team. That's why when you hire a head coach in the NFL, it's not about getting a hipster. It's about somebody that can build an identity in a brand in four to five weeks. That's what Harbaugh does.

That's what Brable does. That's what Dan Cam. It's not even winning. You don't have to win. First year you don't have to win. Mike McDaniel's been there four years. They have no identity. Gannon's problem is what are they?

There is not. So because every team in the league will hit crisis mode. It's the NFL. Brady's teams, you go back to the dynasty. They had two or three games where they're like, they had a three-year or four-year stretch. They didn't win a playoff game. Like, what are you?

I got an idea. Why don't you and I start a crisis management company? I'll identify the crises and you solve them because I think you just fixed the Cardinals. Gannon, listen up. Maybe you beat the Colts. I don't think that company's going to work that well. J-Mac with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd-Ly News. By the way, if the dolphins fired McDaniel, and I wouldn't do it, I'd let the season play out. They would probably, in the interim, Anthony Weaver, defensive coordinator is a former player. He's kind of the opposite of him. So you bring him in, what if Anthony wins? Oh, that's giving the head coach, which I'm not against.

If he is brilliant and he's a young, smart guy, I'm not against it. But what happens is players play hard. It's like the substitute teacher. Everybody loves the substitute teacher. Substitute teacher stays for about three or four weeks. Nobody wants the teacher back. It's okay for a weekend. It's okay for a Friday.

The teacher's sick. But three or four weeks, nobody wants the teacher back. So you have to be careful about firing a coach, bringing an interim in for eight, nine weeks. You can get trapped. You can get trapped. Antonio Pierce for the Raiders. Josh McDaniel out early.

Antonio Pierce. Raw, rah, that's the guy. Was it the best guy? It was the guy in the moment. A lot of people in a moment are successful. A lot of quarterback. who weren't very good, have three-week stretches when you're like, well, Jake Browning.

So you'd be, oh, boy, Jake Browning. And over the course of a season, Jake Browning can't make certain plays. And let's go get Joe Flacco. A lot of people in spots are good, two, three weeks, temp employee. There are people, you know, like, hey, the chef gets sick.

The prep cook takes over. For a night, too, you're like, darn good. Try running the restaurant. Friday, Saturday, 700 tables. It's a whole different ballgame. Cooper rushed with the Cowboys. That's right. Cooper, for four or five weeks, that's what I've said.

If you have a backup play for four weeks, can he win two? I mean, Mac Jones was a starter and made a pro ball. So he's better than your average backup. But this idea of, you know, these interim coaches, they get the energy of the team. Guys play over their skis. Guys play, you know, free. UCLA football. We just saw the coach Dustin.

Play their game at the best game in 10 years at UCLA. So you hire the guy, right? It may be that one of those guys, Jerry New Heisel and the other guy, maybe they are great. But the history of interim coaches, you get a certain energy that you can't duplicate over the long term. It's the herd. Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays in noon Eastern, 9 a.m. Pacific. Hey, it's us, the Jonas Brothers. And guess what?

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That was last weekend, boss. Let me guess. Let me guess. Joe Flacco, who already beat the Packers and was just aimed at the starter for the Bengals, face the Packers. Is he going to beat the Packers twice in one season?

There are 15-point dogs at one shop. 15. Why are the Broncos only favored by a touchdown over the Jets? Because it's in London, and they're still celebrating the win over the Eagles. Just interesting. Justin Fields running for his life,

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I don't know if this is you driving that bus, but nationally everybody's like, oh, Seahawks. And then you say Jags got lucky to beat the Chiefs. Well, I'm not driving the number, believe me. The platform, I'll repeat from your first step. Okay, Detroit at Kansas City. I like to... I'll go Lions.

this one's interesting. Chicago at Washington. Give me Jaden Daniels. By the way, do you like the doubleheader on Monday Night Football? Actually, good quarterbacks finally. Can't stand it. Yeah, but we get Alan, Pennix, Caleb, and Jaden. Wouldn't it be better if the Bears, if Caleb and Jaden Daniels were meeting in the late window?

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Quarterback receiver. Mac Jones is as good as Brock Purdy this morning, because Brock Purdy's not at 100%. Interim coach, interim quarterback. Is this same thing apply here? No, it doesn't. Mack Jones. Who's he, who's he QB won for next year?

Mac Jones? Can the Niners slip him for like a third? If I was Cincinnati, I'd go get him. You got Joe Burrow. How many weeks? Glass, Joe? Moving on. Kevin Burkart,

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