The Herd with Colin Cowherd - The Herd - Hour 2 - The Packers have time

Episode Date: March 16, 2023

The Packers have some leverage over the Jets The Ravens need to keep Lamar Jackson Patriots are acting like Tom Brady is still on the team   Guest: Albert BreerSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Thanks for making us part of your day. Albert Breyer's about three minutes away. I started the show today, and I'll say it again. I thought it was fascinating. Jay Mack and I are married, have kids. Jordan Peterson's a popular Canadian, very, very popular, massive YouTube channel. He's a psychologist in Canada and all. author, kind of a right, a very right-leaning anti-climate change guy.

I've read one of his books. He's an interesting guy. I don't agree. I don't have to agree with all you believe to read your stuff. I don't agree with Joe Rogan all the time. I listen to a podcast. I don't agree with Jordan Peterson. I've listened to it.

Ben Shapiro, I've heard it. Bill Maher. I don't know who's agree with him. John Stewart. I don't have to agree with you to consume you. I've read Ann Coulter's books. I watch Bill Maher's show. I love John Stewart.

I love John Oliver. I've listened to Jordan Peterson. And his theory is you truly become an adult when you love somebody more than yourself. Because when you're young, I can experience this. I was the center of my world. And Bill Simmons and I talked about this when you get old rich, no kids never married, you live on that phone, you live in a world thinking everything affects you and everybody's thinking about you. And so I said, Aaron Rogers, rich, good looking, Hollywood, cool, all this,

mega rich, smart guy, said he was surprised when he came out of the retreat and Green Bay said, hit the road. And I'm like, how can you be surprised as an adult? If you told the Packers you were 90% into retiring, if I told my wife for Fox Sports, I'm 90% into retiring, I may give you an answer after my retreat. How in God's name could I be surprised when I came out of the retreat if my wife said, hit the road, pal, or Fox said, we'll see you. The only surprise is Aaron's surprised by it. How? Because he doesn't have to answer to anybody or empathize. In his world, he can't believe it.

If you got people that call you on your, you know what, a wife, your kids, real friends who call you on your crap, there's no way you could be surprised. Green Bay is like, hit the road. We're tired of sitting there and waiting for you to make a decision. I'm shocked. And these were his words. His words. His words. words, Aaron, 90% into retirement and 90% and his words, 90% into retirement before the retreat and surprise when I came out. How in God's name can you be? Because there's, this is somebody. And I said, Aaron wants you to think he's the smartest guy in the room. And I do think he's very bright, but is he an adult? Because when you're an adult, you're not the most important person in your life. And that's Jordan Peterson's theory on it, which I subscribe to, which is,

once you have kids, you jump in front of a moving car for a kid. I love my friends. I'm not doing that. And you do that instinctively because you're not the most important person in your life. I'm not doing this. You do the exact same thing as a parent. You jump in front of a car. You wouldn't do it before you're married.

But you do that once you are not the most important person in your life, which I am gladly not. So that's one of Jordan Peterson's theories. And I do subscribe to that. It doesn't make it right. There's other ways to become an adult. but I think it's much harder to do it when you're living in your own galaxy, rich, handsome, people move, the path opens up everywhere you go. I'm surprised that Aaron's surprised.

That's my take. I'm shocked that Aaron came out of that and went, I can't believe you're tired of this crap. My wife would have called me if I told Fox for eight weeks, I don't have an answer yet. Anne would be like, give them an answer, Schmuck. What are you doing? They're going to boot you to the curb.

Because I have somebody that calls me out in my life. My kids would be like, dad, grow up. Give them an answer. So it's not the only way to be an adult, but it does speed it up once you have somebody calling you on your crap. The fact that Aaron's surprised is, to me, bizarre. You're living in just a tiny little tunnel if you're surprised people said, hit the road.

So I've been saying this now for a year. I'd rip the bandaid off. I don't like to be manipulated. You don't have to like me. I don't care if I'm not. I'm not liked by half my audience. You don't have to like me. But don't manipulate me.

If you don't like me, fire me. If you don't like me, get rid of me. If you don't like me, don't let me come to the party. Don't manipulate me. That's what I feel Aaron's done with Green Bay. There's this manipulation going on, using his leverage at every turn. So now Green Bay is holding off this trade because they can manipulate him. And with that, we bring in Albert Breer.

So let's talk about that, Albert. The option bonus you discussed yesterday. So from what I didn't know this, give our audience an update on, it appears Green Bay's got all the leverage here. Yeah, it was smart of the Packers to build the option bonus in the way they did. Most of most bonuses that are this way have a hard deadline. So it'll be March 15th or April 1st or in the case of Derek Carr, it was in the middle of February that forces the team to make a decision. Well, the way the Packers built the option bonus into this contract, they have to exercise it. It's fully guaranteed.

The money is going to get to Aaron Rogers one way or the other, but they don't have to exercise it until September 1st, and it doesn't have to be paid until a week after that. Part of it's paid a week after that. Part of it's paid September 30th. So that gives them the flexibility. It's just sort of squat on Aaron Rogers' rights. And they don't have to act with any urgency here.

And meanwhile, you know, on the other side of the table, you've got the Jets who, you know, now Aaron Rogers is declared, I want to be a New York Jet. And there's a ton of pressure on them. to get him there, especially with guys like Alan Lazzard signing, maybe Randall Cobb comes with him. So there's pressure on the Jets to get this done, and there's no pressure on the Packers to do it at this point. I still think, like, when the dust settles and when the Packers dig out from the comments that Rogers made yesterday, the cooler heads are going to prevail, and there's a fair deal to be

done here, maybe a second rounder this year and a conditional pick or two down the road based on how he plays, whether or not he plays in 2024. But as it stands right now, the Packers can sit back, you know, sort of lean back in their office chairs, you know, seeing what Aaron said yesterday and smirk and say to the Jets, you've got to come to us now. Wow. So Lamar Jackson's situation is interesting to me. I had a discussion yesterday with somebody close to that organization. I said, I don't understand what the Atlanta Falcons.

They have an offensive coach who would be better equipped to handle a unique quarterback. The division can't be this off. forever. So there's a moment in time now to seize the division. Because Derek Carr could win it, but we don't know if Dennis Allegan coach. He bombed with the Raiders. He's been bad so far with the Saints. He may not have the right coach. The division's week. It would be Lamar in Atlanta would be a merchandise home run. He's a newsmaking machine. And I'm like,

Arthur Blank's a good owner. How long do you want to be bad? The quarterback hit rates 50% on first round quarterbacks. That's first rounders. Yeah. Does Atlanta, Washington, isn't today, the window opens for Lamar to contact other teams? Does Atlanta feel obvious to you?

Is there anybody else out there? On paper it does. On paper it does. But here's what you want to look at, Colin. Look at the quarterback contracts done last year. Vegas did one. Denver did one. Cleveland did one.

Green Bay did one. Arizona did one. Which of those teams came out of those? deals happy. Like a year later, which of those teams is looking at that and saying, wow, we had a home run here? I think that there's something happening in the league right now that people aren't paying a lot of attention to. And it's a pushback on the idea of going and paying top dollar to get good, but not great at that position. And, you know, I think what you've seen in Tampa with Kyle Trask and now Baker Mayfield in Washington, with Sam Hal and now Jacoby Versette, and in Atlanta,

with Desmond Ritter and now Taylor Heineke is we're going to be economical at the position. And we are not going to go and pay top dollar for a Derek Carr or a Daniel Jones. We feel like we're good enough where we're going to be able to tread water with less than that, less of a spend at that position, and we're going to spend the money we save everywhere else. And we're going to wait until there's a quarterback we're all in on before we make that big splash. And I think in a lot of ways like Kansas City drew a roadmap for people. looking to do this, right? Which is they had Alex Smith for four years.

He was good. A good quarterback. It bought them time to get to Patrick Mahomes. And they were patient, patient, patient, and waited until there was a guy there that they were ready to go all in on. And they were all in on Patrick Mahomes. They go and get him. It all works out.

I think this is sort of Atlanta and Washington and Tampa saying, we're not sure there's a guy out there right now that we're 100% in on. Maybe we'd be 70% in on Lamar Jackson. Maybe we'd be 80% in on Lamar Jackson. But the contract, the injuries, all of it, the two first round picks going out the door, we're not 100%. So we're going to sit tight. We're going to stay loose at that position.

We're going to be economical at that position. We're going to build the rest of our team. And we're going to wait for the right opportunity to come along. Now, the risk there is you could wind up waiting for too long and get yourself fired. Right. But I think that's sort of the approach that we're seeing teams start to take now and looking at some of the big quarterback deals. that have been done over the last couple of years

and how at least a couple of them have blown up in teams faces. So I talked to somebody, an executive in the league yesterday, and they made note of how smart Kansas City was. They said, this is a great example. The Patriots used to do this, and now they're getting worked. That Juju Smith-Schuster was wildly talented but distracted in Pittsburgh, and the chief said, come here for a year. We're not going to pay anything.

We're going to give you 70% of your contract is going to be bonuses and incentives. it made Juju work hard and hit some of those. The minute he did, see you later. And the suckers come in and give him a long-term contract. So the Steelers who've always been willing to deal with drama and personalities bailed on him. The Chiefs, after one year and a good Super Bowl, bailed on him. And the Patriots let go of undrafted workaholic, productive Jacoby Myers, not a TikTok guy, not a brand guy,

and they go sign juju for three years. And I thought, Patriot fans made fun at teams that did that years ago. That got, that did that. I cannot believe they let Jacoby go, brought in juju. To me, that is not the Patriot way. Your thoughts. Yeah.

You know, I think it's trying to find a bargain is the problem there. You know, like is that we don't want to pay $25 million a year for A.J. Brown. So like let's pay less for someone who's a fraction of that that we think we can coach up and make better. And I think they sort of fell into that trap with John New Smith a couple years ago too. He's the perfect example, right? Like this is what they used to do. They used to get the most out of a player his first four years in the league. They realized part of it was their system and what they were doing with him.

They let him go. He'd go get paid somewhere else. He'd get cut after a couple of years and then he would come back. Like Patrick Chung was the greatest example of that. He was pretty good in his first four years in New England, went to Philly for a year, didn't work out, got cut. He comes back on a more economical deal, and he winds up being a bedrock for some Super Bowl teams in New England. The reverse happened with John News Smith. John New Smith was really good under Arthur Smith in Tennessee, right? He was his position coach, then he was his

coordinator. Arthur Smith knew how to get everything out of John New Smith. John Smith goes somewhere else. It doesn't work the same way. And what does New England do? After two years, they've got to trade his contract away for nothing. And where does John New Smith go? To Atlanta. Who's in Atlanta? Arthur Smith. So, you know, I think that there's that part of it where they're looking for bargains. They're looking for good deals and they're unwilling to swing at the top of the market because they've never done that because they never had to do that because they were either getting discounts on players who wanted to play with Brady or they were bringing in lesser players who Brady could lift up. That's what Kansas City is doing now. And I think that that's sort of where the disconnect is with New England is I think they're still operating like Tom Brady's on the team when he's not there anymore.

Yeah. Finally, I'll circle back to my Jordan Peterson rant. The only thing I took away from Aaron yesterday that I was surprised by is that he was surprised after leaning 90% retirement going into his thing he did in Oregon. My takeaway for that hour he talked was, how in God's name can you be surprised? You've been stringing these guys along for nine weeks. They're tired of your crap. So my takeaway on that whole thing was Aaron, dude, you got to be less deluded. You got to be less self-centered.

You cannot be surprised. That shocked me. What do you make of that? That my assert, whether Jordan Peterson's right, he's a psychologist, a PhD, and his theory is to be an adult, you can't be the most important person in your life. Regardless of that, I am taken back that Aaron would be surprised by the Packers moving on him. Well, first of all, like the minute we get off here, I'm going to Google this, Jordan Peterson thing because I think it's really interesting.

My takeaway was like, okay, so you're only coming back for revenge. You know what I mean? Like that's sort of what I took away from it was if you were 90% out. And then all of a sudden you're back all in, well, it's the only reason you're coming back now for revenge. And like, look, like some of the questions with the Packers over the last year were questions of how engaged Aaron Rogers was, right? Like they really would have liked to have had him there in April and May and June last year.

And they felt like part of the reason why Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs came along later in the year rather than earlier in the year was because they hadn't had those reps with Aaron Rogers during OTAs and mini camps and all that other stuff. So like my question is going to be going forward. What level of engagement are the Jets getting from Aaron Rogers? And if revenge is his motivator, does that level of engagement maintain over time? Right. If they're going to have him there for two years, is he going to be fully engaged for the full two years? Because you remember Brady, right, Colin? Like what Brady did that first year in Tampa? That was in the middle of COVID. He was like breaking all the rules to get working with those guys. You remember the helicopters over that high school in Tampa? Jesuit high school. Like you remember how he like walked into somebody's house. He thought it was like Byron left which his house. Right. Right. Like because he was trying to because he was doing everything that he possibly could to get up to. speed with his teammates, learn his new environment, and build something. And so, like, that's going to be

what's going to be really interesting to me going forward. Whenever they work out the deal, is Aaron Rogers going back to, like, the level of engagement from 10 years ago? Are we seeing, like, Aaron Rogers fully engaged? And is revenge enough of a motivator to get him there? Like, I think that that's going to be a really interesting, you know, question to ask over the next few weeks, is he going to be at OTAs? Is he going to be at minicamp? Because if we get a fully engaged Aaron Rogers look out, Right. If we don't, we're talking about something else. Good stuff, Albert Breer. Good seeing you, buddy. It's always nice stuff.

All right. Thanks, Colin. That is what you, before our show started today, J-Mack, a Jets fan, said that to me. He goes, boy, Aaron's going to be ticked off. And I do think revenge is a powerful jet fuel. I think it's a very powerful. And I do think it works. I don't think it's a joyful way to live.

But I do think it works. I think Brady had a lot of that chip on his shoulder. revenge for teams that have passed on him. So I do think Kobe Bryant, a lot of great athletes, Michael Jordan, have used that revenge thing. I think revenge is very powerful. I don't think it's healthy, but I do think it's powerful. Is that you'd land on a hundred percent?

I mean, listen, even on a small scale myself, like people didn't, oh, you can't do radio, Jason, you're a website guy, you're a writer, you're a reporter. I'll prove you wrong. Jason, you're not, you're moving to L.A. to do TV? I can handle it. I got this. I love sports. Aaron Rogers was told, hey, you were maybe going to be number one pick, craters to the number 20 pick, sits in the green room forever, and then

wins multiple MVP's, wins a Super Bowl, and now the Packers are like dusting him, we're done with you, goodbye. You don't think he's going to be highly motivated. I would not be shocked if he was working in the offseason, like Brear said, with Garrett Wilson, showing up, doing the stuff, putting in the reps that matter. Well, anytime somebody kicks you to the curb, it motivates you. Yeah, you get dumped by your girlfriend. You're going out immediately in trying to rebound. Right. So I think, I hope Aaron is fueled to be more committed because I think he's great. Listen, I work at Fox. Us losing Aaron Rogers, all the good quarterbacks are in the AFC. No, I mean, dead serious. I work at Fox. It's not good for our company to have the best quarterbacks Jalen Hertz. We got a bunch of Brock Purdy's and Gino Smith.

Well, your guy, Jared Goff is still in the NFC. The point being the top six, if Aaron goes over, the top seven, eight quarterbacks in the league, arguably, are all in the CBS's deal. Now, the way it works these days, we'll get some of those games. Because at the end of our, when we had better teams, we had to give up some of our games, the NFL steps in and does that. But the point being is, Aaron is good for Fox. It's good for the NFC.

Great for the league. Yeah, so I want an inspired Aaron. People think I'm unfair to Aaron. I am the single most fair person in the world on Aaron, which is I called him out seven, eight years ago, and he came on my show after he won the Super Bowl. He came on the next day, the Monday, and took a shot at me, And it was kind of funny.

He goes, oh, I mean, now you believe. I said from the very beginning, super talented, arrogant, don't like his body language. I said from the very beginning. But I also said I like him much more than Brett Farve. I think he's a much smarter guy. He's a thinking man's quarterback. I think he's a little bit of an artist, the jazz musician. I've defended Kyler Murray.

I'll defend, not everybody does it the same way. Not everybody's Brady. Not everybody's LeBron. They sit in the gym and work. Some guys, these are artists. We have musical artists. We have painters. We have Stephen Spielberg, and some of our great athletes are artists.

They have their own golf swing, their own way to see the world. And artists stumble in their journey. John Morant stumbles. So I am for Aaron meditating, doing whatever he has to do. I am totally for that. But I'm going to call him on his crap when he says, I'm 90% into retirement going into the retreat. And then I'm surprised when I came out that Green Bay said,

bro, we're moving on. Aaron grow up. You got to have people around you in your life. Somebody had to say, Aaron, dude, you can't keep, it's nine weeks. Somebody in your life, be it a, and that's why I think having relationships, children, it does make you good. You think John Morant would be in this trouble if you had four kids and he's married? Not going out of the clubs.

You didn't do that crap. You know what I know. Yeah. Our wives hold us accountable constantly. I know yesterday I was poo-pooing the idea of Rogers. I was very skewing negative, shall we say. Start to warm up to the idea overnight. Some people pointed out, hey, Jay, enjoy the prime time games with Rogers,

not just being relegated to Thursday night football only. You can be getting Sunday night. Jets haven't been on Sunday night football forever. You're going to get Monday night? Like, Jets are going to be all over television, and it's great for the league, the New York market, Rogers. But is that good for the team? The Giants complained for years when they had Eli Manning

that how come you keep putting us on Sunday night games? it screws up our clock, it screws up our weekly schedule. So the television, by the way, New England vetched about this for years. New England's like, that's why the NFL has a rule. You can only be on TV so much. Teams don't want to play on Thursday. They don't want to play on Monday. But remember, I'm a Jets fan living out here in L.A.

It's tough to watch Jets games. They don't get a lot of national games. Sunday I've got to fire up like all these online feeds to watch. Like, that's not a great experience. Let me go back to this, though. The fact that Aaron was. surprised, Green Bay kicked him to the curb. What is your interpretation?

Lack of self-awareness. I mean, just total lack of self-awareness. Just ask yourself, if you told your bosses you were 90% into quitting, I'll get closer to an answer after I go to Vegas for four days. And you came back and they said, we're moving on. You'd be surprised? You don't have any friends that call you on your crap. after eight straight weeks of leaving Green Bay in limbo,

your words, you were kind of surprised. Green Bay said, bro, we got a guy in the building. Aaron, Jordan Love, you've seen him. Aaron has said Jordan Love's really good. So Aaron's seen Jordan Love. He's been in the building three years. Aaron, his words, has said the kid's going to be really good.

So there's a guy in the building to replace you. If you literally Bob Costas or whoever was here in the building, and I'm like eight weeks I'll give you an answer. Let me go to Vegas for a weekend. I'll get closer. And they came back and they said, whoever the sportscaster is. It could be Stephen A. Smith.

It could be NBA. And I came back and went, yeah, I can't believe they did that. I would lack total self-awareness. By the way, isn't this the second straight offseason that Rogers has had a bunch of drama swirling? It might be the third for, I mean, I lost track. But that's one of the reasons I'm lukewarm on Rogers, right?

Like, he's doing this every offseason now, Colin? Why do you think Green Bay's suddenly gotten very... So what, and the Jets want to get in bed with this guy? Well, they'll be better. Damn it, now I just flip-flop back to I don't want him anymore. Want more herd? The herd streams 24 hours a day, seven days a week, within the IHard Radio app. Search Herd to listen live or on demand whenever you'd like.

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The team had been shopping in last season, remember, nearly went to the Packers. What's what Waller had to say in his first appearance since the trade. I did not see this coming. I was getting ready to, you know, just do everything I could to make myself available for the Raiders and get ready for everything that was going to start in mid-April. So it caught me off guard, but that's the nature of the business. I'm willing to come out here and to be the best I can be to be a weapon for this team,

a tool that this team can use to get to that next level that they want to go to. And that's exactly what I'm going to do. Seems like Waller not thrilled. There was some reports that he just got married to a WNBA player who is on the Vegas team. And McDaniels trades him like two weeks after his wedding or whatever. Well, they have a good backup tied in. I just meant from a personal standpoint. I don't think Waller wanted to leave Vegas.

Very good player also had some injuries. Has had some injuries. They also really resurrected his career. He had some personal foibles. Oh, he's a great comeback story. Yeah. So, I mean, it's like the Raiders did him well. He did the Raiders well.

And they just decided, you know, we're going to pay other people. They decided they were going to pay another receiver. Jacoby Myers. And so they'll have Devante Adams, Kobe Myers, Hunter Renfro, and Moreau is a very good backup tied end. So, I mean, that's just one of those things is we like you,

but we got to make tough decisions here. So Garoppolo was cheaper than, you know, star quarterbacks, but he wasn't a discount. Josh Jacobs now becomes very expensive. Max Crosby now is very expensive. Have they paid Colton Miller yet? I think they're getting close to paying Colton Miller.

So it's just one of those cap casual that you've got to move off a really good player. I'll say this about Waller. So he came on the show at the Super Bowl, right? He was in, like, the green room. I'll just say he's one of the largest tight ends in terms of, like, like Tony Gonzalez, you know, we see him all the time here in a box. Daryl Waller is a large individual.

Like the idea of tackling that guy? He's running? Oh, my gosh. His tax situation and the weather situation is going to get far worse. Yes. But the Giants, for the Giants who don't really have any receiving options. In fact, the Giants today went and signed a free agent, Paris Campbell. Campbell from the Colts.

Who, just speed guy, but not much else. So I wasn't a huge fan. The Giants invested in a tight end who's been hurt a lot the last two years, and Paris Campbell, who's been hurt his entire career. Now, they also have a couple of – I do think the Giants have a couple of receivers I like, but they're more like three and four guys. They have arguably the weakest receiver core in the entire N. I'll challenge anyone on that.

Next up. The Warriors. Hey, they were here in L.A. last night, Battle the Clippers. I thought about going to the game, Colin, but I was like – Curry was amazing. Curry was, whatever adjectives better than amazing. He had 50, 50 points last night. Unbelievable.

But they can't defend now. There's no Andrew Wiggins, so they're just not the same defensive team. Andre Agudala, I think, broken, he's having surgery on a wrist. So they're missing two of their best defenders. I mean, they really have nothing on the wing. So Kauai 8, Paul George is going to kill them in the playoffs. I'm getting close to coming off the Warriors coming out of us. I'm the same way, is that when I was told a couple days ago, it's not certain,

but Andrew Wiggins is going through a really, really bad, bad personal situation with his family. So it's nobody should, it's nobody's business. But there are a lot of people that believe there is, it's a better than 50% chance he will not return.

And he shouldn't. If he's got a situation at home, he shouldn't. And I don't care what it is. I'm not going to pry. I was told though there, there is kind of a feeling they may not get him back. They're not winning a championship without him. How good.

was Andrew Wiggins last year. There were multiple games. He was MVP consideration in the finals. He was in the next, and then Curry took over. I mean, he is essential against the Celtics of the Clippers. He becomes almost as important as Steph Curry because he's got to defend Kauai, Paul, Georgia, Tatum, or against Dallas Aluca.

So Wiggins is a, and he's a high-functioning, smart, twitchy, athletic wing, who also can drop 28 on any night. Now, looking for a silver lining for Golden State. they're currently the sixth seat. They would play the Sacramento Kings who don't have a wing. You've got to worry about it. It's the Deeran Fox Sabona's show.

I mean, Kegan Murray's very good, but you're not worrying about him. They need to get that six seat because I don't like their chances against Memphis without Wiggins. I don't like their chances against Denver at all if they should fall further. I like the Warriors. So this is a major bummer for me. Final story calling LeBron James. How about LeBron? They need him back badly.

They're currently the 10th seed, but, as I'm like, we've been saying this for three months. They're only two and a half games back of the sixth. The athletics, Johann Buba, Buha, had the latest on LeBron's potential return saying it's sounding like if he does return, it's probably going to be the last week or so of the regular season. A couple of notable developments, he returned to the team without a walking boot over the weekend. In between quarters, he's driveling the ball and shooting layups. He's ahead of schedule.

The plan is to reevaluate him next week, which will be about three and a half weeks since the injury. Anthony Davis don't want to play. LeBron coming back. Where are you on the Lakers? This is what they are. They keep showing us what they are, which is LeBron's going to play 50 games, AD's going to play 47,

and we're going to sit AD out, even on 90s pain free. So they're showing us what they are. You can make up in your mind that there's something else, but that's what the franchise is now saying. We didn't really go back and forth on Anthony Davis. Did they sit him last night

because they thought the Lakers without LeBron's. Ron and AD could beat the Rockets? When they play really bad teams, O. Casey, or Houston, the feeling is the analytic team, the data team is like, he's pain-free, but we're worried about stress fractures, so we're going to sit him, give him extra rest. That's kind of what they're doing now. And they couldn't beat Houston last night. Well, what do you expect when Jared Vanderbilt and Troy Brown are in the lineup?

Anthony Davis, they sit in back-to-backs. And so the Rockets, an atrocious offensive team, scored 78 points in the paint. And they had 62, I think, it has. I know a lot of people are excited about DeAngelo Russell. Did they watch him playing defense? No, DeAngel. There's a reason DeAngelo Russell went to the Warriors, and they got rid of him fast. He's been on, like, multiple teams in the last few years.

Talented, but not a guy you're going to build around. There's a chance I play as good defense as DeAngelo Russell. I'm not even making that up. He's just not a good defender. He doesn't care. Yeah, yeah. And that's why Minnesota moved off him and got Mike Conley, somebody who could work with Rudy Gobert, high-functioning player. Anthony Edwards, yes.

Russell and... The word I've heard with DeAngelo Russell, talented but a little squirley. And those kind of guys, go look at who works with the Warriors. Iggy K.D. Wiggins, what do they do? They're willing defenders. So it's not about points. They don't need more points. What works with the current dynasty in the NBA is you've got to be a willing defender.

DeAngelo Russell isn't, Warriors got him and bailed on fast. He's like aloof defensively. Not quite Russell Westbrook, aloof, or he's just losing. the defender bond. But like, I don't, I don't see. Russell wants a big payday this off season. He's not good. Well, he will.

There's always a team that. I mean, you know, this is the NBA. Dude, you don't think somebody will pay for DeAngelo. It's a talent league. He's got talent. If you have talent, how many deals did Westbrook get? I mean, good God. It's like John Wall, the Clippers gave John Wall a deal, begged it, played him in the back end of the

off the bench. And Walt didn't even make it the full season. Like they dumped it. In this league, if you have talent, you'll always get a contract. And Russell's still young. That's a crazy part. He's in his mid-20s. AD just turned 30.

They're already doing like no back-to-backs. He's 30, not 38? J-Mack with the news. Well, that's the news. And thanks for stopping by. The herd lie news. Listen, I know a lot of you young people, that's not fair to say Aaron has to be married. You're not the quarterback for the Packers.

if you are a franchise star, a star, you got to have people around you that keep you straight. Okay. And you got to have like friends that are not yes, man. You got to have people that push back that you don't ghost when they tell you something you don't want to hear. And my take on Aaron is he doesn't have a lot of those people. Aaron, you got to tell Aaron that he's smart and he's the man and he's the guy. he doesn't have a lot of pushback people in his life. And that's when it's, I mean, it's the fact that Aaron was surprised that Green Bay moved off him when he held him in limbo for eight weeks for the second or third straight year.

What? You don't have to be happy. But the fact that he was surprised, the hell you're talking about. Can't be surprised. Now, you may be ticked off. That's a different emotion. You may be disappointed. That's a different emotion.

But his words, I was kind of surprised they made a move. Okay, dude, you were 90% into retirement going into it. And I am assuming Green Bay knew you had a heavy lean in retirement because I don't think you're a bad guy. You weren't going to catch them totally off guard. I don't believe Aaron's a bad guy. So I think Green Bay knew retirement was absolutely on the table. Aaron wasn't going to come out of that thing and say, I'm done.

That would not be a cool thing to do. to anybody in your life, a friend, an ally, a wife, a husband, a boss. That's not a cool thing to do. I'm retiring. What? So what's amazing is Aaron's watched Jordan Love in the building, has quoted, has said he's really good, knows how flaky his division is, kept the team in limbo for nine weeks after holding him in limbo last year, goes on a quirky retreat, which is, I guess shouldn't say.

It is what it is. Comes out, still doesn't have an answer, right? and is surprised, the Green Bay is like, yeah, we're going to go with the kid. Be mad, I get it. Be surprised that you're a little self-centered. If you're caught off guard by that wacky development, you got to get out of your little tunnel.

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Each episode, we pick a here, unpack what went down, and try to make sense of how we survived it. Including a recent episode with Mark Lamont Hill, waxing all about crack in the 80s. To be clear, 84 is big to me, not just because of crack. I'm down to talk about crack on day But just so y'all know I mean at this point Mark this is the second episode where we've discussed crack

So I'm starting to see There's a through line We also have AIDS on the table right now So Thank you finishing that sentence I don't think there's a more important year for black people Really?

Yeah for me it's one of the most important years For black people in American history Listen to look back at it On the IHeart Radio app Apple Podcasts Or wherever you get your podcasts By the way, I got asked about two days ago, somebody said, hey, where do this Jason McIntyre come from? And I got to explain this.

So years ago, it may be 15 years ago. I don't like talking about our show. I prefer we not. We just do our show. But a heads up for some of you because he's been here a few months, three or four months. There was a bunch of blogs. There's a million blogs. Most of them are just aggregators.

They don't break stories. They don't do anything. They're useless. They take my show, Stephen A. Smith, Skip Bayliss. They don't do actual content. They take ours, put it up. It gets clicks. That's why I'm all over these.

blogs. I get massive clicks. They don't do any of their own work. He had a blog and he actually broke stories. I didn't know who the hell he was. But I remember telling people when I was at ESPN, whoever runs that site's an actual storybreaker. That's a real employee, not some aggregator. And then we hit, you know, I broke his site or blew it up or so I forget what the heck happened. And anyway, then we met each other, blah, blah, blah, became friends. But to this day, you are a total grinder. You've got massive sources. And the rest of these blogs, they just take shows like Stephen A. Smith, me, Max Kellerman. They take our stuff, get clicks.

They have none of their own opinions. They don't break any news. They don't have any of their own content. I'm not interested. You had your own content. Very few of these, even political stuff. Like break stories, have content. Do your own work.

Then I respect you. So that's who this guy is. And we've been friends for years and he's built a really nice career, sold a company, blah, blah, blah. So that's two minutes of your life. You'll never get back. Can I clean up an inaccuracy? I haven't been in the show for three or four months.

I've been here eight months, Colin. I mean, goodness gracious August. And also, I was doing the site anonymously when you blew it up back in like 2007. And it's so funny. I'll never forget that day because I was working in a magazine in New York City doing the site anonymously. And NPR was emailing me saying, hey, would you come on the show and talk about your website getting blown up? By the way, who are you? And I was like, I'm sorry, I can't reveal my identity.

So Sports Illustrated eventually wrote about me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yada, yada. Yeah. So that's the whole thing. is that in this world, this sea of, you know, blogs that nobody breaks anything. Everybody's an expert, but it has no sources. You were the one guy.

I told ESPN bosses, hired that guy. That guy breaks stories. You were breaking stories about people I work with. I knew them and you broke stories. Yes. I did go in there and meet with a bunch of executives whack back in the day, but it's neither here. Water under the bridge. Yeah.

So there's this story. So today, the window opens today for the Ravens Lamar Jackson to contact other teams. So basically. What the Baltimore Ravens, a well-run organization, are saying is we don't think there's a big market for Lamar Jackson. We think we're offering him an often injured player who's very dynamic of fair contract. So they offered him something called a non-exclusive franchise tag. What is that? It's $32 million.

You can go to the market. If you get a better offer, we have a right in five days to match it. But we don't. We're going to give you this offer because this is why the chief signed Mahomes early. They didn't want him to go to market because they knew their. There'd be, if you have a great quarterback who plays every Sunday and is wildly productive, you don't want him to go to the market, right? You don't want anybody else to have an, you never want him to go to the market.

The Ravens are offering Lamar Jackson to the market. They're saying, all right, get a better offer. He's got three things working against him. His mom's his agent. It's not impossible, but it's unorthodox for a superstar American athlete. You call his mom? You call him. It's weird.

and some teams don't want to deal with that. The second thing is, he's got a lot of injuries at the end of the last two years. That's a problem. And number three is he's become kind of a noisy player. Is he mad? Is he sulking? Nobody really knows. There's a lot of question marks around him.

People don't like that. It's why Aaron Rogers doesn't have a big market. Is he committed? Is he going to play? There's a bunch of question marks. So the Ravens are saying, go to the market. I will say this. Atlanta makes so much sense to me.

So the NFC South is a as bad as it's ever been. It's the weakest division easily in football. It's not going to be weak forever. So when something is weak in any business that is infrequently weak, sees the moment. In any industry, if you're like, there's a weakness in the industry, that's the moment you capitalize, get aggressive. So he's a merchandise and a newsmaking superstar quarterback in a bad. division, he would be arguably the best quarterback in the entire conference that he signs. He's always been, look it up, more accurate than anybody wants to admit.

When anybody compares Justin Fields and Lamar, I'm always like, time out, time out, time out, time out. Lamar Jackson is a accurate throw with the football. I'm not saying he's Mahomes and Burrough. I'm not saying he's Brady and Jalen Hertz last year. I'm not saying that, but he's an accurate distributor of the football, more than accurate enough. So Atlanta started accumulating tight ends about a week ago, and my takeaway was, that's interesting. They also Atlanta has an advantage. They have an offensive coach.

So remember when Cam Newton went to Belichick defensive coach? They didn't know how to use him. Belichick didn't know how to use him. A lot of these defensive coaches, they just have no offensive sensibility. They don't know how to use him. If you got an offensive coach, you're going to have a better opportunity to figure out how to use Lamar, who's a very unique player. He is a great player. Mom being an agent doesn't help.

Injuries don't help. He's gotten noisy. A lot of mystery, that doesn't help. But if I was Baltimore, I would try to sign him. And if I was Atlanta, I would run to sign him. Bad division, offensive coat. They've already got really good tight ends and a star young receiver. And they're not paying a lot of skill players.

They're paying some people on the defensive line and a couple of people on the offensive line. But they're not paying a lot of their perimeter skill people. you got room to pay Lamar Jackson. I'll bring up the Colts again, Colin. They just hired a head coach in Shane Steichen, who's worked with Justin Herbert and more recently with Jalen Hertz,

a running quarterback. Also, Colts have the number four pick in the draft. That's got to be appealing to Baltimore, considering you need to replace a quarterback. You've got a chance to draft one very high at four. I think the Colts get in the discussion. It'll be interesting to see if it happens before the draft, or perhaps after the draft.

Maybe the Colts draft Stroud and package him. I don't know. I think the Colts are the one player out there in the AFC. Very interesting. I wouldn't let him go from Baltimore. He's good. Hour 3 next. Another podcast from some SNL late-night comedy guy, not quite.

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