The Herd with Colin Cowherd - THE HERD - Hour 2 - The most optimistic fan base, QBs that are worth the most points, college football so far, Joel Klatt

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Colin talks about the most optimistic NFL fan base and the list might surprise you The list of QBs that our worth the most points Joel Klatt stops by The Herd to talk about Arch Manning and the Longhorns losing to Ohio State, Bill Belichick's horrible loss in his college debut against TCU, how Miami looked in their win over Notre Dame, and more.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It doesn't always end well for the Chiefs. It generally starts very well, but it is a five straight days of football starting Thursday. So it is out Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday. We have great football. Monday, Bears hosting the Vikings is an unbelievable game. Has there ever been a game that you cared more about where a place that you've never lived and you don't really know much about the quarterbacks how good they are. I can't wait to watch that game.

I'm telling you, in Chicago, we looked at that HOPO rating by the athletic where fans are pulled. Chicago's like middle upper of the pack. People in Chicago, they are fired up. They, when you have tough winners, you're grateful and appreciative of the good times. Tough. Arctic winters. So I think Chicago feels pretty good about it. But in the Packers, by the way, interesting, it was pre-MICA trade. But they were the best organization that didn't have massive optimism.

Denver finished number one. Hey, by the way, in that Vikings game, can I bet J.J. McCarthy points on the opening drive. You know Kevin O'Connell is coming out with some great scripted stuff Monday night. They're going to just mark right down the field for points, guarantee. So something was released today. We've always said Vegas is truth serum. Vegas cares about one thing, getting it right. So they listed the quarterbacks who are worth the most points in the NFL.

Josh Allen's number one, Patrick Mahomes, number two. And I think this goes down to something I touched on yesterday. Nobody disputes that Mahomes is unbelievable. But it does feel like some of his greatness is schemed up and designed by Andy Reid. When you watch Josh Allen in the playoffs and they did that quarterback sneak that looked like they drew it up at half time. They just kind of made it up. And when they couldn't get first downs, if Josh Allen isn't Superman, if he's not wearing a cape, Buffalo does not win those big games. And since 2018, number one and two in the league in terms of total touchdowns is number one

Josh Allen and number two, Mahomes. I would put Josh Allen to me in terms of points, the most valuable singular player in the NFL. Jalen Hertz finished four higher than I would have protected, but Jalen Hurts, because of the tush push, gets first downs, moves the chains, keeps the ball away from your quarterback. You know, it's Burrow, it's, I mean, but again, Burrow has Jamar Chase, Zach Taylor, an offensive coach. Mahomes has an offensive coat. Jalen Hertz has the best offensive line.

You start looking at all these quarterbacks. Josh Allen, O-line's okay, who's his number one receiver, defensive coach. Most of these guys, Justin Herbert's number six. Well, it helps. He's got, you know, Harbaugh. Dak Prescott, say what you want is always had offensive coaches. Jared Goff's got a great line. Jaden Daniels has Terry McLorn.

He'll have Debo, better O-Line than you think, and Cliff Kingsbury. C.J. Stroud, when healthy, has very good receiving weapons. The one guy on that list, Lamar Jackson has Derek Henry, excellent O line. The one guy on that list that kind of has to put a cape on is Josh Allen. It is his franchise. So I think he is against the spread. Vegas agrees. That is the most valuable quarterback.

Dak is higher than I would have guessed. Jalen Hertz is as well. But I sort of get Jalen Hertz as a complimentary piece to that offense, but his ability to pick up first downs with his legs and on the tush push. You know, you just end up winning the field position battle a lot. in Philadelphia. So that's where we stand. So this weekend, one of my complaints about college football through the years is that there are not enough big games. So when people freaked out about the college football playoff, you know, going to 12 or 14 games, my takeaway is

the schedules will get better. You can lose, Texas lost. They're still, in my opinion, an overwhelming favorite to make the playoff. Clemson lost at home close to LSU. I still think they'll make the playoff. And to talk about a weekend one, including Bill Belichick's dud, Joel Clatt, the voice of college football is joining us on the herd. What's up, dude? It is great to see you. You know, how are you doing?

I'm doing well. J. Mack and I talked about this earlier. There's this sense that, hey, let's, the hype for Arch Manning was great. And I would say the hype for Caleb Williams at SC was insane. Yeah. Quinn Ewer's five-star high school. The hype at the big programs for star quarterbacks is always huge. Yeah.

There are no Ohio State quarterbacks that don't have to win openers, especially at home. So I think the criticism, it wasn't that he lost. It's what it looked like. Yeah, I think that's fair. And listen, he did not play well. I was surprised at the inaccuracy. Same. I thought that he would be more accurate.

But I will say, listen, in hindsight, he had never thrown a college pass outside of Austin. You know, and so like starting on the road is hard, much less against Ohio State and that environment and a defense that I've got to tell you, Colin, like their ability to change looks, confuse the offensive lines. It was fantastic. Matt Patricia deserves a ton of credit for what happened in that game. And I would say this, there was some of those. starters for Ohio State that came out there and played better than the guys that left. You know, like Jermaine Matthews at corner was sensational. Arvel Reese, the linebacker, looks like he's going to be a dominant player at the second level.

Ohio State probably has the best corners in the country. Yeah, I think Igbenosin played really well. And then Jermaine Matthews on the other side looks like he, and I was actually, so on Thursday night, I was with Lathen Ransom, who was a safety last year, won a national championship, really good player, has done a nice job in camp in the NFL. And I was just talking to him and I asked him, I said, hey, of the young guys, like, who do you think is ready to be in Ohio, say a silver bullet, you know, as they say, part of the brotherhood.

And he goes, he said, I was just at practice and he said, I think Jermaine Matthews might be the best corner that I've seen on the practice field in a long time. And that's from a guy that's been on the practice field. He's seen it at Ohio State. And he certainly played that way, speaking of Jermaine Matthews. But back to Arch really quickly, I think that. that what we failed to realize was just how big the stage was going to be, in particular, that opponent. And because of that, I'm really not worried about Arch in Texas. I really, I really am not.

So I'll give you an example. So NFL guys, so Belichick's kid coached at Washington defensive side last year. The Huskies in the Big Ten were number two against the pass and like number 16 or 17 against the run. And the reason I mention that is NFL defensive coordinators, you have to be good against the pass. Have to. Yeah. At college, stop the run. You may only face one great quarterback a year. So Matt Patricia is dialing up stuff that is trying to flummox in his career. Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson. So my take is Arch saw defensive coverages and schemes that will far surpass perhaps anything he'll see the rest of the year. That is not a knock on the SEC.

But Matt Patricia from Belichick is designing NFL coordinators. You've got to stop the pass. Yes. Right? I would agree with that. And I mean, that played out in the numbers, by the way. You know, Texas ran it okay. Okay, should have run it more with him.

Maybe should have run it more with Arch and used his athleticism. Sark actually even mentioned exactly what you're talking about, in a different way after the game, when he was asked about the struggles offensively, and more specifically, Arches' struggles. And he said, he said, listen, Ohio State's ability to disguise coverage wasn't just good. It was elite in the first half. Harsh looked confused. Of course.

I mean, his last start was against Mississippi State at home way back early last year, and Mississippi State was the worst team in the SEC. So the jump in competition of what he saw was massive. Okay. So I thought Ryan Day, smartly and appropriately, got conservative after the first two drives. He sat and looked at Arch's feet and his mechanics, and he got on that headset and said, guys, we've got bad field position. Let's just play the field position game. We're going to win this game.

I thought Julian San, and J. Mack pushed back yesterday, his numbers weren't great. He had a couple of drops. He had bad field position. Don't tell me J. Mack went stat sheet on you. He did. data guy all i know is this analytics guy over here my eyes told me what are we doing i think julian i thought he was really comfortable julian was incredibly comfortable and very solid and they even said to jenny after the game and then in his post game press conferences that they intentionally

played it safe and could have opened it up this is the scary part about ohio state if you're the rest of the big ten right now and maybe even the rest of the country not only did the defense look as good or better, in particular in the secondary, but the offense didn't have to do anything to go beat Texas. That was the most conservative offensive game plan that you will see the rest of the year for Ohio State, and they won the game against Texas. Yeah. And by the way, they're going to do this this year because Matt Patricia is going to really limit what teams can do between Ohio State secondary and Matt Patricia. They're very lucky. This is a year you can get away with an inexperienced quarterback.

I think so, too. I've got great corners. I got Ohio State linebackers, and I got the best defensive coordinator probably in the sport. I think both teams just saw the best defense they'll face all year. Because Texas's defense is an elite defense. And so even the struggles in the run game, I think that Ohio State will be able to run it a little bit more. But to your point about just to go back to Julian Sand for a moment, he looked very poised and hyper-outy. accurate. Even his number, stat sheet guy over here. He wants to blame this. How about the

drops? Claire had a drop. Smith had two drops. Innes dropped a beautiful ball down the sideline that would have increased. Terrible field position after they stopped the push push. Bad field position. When I watch a guy like Julian saying, here's what I'm looking for. Like how long did it take him to deliver the ball? Was he holding it? No, he wasn't. Nope. Where were his eyes? Was he scanning the entire field? No, his eyes were going to the exact right spot right off the velocity. The velocity was there, the accuracy was there. Even when he didn't throw it to Smith on that fourth and one, the ball he did throw to Max Clare was right on the money and Claire just dropped it. That would have extended that drive. So I think if you're Ryan Day in Ohio State, you feel

really good, not just because you got the win, but the two things that you were wondering about, how is this Patricia marriage going to work out? Well, excellent. Yeah. In particular with Caleb Downs at and his knowledge and ability at safety. And then your young quarterback went out there in a giant stage against the best defense that he's going to face all year long and played really solid football. Yeah, I know Michigan fans are feeling great about themselves. I didn't like what they look like.

I think Bryce Underwood's insanely talented. I was impressed with Bryce. No, he's the real deal. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, he's really good. I got questions about Michigan. I don't have any about Ohio State. So I've always said, I'm a guy that's about substance.

Are you? A big substance guy. I'm laying bricks every day. There's one by one. He's a volleyball guy over here. Building foundations over here. Out here I am. Don't give me stat sheets.

I want to see tangible evidence. That's right. But I like Miami. I like a little sizzle with my steak and I think college, I found myself. Wait, wait, which one are you? Are you substance or sizzle? Well, no, I'm amazing. Wait, time out. What's happening?

That doesn't mean I can't unbutton this puppy one more button and let my hair down a little. Get a little aggressive with the chest hair. And I found myself rooting for Miami. Did you? I found myself pulling for Miami. It was a fun game to watch. I'll tell you this. I thought that the ACC in general, with the way Miami looked and the way the Florida State looked.

And here's what I thought was the biggest revelation from the Notre Dame Miami game is that Notre Dame, didn't make the dumb mistake in terms of game management. They went out there and they made the plays necessary, and Carson Beck looked really good last year. Let's not forget now. Let's take Carson Beck for a moment. Carson Beck last year, did he play great? No, he didn't.

Then he had the elbow injury, which I was concerned about, just because it's a tough elbow injury. So you're wanting to see his accuracy and his velocity. I thought it was really solid. And then you get the sense, too. It's like, hey, let's remember. Georgia's wide receivers were terrible. They led the country in drops last year,

and a lot of the blame went to Carson Beck, and it shouldn't have. He shouldered a lot of the blame for the way Georgia played offensively, and really it was more about the guys around him. And that was evident on Sunday night, I guess it was, when he was playing against Notre Dame. Again, I don't have many questions about both of those teams.

Notre Dame is really good, and I like their young quarterback. CJ Carr. No, they're both playoff teams. The difference is Notre Dame Miami's offensive front. They were good. Yeah, like Penn State good. Mario, Crisd and Notre Dame down.

Mario Cristobal has built up those lines of scrimmage. Big time. They played incredible. I thought on both sides. And so just think, let's pull back for a moment. And the ACC, let's just take a quick overview of the ACC. Even though Clemson lost, I still think like, okay, that's still a really good team. That was a great game Saturday night.

Florida State dominates. Florida State all of a sudden, are they back? Yeah, probably. the way that they look, the marriage between Gus Malzahn and Castellanos, their quarterback, that looks fantastic. And then, now you have to think to yourself, is Miami actually leveling up? Are they actually going to do what we think that they should be doing after the way that they've built their roster over the last couple of years? If they start winning these types of games, all of a sudden, Miami is a bona fide ACC contender playoff contender. Now, Miami's schedule is a little tricky. They got Florida's, they got Florida.

that schedule suddenly is a lot harder than it looked before that Notre Dame game. Those Florida schools may be better than we think. I totally agree with you. And yet I would say, like, let's give Marcus Freeman and Notre Dame, that could be the better team of the Florida and Florida State. Like they just beat Notre Dame. And Notre Dame is no slouch. There's no doubt.

Okay. Again, I find... Wait, well, I need to be ready. Is this substance? or sizzle? What should I be prepared for? A mason can occasionally jump on a speedboat. You can do both. A

plumber can drive an occasional convertible. Can he? I may be masonry 24-7, but occasionally I like to have a little fun. All right, let's go. Bill Belichick, and this is a, it's a cautionary tale in life.

If you want to grow, don't seek comfort. I got three Belichicks. I got two Lombardies. I got girlfriends in the program. Jamie Collins played with him, never coached. This staff is a staff that is comfortable for Bill. It's familiar faces and familiar voices and its friends and its allies.

And that's fine. But that's not what is working with Andy Reid in Kansas City. He doesn't always have to love Eric B. Enemy. He can disagree with Spags. I find this Carolina thing about Bill is. This staff did not, the longer they played, the worse Carolina. Like they had their first offensive drive was all they had. I think that that's, I think that's too much.

You think that's overheated? I think it is. I think it's an overreact. Too many kids on the staff? I think he had too many new players. Yeah, okay. You know, I mean, you had 70 new players. I mean, that, that game, they did nothing well.

I mean, the first series, they go down and score. Oh, six plays, seven plays. I mean, come on, you've got to do better than that. I totally understand. And listen, it was not great. There's nobody there. The things that they struggled with in a lot of ways are fixable. Okay, like being gap sound on defense, that's fixable.

Quarterback making a terrible decision on that out route that leads to the pick six. You know, those are things. And here's the other part of this is that I don't think that there's going to going to be a lineup that will change more from week one to week two, week two to week three, than North Carolina, because he's going to evaluate the film. And he's not going to just say, like, well, we got to play this kid because he's been in the program. And so I'm not going to push the panic button on North Carolina because the expectation for North Carolina was never going to be that they were going to be great right away. But it wasn't to get humiliated.

I know, but TCU is a really good team. They're, Josh Hoover threw for over 300 yards a game last year. No, no, no. She was a nine-win team. But you're on the road. I saw road quarterbacks disintegrate. He ate them alive. I saw young quarterbacks disintegrate, not just road quarterbacks to disintegrate.

I think that the biggest tell for whether a guy will play well is experience. And Hoover has the experience. Listen, I'm not trying to say North Carolina is going to be great. But if you look at their schedule, the two. Two toughest games are clearly, Clemson later and this TCU game. This was the second best team they're going to face all year long. They have to do it. Week 1 with 70 new players.

It's going to look a lot better. I mean, they're going to look better against Charlotte and Richmond and UCF, Cal. I mean, that is not a daunting schedule. I still think that they can get to five or six wins. I don't think I'm being unfair. But what's your expectation? That's my question. If you're not being unfair, were you expecting them to win nine games?

Well, then yeah, they're going to fall short of that. them to be competitive. I thought TCU would win the game. I told J. Mack this. I thought T.C. would win 18 starters, better staff. But don't you get what I'm trying to say. If you think they were going to be competitive with TCU, then you're telling me that you expect them to win nine games this year. Well, I think that that's an outlandish expectation for what they're, what they are right now. By the way, I don't think. This is not Dion, by the way, in his first year, who had Chador and Travis Hunter, and they had real talent. They're trying to build this from scratch. So I'm just going to, I'm going to wait and see.

For the record, I don't think I'm unfair when I bring up, you know, Belichick's got kids and Lombardy's kids. This is why I'm not being fair. I've seen general managers in the NFL not allow their coaches. John Snyder had a problem with Pete Carroll and his son. He didn't want him. He didn't want him as a scout. Pete put him on the staff. That was a fissure in the relationship.

Years ago, Marty Schottenheimer wanted to put his son on. and I think the GM was AJ Smith. I don't think I'm taking a shot here. When you start putting your kids on the staff, sometimes it works. Owners and GMs are very reluctant to do that. They push back. I think that's fair.

I think I'm being totally fair on that. I think that's fair. I just am not going to throw dirt on this one yet. Because, again, I think that this was a perfect storm of the wrong opponent at the wrong time for this team. This team is likely to be the team that develops the most from week one to week six or seven in this season. And so, and again, with that schedule, if you were expecting them to look competent

and be in a close game and a competitive game, that means you're telling me that they were going to win nine games this year. I just don't think that it was that roster. All right. I mean, you walked me into that a few years ago. I remember I said Nick Saban. I was like, Alabama's got a Nick Sabin problem. I'm not going to do that to build a lot yet.

Let me ask you this. remember that? You remember that? I still hear about it. The Bama fans still bring that up. How you doing now, Bama? Yeah. Bam, I'd zip it. Let me tell you something. I get into this discussion. Who was I talking to

about this? Oh, my buddy John Middlough said, the South is different. The intensity of SEC football is different. Even than Big Ten, and they love Big Ten football. In what way? Crowd environment or playing? I mean, it is in Chicago, they love Big Ten.

football. They talk Cubs, they talk bears. In the South, there's a one... I'm talking about there is one topic in the South for 12 months. It's SEC football. No, I agree with that. And it is they judge recruiting. That is 12 days of sports talk. The columnists, is Kallin DeBoer potentially the wrong personality fit? In fact, maybe. When there was a story out this two weeks ago, that when people went to that Washington team with Pennix

and they went and they kind of scouted the staff. Everybody said, boy, you've got a maid here. There's no pressure. And Washington loves their football. I've watched Jim McElwain, a friend of mine, goes down to Florida. Urban Meyer physically worn out at Florida goes, get me up north.

I don't know if Kalin DeBore is built for Bama and the SEC. And I think Bama even more than Georgia is the pressure cooker. I think Kalin is an excellent coach's record speaks for itself. I agree. To your point about fit, I think that there could be something to that because it is a different animal. And in particular there, and more specifically, with who he's replacing, right?

I mean, this is a no win for Kalin DeBore. That being said, here's the alarming part about what happened on Saturday, is that Alabama rolled out there. It's not like they turned it over five or six times and ended up getting beat. They couldn't run the ball. They were the team that got beat physically. They got beat schematically. They were the team that got beat by speed. They were the slower team.

And here's the one that really shocked me. Where was the effort? There's some pieces of video out there that are alarming. For 16 years, that team had a top three or four roster in the sport. And they played with a. sense of urgency that was unlike any other team, they played like their life depended on it. Like they were, like their next breath of air depended on their effort. Part of that was the competition built into the roster because they knew if they didn't do

that, the kid behind them was just as good and would take their spot. And the other part of that was the level of expectation surrounding practice and preparation for the week. Here's where I think that Nick Sabin and Kalin-de-Boor differ the most is the urgency during the week. I think Kalyn approaches it a little bit more West Coast NFL style. Hey, take care of your business. We trust our plan. We trust our quality players. Let's go out there and put it on display. And when he's got experienced guys in a quality offensive line like he had with Washington and Pinnock's with Roma Dunzee on the outside and those quality players, man, it's beautiful.

And it works really, really well. Now, when he doesn't have that and the offensive line, which is supposed to be good, starts getting decimated and a young quarterback that doesn't have the confidence is running for his life. Plus, the game plan is wrong. Did you know that Ryan Williams spent 90% of his snaps in the slot? Last year it was 20% of his snaps. He is an outside receiver and a beautiful outside receiver. When he's in space operating in one-on-ones...

Second-best talent receiver in the country after Jeremiah Smith. I totally agree with that. And they were putting him in the slot, and he's not a slot guy. All right? He's not Tyreek in the slot or Jackson Smith and Jigba in the slot where he's, His game is about shiftingness and short area quickness. He's also not a guy like Jeremiah Smith, who's 6, 4, 220 pounds, who can go across the middle, and he's not going to get punished by safeties.

No, no, no. He's a guy that doesn't have that short area quickness. He's a fluid, straight line, beautiful route runner-wide receiver, and he was getting punished by those safeties to the point that he can't finish the game. So the game plan was wrong. The offensive line was terrible. The young quarterback was overwhelmed. Their effort was bad.

They were out-physicaled. defense was bad. They couldn't stop the run. Where does Alabama go? If I'm not panicked about Texas, I am panicked to 10 for Alabama, because now all of a sudden that Alabama team is just a shell of its former self. By the way, I'm going to take Oklahoma over Michigan this weekend. Okay. Yeah, I, I, um, replacing Jim Harbaugh is difficult. And I, I, I, and we have to be honest about this. I know we have, you're America's honesty broker. Well, I like to I think most people view that as true. If you look at the history of Michigan and Notre Dame,

or Michigan and Ohio State, and this gets people all rankled up because they love me in Ann Arbor. I am one of them. Didn't go to the school, fly over it regularly, never went there, they love me. And I have said Ohio State's the better football program. Well, yeah. Yeah. Michigan's got the better medical center.

It's got the better law school. Michigan's the better university. Right. Right. But Ohio State is the only SEC. team north. The fans, the talk, the relentlessness, the commitment. But it's more than that. Ohio State has never had a sustained dip. You know, like they have been great for 25 or 30 years.

So I'm going to throw this out. And this may hurt one of the new guys that they hired on your show in the afternoon. I think Ohio State's going to own this series for the next 10 years. Well, it's hard to say when they're o' and four in their last four. It's not hard for this honesty broker. Isn't it? Ohio State is going to run that series for a decade. Um, okay. I mean, Michigan would beg to differ at this point. Here's the thing with this week's game for Michigan is let's go back to where we started this entire conversation. What's the one thing that we overlooked with Arch Manning? Playing on the road in a difficult environment for the first time is incredibly hard.

You don't know what you don't know as a young quarterback. I can tell you from firsthand, I remember vividly my first start on the road. It was at Kansas State in 2003, and that was a Kansas State team coached by Bill Snyder that would go on to win the Big 12. How'd you do? We lost. How'd you do? I did not play well, and I did a lot of things that were uncharacteristic. I set three formations wrong.

I went the wrong way on a run play. Just because you're dealing with emotions, and you're dealing with things and adrenaline that you've never dealt with before on the football field, and that's something that Bryce Underwood is going to have to deal with this week when he goes to Oklahoma, and that environment is going to be outstanding. Plus, he's not going to see some vanilla New Mexico defense.

he's going to see Brent Venable's defense on the other side, which is aggressive. They'll change their looks. They get the call in late. It's not going to be clean pictures. So if Michigan can't just run the football at Oklahoma, then it could be difficult because I do know one thing about Michigan's offensive line. They're elite run blockers, average pass blockers. If they fall behind it all and Venables and that crowd and that pressure starts getting

ratchett up, then Bryce Underwood might be under a lot of duress come Saturday night. By the way, Underwood's great. I do. I believe that. The kid at USC, the freshman. He looked good, too. Yeah, he's good. I'm not down to the player.

It was a school that doesn't have a rich history, but is on their way. It was it, it was, you know, you didn't ask me about my first start. Oh, I'm sorry. Colin, what was your first start? I didn't play college. Okay. I was already becoming a beacon of honesty as a broadcaster at Eastern Washington. That's right.

Yeah. There were opportunities, but I chose. broadcasting. Well, and you eventually You chose correctly. We ended up at the same place. Yes, yes, we did. Well, and you're on the throne. Look at this. Look at this new set. This is a beautiful set. It really is.

It's a lot. It's a lot of management. It's a lot of pressure. A lot of pressure. And unlike Arch Manning, I'm hitting the layup so far. You are? Well, your experience. Not your first rodeo. One more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHeart Radio app.

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The French Open is one of the toughest tests in tennis, and I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs Tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on clay. Jen Chinchin win. I mean, she went down at three to Rabakina, but I'm delayed. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lena Rubakina is arguably the best player in the world right now.

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for the Texas Ohio State college football game. I cannot give you the rating. I cannot believe the number. It is the most watched week one game in the history of college football. This is why I was such a proponent of the playoff is that you're going to get teams that say, I mean, by the way, both these teams will probably be in the playoffs.

Notre Dame in Miami. They'll both be in the playoff. LSU Clemson. So it was an unbelievable week. Wait until you see the number the rating this puppy got. It is. I mean, I was blown away by it. And so it's the most watch week.

And you had to watch until the end because that Texas got that touchdown. There was just enough time to make it interesting. I do wonder what would have happened if Texas got the touchdown on the tush push. Does that change? Does Ryan Day get a little more aggressive in play calling? Once they stopped them there, I kind of felt like, you know, Ohio State kind of felt like okay, we dodged the bullet there. We're good.

But, wow. It is arguably, well, it's the best opening weekend in the history of college football. Notre Dame Miami was incredible. LSU Clemson, great. I mean, the DUD, TCU, even that one got me to mid-third quarter, Belichick's debut. But, wow. I'm just going to tell you, it got like an NFL number. What do you think this does for Arch Manning?

Are we going to see him on TV every week now? Because a lot of this had to do with Arch Manning. No, I think Ohio State and Texas are two of the top four brands on the sport. But I think the appetite to see this kid, what has he got? He's a Manning. You know, we've seen him before, but this is his show now. I think he's much-watched, must-watch TV, even with these three duds that he's got coming up. Well, you know what?

That's part of the process of being a star quarterback. When people came out and said, I can't believe Caleb Williams is getting crushed because he painted his fingernails. If you're going to be the number one pick, and I remember when Baker Mayfield, and Peter King said I was too tough on Baker Mayfield. He's going to be the number one pick in the draft. He's a quarterback. I'm going to be tough on him. And by the way, he always took it well.

I mean, we went back and forth. But that's part of the process of being, if he's great, he is eligible to come out. He's been in the program. I mean, because he entered early to the program. He was an early enrollee. So he's already been there like three years. And he's a manning. So I'm not worried about it.

And he's a smart kid he can handle. I didn't love multiple ad campaigns. I did not love that. at all. But, you know, like 6 million in NIL money. Oh, yeah, it's not going to come out of thin air. I just didn't love that. I always thought Brady did it right.

I want to see production and trophies before I get a bunch of ads. I think you're just, but it's money and I get it. Brady was a pro. I mean, Arch is a college kid making. Yeah, but he's a manning kid. Do you think you're turning down $6 million if you're 21 years old? No, I just think, I just think the mannings are different. They live at a different space.

Everything they touch works. Because his family has money, maybe. Well, I mean, if you count Omaha. productions and Eli has got a business. Eli and Cooper is at Cooper has a business, which is a fascinating business about hotels in the south and on college campuses. That family all in is probably worth a billion dollars. You know when you're a young kid, you want to be your own man, right? You leave home, you go to college. I'm my own guy. I don't need my parents' money. Come on. Well, you're also a man. Yeah, but I would say you're a manning. It's different. You and I are like

that. I think there are certain families in this country. Like, I mean, I'm seriously about, you know, this is not analogous perfectly, but like the Rockefeller kids or there are certain East Coast families where you're part of a little bit of a financial dynasty or, or, you know, West Coast families in entertainment. Ronnie James, right? I heard a lot of stories. He goes to USC and he was making tons of money playing video games. He was like a gamer.

And he, like, why are you playing video games until 2 in the morning? Because I want to make my own money. That's the stories people say that he was saying he wants to make his own money. He doesn't want dad's money. I cannot knock arts for the money. I can not knocking him. I'm just saying it doesn't bother me that he's being criticized because that is Texas quarterbacks are under the spot.

It's Notre Dame quarterbacks. It's Yankee short stops. It's once you're with NIL, here's the downside to all the soft, cookie dough soft sports riders that cover college football. Once you pay the players, they're professional. The criticism ramps up. I used to always be like, I'm not going to really harshly criticize a college quarterback until he's eligible for the draft.

You're making five large as a sophomore at Texas. You're a pro. Carson Beck was cleaning up. Carson Beck is a pro athlete. It was fair to rip him at Georgia. It's fair to praise him now. Yeah, the NIL has changed everything. You're getting paid $5 million.

You're making more than everybody about the head coach on the staff. You can be criticized now. You want to take the money. I'm for it. But this idea that it's all the same now. Basically, Lane Kiffin had it right. NIL is free agency. That's what NIL is. It's professional free agency.

Look at the Tennessee quarterback who left for UCLA. That was in the spring. He just bolted Tennessee to UCLA. Stinks up the Joint. Hey, Nico, come on, bro. All right. Live in L.A. It's the herd.

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Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. Pretty, yeah, pretty wide range of podcasts throughout there. But this one's extra special. So how do we actually come up with a name Hey Jonas, guys? I honestly don't remember. I think it was on a call about what we should call it.

Well, we were thinking I'm originally calling it one of the early names. of our band before Jonas Brothers was... This is how you guys remember it going down? Yes. I have a very different memory of this. We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast

where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas. And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast. But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The French Open is one. one of the toughest tests in tennis. And I know firsthand because I competed there myself. I'm Renee Stubbs, and on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast, I'm breaking down everything happening at Roland Garris. Every match, every upset, and what it really takes to win on Clay.

Jenchian win. I mean, she went down in three to Rabakina, but I'm delighted. She's an outsider to win the French for me. And she likes Clay. Listen, Lerner Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now. And I actually can win on any. surface because if she's serving, well, good luck. Consider this your court side seat to the French Open.

Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. Jacob Kingston grew up in an isolated polygamous sect. We were God's chosen kingdom on earth. He felt destined for greatness. So when a swaggering Armenian businessman, catapults Jacob into an extraordinary world, he doesn't look back.

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Listen to Kingdom of Fraud on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Wait until you see that number, that rating for Ohio State, Texas, America. So is it older, is it a larger number than my age? You know, I just, I can rent a car now. be a Super Bowl. I'm kidding. I'm just saying I don't spend a ton of time worrying about that, but I guessed the number, and I was way off.

I mean, just the pregame shows, Big Noon and Game Day, combined massive numbers. So the audiences are just exploding everywhere for college football. It's a buy. There are certain sports like I like the MLS, but once they went to Apple, there's no casual viewers. They don't pop up on my feed. like that's not a buy anymore. I think college football is a buy.

Jay Mack with the news. No, no, no, no, no. Turn on the news. This is the herd line news. Steelers Jets, week one, Justin Fields. Hey, he hears the media talking about the revenge angle, but he says, hey, man, this is just another football game. The storyline is crazy.

I mean, that's why the NFL set us up for week once, just for that. But, I mean, yeah, that's cool. cool to, you know, kind of see that. And, you know, it's kind of fun, you know, going to see the guys on Sunday. So I'm a big believer in everything happens for a reason. Like I said, I was in a spot last year where I was able to see the game from a different perspective. I learned a lot from, you know, Russ, and just all the other rest there.

So, not at all. I kind of like the Jets here. Put Sauce Gardner, put him on D.K. Metcalfe, take him out of the game and put some pressure with that defensive front on the old Aaron Rogers. Yeah. Remember, Fields went four and two with the Steelers. Yeah. If you extrapolate those numbers out, he would have been a borderline pro-bowl quarterback in the NFC,

but he was in the ASC with the Jets or Steelers. The Crummy Jets news is AVT, Vera Tucker, the kid from USC, excellent offensive line. He could play multiple positions. He hurt a lot. Sounds like he might be out for the season with a torn peck. He's getting a second opinion. I don't want to speak any more of it. Let's move on.

Let's go to the Lions, Colin. Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn depart Detroit. everybody's worried. Jared Goff says, hey, man, we're going to be fine ahead of the matchup against Micah Parsons and the Packers. Vegas has been wrong before, right? Who knows? We'll see. I think, yeah, they're a good team. They added a good player, and we're all zero and zero. It's confusing because I don't even know where do we stand externally. I don't know what people, you know, and I don't really care, but like, are we supposed to be good? Are we supposed to be bad? Or we say, you know,

all these different storylines. And so we don't, you can't ride that roller coaster, and we don't. Yeah. I, you know, the Green Bay Packers, we're all still asking the same question. Is Jordan Love really good? And I don't think anybody knows the answer. I don't. I think he's tall, moves well with a whip for an arm. And I like the way he plays more far than Aaron Rogers. He'll throw picks. He doesn't care. He's got a little Andrew locking a little far. If he can be a little reckless, but he doesn't care. He just stands back there with a lot of confidence and lets it go. I like him. But at the end of last year, probably, hurt didn't play particularly well. Yeah, I'm a little surprised Packers are favored by more. I thought they'd be at least three here at home. One of my favorite games.

I like Green Bay. We'll be talking about that game a lot. Green Bay is one of my favorite picks of the weekend. On Friday. Final story, Collins, a college football. Now, I wanted to save some time for this. LSU Clemson was crazy. So Clemson did well the first quarter and a half, and then LSU took over.

And Clemson was inept. So afterward, Dabo Sweeney and Brian Kelly traded Barbes in the post-game presser. You need to listen to this. That was the last play. Right out of the gate. It's like getting the final exam, they won a class. They made a 65, we made a 58. One of us were great.

I thought we dominated him in the second half. So he's either a really good grader for giving himself a 58, or he's a really hard grader on us, or he didn't see the second half, which that might be the case. He might not have wanted to see the second half. half. Wow. Brian Kelly talking tough.

Well, I mean, I thought LSU was clearly the better team. Oh, second half, dabble. We need up, halftime adjustments are big in sports. Are you going to the locker room? You make adjustments. And LSU-U dominated the second half. Nussmeyer made every throw. Clubneck.

I think Brian Kelly's right. People may think that's, you know, kind of jerky, but I think he's right. Well, there was some, is Brian Kelly on the hot seat? I know the buyout's expensive, but he was catching some heat in the preseason. Are they good? and they go into Clemson. That's a great win. And totally control the second half.

He's not wrong. LSU was the better team. Garrett Nussmeyer may have had the best weekend of every quarterback to go on the road. That's like a pro prospect. I thought Garrett Nussmeier played. Again, I know he's experienced, but that's a tough environment.

You go in as an underdog. I mean, they were, I don't know what the line was. I think it was like. Clemson was favored by more than a few. Bruce Feldman coming on the show. He's all in on Clemson saying they're great. I didn't see it, Colin. I didn't see any greatness from Lutson. No. J. Mack, with the news.

Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The Hurd Lie News. I'm going to talk you into taking Harbaugh and the points. Which one? Ravens? Or 49ers? Baltimore's got a better roster than Buffalo. Better ways to spend my money than getting... I think I like both Harbaugh's this weekend. Hour three next. Hey guys, it's us. The Jonas Brothers. I'm Joe. I'm Kevin. And I'm Nick, and guess what? We created our own podcast called

Hey Jonas. We invented a podcast? Well, we didn't invent it. We just contributed to it. We're the first people to do podcasts. We get to ask other people questions because we're sick and tired of being asked questions. Well, sick and tired is a strong way to put it, but, you know, tired and sick. Listen to Hey Jonas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple

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Listen to humor me with Robert Smigel and Friends on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Winning on Clay is an art. The rallies are relentless. And at the first French Open, only the toughest survive. I'd know. I competed there for decades. Join me, Renee Stubbs, on the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast for no-nonsense breakdowns of the biggest matches, the toughest players, and the moments that define Roland Garris. Genschen won. She's an outsider to win the French for me.

And she likes Clay. Listen, Lennar Rabakina is arguably the best player in the world right now, and I actually can win on any surface. Listen to the Renee Stubbs tennis podcast on the Iheart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of I Heart Women's Sports. Last night, a blown call changed a game. This morning, the internet lost its mind, and nobody's telling you exactly what happened.

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